From: "Rob Finch" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: 6502 core available Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:17:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.95.20.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1035166679 65.95.20.54 (Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:17:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:17:59 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22274 Hi, A 6502 compatible core is available at http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html Small and Fast. Rob ###### Message-ID: <3DB36D5E.6418@designtools.co.nz> From: Jim Granville Reply-To: jim.granville@designtools.co.nz Organization: Mandeno Granville elect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:58:38 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.79.102.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net X-Trace: news02.tsnz.net 1035169199 203.79.102.226 (Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:59:59 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:59:59 NZDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22262 Rob Finch wrote: > > Hi, > > A 6502 compatible core is available at > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html > Small and Fast. ? It might pay to put some numbers on 'Small' and 'Fast', as well as indicate candidate FPGAs it is tested on / optimised for ? -jg ###### From: "Rob Finch" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga References: <3DB36D5E.6418@designtools.co.nz> Subject: Re: 6502 core available Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:16:24 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.95.20.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1035184583 65.95.20.246 (Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:16:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:16:23 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22273 > It might pay to put some numbers on 'Small' and 'Fast', as > well as indicate candidate FPGAs it is tested on / optimised for ? > Documentation, documentation, grumble, grumble. People are always asking for more documentation.... (I'm incentive challenged). Small: I have built a real system in a SpartanII-5 200k part (the slowest speed grade) using Xilinx tools. The cpu core consumed less than 700 LUTs and no BRAM resources. The core size could also be trimmed further by not using high order address lines and uneeded control signals. This will easily fit into the smallest SpartanII part with loads of room to spare. I have built a complete system including cpu, video / audio controller, keyboard / mouse controller, timer, and uart in a 200k FPGA and I'm wondering what to do with the other half of the FPGA that's left over... Fast: I was able to get the cpu operating at 40MHz, which is almost identical to the performance predicted by PAR. Platform Independent: The core is not optimized for any FPGA in general although it was developed using an Xilinx part, and is plain Verilog code with no vendor specific enhancements. As such it should be portable to many implementations including ASIC I think (but I don't know enough). I also synthesized a version of the core using Altera's toolset. While I did not build an actual system (because I don't have an Altera development board) I got similar results. The tools predicted an clock frequency of 44MHz (slightly faster than Xilinx), and a size of about 1300 LCELLs ? (LUTs ?) I was unable to figure out why there was a significant difference in the number of LUTs for the Altera part, but maybe I was comparing apples to oranges. In any case I was not going to create a vendor specific core anyway. The core is also not floorplanned and was automatically placed and routed. I am hesitant to give out numbers because too often they are taken as absolutes. The size and performance of the core could vary significantly depending on the application. With a little bit of work, I could make the core either smaller or faster. Rob ###### From: "Speedy Zero Two" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:09:34 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.61.120 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1035230696 32342 217.134.61.120 (21 Oct 2002 20:04:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Oct 2002 20:04:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!opentransit.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22288 how do you mean available? no sign of anyway to download....or is it me? Dave "Rob Finch" wrote in message news:rtJs9.1762$Kf.256319@news20.bellglobal.com... > Hi, > > A 6502 compatible core is available at > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html > Small and Fast. > > Rob > > > > > ###### From: "Theron Hicks" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:39:43 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dfti.egr.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22287 I would guess available as in "for license" as in for commercial payment. Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? So... No it is not you, I read the posting and the newsgroup the same way as you did. BTW, a couple of years ago Green Mountain Computing offered a synthesizable 68HC11 core that was downloadable for free. I used this core for a class project for a grad couse in HW-SW codesign. I suppose that posting could have been considered as advertisement for Green Mountain but at least the core was free (even if it targeted their software for simulation, etc.) Just my opinion, Theron Hicks "Speedy Zero Two" wrote in message news:ap1ml8$vim$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > how do you mean available? > no sign of anyway to download....or is it me? > > Dave > > "Rob Finch" wrote in message > news:rtJs9.1762$Kf.256319@news20.bellglobal.com... > > Hi, > > > > A 6502 compatible core is available at > > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html > > Small and Fast. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "MikeJ" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga References: Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:16:04 +0100 Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: a31a36b413322322ce09e3615f6612e31433900222d9e500373357913db486e7 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:59:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1035241191.21317.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!iapetus.uk.clara.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22306 www.free-ip.com still has a 6502 core to download. Not tried it however. b.t.w I have verified the latest version of the t80 (z80) core at www.opencores.org to be absolutely cycle accurate - at least for all the code I have run on it so far - may have missed some though ;-) MikeJ "Theron Hicks" wrote in message news:ap1o65$2kff$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu... > I would guess available as in "for license" as in for commercial payment. > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? So... No it is not > you, I read the posting and the newsgroup the same way as you did. BTW, a > couple of years ago Green Mountain Computing offered a synthesizable 68HC11 > core that was downloadable for free. I used this core for a class project > for a grad couse in HW-SW codesign. I suppose that posting could have been > considered as advertisement for Green Mountain but at least the core was > free (even if it targeted their software for simulation, etc.) > Just my opinion, > Theron Hicks > > > "Speedy Zero Two" wrote in > message news:ap1ml8$vim$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > how do you mean available? > > no sign of anyway to download....or is it me? > > > > Dave > > > > "Rob Finch" wrote in message > > news:rtJs9.1762$Kf.256319@news20.bellglobal.com... > > > Hi, > > > > > > A 6502 compatible core is available at > > > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html > > > Small and Fast. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "Rob Finch" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga References: <1035241191.21317.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: 6502 core available Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:57:28 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.69.229.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1035251849 67.69.229.229 (Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:57:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:57:29 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22316 b.t.w I have verified the latest version of the t80 (z80) core at > www.opencores.org to be absolutely cycle accurate - at least for all the > code I have run on it so far - may have missed some though ;-) > Let's start a z80 vs 6502 war :) > > I would guess available as in "for license" as in for commercial payment. The core is available for free for individual use or evaluation purposes. Only commercial use requires a license. http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Projects/Prj6502/bc6502_page.html I assumed that people would be able to find this link, but maybe I need to organize my website a little better... > > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? So... No it is not Where do you find the rules of the newsgroup or any newsgroup ? Obviously, I should have put more detail in my original post. Rob ###### From: hmurray@suespammers.org (Hal Murray) Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:15:54 -0000 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: xrn 9.02 Sender: murray@glypnod (Hal Murray) References: X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!glypnod!hmurray Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22310 >Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? My opinion... This newsgroup is not a dumping ground for press releases. I like announcements, but only if... They are on topic. If you aren't sure it's on topic, then read the group for long enough to figure it out. They are short/crisp I should be able to figure out what you are saying (and if I want to read the rest of it) without scrolling. 10 or 20 lines. Give a URL for the long story. They are not too common/frequent This is a bit fuzzy. New product announcements are good because they are new. I'd get annoyed if every package and speed and size of a family were "announced" here, one at a time. Announcing yet another deadline-extended-to-submit-papers-for-XXXXX turns me off. I'd actually prefer to see comments from a regular poster telling me something about the conference rather than the typical conference announcement. I'd get annoyed if, say, opencores posted an "announcement" for every one line bug fix. A summary of changes every month or two would probably be interesting. The poster participates in the group, or at least sticks long enough to answer questions or see the flames. -- The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses. These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ###### From: "Gregory C. Read" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga References: <1035241191.21317.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: 6502 core available Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:43:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.158.46.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1035276199 141.158.46.145 (Tue, 22 Oct 2002 04:43:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 04:43:19 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!63.210.96.66.MISMATCH!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22313 I sure wish someone had a free (or cheap) 6809 core. -- Greg readgc.invalid@hotmail.com.invalid (Remove the '.invalid' twice to send Email) "MikeJ" wrote in message news:1035241191.21317.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net... > www.free-ip.com still has a 6502 core to download. > Not tried it however. > > b.t.w I have verified the latest version of the t80 (z80) core at > www.opencores.org to be absolutely cycle accurate - at least for all the > code I have run on it so far - may have missed some though ;-) > > MikeJ > > "Theron Hicks" wrote in message > news:ap1o65$2kff$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu... > > I would guess available as in "for license" as in for commercial payment. > > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? So... No it is not > > you, I read the posting and the newsgroup the same way as you did. BTW, a > > couple of years ago Green Mountain Computing offered a synthesizable > 68HC11 > > core that was downloadable for free. I used this core for a class project > > for a grad couse in HW-SW codesign. I suppose that posting could have > been > > considered as advertisement for Green Mountain but at least the core was > > free (even if it targeted their software for simulation, etc.) > > Just my opinion, > > Theron Hicks > > > > > > "Speedy Zero Two" wrote in > > message news:ap1ml8$vim$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > how do you mean available? > > > no sign of anyway to download....or is it me? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > "Rob Finch" wrote in message > > > news:rtJs9.1762$Kf.256319@news20.bellglobal.com... > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > A 6502 compatible core is available at > > > > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Cores/bc_6502.html > > > > Small and Fast. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### From: "David Betz" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga References: <1035241191.21317.0@iapetus.uk.clara.net> Subject: Re: 6502 core available Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_Tct9.57629$La5.186800@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.61.71.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1035295354 24.61.71.20 (Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:02:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:02:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:02:34 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!cyclone.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!wn12feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22408 If I click on the link: bc6502-base.v (Reference version) I get an error saying the URL does not exist. "Rob Finch" wrote in message news:dg2t9.2898$Kf.581559@news20.bellglobal.com... > b.t.w I have verified the latest version of the t80 (z80) core at > > www.opencores.org to be absolutely cycle accurate - at least for all the > > code I have run on it so far - may have missed some though ;-) > > > > Let's start a z80 vs 6502 war :) > > > > I would guess available as in "for license" as in for commercial > payment. > > The core is available for free for individual use or evaluation purposes. > Only commercial use requires a license. > http://www.birdcomputer.ca/Projects/Prj6502/bc6502_page.html > I assumed that people would be able to find this link, but maybe I need to > organize my website a little better... > > > > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? So... No it is not > > Where do you find the rules of the newsgroup or any newsgroup ? > > Obviously, I should have put more detail in my original post. > > Rob > > > ###### From: kolja@bnl.gov (Kolja Sulimma) Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: 22 Oct 2002 14:26:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <25c81abf.0210221326.692b47f4@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.246.77.46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1035322008 14282 127.0.0.1 (22 Oct 2002 21:26:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 2002 21:26:48 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22393 > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? You view this as a commercial advertisement allready? I always felt that one of the topics of this newsgroup is to discuss all the exciting new finished or planned designs of the groups contributors. When people start earning money with their projects, they should still be able to discuss them in this group. Take Ray Andraka for example, on of the most active contributors to this newsgroup: Whenever someone wants to know something about multipliers he posts a link to his homepage. The page about DSP in FPGA is extremly helpful. I learned a lot from it. And at the bottom of the page it says: "Call now to find out what Andraka Consulting Group can do for your DSP" Nothing wrong with that... Kolja Sulimma ###### From: "Theron Hicks" Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:04:31 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <25c81abf.0210221326.692b47f4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfti.egr.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22357 Kolja, I merely asked if Commercial Advertisements were allowed. In any case, the posting seemed to imply a free 6502 core. When I checked out the site, it appeared that this was a "for pay only" core. In addition, Ray's postings are in answer to a request for information. Also, the tag line at the end of his posts is equivalent to using company letter-head to answer a technical question. Frankly, the 6502 post did not bother me. I just asked the question about advertisements. It seems that I have really stirred up a hornets nest a couple of times lately. Sorry about that. Theron Hicks "Kolja Sulimma" wrote in message news:25c81abf.0210221326.692b47f4@posting.google.com... > > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? > > You view this as a commercial advertisement allready? > > I always felt that one of the topics of this newsgroup is to discuss > all the exciting new finished or planned designs of the groups > contributors. > > When people start earning money with their projects, they should still > be able to discuss them in this group. > > Take Ray Andraka for example, on of the most active contributors to > this newsgroup: Whenever someone wants to know something about > multipliers he posts a link to his homepage. The page about DSP in > FPGA is extremly helpful. I learned a lot from it. And at the bottom > of the page it says: "Call now to find out what Andraka Consulting > Group can do for your DSP" > > Nothing wrong with that... > > Kolja Sulimma ###### From: Peter Alfke Newsgroups: comp.arch.fpga Subject: Re: 6502 core available Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:23:20 -0700 Organization: Xilinx,Inc Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3DB5DDE9.38468CA9@xilinx.com> References: <25c81abf.0210221326.692b47f4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: peter.xilinx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: Theron Hicks Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.mailgate.org!enews.sgi.com!nntp.wetware.com!attdv1!ip.att.net!newsgate.xilinx.com!cliff.xsj.xilinx.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch comp.arch.fpga:22330 Peace, Shalom, Paix, Friede! IMHO commercialism is not the problem of this newsgroup. Even the guys who get a salary making FPGAs and boards (including yours truly) are usually sensitive and polite enough to avoid crass commercials. So let's not belabor a non-problem. Peter Alfke, Xilinx Theron Hicks wrote: > Kolja, > I merely asked if Commercial Advertisements were allowed. In any case, > the posting seemed to imply a free 6502 core. When I checked out the site, > it appeared that this was a "for pay only" core. In addition, Ray's > postings are in answer to a request for information. Also, the tag line at > the end of his posts is equivalent to using company letter-head to answer a > technical question. Frankly, the 6502 post did not bother me. I just asked > the question about advertisements. It seems that I have really stirred up a > hornets nest a couple of times lately. Sorry about that. > > Theron Hicks > > "Kolja Sulimma" wrote in message > news:25c81abf.0210221326.692b47f4@posting.google.com... > > > Does this newsgroup allow commercial advertisements? > > > > You view this as a commercial advertisement allready? > > > > I always felt that one of the topics of this newsgroup is to discuss > > all the exciting new finished or planned designs of the groups > > contributors. > > > > When people start earning money with their projects, they should still > > be able to discuss them in this group. > > > > Take Ray Andraka for example, on of the most active contributors to > > this newsgroup: Whenever someone wants to know something about > > multipliers he posts a link to his homepage. The page about DSP in > > FPGA is extremly helpful. I learned a lot from it. And at the bottom > > of the page it says: "Call now to find out what Andraka Consulting > > Group can do for your DSP" > > > > Nothing wrong with that... > > > > Kolja Sulimma