From: Daniel Seagraves Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:05:57 -0600 Organization: Alliance Internet Technologies, LLC Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sakura.lunar-tokyo.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!206.228.179.2!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dpc.net!sakura.lunar-tokyo.net!dseagrav Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8181 I finished installing TOPS-20 v7.0 on klh10 2.0a, on Linux/i386, and I have an issue with COMPIL. It says: ?Illegal character - in file: DSK:HELLO.FOR" Also, where (if possible) is TOPS-20 EMACS? ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: 14 Dec 2001 08:42:09 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 9 Message-ID: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1008315700 24828 212.73.17.42 (14 Dec 2001 07:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 07:41:40 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8192 Daniel Seagraves writes: > Also, where (if possible) is TOPS-20 EMACS? I have a copy at http://pdp10.nocrew.org/. You'll need MIDAS and IDDT too, but you can get those from TOAD. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### From: sword7@speakeasy.org Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:30:56 -0000 Message-ID: Sender: Timothy Stark References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.20 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8200 Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > I have a copy at http://pdp10.nocrew.org/. You'll need MIDAS and IDDT > too, but you can get those from TOAD. Ok, I looked into TOAD's ftp site but did not see any MIDAS and IDDT on it. Where are them? I now have a copy of Emacs for TOPS-20. I still am looking for TOPS-10 version. I used Emacs on TOPS-10 system at Gallaudet Univ more than 10 years ago. Thank you! -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 +0100 Organization: nocrew Lines: 23 Message-ID: <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: junk.nocrew.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 1008338501 26841 212.73.17.42 (14 Dec 2001 14:01:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 14:01:41 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!unknown!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8189 sword7@speakeasy.org writes: > Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > > I have a copy at http://pdp10.nocrew.org/. You'll need MIDAS and IDDT > > too, but you can get those from TOAD. > Ok, I looked into TOAD's ftp site but did not see any MIDAS and IDDT > on it. Where are them? They are not available by anonymous FTP. Once you have an account, you can find them in TOAD:. > I now have a copy of Emacs for TOPS-20. I still am looking for > TOPS-10 version. I used Emacs on TOPS-10 system at Gallaudet Univ > more than 10 years ago. Rich Alderson, who ought to know, claims that EMACS can't run in TOPS-10: EMACS only runs on Tops-20, TENEX, and ITS; the memory management model of Tops-10 made a port impossible. -- Lars Brinkhoff http://lars.nocrew.org/ Linux, GCC, PDP-10 Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ programming ###### From: sword7@speakeasy.org Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Message-ID: Sender: Timothy Stark References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.20 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8197 Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > They are not available by anonymous FTP. Once you have an account, > you can find them in TOAD:. Ok, thank you for information. How do I apply for a new account? Thank you. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: Elder One < > Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:34:20 -0500 Organization: Order of the Elders Message-ID: Reply-To: 127.0.0.1 References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.2 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!barn.net.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8210 But, FINE did run on the -10, IIRC. (Fine Is Not Emacs.) On 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 +0100, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >sword7@speakeasy.org writes: >> Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >> > I have a copy at http://pdp10.nocrew.org/. You'll need MIDAS and IDDT >> > too, but you can get those from TOAD. >> Ok, I looked into TOAD's ftp site but did not see any MIDAS and IDDT >> on it. Where are them? > >They are not available by anonymous FTP. Once you have an account, >you can find them in TOAD:. > >> I now have a copy of Emacs for TOPS-20. I still am looking for >> TOPS-10 version. I used Emacs on TOPS-10 system at Gallaudet Univ >> more than 10 years ago. > >Rich Alderson, who ought to know, claims that EMACS can't run in >TOPS-10: > > EMACS only runs on Tops-20, TENEX, and ITS; the memory management > model of Tops-10 made a port impossible. ###### From: sword7@speakeasy.org Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:07:26 -0000 Message-ID: Sender: Timothy Stark References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.20 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8194 Elder One < > wrote: > But, FINE did run on the -10, IIRC. Ok, thank you for info. Now I am looking for FINE for TOPS-10 right now. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: Alan Greig Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:07:55 +0000 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-104.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!209.155.233.16!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8209 On 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 +0100, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: >Rich Alderson, who ought to know, claims that EMACS can't run in >TOPS-10: > > EMACS only runs on Tops-20, TENEX, and ITS; the memory management > model of Tops-10 made a port impossible. RMS unkindly called TOPS-10 Bottoms -10 and refused to even try and make a cut-down EMACS for it. However several other people did and some I recall were "FINE" - Fine Is Not Emacs, "THIEF" - This Here Isn't Even Fine or THief Isn't Even Fine and "DOPE" - Display Oriented Pop-2 Editor.I think there was one other as well. So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where copies might exist? -- Alan ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 10 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:59 EST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:13:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8176 Alan Greig wrote: > So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where > copies might exist? No, BUT the copy of an EMACS book I've got at work (I bought it in either '92 or '93) has information on who was distributing the different EMACS varients originally. I think it includes info on FINE, THIEF, and DOPE as well as a lot of others in the back of the book. Zane ###### Sender: phr2001-nospam@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Date: 14 Dec 2001 11:20:41 -0800 Message-ID: <7xy9k51ud2.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Organization: Nightsong/Fort GNOX Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 14 Dec 2001 11:26:50 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8196 "Zane H. Healy" writes: > No, BUT the copy of an EMACS book I've got at work (I bought it in either > '92 or '93) has information on who was distributing the different EMACS > varients originally. I think it includes info on FINE, THIEF, and DOPE as > well as a lot of others in the back of the book. I think you might be talking about Craig Finseth's "The Craft of Text Editing" which is online at: http://www.finseth.com/~fin/craft/index.html ###### From: Tim Shoppa Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: 14 Dec 2001 12:08:08 -0800 Organization: Trailing-Edge Technologies Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9vdm78012fu@drn.newsguy.com> References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-694.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8182 In article , Alan says... >RMS unkindly called TOPS-10 Bottoms -10 and refused to even try and >make a cut-down EMACS for it. However several other people did and >some I recall were "FINE" - Fine Is Not Emacs, "THIEF" - This Here >Isn't Even Fine or THief Isn't Even Fine and "DOPE" - Display Oriented >Pop-2 Editor.I think there was one other as well. > >So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where >copies might exist? I don't think it was ever in the DECUS 10-xxx library. No mention of EMACS, FINE, THIEF, or DOPE in any DECUS abstract, nor is there any relevant file with such a name. 10-245 has source for DOPE.F10, but that has something to do with drug dosage simulation :-) I also recall MINCE (Mince is Not Complete Emacs) but I don't think that was on a -10. Tim. ###### From: budd@csa.bu.edu (Phil Budne) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Followup-To: alt.sys.pdp10 Date: 14 Dec 2001 20:21:57 GMT Organization: Boston University Computer Science Dept. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9vdn15$5bb$1@news3.bu.edu> References: <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> X-Trace: news3.bu.edu 1008361317 5483 128.197.12.3 (14 Dec 2001 20:21:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@bu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bu.edu!budd Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8174 In article , Alan Greig wrote: >On 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 +0100, Lars Brinkhoff >wrote: >So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where >copies might exist? I have sources for FINE, but I'm unclear on it's legal status. I used to hack on it when I was at Stevens Tech, and later at DEC, but I quit when we got a copy of AMIS, which was a thing of beauty, so excellent was it's emulation of EMACS. There's a copy of AMIS (with sources!) on the 7.04 tools tape TOPS10_TOOLS_BB-FP64B-SB at Trailing Edge. ###### Sender: phr2001-nospam@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9vdm78012fu@drn.newsguy.com> Date: 14 Dec 2001 12:39:42 -0800 Message-ID: <7xn10l5yep.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Organization: Nightsong/Fort GNOX Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 14 Dec 2001 12:45:51 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8199 Tim Shoppa writes: > I also recall MINCE (Mince is Not Complete Emacs) but I don't think > that was on a -10. MINCE was written in z80 asm for CP/M if I recall correctly. Its companion SCRIBBLE was a Scribe-like text formatter. ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <7xy9k51ud2.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4GuS7.106294$lV4.16307051@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:02:40 EST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:02:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8171 Paul Rubin wrote: > "Zane H. Healy" writes: >> No, BUT the copy of an EMACS book I've got at work (I bought it in either >> '92 or '93) has information on who was distributing the different EMACS >> varients originally. I think it includes info on FINE, THIEF, and DOPE as >> well as a lot of others in the back of the book. > I think you might be talking about Craig Finseth's "The Craft of Text > Editing" which is online at: > http://www.finseth.com/~fin/craft/index.html Nope, "UNIX Desktop Guide to EMACS" from Hayden Books (c)1992 Here is what it has (not as many related ones as I'd thought): Elle V4.1g C UNIX, Minix, TOPS-20, TOPS-10 (!) <-the book puts that there not me Ken Harrenstein Emacs MIDAS ITS, TOPS-20 MIT AI Lab FINE (listed as no longer available BLISS PDP-10 Mike Kazar, CMU So... It looks like the question is, where is Ken hiding copies of Elle for TOPS-10 and TOPS-20! Zane ###### From: Jim Thomas Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: 14 Dec 2001 12:40:41 -1000 Organization: Canada France Hawai`i Telescope Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9vdn15$5bb$1@news3.bu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 1008369641 28392 128.171.80.135 (14 Dec 2001 22:40:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 22:40:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8205 >>>>> "Phil" == Phil Budne writes: Phil> In article , Phil> Alan Greig wrote: >> On 14 Dec 2001 15:03:09 +0100, Lars Brinkhoff >> wrote: >> So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where >> copies might exist? Phil> I have sources for FINE, but I'm unclear on it's legal status. I used Phil> to hack on it when I was at Stevens Tech, and later at DEC, ... Presumably the earlier versions which were public domain are still? I would think you could let mine out, e.g. Nothead ###### Message-ID: <3C1D1C74.8391FFE3@virgin.net> From: Alan Greig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9vdm78012fu@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:13:09 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.208.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1008540798 62.252.208.134 (Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:13:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:13:18 GMT Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8218 Tim Shoppa wrote: > In article , Alan says... > >RMS unkindly called TOPS-10 Bottoms -10 and refused to even try and > >make a cut-down EMACS for it. However several other people did and > >some I recall were "FINE" - Fine Is Not Emacs, "THIEF" - This Here > >Isn't Even Fine or THief Isn't Even Fine and "DOPE" - Display Oriented > >Pop-2 Editor.I think there was one other as well. > > > >So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where > >copies might exist? > > I don't think it was ever in the DECUS 10-xxx library. No mention > of EMACS, FINE, THIEF, or DOPE in any DECUS abstract, nor is there > any relevant file with such a name. 10-245 has source for DOPE.F10, > but that has something to do with drug dosage simulation :-) > EMACS was on a DECUS symposium tape. Are these online anywhere? -- Alan Greig ###### Message-ID: <3C1D0B72.5F53F77D@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9vdm78012fu@drn.newsguy.com> <3C1D1C74.8391FFE3@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1008554442 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 5792 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.8!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0901.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8224 Alan Greig wrote: > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > In article , Alan says... > > >RMS unkindly called TOPS-10 Bottoms -10 and refused to even try and > > >make a cut-down EMACS for it. However several other people did and > > >some I recall were "FINE" - Fine Is Not Emacs, "THIEF" - This Here > > >Isn't Even Fine or THief Isn't Even Fine and "DOPE" - Display Oriented > > >Pop-2 Editor.I think there was one other as well. > > > > > >So I would initially look for FINE. THIEF or DOPE. Anyone know where > > >copies might exist? > > > > I don't think it was ever in the DECUS 10-xxx library. No mention > > of EMACS, FINE, THIEF, or DOPE in any DECUS abstract, nor is there > > any relevant file with such a name. 10-245 has source for DOPE.F10, > > but that has something to do with drug dosage simulation :-) > > > > EMACS was on a DECUS symposium tape. Are these online anywhere? No, I do not have the -10 and -20 DECUS Symposium tapes (though I do have their abstracts, and I don't see EMACS explicily mentioned there.) I did make mental note that one of the Symposium tapes was submitted by a current DECUS (err, ENCOMPASS) BOD candidate. I'll ask her if she still has any of the old stuff... Tim. ###### From: Alan Greig Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 random stuff... Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:15:54 +0000 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <85itba2qpa.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <85u1ut292a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <9vdm78012fu@drn.newsguy.com> <3C1D1C74.8391FFE3@virgin.net> <3C1D0B72.5F53F77D@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-693.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:8230 On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: >> >> EMACS was on a DECUS symposium tape. Are these online anywhere? > >No, I do not have the -10 and -20 DECUS Symposium tapes (though >I do have their abstracts, and I don't see EMACS explicily >mentioned there.) I'm guessing at 1980 or 1981. I recall the tape reached us via Dublin (tape copying tree) and I also remember a warning that EMACS was highly addictive and would eat up all your system resources.Until four years ago these tapes were still in the university tape archives. Shortly after I left virtually the entire tape archive was destroyed. > >I did make mental note that one of the Symposium tapes was >submitted by a current DECUS (err, ENCOMPASS) BOD candidate. >I'll ask her if she still has any of the old stuff... > >Tim. -- Alan