Message-ID: <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 91 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.19.142.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983135599 207.19.142.246 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:19 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!195.25.12.36.MISMATCH!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3246 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net>, > StrangeBrew wrote: > : Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > ... > : > I like to think of the PDP-10 as a clipper ship -- the ultimate in a > : > certain kind of technology that was superseded by some other kind of > : > technology. Everybody appreciates a clipper ship for what it is, > : > without trying to put rocket boosters on it. > : > : Hmmm, good comment. Makes me think back to the coffee cups, > : the ones with the ships on them - we in eng got the seconds, > : the ones where the seem did not line up with the handle, > : what was on those, 2020, 2060, something, brain cells lost > : that had the actual image. > : > I still have one. Actually it has a small single-masted sailboat > rather than a clipper ship. The Sail says "10/20". On the other > side of the cup it says Large Computer Group. > > The sailboat allusion was to "Smooth sailing through the 80s", LCG's > slogan, laden with irony. Here it is 2001 and my cup is in fine > shape but I don't see any large DEC computers in the neighborhood. > > - Frank Perhaps I could have been clearer in what I meant about a logo. What I was getting at was that with the Linux things, people have their own websites describing their projects. In fact, IIRC, there are Linux webrings to get you to the next website related to Linux. Since people were interested in doing further development once Mr. Stark's emulator was released, what I was hinting at was a way to identify that the owner had sprouted from Mr. Stark's work. That person's website would describe that they were implemented xxx.yyy or whatever version of the software beyond the basic TS-10. Then there would be an URL that could be clicked on & the TOPs-10 or -20 or TENEX or whatever character-only screen would come up for interaction. Of course, this would be entirely optional depending on the developer's Internet resources. See : http://www.pdp8.net/ in which David Gesswein has a real-live hardware PDP-8E connected to th WWW. Check it out. IMHO, someone could do the equivalent in emulation. Then at the bottom, there could be explicit links to other people in this newsgroups' webpages that described their work. Or a webring could be implemented. Seen them, don't know how to do them. Need help in this area. Also, since there ARPANET was more collaborative than competitive & keeping in mind that Stanford (or SRI) developed S.A.I.L. for the -10 on the ARPANET, IIRC, that would add weight to the previous comments on the DEC or Digital or Dec posters & mugs. :) I hope that I have provided clarification on the misread. I'm totally against gee-gaws and fancy bells & whistles and webpages that eat up expensive energy/time/bandwidth. Ken --- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 25 Feb 2001 21:27:38 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 983136458 24267 10.0.0.43 (25 Feb 2001 21:27:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2001 21:27:38 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.usenet2.org!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3274 I like the sailboat. People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on BSD can use Chuck... -- Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC. WWFD? "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans) ###### Message-ID: <3A9982B7.F0715FB0@srv.net> From: Kevin Handy Organization: Software Solutions, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:11:11 EST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:09:59 -0700 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3290 Peter da Silva wrote: > > I like the sailboat. > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > BSD can use Chuck... and people running it on VMS can have sharks circling the boat. People running on windows can show a sunken boat, with just the top part of the sail showing, with a flag flapping in the breeze. -- The people who vote do not determine the outcome of an election, it is the people who count the votes -- Joseph Stalin The counting isn't done, until the Democrats have won -- Algore ###### Message-ID: <3A998C41.D32777F9@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A9982B7.F0715FB0@srv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:50:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.19.142.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983141406 207.19.142.246 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:50:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:50:06 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3247 Kevin Handy wrote: > > Peter da Silva wrote: > > > > I like the sailboat. > > > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > > BSD can use Chuck... > > and people running it on VMS can have sharks circling the boat. > > People running on windows can show a sunken boat, with just the > top part of the sail showing, with a flag flapping in the breeze. > > -- > The people who vote do not determine the outcome of an election, > it is the people who count the votes -- Joseph Stalin > > The counting isn't done, until the Democrats have won -- Algore To both of you - good job & ROTFLMAO ! Ken --- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 25 Feb 2001 15:04:26 -0800 Organization: Spies In The Wire Lines: 6 Message-ID: <97c31q$6lc$1@spies.com> References: <3A998C41.D32777F9@mail.bcpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: spies.com X-Trace: 25 Feb 2001 15:05:45 -0800, spies.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3293 From article <3A998C41.D32777F9@mail.bcpl.net>, by Ken McMonigal : >> > >> > I like the sailboat. Maybe, someday, it will even run MAINSAIL! ###### From: Arthur Krewat Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Organization: Kilonet.net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:35:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.190.219.48 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 983144153 24.190.219.48 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:35:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:35:53 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp1.njy.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3279 Peter da Silva wrote: > > I like the sailboat. > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > BSD can use Chuck... What about us people running Solaris on X86? And by the way, Solaris 7 kicks ASS on a 80486 (haven't had a change to try 8). I also can't wait to see how fast it is on a 450Mhz Ultra-sparc. Cut it out with the Linux propaganda already! The only people I know running Linux have been hacked into while running firewall software, and became a PING relay. The fact that they are STILL running Linux in no way reflects their IQ. As a local newspaper ran a story today: The biggest reason that there are so many viruses that run against Microsoft Outlook is that 90% of the PC's are running it. Welcome to Linux! I'm all for UNIX - but the rag-tag way of developing Linux has been my biggest reason to stay away. The only anti-anything you will hear from me is about Linux ... :) But, hey, I'm still running single and dual 433Mhz Celerons and a few Pentium 166Mhz's. art k. ###### From: "Don Chiasson" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:53:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.42.241.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 983145209 24.42.241.65 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:53:29 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:53:29 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3287 Peter da Silva wrote in message news:97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com... > I like the sailboat. > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, > people running it on > BSD can use Chuck... > But..... a sailboat was a logo for the DEC20: single mast, in the standard orange, with a striped mainsail. I still have a little cloth one stuck on my Linux machine. Don ###### Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: now: logo clarification In-Reply-To: <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:51:32 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.251.101.202 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 983152193 209.251.101.202 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:49:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:49:53 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!sakura.lunar-tokyo.net!dseagrav Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3251 On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Arthur Krewat wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > > > > I like the sailboat. > > > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > > BSD can use Chuck... > > What about us people running Solaris on X86? And by the way, Solaris 7 kicks > ASS on a 80486 (haven't had a change to try 8). Yeah, what if I want to run this on my PowerMac? ^_^ ###### From: Erno Palonheimo Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 26 Feb 2001 04:19:44 +0200 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: theremin.hut.fi X-Trace: nntp.hut.fi 983153985 30831 130.233.200.16 (26 Feb 2001 02:19:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nntp.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 02:19:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3271 Daniel Seagraves writes: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Arthur Krewat wrote: > > > What about us people running Solaris on X86? And by the way, > > Solaris 7 kicks ASS on a 80486 (haven't had a change to try 8). > > Yeah, what if I want to run this on my PowerMac? ^_^ Why not try NetBSD? :-) -- Erno Palonheimo ; esp@iki.fi ; http://iki.fi/esp/ ; +358505604765 ###### From: Arthur Krewat Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Organization: Kilonet.net Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3A99CA41.E7CA7468@bartek.dontspamme.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:15:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.190.219.48 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 983157351 24.190.219.48 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:15:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:15:51 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3276 Daniel Seagraves wrote: > > > What about us people running Solaris on X86? And by the way, Solaris 7 kicks > > ASS on a 80486 (haven't had a change to try 8). > > Yeah, what if I want to run this on my PowerMac? ^_^ There was a version for PowerPC for a while, but it died a quick death... If memory serves. art k. ###### From: Mark Garrett Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Organization: Garetech Computer Solutions Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:39:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.244.163 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 983158746 144.132.244.163 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:39:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:39:06 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3260 in article Pine.LNX.4.21.0102251950070.5308-100000@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net, Daniel Seagraves at dseagrav@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net wrote on 26/02/2001 12:51: > > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Arthur Krewat wrote: > >> Peter da Silva wrote: >>> >>> I like the sailboat. >>> >>> People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on >>> BSD can use Chuck... >> >> What about us people running Solaris on X86? And by the way, Solaris 7 kicks >> ASS on a 80486 (haven't had a change to try 8). > > Yeah, what if I want to run this on my PowerMac? ^_^ You have a Mac as well, how about that:) MacOS9 is nearly useless to me since they took away pre-emptive threads some time back. So either I change to a dual processor or wait till I can upgrade to the production release of OSX Also even though I like the speed (esp fp using the vector processor) PPC still a 32bit chip, alpha is still my only target ;) btw linux is ok when linux is all you have but it suck compared to just about any commercial Unix ! And if your talking freeware Unix NetBSD is much my preference, linux like MS is common not great ;) cheers Mark :) ###### Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 From: Daniel Seagraves Subject: Re: now: logo clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:27:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.251.101.202 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 983172341 209.251.101.202 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:25:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:25:41 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!sakura.lunar-tokyo.net!dseagrav Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3252 On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Mark Garrett wrote: > > Yeah, what if I want to run this on my PowerMac? ^_^ Guys, I meanwhat would the TS-10 icon look like? Maybe a sailboat hauling crates of Apples? ^_^ > You have a Mac as well, how about that:) MacOS9 is nearly useless to me > since they took away pre-emptive threads some time back. So either I change > to a dual processor or wait till I can upgrade to the production release of > OSX I refused to "upgrade" past OS 7.5.5. OS 8 and over are the Windows 95 versions of the MacOS, they're all nasty and bloated and stuff. > btw linux is ok when linux is all you have but it suck compared to just > about any commercial Unix ! I dunno about that... Solaris x86 didn't like my video card at all, and V7 Unix wasn't too great... 2.9BSD was OK, and I never got 2.11 to boot on my machine - I had an Emulex SCSI <> MSCP controller that had a small bug in the MSCP emulation, it kept BSD from booting. So I have a very large paperweight, as my RSTS tapes went bad. Linux works just fine as far as I have used it. BTW: It's not Linux's fault if some admins don't heed security bulletins and fail to update vulnerable binaries. ###### From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:34:59 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <97dm23$1meg$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 983194499 55760 10.0.0.43 (26 Feb 2001 13:34:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:34:59 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.usenet2.org!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3272 In article <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net>, Arthur Krewat wrote: >Peter da Silva wrote: >> I like the sailboat. >> People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on >> BSD can use Chuck... >What about us people running Solaris on X86? The biggest problem with Sun is they don't have a cute mascot. Maybe you could use an intel bunny guy. >Cut it out with the Linux propaganda already! I *really* think you have me confused with someone else. I prefer Tru64, FreeBSD, Solaris, and only use Linux under protest. >As a local newspaper ran a story today: The biggest reason that there >are so many viruses that run against Microsoft Outlook is that 90% of >the PC's are running it. Welcome to Linux! Your local newspaper is wrong. There used to be this virus hoax going around about this thing called the GOOD TIMES virus. The GOOD TIMES virus was able to infect your computer just by opening your mail. Everyone knew it was a hoax because nobody would be stupid enough to create a mail program that would execute code received from strangers just by opening a message. Not only does Outlook do that, it does it in several different ways, some of which only require you to *click on a message* to get infected, because Outlook display messages and message previews using the same HTML rendering engine that Windows Explorer uses... it just "protects" you by filtering out features in the "internet zone". This is mind boggling. -- Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC. WWFD? "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans) ###### From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:37:23 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <97dm6j$1mnl$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 983194643 56053 10.0.0.43 (26 Feb 2001 13:37:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:37:23 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.usenet2.org!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3278 In article , Daniel Seagraves wrote: >Guys, I meanwhat would the TS-10 icon look like? Would someone dig up and post on their web page a copy of the LCG sailboat? >I refused to "upgrade" past OS 7.5.5. OS 8 and over are the Windows 95 >versions of the MacOS, they're all nasty and bloated and stuff. 7.1 here, I couldn't get 7.5 installed on my SE/30. -- Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC. WWFD? "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans) ###### From: Arthur Krewat Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Organization: Kilonet.net Lines: 93 Message-ID: <3A9AA367.CE538F85@bartek.dontspamme.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> <97dm23$1meg$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:45:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.190.219.48 X-Trace: news02.optonline.net 983213150 24.190.219.48 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:45:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:45:50 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news01.optonline.net!news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3277 Peter da Silva wrote: > > >> People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > >> BSD can use Chuck... > > >What about us people running Solaris on X86? > > The biggest problem with Sun is they don't have a cute mascot. Maybe you could > use an intel bunny guy. I use an old Sun-1 plaque on my Solaris PC :) They used to have, what the hell was it, some kinda dog - maybe a retriever of some sort. His name was "network" or something - like "Go, network, go fetch!" ... yeah, that marketing brainstorm lasted about 3 months. Now, if we all could take the effort it took to even start this thread, and put it into figuring out a "hardware driver" scheme to plug "boards" into the TS-10 and maybe be compatible with the KL10 emulator, that would be GREAT! Major devices: KL10: Massbus/frontend (e11?). KS10: various Unibus, including DZ11, DEUNA for the TOPS-20 people (unusable from TOPS-10 unless you want DECNET - which wouldn't be bad, actually). > >Cut it out with the Linux propaganda already! > > I *really* think you have me confused with someone else. I prefer Tru64, > FreeBSD, Solaris, and only use Linux under protest. I was being sarcastic ... I haven't used FreeBSD since pre 3.x days, but it was all I ran before Intel Solaris came out at $18. For customers, I use only the big-boys and no Microsoft, unless it is in the specification. > >As a local newspaper ran a story today: The biggest reason that there > >are so many viruses that run against Microsoft Outlook is that 90% of > >the PC's are running it. Welcome to Linux! > > Your local newspaper is wrong. I know, there was more I was going to say, but it got lost in the bit bucket known as my skull. I think the idiot writing that article doesn't want to anger "Monopolsoft". He never mentioned the connection between Outlook being Ultra-insecure and the fact that people write viruses for it because of it's insecure state. The fact it's on 90% of the machines out there only adds to the problem. So much for "IT" journalists. Microsoft's latest marketing scheme of bypassing the people with any knowledge and going straight for the VP's is working. I have seen a few companies lately taking the MS approach, and all the IT people are saying they are being forced into it from on-high. Interesting times. > There used to be this virus hoax going around about this thing called the > GOOD TIMES virus. The GOOD TIMES virus was able to infect your computer > just by opening your mail. Everyone knew it was a hoax because nobody > would be stupid enough to create a mail program that would execute code > received from strangers just by opening a message. Yeah, I was forwarded that warning by users for over 6 years and usually at least once a month. I explained to the user that the only "virus" was him/her, sending me another damn hoax! In effect it was a virus, as it generated a lot of email, but required user intervention. I don't even think it would break the law. > Not only does Outlook do that, it does it in several different ways, some > of which only require you to *click on a message* to get infected, because > Outlook display messages and message previews using the same HTML rendering > engine that Windows Explorer uses... it just "protects" you by filtering out > features in the "internet zone". Amazing - kiddies playing with toys in the big-world. I am constantly reminded of high-school students taking the most recent version of Catwars and changing the latest genocide weapon to the flavor-of-the-week and calling it their own. As another high-school student, I converted it from BASIC to Algol, that way they couldn't copy it and change it anymore. The .EXE just proliferated around the system, so that when I became a consultant, I had the job of deleting over 100 of them! > This is mind boggling. They are trying to write people like you and me out of the picture by making everything so "user-friendly" they don't need to call someone to type a few commands on their machine as root. The past dark incantations of a chain-smoking (not me), coffee drinking hacker fixing some bad bug somewhere are gone. These days, you download the newest driver, which always fixes everything. It seems they don't even bother putting the latest of everything on the CD (mostly Windows, but I've seen it with RedHat, strangely enough). art k. ps: As machine have gotten smaller, my posture is getting worse. :) ###### From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 27 Feb 2001 02:14:18 GMT Organization: Chez Inwap Lines: 15 Message-ID: <97f2hq$1irp$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97dm6j$1mnl$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell3.ba.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 983240058 52089 206.184.139.134 (27 Feb 2001 02:14:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@best.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2001 02:14:18 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!inwap Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3263 In article <97dm6j$1mnl$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>, Peter da Silva wrote: >In article , >Daniel Seagraves wrote: >>Guys, I meanwhat would the TS-10 icon look like? > >Would someone dig up and post on their web page a copy of the LCG sailboat? I have three of the embroidered ones stuck to DECUS convention badges. http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/images/DecusBadges.jpg -Joe -- See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages. ###### From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 27 Feb 2001 02:16:49 GMT Organization: Chez Inwap Lines: 16 Message-ID: <97f2mh$1j4b$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell3.ba.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 983240209 52363 206.184.139.134 (27 Feb 2001 02:16:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@best.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2001 02:16:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!inwap Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3254 In article , Don Chiasson wrote: > >Peter da Silva wrote in message >news:97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com... >> I like the sailboat. > > But..... a sailboat was a logo for the DEC20: single mast, in the >standard orange, with a striped mainsail. I still have a little cloth one >stuck on my Linux machine. Yep. 1.3 inches high, 1.1 inches wide. Scan added to http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/ . -Joe -- See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: Fri, 02 Mar 01 10:13:33 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <97o0bi$13$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com> <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <97miad$ffq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYzgJM9xkTafuNQ/sHffw/vd3JHoSVbRbESr6ziHdvHK86zP18c7wNX X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2001 11:32:02 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-235 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3320 In article <97miad$ffq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote: >In article <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>That poster was one of the three that JMF had hanging in his office. >>I have it now. > >Can you scan it? I don't have the hardware. Jim had three posters that should be scanned. One is a marketroid picture of a KI system with a SYSTAT on the VT05 and the other is the hardware configuration of the 5-CPU SMP system at ORNL. > >>we ever produced. If you really looked at it, you could figure >>out exactly how DEC would end up. > >Making an ash of itself? > That and shooting itself in the foot. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: Thu, 01 Mar 01 09:12:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa93qh7ybjwGfNgjtvtefkXtKeUEsrHRV3wJmuEGwSGafIzk9FvuVLX X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2001 10:30:31 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-158 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3326 In article <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote: >peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > >> I like the sailboat. >> >> People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on >> BSD can use Chuck... > >But if anyone has the LCG poster, carefull examination will reveal >the boat was named > >Phoenix > That poster was one of the three that JMF had hanging in his office. I have it now. I think it was one of the saddest portents that we ever produced. If you really looked at it, you could figure out exactly how DEC would end up. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Sender: prep@k9 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> From: Paul Repacholi Date: 01 Mar 2001 04:01:09 +0800 Message-ID: <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.61.201.133 X-Trace: 1 Mar 2001 03:51:56 +0800, 202.61.201.133 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!andromeda.datanet.hu!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.waia.asn.au!usenet.per.paradox.net.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3342 peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > I like the sailboat. > > People running it on Linux can have Tux at the tiller, people running it on > BSD can use Chuck... But if anyone has the LCG poster, carefull examination will reveal the boat was named Phoenix -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. ###### From: hmv@port.ac.uk (Mike Meredith at home) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:26:04 +0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Sender: mike@port.ac.uk Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A997594.BF741654@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-103.angrenost.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 983486945 23981 62.136.112.231 (1 Mar 2001 22:49:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2001 22:49:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!andromeda.datanet.hu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!lucifer!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3312 In article <3A999654.6F8CACE5@bartek.dontspamme.net>, Arthur Krewat writes: > I also can't wait to see how fast it is on a 450Mhz Ultra-sparc. Cut it out > with the Linux propaganda already! The only people I know running Linux > have been hacked into while running firewall software, and became > a PING relay. The fact that they are STILL running Linux in no way > reflects their IQ. Well as someone who occasionally traces back where all those funny packets are coming from, 2/3 of the cracked boxes out there are running Linux, 2/3 of the remainder are running Solaris (SPARC), etc. (stats made up, but they feel right) If you don't secure your box, and it isn't behind a strong firewall it's going to get broken into. Doesn't matter what you're running. ###### From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification Date: 1 Mar 2001 22:26:21 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <97miad$ffq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com> <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 983485581 15866 10.0.0.43 (1 Mar 2001 22:26:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2001 22:26:21 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.usenet2.org!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3346 In article <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >That poster was one of the three that JMF had hanging in his office. >I have it now. Can you scan it? >we ever produced. If you really looked at it, you could figure >out exactly how DEC would end up. Making an ash of itself? -- Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC. WWFD? "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans) ###### Message-ID: <3A9ED1C4.116F4DFF@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: now: logo clarification References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97btca$nmb$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <871ysimvay.fsf@prep.synonet.com> <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net> <97miad$ffq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:48:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.242.127.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983486872 208.242.127.53 (Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:47:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:47:52 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3322 Peter da Silva wrote: > > In article <97l8c7$dh3$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >That poster was one of the three that JMF had hanging in his office. > >I have it now. > > Can you scan it? > > snip > Suggest digital camera? -- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual."