From: "Calvin Miracle" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Commercial software for emulated systems? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:19:03 -0400 Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ulpadesk.ekstrom.louisville.edu X-Trace: news.louisville.edu 1027113550 70128 136.165.113.105 (19 Jul 2002 21:19:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.louisville.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2002 21:19:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.utk.edu!news.uky.edu!news.louisville.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11650 Hello all... What would be our chances of soliciting companies for old commercial software for the emulated systems? Ask them to share the land, put obsolete executables into the public domain, as-is w/o support? For example: Minitab surely had an implementation for Tops-10. I do remember a version of Macsyma for Tops-10. Some of you may remember other products. Just curious... It's not something I'd want to jump into w/o an opinion from some of the old-timers here... -- Calvin Miracle UofL Libraries ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Commercial software for emulated systems? Date: 20 Jul 2002 23:26:27 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6u3cueay64.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1027200387 325 10.0.3.2 (20 Jul 2002 21:26:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 21:26:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11655 "Calvin Miracle" writes: > What would be our chances of soliciting companies for old commercial > software for the emulated systems? Ask them to share the land, put > obsolete executables into the public domain, as-is w/o support? _Very_ variable. You will find anything from absolute "no" upto emphatic "yes". DEC has blazed an path, sort of, by giving out the 36bitsoftwar and manuals, nut for non-commercial use only (they have not made them public domain). It depends entirely on which company. Or even on which person in the company you manage to find and ask. Including if that person fears making an mistake. Unfortunately you (and all the rest of us) have no possibility of estimating what any random firm will do. So the only way to find out is to try and find the right person (that is the difficult part) and then ask them. > Just curious... It's not something I'd want to jump into w/o an opinion > from > some of the old-timers here... You can only try. Anyone else can also only try. 100% crucial thing is finding the right person, who does not fear mistakes. And that about an software package that the firm may not even remember making, and no one knows what value it still may have (or not have). That is the important bit. After all someone is asking about it, but the sales volume this suggests may be too low to bother. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Roleplayer - Make your code truely free: put it into the public domain ###### Reply-To: "Henry Miller" From: "Henry Miller" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <6u3cueay64.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: Commercial software for emulated systems? Lines: 54 Organization: What? You mean someone organized this? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:58:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.77.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027238281 12.81.77.25 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:58:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:58:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11656 "Neil Franklin" wrote in message news:6u3cueay64.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch... > "Calvin Miracle" writes: > > > What would be our chances of soliciting companies for old commercial > > software for the emulated systems? Ask them to share the land, put > > obsolete executables into the public domain, as-is w/o support? > > _Very_ variable. > > You will find anything from absolute "no" upto emphatic "yes". DEC has > blazed an path, sort of, by giving out the 36bitsoftwar and manuals, > nut for non-commercial use only (they have not made them public domain). > > It depends entirely on which company. Or even on which person in the > company you manage to find and ask. Including if that person fears > making an mistake. > > Unfortunately you (and all the rest of us) have no possibility of > estimating what any random firm will do. So the only way to find out > is to try and find the right person (that is the difficult part) and > then ask them. > > Might I suggest contacting Hunter Goatley and find out what strategy he used to make DEC release Bliss-32 to the public? > > Just curious... It's not something I'd want to jump into w/o an opinion > > from > > some of the old-timers here... > > You can only try. Anyone else can also only try. > > 100% crucial thing is finding the right person, who does not fear > mistakes. And that about an software package that the firm may not > even remember making, and no one knows what value it still may have > (or not have). That is the important bit. > > After all someone is asking about it, but the sales volume this > suggests may be too low to bother. > > > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Roleplayer > - Make your code truely free: put it into the public domain -HWM