Message-ID: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:49:34 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013006927 digital-99-99.exis.net (6 Feb 2002 09:48:47 -0500) Lines: 51 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!news0.de.colt.net!peernews2.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10226 Hello experts - I'm having lots of fun hacking on simh - really great to see all the preservation efforts going on. My goal is to run the Original Collosal Cave Adventure game. So far I have simh compiled on Linux, booting the Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS10 dskb.dsk, managed to get FORTRAN loaded from tape and it compiles and runs a small program. Next I have the ADVENT.FOR code but stuck on how to get it into the PDP10. Simh comes up with PTR and PTP disabled by default, but can enable them and attach to files. Now in TOPS all a referances to PTR gets is ?No such device. All .RESOURCES shows is: DSKB,RPA1,RPA2,RPA3,RPA4,RPA5,RPA6,RPA7,MTA000,001,002,003 Is there no paper tape support 'sysgen'd (if that's the proper term) into the Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS-10 system? Is there another way to 'import' source code?? If not I'm stuck with (gah!) copy and paste line by line from a Linux window to the simh window, which is quite painful!!! Or, better yet, is Adventure hidden somewhere in Tim Shoppa's TOPS-10 decus tapes?? Thanks for reading... Chuck cswiger(at)widomaker.com Hmm, hacking further, I can .R OPR and run OPR>start paper-tape-punch 1:2 and get 9:32:38 Papertape 1 -- Startup Scheduled -- 9:32:38 Papertape 2 -- Startup Scheduled -- Then if I type OPR>show status I get Papertape Status: Unit Status ---- --------------- 1 No processor 2 No processor fascinating... ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Wed, 06 Feb 02 13:43:34 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa/GDWp13h8zKwBgcvDEOn1O4k9kH1I0c33teAfZHDPtWL7kxm+dilJ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 15:56:11 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!itgate.net!news.it.colt.net!peernews2.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-24 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10224 In article <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com>, boojum wrote: >Hello experts - > > I'm having lots of fun hacking on simh - really great to see all the > >preservation efforts going on. My goal is to run the Original >Collosal Cave Adventure game. So far I have simh compiled on Linux, >booting the Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS10 dskb.dsk, managed to get >FORTRAN loaded from tape and it compiles and runs a small program. > >Next I have the ADVENT.FOR code but stuck on how to get it into the >PDP10. >Simh comes up with PTR and PTP disabled by default, Why does it want paper tapes? > ... but can enable >them and attach to files. Now in TOPS all a referances to PTR gets is >?No such device. All .RESOURCES shows is: > >DSKB,RPA1,RPA2,RPA3,RPA4,RPA5,RPA6,RPA7,MTA000,001,002,003 > >Is there no paper tape support 'sysgen'd (if that's the proper term) >into the >Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS-10 system? Probably not. The last paper tape system was the KI-10. > .. Is there another way to 'import' >source code?? If not I'm stuck with (gah!) copy and paste line by line >from a Linux window to the simh window, which is quite painful!!! There's probably many ways if the source you want to copy is in ASCII. > >Or, better yet, is Adventure hidden somewhere in Tim Shoppa's TOPS-10 >decus >tapes?? > >Thanks for reading... > > Chuck > cswiger(at)widomaker.com > >Hmm, hacking further, I can .R OPR and run OPR>start paper-tape-punch >1:2 >and get > >9:32:38 Papertape 1 -- Startup Scheduled -- > > 9:32:38 Papertape 2 -- Startup Scheduled -- > >Then if I type OPR>show status I get > >Papertape Status: > Unit Status > ---- --------------- > 1 No processor > 2 No processor > >fascinating... Right. You need SPRINT running for input and SPROUT running for output. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Wed, 06 Feb 02 13:48:45 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaXBoFAULRpGBpQvbGaQtSnZUMt+T/XqRBULKgWsQ/fbLIh8h2mPE1U X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 16:01:21 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-24 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10223 In article <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com>, boojum wrote: If you're logged into the -10, the way to get around FORTRAN's wedged hardwired in/output devices was to do ASSIGN commands. If the output device was supposed to be a paper tape, I'd type: ASSIGN DSK PTP which would point any PTP output to a disk. In the very olden days of FORTRAN (I may be misremembering the incantations), the way to get around Fortran's hardcoded device numbers was to type: ASSIGN DSK 5 which would create a file FOR05.DAT instead of trying to find some silly card peripheral. I don't remember the magic numbers for paper tape. It should be somewhere in the FORTRAN manual. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Johnny Eriksson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: 06 Feb 2002 17:08:05 +0100 Lines: 16 Sender: bygg@hector-lector.stacken.kth.se Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hector-lector.stacken.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10218 boojum writes: > Is there no paper tape support 'sysgen'd (if that's the proper term) > into the > Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS-10 system? Is there another way to 'import' > source code?? If not I'm stuck with (gah!) copy and paste line by line > from a Linux window to the simh window, which is quite painful!!! There is a way: create a tape image with the files in it, attach it to one of the tape drives, and RESTORE them with BACKUP. You need a program to create the tape image, see: ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/pdp10/backwr.tar --Johnny ###### Message-ID: <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:51:39 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013021502 digital-99-99.exis.net (6 Feb 2002 13:51:42 -0500) Lines: 26 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10227 Johnny - Thank you very much, that works great, using these switches: # backwr cTf advent.tap advent.for Chuck Johnny Eriksson wrote: > boojum writes: > > > Paul Allen prebuilt TOPS-10 system? Is there another way to 'import' > > source code?? If not I'm stuck with (gah!) copy and paste line by line > > from a Linux window to the simh window, which is quite painful!!! > > There is a way: create a tape image with the files in it, attach it to > one of the tape drives, and RESTORE them with BACKUP. > > You need a program to create the tape image, see: > > ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/pdp10/backwr.tar > > --Johnny ###### Message-ID: <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:08:04 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013022487 digital-99-99.exis.net (6 Feb 2002 14:08:07 -0500) Lines: 16 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!46483!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10230 Woohoo - WELCOME TO ADVENTURE!! WOULD YOU LIKE INSTRUCTIONS? boojum wrote: > Thank you very much, that works great, using these switches: > > # backwr cTf advent.tap advent.for > > Johnny Eriksson wrote: > > > > > There is a way: create a tape image with the files in it, attach it to > > one of the tape drives, and RESTORE them with BACKUP. ###### From: 7s Rule <> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:02:36 -0500 Organization: Association of Nothing Important Message-ID: Reply-To: 127.0.0.1 References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!68272!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!Barn. Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10233 Either millions of monkeys banging on keyboards or the insane mind of jmfbahciv@aol.com produced the following: >Probably not. The last paper tape system was the KI-10. KL's had paper tape support (and card reader support, as well) via the ANF nodes. ###### Message-ID: <3C619C3D.B9BDC07E@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:12:29 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013029963 digital-99-99.exis.net (6 Feb 2002 16:12:43 -0500) Lines: 16 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10229 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > Why does it want paper tapes? > Just read the simh_doc.txt (latest version 2.9) closer and see that the debug status of the paper tape device in the pdp10 system is 'h = runs hand-generated test cases'. Guess that's why it's disabled by default. Moot point now anyway w/ 'backwr' working. Chuck ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Thu, 07 Feb 02 09:16:46 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZE1ETKDL1OHScA3npq4AjdjYqygS7IvJFN8Uol8f1zfNXWFg3KcUGO X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Feb 2002 11:29:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-190 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10246 In article , 7s Rule <> wrote: >Either millions of monkeys banging on keyboards or the insane mind of >jmfbahciv@aol.com produced the following: > >>Probably not. The last paper tape system was the KI-10. > >KL's had paper tape support (and card reader support, as well) via the ANF >nodes. Right. But I don't recall having to CONFIG the monitor for that support. IOW, we didn't have the monitor modules for paper tape assembled in. That was a config option ala ANF-10. All one had to do was set up SPRINT and SPROUT jobs and the spooling took care of it. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Thu, 07 Feb 02 09:18:18 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZNQQ5jKx3B6c7IpEtU+eiU3BXiKQS7Rrgbb3muUWIBpilpw/e3gA6i X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Feb 2002 11:31:06 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!48069!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-190 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10245 In article <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com>, boojum wrote: >Woohoo - > >WELCOME TO ADVENTURE!! WOULD YOU LIKE INSTRUCTIONS? Now we'll have kids running TOPS-10. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Bob Supnik Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:52:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <6t456u0vaitg9jo1hctvp3h51ofoo43i17@4ax.com> References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10252 In theory, the KS10's Unibus could use any PDP11 programmed I/O device, and any DMA device where the device, driver, or user software is prepared to deal with the 8b/16b/32b vs 36b packing issues. The 'unsupported' 7.03 and 7.04 tapes have drivers for the PR11 paper tape reader and punch, and the RX211 floppy disk. I had intended the reader and punch to provide a simple method for importing/exporting text files, but paper-tape support would require a custom SYSGEN. In addition, Tim Litt told me that the paper tape and floppy drivers were not fully debugged. On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:49:34 -0500, boojum wrote: >Hello experts - > ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Fri, 08 Feb 02 10:19:26 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <6t456u0vaitg9jo1hctvp3h51ofoo43i17@4ax.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaTZS5RlbJPdfiso/HqziJ2R93r3YHpF0dSVIAx4t4XSSGdZVnWFKjV X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 12:32:24 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-111 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10262 In article <6t456u0vaitg9jo1hctvp3h51ofoo43i17@4ax.com>, Bob Supnik wrote: >In theory, the KS10's Unibus could use any PDP11 programmed I/O >device, and any DMA device where the device, driver, or user software >is prepared to deal with the 8b/16b/32b vs 36b packing issues. > >The 'unsupported' 7.03 and 7.04 tapes have drivers for the PR11 paper >tape reader and punch, and the RX211 floppy disk. I had intended the >reader and punch to provide a simple method for importing/exporting >text files, but paper-tape support would require a custom SYSGEN. In >addition, Tim Litt told me that the paper tape and floppy drivers were >not fully debugged. I don't remember how our operators did it...Whenever the fit hit the shan, they would spool the printing requests to magtape (LPTSPL "printed" to the magtape), move the magtape to a system whose hardware hadn't been hosed, then somehow get those ASCII files to a line printer. So you could cobble a procedure to move text using the magtapes. If you don't try to output to a real printer, you can even shove binary through that. Whenever somebody printed a binary file, the form feed mechanism got a healthy exercise. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Fri, 08 Feb 02 10:20:22 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZOCjXxCIU5s5jlOs7C3pP8pmLlUbXW1i3WdS1QRZf/ZNr+IC+t+Sj4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 12:33:20 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-111 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10261 In article <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com>, boojum wrote: > > >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Now we'll have kids running TOPS-10. > >Sure, for a limited time, just have them telnet into schiller.tzo.com >1010 - >(port 1010) and login as "cave" password "cave", the first one there >should >get the BOOT> prompt. Just type , I use 'opr' for 'Why reload?', >then enter some date/time, then 'go' for 'Startup option?'. Wait for >things >to settle, type CTRL-C to bail out of OPSER , then just type .RUN ADVENT > >or explore some basic games in [1,2] on there. It's on a slow old pc >and only >allows one user at a time. Also it's not hackproof, so any damage gets >passed >on to the next user. Also it's only thru a 56Kbps modem that might be >quite >busy during the business day. That's my version of the software museum. What a waste of -10 code. It hasn't been a single-user system for years. ;-) /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Message-ID: <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:29:50 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013117400 digital-99-99.exis.net (7 Feb 2002 16:30:00 -0500) Lines: 30 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10265 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > Now we'll have kids running TOPS-10. Sure, for a limited time, just have them telnet into schiller.tzo.com 1010 - (port 1010) and login as "cave" password "cave", the first one there should get the BOOT> prompt. Just type , I use 'opr' for 'Why reload?', then enter some date/time, then 'go' for 'Startup option?'. Wait for things to settle, type CTRL-C to bail out of OPSER , then just type .RUN ADVENT or explore some basic games in [1,2] on there. It's on a slow old pc and only allows one user at a time. Also it's not hackproof, so any damage gets passed on to the next user. Also it's only thru a 56Kbps modem that might be quite busy during the business day. That's my version of the software museum. If I'm voilating any licenses let me know and I will take it down. Chuck ###### Message-ID: <3C63FFAB.A8C2EB6D@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:41:15 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013186424 digital-99-99.exis.net (8 Feb 2002 11:40:24 -0500) Lines: 22 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10266 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > In article <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com>, > boojum wrote: > > > >and only > >allows one user at a time. > > What a waste of -10 code. It hasn't been a single-user > system for years. ;-) > That's easy, you can attach DZ to a port number and map another hole thru the firewall. That's probably how it should be done, leave the simh/pdp10 running all the time and let people login to terminals instead of starting up the system at a CTY everytime. But how do you setup users? I can get a . prompt but can't login yet. I need to read the manuals some more. Chuck ###### From: sword7@speakeasy.org Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:10:01 -0000 Message-ID: Sender: Timothy Stark References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.20 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 36 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10274 boojum wrote: > Sure, for a limited time, just have them telnet into schiller.tzo.com > 1010 - > (port 1010) and login as "cave" password "cave", the first one there > should > get the BOOT> prompt. Just type , I use 'opr' for 'Why reload?', > then enter some date/time, then 'go' for 'Startup option?'. Wait for > things > to settle, type CTRL-C to bail out of OPSER , then just type .RUN ADVENT > or explore some basic games in [1,2] on there. It's on a slow old pc > and only > allows one user at a time. Also it's not hackproof, so any damage gets > passed > on to the next user. Also it's only thru a 56Kbps modem that might be > quite > busy during the business day. That's my version of the software museum. > If I'm voilating any licenses let me know and I will take it down. Chuck: I am so impressed. I tried ADVENT and it worked so well. How about a package of ADVENT, etc for downloads? I still am looking for a PDP-10 version of Adventure game includes source codes. Thank you! -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 10 Feb 2002 11:17:29 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 10 Feb 2002 11:18:13 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10275 sword7@speakeasy.org writes: > I am so impressed. I tried ADVENT and it worked so well. How about > a package of ADVENT, etc for downloads? I still am looking for > a PDP-10 version of Adventure game includes source codes. ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/games/source/adv350-pdp10.tar.gz ###### From: sword7@speakeasy.org Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: Sender: Timothy Stark References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.20 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10273 Eric Smith wrote: > sword7@speakeasy.org writes: >> I am so impressed. I tried ADVENT and it worked so well. How about >> a package of ADVENT, etc for downloads? I still am looking for >> a PDP-10 version of Adventure game includes source codes. > ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/games/source/adv350-pdp10.tar.gz Ok, thank you for information. I already have ftp address in my cuteftp pro software but I did not know that PDP10 version in that ftp site. I will look into that. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### Message-ID: <3C68367E.B149EC60@localhost.nowhere.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:24:14 -0500 From: boojum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-99-99.exis.net X-Trace: grouper.exis.net 1013462598 digital-99-99.exis.net (11 Feb 2002 16:23:18 -0500) Lines: 31 Organization: A Customer of Exis Net Inc Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!grouper.exis.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10309 Tim - the Fortran source code came from http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/e_downloads.html The simulator from http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ which includes a link to the TOPS-10 Fortran compiler at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ (TOPS-10 layered product, Fortran 10, version 11, field test tape 3) and the prebuilt TOPS-10 system from http://pdp10.paulallen.com/ which also has a simh compiled for win32. That should be everything you need to explore your own cave on a nearby pc. Chuck sword7@speakeasy.org wrote: > > I am so impressed. I tried ADVENT and it worked so well. How about > a package of ADVENT, etc for downloads? I still am looking for > a PDP-10 version of Adventure game includes source codes. > > Thank you! > > -- Tim Stark > > -- > Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Paper Tape Reader on PDP10 - TOPS10(PaulAllen) - simh Date: Thu, 14 Feb 02 09:33:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3C61427E.965A1EE2@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617B3B.81992F3D@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C617F14.BEF18ECC@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com> <3C63FFAB.A8C2EB6D@localhost.nowhere.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZoY8xWHRhdDNSurCRpIVAXog/mIS0blJxI5NO5e8ug6sgnG8QjJiRh X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2002 11:47:31 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-6 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:10341 In article <3C63FFAB.A8C2EB6D@localhost.nowhere.com>, boojum wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> In article <3C62F1CE.CB1B21DF@localhost.nowhere.com>, >> boojum wrote: >> > >> >and only >> >allows one user at a time. >> >> What a waste of -10 code. It hasn't been a single-user >> system for years. ;-) >> > >That's easy, you can attach DZ to a port number and map another >hole thru the firewall. That's probably how it should be done, leave >the simh/pdp10 running all the time and let people login to terminals >instead of starting up the system at a CTY everytime. But how do >you setup users? I can get a . prompt but can't login yet. I need to >read the manuals some more. If, IF, it were my system, I'd try typing an I at the CTY dot. Assuming the installation of the software had been done according to the MIG, it should start up a bunch of housekeeping jobs like the GALAXY set, ACTDAE, etc. And one edit has to be done to the INITIA file if you're running the 7.04 installation. However, it is bet to read the MIG. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.