From: "Tom Grubbs" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Help with SIMH Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:06:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.176.65.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttln1.wa.home.com 1001480772 24.176.65.27 (Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:06:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:06:12 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttln1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6937 Have Linux SIMH 2.7 running using the pdp10.kilonet.org tops10.gold 7.03. Am looking for a way to move files into the simulator. Are there instructions for setting up kermit or a utility for creating a BACKUP TAP type file under Linux? Thanks Tom ###### From: Arthur Krewat Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Help with SIMH Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net> References: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:12:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.186.100.134 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 1001517165 24.186.100.134 (Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:12:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:12:45 EDT Organization: Optimum Online Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!64.245.249.19.MISMATCH!dfw3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6930 Tom Grubbs wrote: > > Have Linux SIMH 2.7 running using the pdp10.kilonet.org tops10.gold 7.03. > Am looking for a way to move files into the simulator. Are there > instructions for setting up kermit or a utility for creating a BACKUP TAP > type file under Linux? There is a utility called "backwr" that writes .TAP images containing the files you supply. Do this: backwr -f a.tap file1 file2 file3 I put up backwr.tar.gz on my web site pdp10.kilonet.org at: http://pdp10.kilonet.org/files/backwr.tar.gz Backwr writes BACKUP savesets. You can then attach this .tap image in SIMH or TS10 and run BACKUP. have fun! aak ###### From: "Tom Grubbs" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Help with SIMH Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:26:06 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> <3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6947 Much closer - but still need help Good news the "backwr" utility produces .TAP files that I have been able to use, the bad news is I don't seem to be able to move binary (executable files) into the simulator. I have some binaries and have also tried ftp to copy single files from trailing-edge as test cases. Am I missing a step? Thanks, Tom "Arthur Krewat" wrote in message news:3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net... > Tom Grubbs wrote: > > > > Have Linux SIMH 2.7 running using the pdp10.kilonet.org tops10.gold 7.03. > > Am looking for a way to move files into the simulator. Are there > > instructions for setting up kermit or a utility for creating a BACKUP TAP > > type file under Linux? > > There is a utility called "backwr" that writes .TAP images containing > the files you supply. Do this: > > backwr -f a.tap file1 file2 file3 > > I put up backwr.tar.gz on my web site pdp10.kilonet.org at: > > http://pdp10.kilonet.org/files/backwr.tar.gz > > Backwr writes BACKUP savesets. > > You can then attach this .tap image in SIMH or TS10 and run BACKUP. > > have fun! > > aak ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: Help with SIMH Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> <3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 13 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:07:15 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:07:15 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6953 Tom Grubbs wrote: > Much closer - but still need help > Good news the "backwr" utility produces .TAP files that I have been able to > use, the bad news is I don't seem to be able to move binary (executable > files) into the simulator. I have some binaries and have also tried ftp to > copy single files from trailing-edge as test cases. Am I missing a step? No, I'm afraid you're not. The problem is the whole 8-bit/36-bit mess, the binaries are corrupt before you ever try and get them onto your system. I'm not sure if there is a way to fix this or not, but I don't think there is. Zane ###### From: Johnny Eriksson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Help with SIMH Date: 27 Sep 2001 22:20:09 +0200 Lines: 26 Sender: bygg@hector-lector.stacken.kth.se Message-ID: References: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> <3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hector-lector.stacken.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6940 "Tom Grubbs" writes: > Much closer - but still need help > > Good news the "backwr" utility produces .TAP files that I have been able to > use, the bad news is I don't seem to be able to move binary (executable > files) into the simulator. I have some binaries and have also tried ftp to > copy single files from trailing-edge as test cases. Am I missing a step? backwr should write 36 bits to each pdp10 word, from five bytes of input file, taking the low order seven bits of each, packing them left-to-right. The MSB of the fifth byte is then stuffed into the last bit. If your binary files are in some other format (some other 36 <==> 8 conversion) it might not work... I have a version of backwr somewhere, that can expand newlines to CRLFs, will put that up on the net soon. If there is a standard way (different from above) of how to store 36- bit binary files as a stream of bytes, tell me how and I will try to teach backwr how to handle them. > Thanks, > Tom --Johnny ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Help with SIMH Date: 28 Sep 2001 14:35:25 -0400 Organization: Systems Administration, XKL LLC, Redmond WA 98052 Lines: 23 Sender: alderson+news@panix3.panix.com Message-ID: References: <8nds7.40085$QK.29319034@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> <3BB1EF1B.60D9F9B6@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1001702037 14451 166.84.1.3 (28 Sep 2001 18:33:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2001 18:33:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6943 Johnny Eriksson writes: > If there is a standard way (different from above) of how to store 36-bit > binary files as a stream of bytes, tell me how and I will try to teach backwr > how to handle them. There *IS* a standard, and you are violating it badly. Both Tops-10 and Tops-20 use "CORE-DUMP" mode for writing their respective backup tapes. In this mode, the 36 bits of each word are written in 5 8-bit frames as follows: B0 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 B10 B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16 B17 B18 B19 B20 B21 B22 B23 B24 B25 B26 B27 B28 B29 B30 B31 0 0 0 0 B32 B33 B34 B35 Try that, and see what you get. -- Rich Alderson alderson+news@panix.com "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." --Death, of the Endless