From: J Ahlstrom Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: [Fwd: TECO etc] Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:00:26 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <3CF7E46A.9C11348@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-5!unknown@dhcp-171-69-75-4.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!eusc.inter.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11465 Jsmcalpine1@aol.com wrote: > Wow. PDP-1 is going back a way. I see from the referenced paper > that with the PDP-6 we are back to 1964. When did TECO for the > PDP-1 hit the street? -- Reality? I have no need of that hypothesis. after Lagrange ###### From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: [Fwd: TECO etc] Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:20:43 -0700 Organization: Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3CF7E46A.9C11348@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva1.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 1022890845 27732 (None) 140.142.17.39 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <3CF7E46A.9C11348@cisco.com> Content-Length: 314159 (believe this at your own risk) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!140.142.17.34.MISMATCH!news.u.washington.edu!shiva1.cac.washington.edu!mrc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11459 On Fri, 31 May 2002, J Ahlstrom wrote: > > Wow. PDP-1 is going back a way. I see from the referenced paper > > that with the PDP-6 we are back to 1964. When did TECO for the > > PDP-1 hit the street? I don't know if "hit the street" is particularly apt with regard to PDP-1 software. Dan Murphy invented TECO on the PDP-1. He was at the MIT student radio station, which in those pre-Ted Turner days was WTBS. Most of the other early MIT hackers were at the Tech Model Railroad Club (TMRC). He later ended up at BBN, where he co-invented TENEX, and then DEC where he was the Founding God Of TOPS-20. You can find out what he's doing now at http://www.opost.com/ The PDP-6 TECO was written by Richard Greenblatt, Jack Holloway, and Stew Nelson. Most PDP-10 TECOs came from this program; you can find common code in ITS TECO, TOPS-10 TECO, TENEX TECO, and TOPS-20 TV. The exception is TOPS-10 XTEC by Jack Krupansky (later hacked by me and submitted by me to DECUS) which was a complete rewrite and compiled the commands rather than interpreting them. I think that the program known as "TECO-10" (as opposed to DEC TECO) came out of XTEC. XTEC never really made it on TOPS-20. I don't think that TECO made it out to the West Coast, where a different editing tradition grew: TVEDIT. The PDP-1 TVEDIT also has many descendents, including E on the Stanford AI Lab system, TVEDIT on TENEX, and vi on UNIX. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ###### From: Paul Repacholi Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: [Fwd: TECO etc] Date: 02 Jun 2002 21:28:58 +0800 Organization: iQnet Lines: 26 Sender: prep@k9 Message-ID: <8766117qsl.fsf@prep.synonet.com> References: <3CF7E46A.9C11348@cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news-01.core.usertools.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: nnrp.waia.asn.au 1023024543 13583 202.154.80.9 (2 Jun 2002 13:29:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp.waia.asn.au NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:29:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Cache-Post-Path: angelina!unknown@p218.qv1-02.dial.usertools.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!nntp.waia.asn.au!nnrp.waia.asn.au!!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11460 Mark Crispin writes: > On Fri, 31 May 2002, J Ahlstrom wrote: > > > Wow. PDP-1 is going back a way. I see from the referenced > > > paper that with the PDP-6 we are back to 1964. When did TECO > > > for the PDP-1 hit the street? > I don't know if "hit the street" is particularly apt with regard to > PDP-1 software. :) Well, perhaps for a one bit town. > Dan Murphy invented TECO on the PDP-1. He was at the MIT student > radio I should have a saved post from Dan on the history of TECO. From afc or covms if anyone wants to google for it before I get my 3100 sorted out. -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. ###### From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: [Fwd: TECO etc] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:54:19 -0700 Organization: Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3CF7E46A.9C11348@cisco.com> <3CF8B164.5062ADBC@Empire.Net> <3CF8F8B0.D6F8C18@Empire.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva0.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 1023116061 27360 (None) 140.142.17.39 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu To: Brian Harvey In-Reply-To: Content-Length: 314159 (believe this at your own risk) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!140.142.17.34.MISMATCH!news.u.washington.edu!shiva0.cac.washington.edu!mrc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:11468 On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Brian Harvey wrote: > Oh! Right, insert vs. replace existed on the -10, too. Indeed I was > confused by the reference to vi. That was my fault. I didn't mean to imply that vi is exactly like the old TVEDIT and E editors; rather that vi is of that heritage. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.