From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 56 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:59:19 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:59:19 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!easynews!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6686 Let me start by saying I'm an idiot for not having a backup. Anyway for some reason my TOPS-10 7.03 system disk has decided to stop allowing logins. If I try and login it gives me the banner and then hangs never giving me a dot, but if I hit control-C twice it will do a KJOB logging me out. Anyone have any idea what's wrong? I'm running the exact same version of simh I have been, and nothing is wrong with my TOPS-20 system running on the same machine. I've attached a SYSTAT below. What does State of TO for ACTDAE mean? Zane Status of Psychotic Reaction at 15:43:17 on 11-Sep-101 Uptime 43:31, 89% Null time = 89% Idle + 0% Lost, 8% Overhead 12 Jobs in use out of 128. 12 logged in, 10 detached. Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time 1 [OPR] DET42 STOMPR 9+8 SL 1 2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 22+SPY RN 22 3 [OPR] DET42 ACTDAE 96+39 TO 2 5 [OPR] DET42 DAEMON 20+SPY SL 3 6 [OPR] DET42 FILDAE 17 HB 0 7 [OPR] DET42 QUASAR 108+39 SL 3 8 [OPR] DET42 PULSAR 65+39 HB 1 9 [OPR] DET42 CATLOG 30+39 HB 1 10 [OPR] DET42 ORION 97+39 SL 3 11 [OPR] 42 4 ^C 0 12 [OPR] DET42 BATCON 38+39 SL 1 13 [OPR] DET42 LPTSPL 58+39 HB 1 High Segments: Program Device Owner High(P) Users INITIA DSKB [SYS] 8 1 GLXLIB DSKB [SYS] 39 7 Swapping space used = 575/2000 = 29% Virt. Core used = 611/2000 = 31% 1033P Core left Active swapping ratio = 22/1644 = .01 Virt. Core saved by sharing = 234/(234+611) = 28% Average job size =564/12 = 47.0P+281/12 = 23.4P Total=845/12 = 70.4P No busy devices System File Structures: Name Free Mount DSKB 165580 2 Total Free 165580 ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: Wed, 12 Sep 01 08:01:30 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYmiYvdL/zKiColj7Br3YvZ1PQGE3XU5kxH8whtXZAtnWnunOPz/u8s X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2001 10:50:17 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-255-128 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6680 In article , "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil >e status = 400017 There's something very, very wrong. The first two "ACTDAE"s shouldn't be getting printed. I'll guarantee you that I never checkpoint anything for job 0. I don't remember what a 400017 status means. After you attach to the job and get the tty output cleared, you should be at monitor mode (a dot gets typed). Now do the following commands. set w f v r actdae Then see what the hell it's trying to lookup. Another thing you might try to do is a dir sys:actdae.exe/checksum and compare that checksum to the one that's on the directory of the distribution tape. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem References: Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 11 Sep 2001 17:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 11 Sep 2001 17:23:57 -0700, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6682 "Zane H. Healy" writes: > I've attached a SYSTAT below. What does State of TO for ACTDAE mean? Isn't "TO" Terminal Output? ###### From: Arthur Krewat Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:42:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.186.100.134 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 1000262562 24.186.100.134 (Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:42:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:42:42 EDT Organization: Optimum Online Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6681 "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > Let me start by saying I'm an idiot for not having a backup. > > Anyway for some reason my TOPS-10 7.03 system disk has decided to stop > allowing logins. If I try and login it gives me the banner and then hangs > never giving me a dot, but if I hit control-C twice it will do a KJOB logging > me out. > > Anyone have any idea what's wrong? I'm running the exact same version of > simh I have been, and nothing is wrong with my TOPS-20 system running on the > same machine. > > I've attached a SYSTAT below. What does State of TO for ACTDAE mean? "TO" is Terminal Output - ACTDAE has something to say to the controlling terminal (and their ain't one!). My system starts up and leaves the CTY logged in - can't you ^C out of OPSER and be left logged in? Once you are logged in, you should be able to "ATT " where JOB # is the job # of ACTDAE. Type 2 ^C's, and a CONT (continue). ACTDAE should spit out it's problem. aak ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 22 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:05:45 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:05:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6684 Arthur Krewat wrote: > "TO" is Terminal Output - ACTDAE has something to say to the controlling > terminal (and their ain't one!). OK, I was wondering if it was something like that. > My system starts up and leaves the CTY logged in - can't > you ^C out of OPSER and be left logged in? Sure can! I didn't even realize that. > Once you are logged in, you should be able to "ATT " where JOB # > is the job # of ACTDAE. Type 2 ^C's, and a CONT (continue). ACTDAE > should spit out it's problem. OK, the next question would be, what does this mean, and how do I correct it? ? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil e status = 400017 Zane ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 83 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:29:20 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:29:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!opentransit.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6685 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > In article , > "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > >>? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil >>e status = 400017 > There's something very, very wrong. The first two "ACTDAE"s shouldn't > be getting printed. I'll guarantee you that I never checkpoint > anything for job 0. I don't remember what a 400017 status means. > After you attach to the job and get the tty output cleared, you > should be at monitor mode (a dot gets typed). > Now do the following commands. > set w f v > r actdae > Then see what the hell it's trying to lookup. > Another thing you might try to do is a > dir sys:actdae.exe/checksum .dir sys:actdae.exe/checksum [S:DIRECT 7(502) + ] [L0: DSK:SWITCH.INI[1,2], error 0] [FL1: DSKB0:ACTDAE.EXE[1,4]] ACTDAE EXE 320 <055> 245021 8-Apr-86 2(140) DSKB: [1,4] . > and compare that checksum to the one that's on the directory of > the distribution tape. .R ACTDAE [S:ACTDAE 2(140) from DSKB0:ACTDAE.EXE[1,4]] [ + GLXLIB 5(1522)] [FL20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] [FL20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] [FE20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] [FL21: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] [FE21: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] [FL22: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] [FE22: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] [FL23: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] [FE23: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] ? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil e status = 400017 .dir dskb0:[1,7] [S:DIRECT 7(502) + ] [L0: DSK:SWITCH.INI[1,2], error 0] [FL20: DSKB0:[1,7].UFD[1,1]] [FL1: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] USAGE OUT 374 <177> 12-Sep-01 DSKB: [1,7] [FL1: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] FAILUR LOG 4 <177> 22-Jul-01 [FL1: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] USEJOB BIN 129 <057> 6-Sep-01 [FL1: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] SYSDEV BIN 1 <057> 6-Sep-01 Total of 508 blocks in 4 files on DSKB: [1,7] . OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get this working again I'm backing up the RP06 image by copying it to my Sparc 20. I assume I only really needed to rename SYSDEV.BIN. Zane ###### From: bugs@netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: 12 Sep 2001 18:19:39 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9no8vr$s9k$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.21.58 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #121 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6687 "Zane H. Healy" writes: >OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. >Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get >this working again I'm backing up the RP06 image by copying it to my >Sparc 20. Another strategy is to get the LOGIN.EXE, REACT.EXE, and LOGOUT.EXE from the 7.02 cusp tape, put them on sys:, and create a regular old acct.sys. :-) Later Mark Hittinger Earthlink bugs@netcom.com ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 12 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:33:59 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:33:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6688 Zane H. Healy wrote: > OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK > and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no > password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. > Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get Man am I embarassed. There was nothing wrong with the passwords. User error. So now it looks like the system is back in operation. Now to take it down and copy the RP06 image! Zane ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 01 08:53:06 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <9nq62e$k08$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net>

X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY05KZUcA5gY7Ybftjk4E4JfzzZ40uugq27uEFzBdPeX4/x6IbEo1uP X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:42:06 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-148 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6693 In article , "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >Zane H. Healy wrote: >> OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >> and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >> password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. >> Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get > >Man am I embarassed. That's OK. It's an aspect of dealing with TOPS-10. Following false trails were common even for the gods. It's not telling about the confusion that's a sin ;-). > ..There was nothing wrong with the passwords. User >error. So now it looks like the system is back in operation. Now to take >it down and copy the RP06 image! But there's still that job 0 thing. There is no such thing as a job 0, AFAICT. There's still a big problem which is going to bite you in your nether regions at exactly the wrong time. How does it feel to play with a real system :-). There's nothing like a catastrophe to get the "aha! something to fix!" juices going. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 01 08:47:50 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 80 Message-ID: <9nq5oi$k08$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZATnEy0ShLu4rDE0w635y5+jxuIf5jgIZgse4QrG1Xh2ib88QUCjv1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:36:50 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-148 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6694 In article , "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> In article , >> "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >> > >>>? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil >>>e status = 400017 > >..R ACTDAE > >[S:ACTDAE 2(140) from DSKB0:ACTDAE.EXE[1,4]] >[ + GLXLIB 5(1522)] >[FL20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] >[FL20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] >[FE20: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] >[FL21: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] >[FE21: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] >[FL22: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] >[FE22: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] >[FL23: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] >[FE23: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] >? ACTDAE ACTDAE ACTRCF Cannot READ device checkpoint file for job 0, fil >e status = 400017 Sheesh! I can't remember what SYSDEV was for. > > >..dir dskb0:[1,7] >[S:DIRECT 7(502) + ] >[L0: DSK:SWITCH.INI[1,2], error 0] >[FL20: DSKB0:[1,7].UFD[1,1]] >[FL1: DSKB0:USAGE.OUT[1,7]] > > >USAGE OUT 374 <177> 12-Sep-01 DSKB: [1,7] >[FL1: DSKB0:FAILUR.LOG[1,7]] >FAILUR LOG 4 <177> 22-Jul-01 >[FL1: DSKB0:USEJOB.BIN[1,7]] >USEJOB BIN 129 <057> 6-Sep-01 >[FL1: DSKB0:SYSDEV.BIN[1,7]] >SYSDEV BIN 1 <057> 6-Sep-01 > Total of 508 blocks in 4 files on DSKB: [1,7] > >.. > >OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. Huh? This makes no sense. You did say you're running 7.03. This smacks of the mess created in 7.04 when they redid all of the access accounting files. >Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get >this working again I'm backing up the RP06 image by copying it to my >Sparc 20. That's always a good idea. But you did have a reproducible problem which I wouldn't like destroyed. You're going to have to wait for me to get a system so I can debug the damned thing. I can't seem to figure out how to tell a "customer" how to debug over the phone; it's a skill I never had a chance to improve. > >I assume I only really needed to rename SYSDEV.BIN. It looks that way. Save that SYSDEV.BAK file. But don't give it a BAK extension since that's an extension denoted as something that can get trashed. I'd pick SYSDEV.OOP. Those are letter Os, not zeroes. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 01 08:49:00 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9nq5qo$k08$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9no8vr$s9k$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZGnaismHrnJ5g1cvn+hGogAJGuLQl+pJP+Qngus7fd+aIePlTFCUDi X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:38:00 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-148 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6696 In article <9no8vr$s9k$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net>, bugs@netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) wrote: >"Zane H. Healy" writes: >>OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >>and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >>password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. >>Looks like I'll need to go in and reset them. All I know is that once I get >>this working again I'm backing up the RP06 image by copying it to my >>Sparc 20. > >Another strategy is to get the LOGIN.EXE, REACT.EXE, and LOGOUT.EXE from the >7.02 cusp tape, put them on sys:, and create a regular old acct.sys. :-) > We didn't fuck it up until 7.04 so 7.03 sets should be OK, too. Or am I very confused about my release numbers? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9nq5oi$k08$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 28 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:05:58 EDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:05:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!news-in!easynews!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6702 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >>and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >>password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. > Huh? This makes no sense. You did say you're running 7.03. > This smacks of the mess created in 7.04 when they redid all of > the access accounting files. Didn't the change to the accounting system take place in 7.03? At least based on what someone else stated in this thread it sounds that way. > That's always a good idea. But you did have a reproducible problem > which I wouldn't like destroyed. You're going to have to wait for > me to get a system so I can debug the damned thing. I can't seem > to figure out how to tell a "customer" how to debug over the phone; > it's a skill I never had a chance to improve. >> >>I assume I only really needed to rename SYSDEV.BIN. > It looks that way. Save that SYSDEV.BAK file. But don't > give it a BAK extension since that's an extension denoted > as something that can get trashed. I'd pick SYSDEV.OOP. > Those are letter Os, not zeroes. OK, I just renamed them to *.BI0 instead of *.BAK. Zane ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 7.03 login problem Date: Fri, 14 Sep 01 08:41:31 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <9nspou$gqv$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3B9ECB2F.1035CF3B@bartek.dontspamme.net> <9nnel9$gf4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9nq5oi$k08$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ0/h7Jatd//ckqrDJENmXIC2QBUj4AuHLNLu8Er4jmIretfTCs1GY/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2001 11:30:38 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-110 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:6714 In article , "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>>OK, here is what I did. I renamed USEJOB.BIN and SYSDEV.BIN to USEJOB.BAK >>>and SYSDEV.BAK and rebooted. Now I can login on my guest account (no >>>password), but the passwords for the other two accounts seem to be gone. > >> Huh? This makes no sense. You did say you're running 7.03. >> This smacks of the mess created in 7.04 when they redid all of >> the access accounting files. > >Didn't the change to the accounting system take place in 7.03? Sigh! I don't remember anymore. I didn't think so because Mastrovito and Feldeisen hadn't managed to get rid of JMF or me from the group. 7.04 was the timeframe when we got "removed" from all aspects of TOPS-10. > ...At least >based on what someone else stated in this thread it sounds that way. Yup. It does. I'd have to check the code. That's the real cite. > >> That's always a good idea. But you did have a reproducible problem >> which I wouldn't like destroyed. You're going to have to wait for >> me to get a system so I can debug the damned thing. I can't seem >> to figure out how to tell a "customer" how to debug over the phone; >> it's a skill I never had a chance to improve. >>> >>>I assume I only really needed to rename SYSDEV.BIN. > >> It looks that way. Save that SYSDEV.BAK file. But don't >> give it a BAK extension since that's an extension denoted >> as something that can get trashed. I'd pick SYSDEV.OOP. >> Those are letter Os, not zeroes. > >OK, I just renamed them to *.BI0 instead of *.BAK. I hope those last two characters aren't the number ten. (My font sucks, so I can't tell.) The thing that I would do is open up the SYSJOB file with FILDDT and just take a look at the contents. FILDDT was so good at "editing" binary data files. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.