From: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org>
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Subject: Instruction pronunciation
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Since PDP-10ese is entirely a written language for me, it was a
surprise to learn that JRST is pronounced (at least by some people) as
"jerst".

Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down e):

AOS     aws, ay-os
BLT     B-L-T, bl*t, belt
PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
DPB     d*-pib'
EXCH    eks'ch*, eksch
JFCL    jif'kl, jaf'kl, j*-fi'kl
JRST    jerst
LDB     l*'d*b
POP     pop
POPJ    pop-jay
PUSH    push
PUSHJ   push-jay

Any additions or corrections to this list?  When there are multiple
variations, which is the preferred one?

-- 
Lars Brinkhoff          http://lars.nocrew.org/     Linux, GCC, PDP-10,
Brinkhoff Consulting    http://www.brinkhoff.se/    HTTP programming

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In article <853cvlq637.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>,
   Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> wrote:
>Since PDP-10ese is entirely a written language for me, it was a
>surprise to learn that JRST is pronounced (at least by some people) as
>"jerst".
>
>Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down e):
>
>AOS     aws, ay-os

I pronounced this as house without the h.  I guess that's the aws
you have.

>BLT     B-L-T, bl*t, belt

Blit

>PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l

pid'l.

>DPB     d*-pib'

I always said deposit byte.
<snip>

>Any additions or corrections to this list?  When there are multiple
>variations, which is the preferred one?

One of my jobs was to read the MCOs at the monitor meeting.  (We
reviewed all of them before the edit was done on Tuesday.)  
Quite a bit of the text was our jargon which I pronounced as
it was written (rather than translating into English).  There
were some that I couldn't figure out.  I always suspected that,
if I knew Polish or one of those languages that seem to be able
to spell with lots and lots of concatenated consonants, I'd have
been able to pronounce all of it.

/BAH

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In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
   Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
>
> Lars> Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down e):
>
> Lars> AOS     aws, ay-os
>
>And all its friends ay-os-gee ay-osl ay-os-guh ..  Likewise sauce ,

Nah, souse.

> .. cam ,
>kale (SOS CAM CAIL)...

I pronounced CAIL as Kyle (long i).
>
> Lars> BLT     B-L-T, bl*t, belt
>

> Lars> JFCL    jif'kl, jaf'kl, j*-fi'kl
>
>j*-fi'kl though I've also heard/used jif'klee

?Illegal instruction at PC 000000


>The test instructions were a bit hard, but the macros were clearly like
>tixnee (TXNE).

HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.  I'm finding it difficult to 
spell these.


>
> Lars> When there are multiple variations, which is the preferred one?
>
>Probably part of the TOPS-10 - TOPS-20 wars :-)

<grin>  One would think we'ld fight about that, too.  But I
don't remember any blood shed over it.  Of course, I might
have missed that fight.  :-)  Newbies learned the
correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
and be understood.

/BAH

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In article <u7kkv91p6.fsf@grant.org>,
   cstacy@grant.org (Christopher C. Stacy) wrote:
>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2002 13:15:56 -1000, Jim Thomas ("Jim") writes:
> Jim> The test instructions were a bit hard, but the macros were
> Jim> clearly like tixnee (TXNE).
>
>And don't forget "TRON", just like it's spelled 
>(and pronounced in the movie).

I don't think I ever said that one.  If I didn't write it, I
didn't speak it.

/BAH


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From: jmfbahciv@aol.com
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In article <853cvj33j5.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>,
   Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> wrote:
>jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
>> HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.  I'm finding it difficult to spell
>> these.
>
>Then wouldn't HRR be "her"?

But nobody would say it.  It's a NOOP that wasn't used as a 
NOOP.  JFCL was our NOOP of choice.  NOOP pronounce NO-OP.

/BAH


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From: Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>
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>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:

 Lars> Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down e):

 Lars> AOS     aws, ay-os

And all its friends ay-os-gee ay-osl ay-os-guh ..  Likewise sauce , cam ,
kale (SOS CAM CAIL)...

 Lars> BLT     B-L-T, bl*t, belt

As BAH said, definitely blit.

 Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l

pid'l

 Lars> JFCL    jif'kl, jaf'kl, j*-fi'kl

j*-fi'kl though I've also heard/used jif'klee

 Lars> JRST    jerst

I'd always envisioned this as jurst :-)

 Lars> Any additions or corrections to this list?

The test instructions were a bit hard, but the macros were clearly like
tixnee (TXNE).

 Lars> When there are multiple variations, which is the preferred one?

Probably part of the TOPS-10 - TOPS-20 wars :-)

Nothead

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>>>>> On 18 Jun 2002 13:15:56 -1000, Jim Thomas ("Jim") writes:
 Jim> The test instructions were a bit hard, but the macros were
 Jim> clearly like tixnee (TXNE).

And don't forget "TRON", just like it's spelled (and pronounced in the movie).

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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:aen24k$3d$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> In article <853cvlq637.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>,
>    Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> wrote:
> >Since PDP-10ese is entirely a written language for me, it was a
> >surprise to learn that JRST is pronounced (at least by some people)
as
> >"jerst".
> >

    Rhymes with "first", FYI.

> >Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down e):
> >
> >AOS     aws, ay-os
>
[snip]

-HWM

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jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:
> HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.  I'm finding it difficult to spell
> these.

Then wouldn't HRR be "her"?

-- 
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In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
>
>pid'l

I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing the
line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
the adventure programming language...

Google doesn't have it anywhere. Anyone have a copy?

-- 
Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?

"Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

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In article <uk7ov6wr7.fsf@grant.org>,
   cstacy@grant.org (Christopher C. Stacy) wrote:
> BAH>>> HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.
>
> Lars>> Then wouldn't HRR be "her"?
>
> jmfbahciv> But nobody would say it.  It's a NOOP that wasn't used as a 
> jmfbahciv> NOOP.  JFCL was our NOOP of choice.  NOOP pronounce NO-OP.
>
>Huh?  HRR is not a noop - it is used all the time!

Now you know why I didn't consider myself to be a good programmer :-).
What would a HRR do?  Translated into English it would a half word
right to right with no modification move from AC0 to AC0?

Wait.  Let's back just a tad and define NOOP.  A NOOP was an 
instruction which, when executed, caused no changes in all
of address space (this includes ACs).  Right?
>
>Also, I pronounce HRRZ as "her-rizz", HRRZI is "her-rizz-eye"),
>and HRR I usually spell out loud as "H-R-R" for emphasis.

Oh, no.  HRRZI is pronounced hurzey.  Peter Hurley also had
an instruction (HRLI).
>
>For noops ("no ops"), we either used JFCL, or 
>defined a macro called NOP which was might be conditional 
>on the CPU type (for example, TRN on the KL).

Wasn't TRN a dangerous one to use?  (Or am I misremembering
a conversation that happened _once_ a long time ago.)
>
> Chris>> And don't forget "TRON", just like it's spelled 
> Chris>> (and pronounced in the movie).
>
> jmfbahciv> I don't think I ever said that one. 
> jmfbahciv>  If I didn't write it, I didn't speak it.
>
>A typical use for TRON would be to set a flag and then 
>do something if it was not already set:
>
>        HRR F,STATUS            ;Don't bash main loop control in LH.
>        TRON F,%BAHLUZ          ;Note that BAH's memory is broken.

ROTFLMAO.

>         PUSHJ P,INIBAH         ; Maybe try resetting it again.

Will you ship me that INIBAH routine?  I need it bad.

/BAH

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In article <rjf1hu087i0jr1ha87te2p05bp062l44dj@4ax.com>,
   John Everett <jeverett3@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>Newbies learned the
>>correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
>>and be understood.
>
>Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
>there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
>various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
>jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in
>"pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)

Yea.  You did talk with a strange accent ;-).  Those two were 
common.  I once wanted to do a study (it must have been a slow
day that year) to figure out if I could tell what part of the
country people came from by their use of jif-ick-le.
>
>I just noticed that no one has mentioned JFFO, but then that's
>obvious.

Now that tickled a bit in my memory.  I think some guy got
hired who had a very strange pronunciation of that one (it
may have been another).  Bottom line was nobody knew
what he was talking about until they looked at his code.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

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 BAH>>> HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.

 Lars>> Then wouldn't HRR be "her"?

 jmfbahciv> But nobody would say it.  It's a NOOP that wasn't used as a 
 jmfbahciv> NOOP.  JFCL was our NOOP of choice.  NOOP pronounce NO-OP.

Huh?  HRR is not a noop - it is used all the time!

Also, I pronounce HRRZ as "her-rizz", HRRZI is "her-rizz-eye"),
and HRR I usually spell out loud as "H-R-R" for emphasis.

For noops ("no ops"), we either used JFCL, or defined a macro called NOP 
which was might be conditional on the CPU type (for example, TRN on the KL).

 Chris>> And don't forget "TRON", just like it's spelled 
 Chris>> (and pronounced in the movie).

 jmfbahciv> I don't think I ever said that one. 
 jmfbahciv>  If I didn't write it, I didn't speak it.

A typical use for TRON would be to set a flag and then 
do something if it was not already set:

        HRR F,STATUS            ;Don't bash main loop control in LH.
        TRON F,%BAHLUZ          ;Note that BAH's memory is broken.
         PUSHJ P,INIBAH         ; Maybe try resetting it again.

Chris

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On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:


>Newbies learned the
>correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
>and be understood.

Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in
"pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)

I just noticed that no one has mentioned JFFO, but then that's
obvious.


jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net   http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

######

From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <rjf1hu087i0jr1ha87te2p05bp062l44dj@4ax.com>,
John Everett  <jeverett3@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
: On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
: >Newbies learned the
: >correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
: >and be understood.
: 
: Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
: there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
: various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
: jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in 
: "pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)
: 
My favorite was HRROI, which sounds like an Anglo-Saxon (language of
Beowulf) war cry, very fierce.

PDP-10s (or at least big KLs) used to come with an on-site SE, which 
is how the practice of pronouncing instructions spread.  Prior to the
arrival of our first one, most of our assembly language programming was
on the IBM 360, but nobody ever thought to pronounce the IBM opcodes.
Suddenly we were pronouncing all of them.  We were even pronouncing
"IBM" :-)

- Frank

######

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On 19 Jun 2002, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> Suddenly we were pronouncing all of them.  We were even pronouncing
> "IBM" :-)

i-bim ("i" pronounced as in "bit")

Also "International Big Mother"

You must know the IBM term "hexadecimal": the act of placing a curse on
the PDP-10.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:aepphp$r77$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
>    Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
> >
> > Lars> Here are some entries from the jargon file (* = upside-down
e):
> >
> > Lars> AOS     aws, ay-os
> >
> >And all its friends ay-os-gee ay-osl ay-os-guh ..  Likewise sauce ,
>
> Nah, souse.
>
> > .. cam ,
> >kale (SOS CAM CAIL)...
>
> I pronounced CAIL as Kyle (long i).
> >
> > Lars> BLT     B-L-T, bl*t, belt
> >
>
> > Lars> JFCL    jif'kl, jaf'kl, j*-fi'kl
> >
> >j*-fi'kl though I've also heard/used jif'klee
>
> ?Illegal instruction at PC 000000
>
>
> >The test instructions were a bit hard, but the macros were clearly
like
> >tixnee (TXNE).
>
> HRRZ was hers; HRRZI was herzy.  I'm finding it difficult to
> spell these.
>
>

    And of course HRRI was "hurry"...

> >
> > Lars> When there are multiple variations, which is the preferred
one?
> >
> >Probably part of the TOPS-10 - TOPS-20 wars :-)
>
> <grin>  One would think we'ld fight about that, too.  But I
> don't remember any blood shed over it.  Of course, I might
> have missed that fight.  :-)  Newbies learned the
> correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
> and be understood.
>
> /BAH
>
> Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

-HWM

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"John Everett" <jeverett3@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote in
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> On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> >Newbies learned the
> >correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
> >and be understood.
>
> Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
> there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
> various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
> jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in
> "pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)
>
> I just noticed that no one has mentioned JFFO, but then that's
> obvious.
>

    But I'll do it, for completeness:  "jiffo".

>
> jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net   http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

-HWM

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"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
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> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
> >
> >pid'l
>
> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing the
> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
> the adventure programming language...
>

    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".

> Google doesn't have it anywhere. Anyone have a copy?
>
> --
> Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.                                  WWFD?
>
> "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
> -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

-HWM

######

From: "Edward C. Bailey" <ed@redhat.com>
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Although the actual instruction sequence (not to mention its purpose)
escapes me after 20+ years, I do recall a three-instruction sequence
pronounced "tricky/tricky/trace"...

                            Ed
-- 
Ed Bailey        Red Hat, Inc.          http://www.redhat.com/

######

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In article <aetr8f$156j$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>,
   peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:
>In article <CHcQ8.51676$UT.3483975@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
>>"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
>>news:aeq1lf$28ei$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
>>> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
>>> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>>> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
>>> >
>>> >pid'l
>
>>> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing the
>>> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
>>> the adventure programming language...
>
>>    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".
>
>Which makes it a bit rude, doesn't it, if the vowel sounds are transposed?

In all transpositions.  That's what makes the line very funny. :-)

>
>Nobody remembers this one?

Vaguely.  At work, we never muddled our puddles or piddled our
middles.  We often got other nether regions in curious positions.

>
>(google keeps trying to 'correct' PDL to PDF ... I really hate that auto
> correct function...)

I've always distrusted auto-anything.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

######

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In article <lfy9d9sn57.fsf@pigdog.rdu.redhat.com>,
   "Edward C. Bailey" <ed@redhat.com> wrote:
>Although the actual instruction sequence (not to mention its purpose)
>escapes me after 20+ years, I do recall a three-instruction sequence
>pronounced "tricky/tricky/trace"...

The first two have to be TRCE (Test ac Right with e Complement
masked bits and skip if all masked bits Equal 0).
I'm not sure about the trace part.  Probably just a TRC which
doesn't skip but does the complement.

/BAH

>
>                            Ed

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

######

From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
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In article <CHcQ8.51676$UT.3483975@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
>"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
>news:aeq1lf$28ei$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
>> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
>> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
>> >
>> >pid'l

>> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing the
>> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
>> the adventure programming language...

>    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".

Which makes it a bit rude, doesn't it, if the vowel sounds are transposed?

Nobody remembers this one?

(google keeps trying to 'correct' PDL to PDF ... I really hate that auto
 correct function...)

-- 
Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?

"Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

######

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"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
news:aetr8f$156j$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
> In article
<CHcQ8.51676$UT.3483975@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
> >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
> >news:aeq1lf$28ei$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
> >> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
> >> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> >> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
> >> >
> >> >pid'l
>
> >> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing
the
> >> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
> >> the adventure programming language...
>
> >    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".
>
> Which makes it a bit rude, doesn't it, if the vowel sounds are
transposed?
>
> Nobody remembers this one?
>
> (google keeps trying to 'correct' PDL to PDF ... I really hate that
auto
>  correct function...)
>

    Thus the need for "DWIM". ("Do What I Meant").

> --
> Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.                                  WWFD?
>
> "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
> -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

-HWM

######

From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
> >"tricky/tricky/trace"...
> The first two have to be TRCE (Test ac Right with e Complement
> masked bits and skip if all masked bits Equal 0).
> I'm not sure about the trace part.  Probably just a TRC which
> doesn't skip but does the complement.

The proper pronunciation is "tricky-tricky-trick":
	TRCE AC,mask
	 TRCE AC,mask
	  TRC AC,mask
which, for mask with any two bits sets (not necessary contiguous), will
swap the settings of those bits in the AC.

However, you can be "tricky-tricky-tricky":
	TRCE AC,mask
	 TRCE AC,mask
	  TRCE AC,mask
and achieve the same effect.  Stew Nelson is credited for discovering that
the third TRCE can never skip.

In assembly language, this would be written as something like:
REPEAT 3,<TRCE T1,BUSY!DONE>	; swap setting of busy and done bits

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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In article <oeHQ8.53799$UT.3641408@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
>
>"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
>news:aetr8f$156j$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
>> In article
><CHcQ8.51676$UT.3483975@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
>> >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
>> >news:aeq1lf$28ei$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
>> >> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
>> >> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>> >> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
>> >> >
>> >> >pid'l
>>
>> >> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing
>the
>> >> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of course,
>> >> the adventure programming language...
>>
>> >    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".
>>
>> Which makes it a bit rude, doesn't it, if the vowel sounds are
>transposed?
>>
>> Nobody remembers this one?
>>
>> (google keeps trying to 'correct' PDL to PDF ... I really hate that
>auto
>>  correct function...)
>>
>
>    Thus the need for "DWIM". ("Do What I Meant").

In computer science, "ROM" does *not* stand for "<r>ead <o>perator's <m>ind"!

######

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According to John Everett  <jeverett3@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net>:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>Newbies learned the
>>correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
>>and be understood.
>
>Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
>there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
>various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
>jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in
>"pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)

Also the ever-present HRROI, pronounced as a "hooray". Leading to code
comments like

	HRROI	5,11	; hooray for Guy Fawkes

Also, I distinctly remember that whenever some PDP10-programmers from
different environments and/or cultures met there were always some session
about "how do you pronounce". (Oh, wow, a recursive happening).

-- Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no>

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"Morten Reistad" <mrr@acer.reistad.priv.no> wrote in message
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>
> According to John Everett  <jeverett3@earthlink.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net>:
> >On Wed, 19 Jun 02 07:45:54 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Newbies learned the
> >>correct pronunciation real fast if they wanted to say something
> >>and be understood.
> >
> >Although it must be said that even among the PDP-10 Monitor Group
> >there wasn't always total agreement about the pronunciations of the
> >various instructions. For example, JFCL was sometime pronounced
> >jif-cle ("cle" as in "uncle") and sometimes jif-ickle ("ickle" as in
> >"pickle"). I for one was firmly in the jif-ickle camp.  :-)
>
> Also the ever-present HRROI, pronounced as a "hooray". Leading to code
> comments like
>
> HRROI 5,11 ; hooray for Guy Fawkes
>

    I've always pronounced, and heard it pronounced, "her-roy".  (For
being
an English minor, I've always been lousy at phoenetics...)

> Also, I distinctly remember that whenever some PDP10-programmers from
> different environments and/or cultures met there were always some
session
> about "how do you pronounce". (Oh, wow, a recursive happening).
>
> -- Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no>

-HWM

######

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<robert@bonomi.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article
<oeHQ8.53799$UT.3641408@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
> >news:aetr8f$156j$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
> >> In article
> ><CHcQ8.51676$UT.3483975@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> >> Henry Miller <henry.miller@att.net> wrote:
> >> >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:aeq1lf$28ei$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...
> >> >> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
> >> >> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> >> >> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
> >> >> >
> >> >> >pid'l
> >>
> >> >> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago,
containing
> >the
> >> >> line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of
course,
> >> >> the adventure programming language...
> >>
> >> >    I thought "MDL" in that context was pronounced "muddle".
> >>
> >> Which makes it a bit rude, doesn't it, if the vowel sounds are
> >transposed?
> >>
> >> Nobody remembers this one?
> >>
> >> (google keeps trying to 'correct' PDL to PDF ... I really hate that
> >auto
> >>  correct function...)
> >>
> >
> >    Thus the need for "DWIM". ("Do What I Meant").
>
> In computer science, "ROM" does *not* stand for "<r>ead <o>perator's
<m>ind"!

    Instead we have LSO - (Loop and Shoot Operator - an operation that a
former boss of mine declared as a waste of bullets...)

-HWM

######

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peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> In article <wwn0tsmb4j.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>,
> Jim Thomas  <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> > Lars> PDL     P-D-L, pid'l, p*d'l, puhd'l
>
> >pid'l
 
> I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing
> the line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of
> course, the adventure programming language...
 
> Google doesn't have it anywhere. Anyone have a copy?

`Alice's Dec-10' isn't it? If it is I have a copy *somewhere* in the
wreckage...

-- 
Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,
+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.
                                             West Australia 6076
Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.

######

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Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:

> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
> > I remember a filk, must have been almost 20 years ago, containing
> > the line "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL". MDL was, of
> > course, the adventure programming language...
>
> > Google doesn't have it anywhere. Anyone have a copy?

Hmm, theye are usually good at finding my site.


> `Alice's Dec-10' isn't it? If it is I have a copy *somewhere* in the
> wreckage...

I have a copy at:

http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Alices_PDP-10


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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
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In article <87wusqhrr9.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>,
Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:
>`Alice's Dec-10' isn't it? If it is I have a copy *somewhere* in the
>wreckage...

That's a saga, not a filk, and it's not in there...

http://mushi.taronga.com/alice.pdp10

-- 
Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?

"Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

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In article <6uhejtn7m5.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>,
Neil Franklin  <neil@franklin.ch.remove> wrote:
>http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Alices_PDP-10

Which doesn't include anything like "he stepped in a PDL right up to his MDL".

Anyway, my copy starts off:

                <<< YOGI::RTG$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SOAPBOX.NOTE;1 >>>
================================================================================
Note 182.12              27 8x10 Color Glossy Pictures                  12 of 18
VAXUUM::DYER                                        256 lines  27-NOV-1985 06:06
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yours passed through other hands:

|(This is available for anonymous ftp, along with "Mel and the Drum
|Memory", "Alice's AI Lab", "Atlas' HDA", and the Jargon file, on
|pit-manager.mit.edu (18.72.1.58), in /ftp/pub/humor.
|
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|MIT Project Athena				11 Ashford Terrace
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|Office: 617-253-8495			      Home: 

The two versions have different chunks of TECO:

! [1:i*^Yu14<q1&377.f"nir'q1/400.u1>[8
! .-z(1702117120m81869946983m8w660873337m8w1466458484m8
! )+z,.f^@fx*[0:ft^]0w^\

versus

! (675041640744.f6w007141004745.f6w643700000000.f6),.fx*[0@ft^]0$w^\

And:

! (675041640067.f6w416300715765.f6w004445675045.f6
!   455445440046.f6w576200535144.f6w370000000000.f6
! ),.fx*[0@ft^]0$w^\

versus

! [1:i*^Yu16<q1&77.+32iq1f"l#-1/100.#-1&7777777777.'"#/100.'u1r>6c[6
! .(675041640067.m6w416300715765.m6w004445675045.m6
! 455445440046.m6w576200535144.m6w370000000000.m6),.fx*[0:ft^]0w^\

And the following paragraph is slightly different:

And I said "Littering".  And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, with the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty ugly stuff
until I said "and making undocumented [gratuitous] changes to the
default EMACS key bindings".  And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench talking about Chaosnet hacking
and Lisp interpreters written in TECO, and everything was fine.  And
we were eating Peking ravs and smoking all kinds of things until the
guy from DDC came over, had some paper in his hand, said:

My copy doesn't have "gratuitous" in there.

(I wonder how you could tell a gratuitous change from a non-gratuitous
 one... apparently I'm not the only one... :) )

-- 
Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?

"Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept"
	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)

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Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

>On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>> >"tricky/tricky/trace"...
>> The first two have to be TRCE (Test ac Right with e Complement
>> masked bits and skip if all masked bits Equal 0).
>> I'm not sure about the trace part.  Probably just a TRC which
>> doesn't skip but does the complement.

>The proper pronunciation is "tricky-tricky-trick":
>	TRCE AC,mask
...

Of course, in November, I called turkey.  :-)

	-Ric Werme
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