From: "Heinz Wolter" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:03:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.143.93 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 985129393 64.230.143.93 (Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:03:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:03:13 EST Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4203 A friend told me someone had a KL without peripherals for sale on ebay a while ago... anyone know who was selling it? Was it sold and placed in good home? Heinz ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:09:18 -0800 Organization: Spies In The Wire Lines: 4 Message-ID: <998nuu$cli$1@spies.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: spies.com X-Trace: 20 Mar 2001 15:13:32 -0800, spies.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4216 From article , by "Heinz Wolter" : > Was it sold and placed in good home? Eric Smith has it. ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false. Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 20 Mar 2001 19:24:22 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 20 Mar 2001 19:28:03 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4189 "Heinz Wolter" writes: > A friend told me someone had a KL without peripherals > for sale on ebay a while ago... anyone know who was selling > it? Was it sold and placed in good home? It's a 1090 with an Ampex ARM-10 memory box. Only one RH20, only one DTE20 (for the front end), no CI20 or NIA20, and no disk or tape drives. It was stored in a barn, and squirrels made quite a horrible mess in the cabinets. It's going to need quite a bit of cleaning. This machine was last in service in 1994, IIRC. Most likely it will serve as a source of spares for a DECSYSTEM-2065 (which was pulled from service in September 2000). The 2065 is configured with four RH20s, six RP06es, two TU78s, and an NIA20. :-) ###### From: "Heinz Wolter" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:10:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.143.93 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 985216252 64.230.143.93 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:10:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:10:52 EST Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4254 "Eric Smith" wrote: > It was stored in a barn, and squirrels made quite a horrible mess > in the cabinets. It's going to need quite a bit of cleaning. > > This machine was last in service in 1994, IIRC. Most likely it will > serve as a source of spares for a DECSYSTEM-2065 (which was pulled > from service in September 2000). The 2065 is configured with four > RH20s, six RP06es, two TU78s, and an NIA20. :-) Nice system! full complement of peripherals. Congrats! Do you plan to spin the RP06s? TU78's are nice and fast.. The NIA20 is a communications front end/channel processor? Ether or just synchronous serial? Regards, Heinz ###### Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? In-Reply-To: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> Message-ID: References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:24:27 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.251.101.202 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 985216843 209.251.101.202 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:20:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:20:43 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!sakura.lunar-tokyo.net!dseagrav Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4229 On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Heinz Wolter wrote: > The NIA20 is a communications front end/channel processor? > Ether or just synchronous serial? No... NIA20 is Ethernet. ^_^ ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false. Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 21 Mar 2001 15:35:09 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 21 Mar 2001 15:38:59 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4253 "Heinz Wolter" writes: > Do you plan to spin the RP06s? TU78's are nice and fast.. The long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. But in the near term, I'll probably have to try to get an RP06 working. The "near term" probably isn't any nearer than fall 2001. The Massbus-ATAPI interface will probably be based on a Xilinx Spartan II FPGA with a soft microcontroller core. ###### From: "Heinz Wolter" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:23:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.150.251 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 985224224 64.230.150.251 (Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:23:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:23:44 EST Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4256 "Eric Smith" wrote in message > The > long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use > ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. But in the near term, snip snip > The Massbus-ATAPI interface will probably be based on a Xilinx Spartan II > FPGA with a soft microcontroller core. Very cool idea! You could easily get an 8051 core in there (or DEC's favourate 8080/85 with room to spare for fifos,ram and "rom" in the Spartan's ram blocks - and fill it all up on reset with a xilinx serial rom. Nice and clean, no external bytewide roms. I'd love one if you ever offer it as a product;) My own RP07x replacement plans center around interfacing the drive end of MASSBUS electronics to a linux box since it simulanteously solves the problem of how to get data on it- ie the TS10 emulator. Might work for tape too. If I can do it with some off the shelf parallel interface all the better. Eventually an FPGA on a PCI using dma would be nice. Would anyone happen to have a source for an RM02 drive side controller schematics ? Regards - Heinz ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false. Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 21 Mar 2001 19:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 21 Mar 2001 19:22:46 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4251 I wrote: > long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use > ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. [...] > The Massbus-ATAPI interface will probably be based on a Xilinx Spartan II > FPGA with a soft microcontroller core. "Heinz Wolter" writes: > Very cool idea! You could easily get an 8051 core in there (or DEC's > favourate 8080/85 I'll probably use a 16-bit or 32-bit RISC. CISC parts (even 8-bitters) tend to suck up too much real estate in an FPGA. > with room to spare for fifos,ram and "rom" in the > Spartan's ram blocks - and fill it all up on reset with a xilinx serial rom. Yup, that's the plan. :-) > external bytewide roms. I'd love one if you ever offer it as a product;) If I in fact get around to designing, building, and testing it, I will certainly make it available. > My own RP07x replacement plans center around interfacing > the drive end of MASSBUS electronics to a linux box since > it simulanteously solves the problem of how to get data on it- > ie the TS10 emulator. Might work for tape too. If I can do it > with some off the shelf parallel interface all the better. Eventually > an FPGA on a PCI using dma would be nice. I'm a bit dubioius about doing it with just a parallel interface. But if you had some FIFOs (not even very deep), I think it's doable. PCI bus mastering (DMA) is serious overkill for this, and makes writing a driver for it much more complicated. ###### Sender: prep@k9 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> From: Paul Repacholi Date: 22 Mar 2001 21:05:57 +0800 Message-ID: <87g0g654y2.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.61.201.199 X-Trace: 22 Mar 2001 20:46:21 +0800, 202.61.201.199 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!nntp!usenet.per.paradox.net.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4236 "Heinz Wolter" writes: > Would anyone happen to have a source for an RM02 drive side > controller schematics ? I should have them somewhere. They are the same for the RM02/3/5 BTW. A foot note. I had a house fire 10 years ago. Lost the PDP-6 IO cables and the 6-10 memory box adapter cables, and I think the KLs FE BA-11 and DHs. As a result, *some* of my manual and print set collection are here _somewhere_ and some are in storaage at the Australian Computer Museum Society (WA) about 20 miles away. The ned room looks like a DECbomb hit it, and finding stuff is an adventure... ( There is a KL, RP06, 4 RP07s, 11/70, TU16, memorex 667, 2 RM03, and 'stuff'... -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Date: 22 Mar 2001 23:32:03 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 985300325 561 10.0.3.2 (22 Mar 2001 22:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:32:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4261 Eric Smith writes: > I wrote: > > long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use > > ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. Any particular reason for not using SCSI (7/15 devices instead of 2)? > > The Massbus-ATAPI interface will probably be based on a Xilinx Spartan II > > FPGA with a soft microcontroller core. > > "Heinz Wolter" writes: > > Very cool idea! You could easily get an 8051 core in there (or DEC's > > favourate 8080/85 > > I'll probably use a 16-bit or 32-bit RISC. CISC parts (even 8-bitters) > tend to suck up too much real estate in an FPGA. Hmmm. If you wait long enough, my KI-10 is going into an Spartan-II. Its 36 bits as everyone knows. First KL with an KI as bus converter? :-) Of course it will eat CLBs for breakfast (I am going for XC2S200 chip). And require work in JBits. OTOH, it will have to have an SCSI as Massbus module (guess what I intend to store data on?). > > with room to spare for fifos,ram and "rom" in the > > Spartan's ram blocks - and fill it all up on reset with a xilinx serial rom. Spartan-II ROMs are not serial. They are selectable 1/2/4/8/16 bit wide and use explicit address bus. > > My own RP07x replacement plans center around interfacing > > the drive end of MASSBUS electronics to a linux box since A bit of overkill, if you ask me. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer ###### Message-ID: <3ABA3DA5.58F0D5E8@trailing-edge.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:00:05 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 985302006 15468 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4270 Eric Smith wrote: > > I wrote: > > long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use > > ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. > > Neil Franklin wrote: > > Any particular reason for not using SCSI (7/15 devices instead of 2)? > > Yes. Because ATAPI ZIP 250 drives are much cheaper than SCSI ones. Also > Iomega does not sell bare SCSI ZIP 250 drives. This project will be > a fixed-function RP06 replacement, so SCSI doesn't offer any advantage. You may want to seriously think about magneto-optical drives. The Iomega Zip drives use proprietary media, while there are open ISO/IEC standards for MO media and drives. MO disks also have superior expected archival properties. Tim. ###### Message-ID: <3ABA48A4.5C2162A6@trailing-edge.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:47:00 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3ABA3DA5.58F0D5E8@trailing-edge.com> <7x1yrpbcnq.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 985304821 12682 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4269 Paul Rubin wrote: > > Tim Shoppa writes: > > You may want to seriously think about magneto-optical drives. The > > Iomega Zip drives use proprietary media, while there are open > > ISO/IEC standards for MO media and drives. > > > > MO disks also have superior expected archival properties. > > I think the RP06 was also proprietary and its archival properties were > nothing to write home about ;-). Actually, there were multiple sources of RP06 packs up through the early 90's. But you do have a point: even though some have had bad experiences with Zip drives and media, Zips are probably more reliable than RP06's ever were. > Seriously, the cool thing about a Zip > is you can unmount the "pack" and pop it into a PC to copy off the data > to hard disc, cd-r, or whatever. I can do that with my MO media, too :-). Tim. ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false. Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:53:42 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 22 Mar 2001 14:57:43 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4280 I wrote: > long term plan is to build a Massbus-ATAPI interface and use > ATAPI ZIP 250 drives for RP06 emulation. Neil Franklin wrote: > Any particular reason for not using SCSI (7/15 devices instead of 2)? Yes. Because ATAPI ZIP 250 drives are much cheaper than SCSI ones. Also Iomega does not sell bare SCSI ZIP 250 drives. This project will be a fixed-function RP06 replacement, so SCSI doesn't offer any advantage. "Heinz Wolter" wrote: > with room to spare for fifos,ram and "rom" in the > Spartan's ram blocks - and fill it all up on reset with a xilinx serial rom. Neil Franklin wrote: > Spartan-II ROMs are not serial. They are selectable 1/2/4/8/16 bit > wide and use explicit address bus. We're talking about the serial configuration PROMs used to load the configuration into the Spartan-II. They are either 1-bit wide serial, or (optionally on XC18V00 series) 8-bit wide parallel. In neither case do they use an address bus; the addressing is purely sequential and occurs inside the PROM. ###### Sender: phr2001-nospam@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3ABA3DA5.58F0D5E8@trailing-edge.com> Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:35:05 -0800 Message-ID: <7x1yrpbcnq.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Organization: Nightsong/Fort GNOX Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 22 Mar 2001 15:39:06 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.190.198.17.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!204.94.211.44!enews.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4282 Tim Shoppa writes: > You may want to seriously think about magneto-optical drives. The > Iomega Zip drives use proprietary media, while there are open > ISO/IEC standards for MO media and drives. > > MO disks also have superior expected archival properties. I think the RP06 was also proprietary and its archival properties were nothing to write home about ;-). Seriously, the cool thing about a Zip is you can unmount the "pack" and pop it into a PC to copy off the data to hard disc, cd-r, or whatever. ###### From: not-a-real-address@usa.net (those who know me have no need of my name) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:53:03 -0000 Organization: earthfriends Message-ID: References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Linux) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!isdnet!grolier!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-a-real-address Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4279 divulged: >Iomega does not sell bare SCSI ZIP 250 drives. not that it matters, but actually they do. model 10933. i've got 2. -- okay, have a sig then ###### From: "Heinz Wolter" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1hyu6.438037$Pm2.6849915@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:11:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.150.251 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 985313469 64.230.150.251 (Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:11:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:11:09 EST Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!193.154.160.102.MISMATCH!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4283 > Spartan-II ROMs are not serial. They are selectable 1/2/4/8/16 bit > wide and use explicit address bus. Seems to me that a one bit wide rom is serial ...;) > > > > > My own RP07x replacement plans center around interfacing > > > the drive end of MASSBUS electronics to a linux box since > > A bit of overkill, if you ask me. perhaps - but since I have no tape drives and no RP's, TS10 provides the only way to get tape images onto a virtual drive. Also, I'm lazy and want to get it up and running quickly - probably up and running before your KI is ;) How is that going by the way? I am keenly interested since I'm planning to use Spartan II (Or Virtex-E ) for my KL. There's also the divine justice of having an inferior intel processor as slave to a '10... Regards, Heinz ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KL for sale on Ebay a while ago? Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:14:53 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 67 Message-ID: <6uae6cuo82.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <0yau6.433565$Pm2.6725248@news20.bellglobal.com> <6u7l1hfna4.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <1hyu6.438037$Pm2.6849915@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 985385694 767 10.0.3.2 (23 Mar 2001 22:14:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2001 22:14:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:4284 "Heinz Wolter" writes: > > Spartan-II ROMs are not serial. They are selectable 1/2/4/8/16 bit > > wide and use explicit address bus. > > Seems to me that a one bit wide rom is serial ...;) Serial implies only 1. :-) But as Eric said, he with ROMs meant config ->P<-ROMs. And they are allways 1 bit (at least the 17Sxx which Xilinx calls Spartan-II PROMs). I had miss-read ROMs as the Spartan-II BRAMs used in ROM mode. > > > > My own RP07x replacement plans center around interfacing > > > > the drive end of MASSBUS electronics to a linux box since > > > > A bit of overkill, if you ask me. > > perhaps - but since I have no tape drives and no RP's, TS10 provides the > only way to get tape images onto a virtual drive. Have TS-10 write onto a disk and then take that disk out of the PC and put it onto an standalone KL->Disk interface. > probably up and running > before your KI is ;) I was refering to Erics 'The "near term" probably isn't any nearer than fall 2001.' remark. If you want it faster, then no chance. > How is that going by the way? I am keenly interested > since I'm planning to use Spartan II (Or Virtex-E ) for my KL. Present state is: First iteration will include: 32 word memory (pair of LUTs per bit), address and data muxes, program counter, instruction register, instr decoder for 4xx, arithmetic register and boolean logic unit. Of that I have done: data path elements: designed, layouted, coded [1] control logic elements: designed, layouted [2], coding this weekend wiring all the elements: next on the list [1] http://neil.franklin.ch/Projects/PDP-10/src/pdp10.java [2] http://neil.franklin.ch/Projects/PDP-10/Time-States I hope to have the first instructions executed before I go on easter holiday. > There's also the divine justice of having an inferior intel processor as > slave to a '10... Did we not see this on the KS? Hmmm, I suppose one could see loading microcode as ruling over, so this would be the late humiliation. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer