From: "Harris S. Newman" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Linux under a emulator Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:34:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.68.130.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1010158494 66.68.130.179 (Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:34:54 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:34:54 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9057 I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: Sat, 05 Jan 02 10:07:38 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3C34CE4C.1C16FE2E@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZjEnG//qKhr9RhUNFnTZXN5UYY3lFWpqV1zAWhK9Hv4JTZnDh8E7X8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 12:15:01 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-219 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9009 In article <3C34CE4C.1C16FE2E@jetnet.ab.ca>, Ben Franchuk wrote: >"Harris S. Newman" wrote: >> >> I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is >> completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? I >> have a twisted and warped mind.... > >OK lets get this straight ... DOS running pdp-10 running linux running >wine! > 'you are in twisty little maze' As long as you don't make them all alike. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Ben Franchuk Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:04 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C34CE4C.1C16FE2E@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9000 "Harris S. Newman" wrote: > > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? I > have a twisted and warped mind.... OK lets get this straight ... DOS running pdp-10 running linux running wine! 'you are in twisty little maze' -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html ###### From: "Peter Neidhart" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:52:17 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1010163283 01 14757 X1JDTPmbSPH9Kr 020104 16:54:43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 0711588744-0001@t-dialin.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9017 "Harris S. Newman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:yYjZ7.72050$6m1.1971573@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? I > have a twisted and warped mind.... This would be LINUX-10 :-) ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 05 Jan 2002 20:28:33 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 11 Message-ID: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1010258801 23592 212.73.17.42 (5 Jan 2002 19:26:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 19:26:41 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!skynet.be!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!easynet-monga!easynet.net!news.ebone.net!news1.ebone.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9018 "Harris S. Newman" writes: > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 > emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 05 Jan 2002 23:51:16 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6usn9ktnrv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References:

NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1010271076 1546 10.0.3.2 (5 Jan 2002 22:51:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 22:51:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9069 "Peter Neidhart" writes: > "Harris S. Newman" schrieb im > Newsbeitrag news:yYjZ7.72050$6m1.1971573@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? > I > > have a twisted and warped mind.... > > This would be LINUX-10 :-) Linux/10 in the official nomenclature. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 06 Jan 2002 00:09:12 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1010272152 1604 10.0.3.2 (5 Jan 2002 23:09:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 23:09:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9070 Lars Brinkhoff writes: > "Harris S. Newman" writes: > > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 > > emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... > > I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for > hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. Hmmm. Use it on an FPGA 10, mine (when done) or XKLs (TOAD-1, upcoming XKL-2) ones. The most sucking thing with Linux is the PC hardware it usually runs on. Linux/x86 has the well know PC crap, which is getting worse by the day. Linux/PPC on Macs is no real alternative, given the lack of old fashioned ports such as RS232 or Centronics or even ISA, and the semi-functioning USB and even worse Firewire support. Linux/Sparc has Suns sky-high prices. Linux/Alpha has an dying processor family. This was (and still is) one of the reasons I chose making an 10, as opposed to an 8 or 11: That its architecture is powerfull enough (= enough address range), that there will be a group of users interested in using it for actual work, Linux/10 being one possible use, TOPS-10, TOPS-20 and ITS being the others. Even better have multiple OSes installed and dual/multi-boot. And yes, I have contemplated an hardware extension to support IBM mainframe VM style multi OSes running at a time. The 10s architecture looks like it could make this relatively easy. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Message-ID: <3C376085.1BB0F3DD@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:22:29 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1010280148 reader2.ash.ops.us.uu.net 17572 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0902.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9074 Neil Franklin wrote: > The most sucking thing with Linux is the PC hardware it usually runs > on. Linux/x86 has the well know PC crap, which is getting worse by the > day. But you have a choice at how much worse it is :-). Yeah, the fact that booting has to go through the BIOS is a pain in the rear, but after you get past that stage it's pretty-much clear sailing (GRUB does a damn good job!) Appropriate kernel patching will give you, for example, hot-swappable cards on Compact PCI machines. > Linux/Sparc has > Suns sky-high prices. But why bother when Solaris supports hot-swapping of cards on a Compact PCI backplane right out of the box? (Can anyone tell what my main criteria for platform selection is this week?) Tim. ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 06 Jan 2002 02:19:39 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 23 Message-ID: <851yh42s44.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1010279797 26197 212.73.17.42 (6 Jan 2002 01:16:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 01:16:37 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news.ebone.net!news1.ebone.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9072 Neil Franklin writes: > Lars Brinkhoff writes: > > "Harris S. Newman" writes: > > > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering to try to > > > get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 emulator? > > I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for > > hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. > Use it on an FPGA 10, mine (when done) or XKLs (TOAD-1, upcoming > XKL-2) ones. That would be wonderful as a toy, but if I had PDP-10 hardware I think I'd rather run a PDP-10 operating system. > Linux/PPC on Macs is no real alternative, given the lack of old > fashioned ports such as RS232 It is an alternative for me. That's what I use as my primary workstation. I also have a Linux/ARM box with an RS-232 port if I'd need that, but I rarely do these days. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: Wed, 09 Jan 02 09:11:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9xo_7.147729$lV4.25443729@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> <99L_7.3095$Vk2.114682@typhoon.austin.rr.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZsXcVOWOt2P9FaXzEcdsw3rpzVl611PwsoeG0b8A8J+cXcRT8Bu97w X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2002 11:19:06 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-40 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9120 In article <99L_7.3095$Vk2.114682@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, "Harris S. Newman" wrote: >I guess running Windows XP on the emulator is out of the question... The only reason, that I can think of, where this would be useful is in a PhD course to examine what not to do. And the reason I would make it such a high level course, is that presumedly this class would know enough not to allow brain infection. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9xo_7.147729$lV4.25443729@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:36:05 EST Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:36:05 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9099 Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > "Harris S. Newman" writes: >> I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is >> completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 >> emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... > I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for > hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. I'll be blunt, I think the idea is crazy (but then I never have enough spare time to work on my projects). Having said that, I think that the logical target would be NetBSD. I'm not aware of any other OS that supports that wide of a range of architectures! Zane ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 08 Jan 2002 10:47:27 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 20 Message-ID: <854rlx18eo.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1010483195 17381 212.73.17.42 (8 Jan 2002 09:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 2002 09:46:35 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news01.chello.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9142 Neil Franklin writes: > I have contemplated an hardware extension to support IBM mainframe > VM style multi OSes running at a time. The 10s architecture looks > like it could make this relatively easy. Something like this seems to have been considered already, and implemented in software. From http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/tymshare/software/: Tymcom-X was the only PDP-10 operating system (and perhaps the only OS at the time) that could run a virtual copy of itself on a real copy, for user mode monitor debugging. Although we never implemented an actual simulated user address space along with the simulated exec address space, you could still execute simple programs from the simulated exec space due to the fact that Tymcom-X UUO calls were reentrant. This allowed several developers to work on the monitor without taking any hardware stand alone. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### From: Iain Hardcastle Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:35:49 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-517.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9270 On 06 Jan 2002 00:09:12 +0100, Neil Franklin wrote: >The most sucking thing with Linux is the PC hardware it usually runs >on. Linux/x86 has the well know PC crap, which is getting worse by the >day. Linux/PPC on Macs is no real alternative, given the lack of old >fashioned ports such as RS232 or Centronics or even ISA, and the >semi-functioning USB and even worse Firewire support. Linux/Sparc has >Suns sky-high prices. Linux/Alpha has an dying processor family. > Linux/390? The hardware certainly does not suck! even works under the Hercules emulator ###### From: "Harris S. Newman" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9xo_7.147729$lV4.25443729@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <99L_7.3095$Vk2.114682@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:20:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.68.130.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1010532037 66.68.130.179 (Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:20:37 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:20:37 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9219 I guess running Windows XP on the emulator is out of the question... "Zane H. Healy" wrote in message news:9xo_7.147729$lV4.25443729@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com... > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > "Harris S. Newman" writes: > >> I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > >> completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 > >> emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... > > > I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for > > hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. > > I'll be blunt, I think the idea is crazy (but then I never have enough spare > time to work on my projects). Having said that, I think that the logical > target would be NetBSD. I'm not aware of any other OS that supports that > wide of a range of architectures! > > Zane > > ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 09 Jan 2002 12:54:43 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 37 Message-ID: <85lmf7zqm4.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9xo_7.147729$lV4.25443729@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1010577093 27397 212.73.17.42 (9 Jan 2002 11:51:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2002 11:51:33 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9150 Zane H. Healy wrote: > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > "Harris S. Newman" writes: > > > I was just wondering if there was anybody considering, after gcc is > > > completed, to try to get Linux or Freebsd running under a pdp10 > > > emulator? I have a twisted and warped mind.... > > I must admit the thought has occurred to me. It would be 100% for > > hack value, I doubt a Unix port would ever be useful to anyone. > I'll be blunt, I think the idea is crazy. I agree totally. > Having said that; I think that the logical target would be NetBSD. Agreed, too. I didn't say I was just thinking about Linux. And I know that at least one NetBSD/vax person is interested in this too. ObTotallyOffTopic: > I'm not aware of any other OS that supports that wide of a range of > architectures. Debatable. Accordning to my research at http://lars.nocrew.org/arch.html , (GNU/etc) Linux as been ported to at least 13 different processor architectures (that's excluding 64-bit extensions of 32-bit architectures, even x86-64), while NetBSD runs on 10 architectures. Linux has the edge on CRIS, IPF (IA-64), PA-RISC, S/390. NetBSD runs on the 32000, and has supperior VAX support. Of course, if you mean "architectures" in the same sense as NetBSD platforms, you are probably right. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Linux under a emulator Date: 09 Jan 2002 21:11:39 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6usn9fi8sk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <85itag38da.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <6upu4otmxz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1010607099 1274 10.0.3.2 (9 Jan 2002 20:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2002 20:11:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:9277 Iain Hardcastle writes: > On 06 Jan 2002 00:09:12 +0100, Neil Franklin > wrote: > > >The most sucking thing with Linux is the PC hardware it usually runs > >on. Linux/x86 has the well know PC crap, which is getting worse by the > >semi-functioning USB and even worse Firewire support. Linux/Sparc has > >Suns sky-high prices. Linux/Alpha has an dying processor family. > > Linux/390? The hardware certainly does not suck! Nice hardware for sure. But its price tag sucks rocks through a straw in a way that makes Suns look cheap (pun intended). -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery