Message-ID: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:59:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.242.127.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983105915 208.242.127.95 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:58:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:58:35 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3228 For the TS-10: 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) 2) size of partition (effectively) - I understand that the file system is one big file on the PC. Thus source + object code (etc.) + file system = n MB n = ? 3) Also, what development system? (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) 4) Again, your website & general FAQ's, please. 5) General question to folks: At vax sites with more than one machine, administrators would name machines like cobalt, emerald, etc., or Snoopy, Linus, etc. Was there ever a "humanizing" (I know I'm not saying this right) labeling done at sites or DEC like the phenomenon of the penguin for Linux? Did people put pictures or signs on machines? The only thing I every saw was that stuff that you punch letter at a time that reminded you what to do on booting (ugly). Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon on our websites. As an aside, today I will venture into the land of the penquin, with some reluctance. (Linux reference) TIA, Ken --- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### Message-ID: <3A990DAF.863ACFC6@bellatlantic.net> From: StrangeBrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:46:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.88.74.179 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 983108799 138.88.74.179 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:46:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:46:39 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3231 Ken McMonigal wrote: > > For the TS-10: > > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) > > 2) size of partition (effectively) - I understand that the file > system is one big file on the PC. > > Thus source + object code (etc.) + file system = n MB > > n = ? > > 3) Also, what development system? > (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) > > 4) Again, your website & general FAQ's, please. > > 5) General question to folks: > At vax sites with more than one machine, administrators would > name machines like cobalt, emerald, etc., or Snoopy, Linus, etc. > > Was there ever a "humanizing" (I know I'm not saying this right) > labeling done at sites or DEC like the phenomenon of the penguin > for Linux? Did people put pictures or signs on machines? > > The only thing I every saw was that stuff that you punch letter > at a time that reminded you what to do on booting (ugly). Great questions! > > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > on our websites. > Don't walrus or walrii eat penguins and seals? > > > As an aside, today I will venture into the land of the penquin, > with some reluctance. (Linux reference) > > TIA, > > Ken > > --- > > The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after > finding > 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), > would > print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### Sender: prep@k9 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A990DAF.863ACFC6@bellatlantic.net> From: Paul Repacholi Date: 25 Feb 2001 23:37:23 +0800 Message-ID: <878zmubwp8.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.d01.pe.iqnet.net.au X-Trace: 25 Feb 2001 22:52:35 +0800, 165.d01.pe.iqnet.net.au Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.waia.asn.au!usenet.per.paradox.net.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3233 StrangeBrew writes: > > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or > > whatever that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put > > that icon on our websites. > Don't walrus or walrii eat penguins and seals? A Lepard Seal! -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. ###### From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 25 Feb 2001 17:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 983120415 8779 128.59.39.2 (25 Feb 2001 17:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2001 17:00:15 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3238 In article <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net>, Ken McMonigal wrote: : ... : Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever : that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon : on our websites. : Might I suggest that we remember that PDP-10 operating systems were completely and totally plain-text in their every aspect, and we should be proud of it. If we want spinning blinking smiling winking logos, we have enough of them already with Windows, Mac, and now Linux. I like to think of the PDP-10 as a clipper ship -- the ultimate in a certain kind of technology that was superseded by some other kind of technology. Everybody appreciates a clipper ship for what it is, without trying to put rocket boosters on it. - Frank ###### Message-ID: <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> From: StrangeBrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:26:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.88.74.179 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 983121996 138.88.74.179 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:26:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:26:36 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3229 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net>, > Ken McMonigal wrote: > : ... > : Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > : that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > : on our websites. > : > Might I suggest that we remember that PDP-10 operating systems were > completely and totally plain-text in their every aspect, and we should > be proud of it. If we want spinning blinking smiling winking logos, > we have enough of them already with Windows, Mac, and now Linux. > > I like to think of the PDP-10 as a clipper ship -- the ultimate in a > certain kind of technology that was superseded by some other kind of > technology. Everybody appreciates a clipper ship for what it is, > without trying to put rocket boosters on it. Hmmm, good comment. Makes me think back to the coffee cups, the ones with the ships on them - we in eng got the seconds, the ones where the seem did not line up with the handle, what was on those, 2020, 2060, something, brain cells lost that had the actual image. bob > > - Frank ###### From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 25 Feb 2001 17:51:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 983123517 11148 128.59.39.2 (25 Feb 2001 17:51:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2001 17:51:57 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!phl-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3239 In article <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net>, StrangeBrew wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > ... : > I like to think of the PDP-10 as a clipper ship -- the ultimate in a : > certain kind of technology that was superseded by some other kind of : > technology. Everybody appreciates a clipper ship for what it is, : > without trying to put rocket boosters on it. : : Hmmm, good comment. Makes me think back to the coffee cups, : the ones with the ships on them - we in eng got the seconds, : the ones where the seem did not line up with the handle, : what was on those, 2020, 2060, something, brain cells lost : that had the actual image. : I still have one. Actually it has a small single-masted sailboat rather than a clipper ship. The Sail says "10/20". On the other side of the cup it says Large Computer Group. The sailboat allusion was to "Smooth sailing through the 80s", LCG's slogan, laden with irony. Here it is 2001 and my cup is in fine shape but I don't see any large DEC computers in the neighborhood. - Frank ###### Message-ID: <3A991459.74BD9D12@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:19:05 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A9958F2.12920024@MA.UltraNet.Com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader3.news.uu.net 983128745 156 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader3.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3230 Alan H. Martin wrote: > > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > > on our websites. > > Much of what little anti-Unix sentiment I've noticed in this newsgroup > has always struck me as highly misplaced. Hey, I resemble that remark! That said, I complain so loudly about Unix because my job requires me to understand the disadvantages of various Unix versions - both superficial and fundamental - in great detail. And I'm the guy who is in charge of replacing 40 Jupiter's at work with Linux workstations. (No, not "PDP-10-type" Jupiter's. They're 4 to 8-screen X-terminals, see http://www.jupiter.com/ to see some of the display wall offerings. That said, we see much better cost effectiveness with PC-clone hardware and XFree86 > /AHM > -- > Alan Howard Martin AMartin@MA.UltraNet.Com ###### From: R.J.S. Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Organization: Very Organized Message-ID: <2vmi9t4vafmk9vrf5mhb68vbh6v3ejtbs0@4ax.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.2 X-Original-Trace: 25 Feb 2001 14:31:15 -0500, 192.168.1.2 Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:36:30 CST X-Trace: sv2-7xsdfNY9CsB6PxVVxgqy5uBrkcBO705rfHR4HjwzDkN8e2h9SR2e9k6n5K9XfFX+hv9IuAsQ8ceNEcQ!k9gLXbsjNH1QqoEF2xGm7t5a7uFSDQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:15 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!barn.net1plus.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3240 >Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever >that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon >on our websites. Actually, a rather obscure but fitting (IMHO) would be a picture of the "Gray Cape Lounge". For those not from 10/20 development. it was the name used for the house where Dana Lajoie and Steve Midell lived, and the site of a rather largish engineering party every 3 months or so. Some of the best times I remember were at parties there. At one point in time, Steve, and, I think Dana, bought Prosche 924's. When they were parked front and center at the party, Bob Houk asked "Do they float like other Volkswagens?" I nearly spit out my drink. ###### Sender: prep@k9 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <3A994139.ED40A185@bellatlantic.net> <97bgnt$asc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> From: Paul Repacholi Date: 26 Feb 2001 03:52:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87wvae8rqo.fsf@prep.synonet.com> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.d01.pe.iqnet.net.au X-Trace: 26 Feb 2001 03:20:12 +0800, 165.d01.pe.iqnet.net.au Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.tele.dk!195.238.2.15!skynet.be!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.waia.asn.au!usenet.per.paradox.net.au!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3235 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : Hmmm, good comment. Makes me think back to the coffee cups, > : the ones with the ships on them - we in eng got the seconds, > : the ones where the seem did not line up with the handle, > : what was on those, 2020, 2060, something, brain cells lost > : that had the actual image. > : > I still have one. Actually it has a small single-masted sailboat > rather than a clipper ship. The Sail says "10/20". On the other > side of the cup it says Large Computer Group. > > The sailboat allusion was to "Smooth sailing through the 80s", LCG's > slogan, laden with irony. Here it is 2001 and my cup is in fine > shape but I don't see any large DEC computers in the neighborhood. If that is the same as the poster, there is a further irony. Anyone remember the name of the boat? ( yes, we could use it as a 'mascot' ) -- Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. ###### From: bugs@netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:24:31 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: <97bm5f$63q$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A9958F2.12920024@MA.UltraNet.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.21.58 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #121 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3237 >>... Did people put pictures or signs on machines? %DECsystem-10 continued Later Mark Hittinger Earthlink bugs@netcom.com ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 25 Feb 2001 23:14:35 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 983139276 1479 10.0.3.2 (25 Feb 2001 22:14:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2001 22:14:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3241 Ken McMonigal writes: > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) If he wrote it correctly (no path dependancies) it should run on any Linux distribution. > 3) Also, what development system? > (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) That runs on Windows, so obviously: no. You will need an Unix/Linux system, so cc or gcc compilers. > At vax sites with more than one machine, administrators would > name machines like cobalt, emerald, etc., or Snoopy, Linus, etc. Anywhere where there is an network (net names) or multiple hosts (host names). > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > on our websites. Iiiicckkkkk. If we do want an logo, then definitely something from when the real PDP-10s were made, not some skit on modern systems. I would suggest usig the DECsystem10 logo as it appeared on the cabinets: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/images/dec10logo.gif But why is this one yellow on red? On the cabinets it was white on blue (see top right, above indicator lamp panel): http://www.ultranet.com/~crfriend/museum/machines/images/ki10.jpg Of course DECsystem-10 only if you are running TOPS-10, not TOPS-20 or ITS. > As an aside, today I will venture into the land of the penquin, > with some reluctance. (Linux reference) You will be rewarded. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### Message-ID: <3A997995.26501711@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A9958F2.12920024@MA.UltraNet.Com> <3A99171E.8838CE3@trailing-edge.com> <3A9971E5.5E092CB5@MA.UltraNet.Com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:31:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.19.142.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983136624 207.19.142.246 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:24 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3243 "Alan H. Martin" wrote: > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > > Alan H. Martin wrote: > > > > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > > > > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > > > > on our websites. > > > > > > Much of what little anti-Unix sentiment I've noticed in this newsgroup > > > has always struck me as highly misplaced. > > > > Hey, I resemble that remark! (I'm presuming that I'm the one who has > > made the most anti-Unix comments here.) > > I might have noticed at the time, but quickly forgot about who said > what to whom (so it wasn't a personal dig). My recollection is that > the people who are pissed off at Unix dislike the impurities versus > one of the Tops O/S's. I'm all for purity, but don't kill my product > line. I know what O/S gored my ox. > /AHM > -- > Alan Howard Martin AMartin@MA.UltraNet.Com Not real anti-Unix sentiment. 1) It 's that over-40 brain-cell learning-curve complaining. (Oh no, another O.S. or computer, etc.!) :) 2) There was a point at which different people were promising that we would have flying cars & Linux running on our old PC's that were sitting in the corner in the 21st Century. I ain't seen either yet, although I've heard reports of 486 Unix boxes. My problem is with 8MB ram & old x1 (yes!) CD-ROM. Perhaps I could download tons of MB's onto my Pentium overnight via 56KB (really effectively 45KB modem). But I am having trouble finding obsolete software that might run (but unsupportable). I've loaded 2 different CD distributions that either went into error-hang or said "unrecognizable CD-ROM". Going to Linux User's Group this week. But it will happen or my 486 will go fly out the second story window. :) (not the monitor) Ken --- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### Message-ID: <3A99987C.4B4A805@mail.bcpl.net> From: Ken McMonigal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 89 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:42:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.19.142.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bcpl.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 983144536 207.19.142.246 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:42:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:42:16 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3242 Neil Franklin wrote: > > Ken McMonigal writes: > > > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) > > If he wrote it correctly (no path dependancies) it should run on > any Linux distribution. > > > 3) Also, what development system? > > (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) > > That runs on Windows, so obviously: no. Please note time of my post (unfortunately amount of sleep not noted, but it was 3 or 4 A.M. when head hit pillow). Whenever I post something stupid (which I admit can be often), please attribute to sleep-deprivation. Obviously I wasn't thinking when I posted that about the C++. I have not run two O.S.'s on one machine & stupidly thought app from one would somehow magicly run on the other, which of course is almost never true for O.S.'s from different manufacturers. I was trying to determine Mr. Stark's setup as well as put in something else and - kaboom. > > You will need an Unix/Linux system, so cc or gcc compilers. Thanks, found small area in my Red Hat 4.2 book (i know -read the book). > > > At vax sites with more than one machine, administrators would > > name machines like cobalt, emerald, etc., or Snoopy, Linus, etc. > > Anywhere where there is an network (net names) or multiple hosts (host > names). > > > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > > on our websites. > > Iiiicckkkkk. > > If we do want an logo, then definitely something from when the real > PDP-10s were made, not some skit on modern systems. > > I would suggest usig the DECsystem10 logo as it appeared on the cabinets: > > http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/images/dec10logo.gif > > But why is this one yellow on red? I believe this color scheme was for the documentation. That one could have been for the big system doc. There was a big telephone book sized yellow book. I may have torn off cover & pitched it thinking I'd never need it again, aargh! But, sometimes mildew can set in for that funky kind of thick/soft off-white paper. (And we were running Tenex.) Fortran was lt. blue/dk. blue. > On the cabinets it was white on > blue (see top right, above indicator lamp panel): > > http://www.ultranet.com/~crfriend/museum/machines/images/ki10.jpg > > Of course DECsystem-10 only if you are running TOPS-10, not TOPS-20 or > ITS. > > > As an aside, today I will venture into the land of the penquin, > > with some reluctance. (Linux reference) > > You will be rewarded. > > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic Ken --- The Algol compiler used at Case Institute of Technology, after finding 25 errors in the source (e.g., like you spelled BEGIN as BEGNI), would print: "At this point, we suggest you try re-reading the manual." ###### Message-ID: <3A999FC5.DEFDD11C@bellatlantic.net> From: StrangeBrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <2vmi9t4vafmk9vrf5mhb68vbh6v3ejtbs0@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:09:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.88.74.179 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 983146195 138.88.74.179 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:09:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:09:55 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3267 "R.J.S." wrote: > When they were parked front and center at the party, Bob Houk asked > "Do they float like other Volkswagens?" I nearly spit out my drink. and where is bob now? I have lost track, I don't want to hear any bad news, he was always great when I needed help, no matter where I was in the world, he would take my call. bob ###### Message-ID: <3A99EAE8.9BAEA037@cmc.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:34:32 -0800 From: Lars Poulsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: da,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <97bdmv$8ib$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.154.106.6 X-Trace: azure.impulse.net 983165673 193 207.154.106.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.online.be!sienna.impulse.net!azure.impulse.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3291 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I like to think of the PDP-10 as a clipper ship -- the ultimate in a > certain kind of technology that was superseded by some other kind of > technology. Everybody appreciates a clipper ship for what it is, > without trying to put rocket boosters on it. "And all I ask is a tall ship ... and a star to steer her by!" On second thoughts, no ... that was the RSX-11M pocket reference. -- / Lars Poulsen - http://www.cmc.com/lars - lars@cmc.com 125 South Ontare Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93105 - +1-805-569-5277 ###### From: blarsen@nonews.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bj=F8rn?= Hell Larsen) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 26 Feb 2001 11:03:05 +0100 Organization: Nonews is good news Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: locke.svg.infostream.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.ost.eltele.no 983181785 25550 213.236.169.78 (26 Feb 2001 10:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ost.eltele.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:03:05 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!128.39.3.166!uninett.no!news.ost.eltele.no!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3248 Neil Franklin writes: > Ken McMonigal writes: > > > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) > > If he wrote it correctly (no path dependancies) it should run on > any Linux distribution. > > > > 3) Also, what development system? > > (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) > > That runs on Windows, so obviously: no. > > You will need an Unix/Linux system, so cc or gcc compilers. If it compiles on a Linux system it should also compile with gcc on Windows, I guess. Bjørn -- DoD#2537 / Senior MC - '90 FZ750 (Fizz) / '99 VT750C2 (Brumm) ###### From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:40:14 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <97dmbu$1mqh$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 983194814 56145 10.0.0.43 (26 Feb 2001 13:40:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:40:14 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!feeder.via.net!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!news.usenet2.org!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3280 In article <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: >> 3) Also, what development system? >That runs on Windows, so obviously: no. He might get it working with gcc under cygwin. -- Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC. WWFD? "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" -- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans) ###### From: "JD" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <97dmbu$1mqh$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:34:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.70.149.90 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 983215647 198.70.149.90 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:27:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:27:27 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3265 "Peter da Silva" wrote in message news:97dmbu$1mqh$1@citadel.in.taronga.com... > In article <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, > Neil Franklin wrote: > >> 3) Also, what development system? > > >That runs on Windows, so obviously: no. > > He might get it working with gcc under cygwin. > I strongly suggest trying the Intel C compiler also... It produces fantastic code (almost incredibly good.) The difference is almost as great as between GCC and the old PCC. John ###### From: Timothy Stark Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:53:41 -0000 Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 58 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!grolier!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3273 Ken McMonigal wrote: > For the TS-10: > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) Yes, any Linux operating system. My Linux distribution is Red Hat Linux v7.0. > 2) size of partition (effectively) - I understand that the file > system is one big file on the PC. You need least 250 MB disk space to create a RP06 emulated disk file (estimated 200 MB disk space). > Thus source + object code (etc.) + file system = n MB > n = ? See above. > 3) Also, what development system? > (I have MSucks Visual C++ V5.0 - will that work?) I do not know because I never use MS VC++ v5.0 for my TS10 developement. > 4) Again, your website & general FAQ's, please. Not yet. > 5) General question to folks: > At vax sites with more than one machine, administrators would > name machines like cobalt, emerald, etc., or Snoopy, Linus, etc. > Was there ever a "humanizing" (I know I'm not saying this right) > labeling done at sites or DEC like the phenomenon of the penguin > for Linux? Did people put pictures or signs on machines? > The only thing I every saw was that stuff that you punch letter > at a time that reminded you what to do on booting (ugly). > Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever > that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon > on our websites. Also, I am developing my VAX emulator because it is in early developement stage. my VAX emulator now is able execute BRB and BRW as initial implementation. I executed 20040000 on uVAX II ROM image. My printouts showed that BRB correctly jumped into 20040050. Next instruction is CMPB... It worked so well. I will finish operand decoding routines. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: "JD" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:38:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.70.149.90 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@iquest.net X-Trace: news1.iquest.net 983136678 198.70.149.90 (Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:31:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:31:18 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!iquest!news1.iquest.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3269 "Timothy Stark" wrote in message news:t9is6l4s0gvl08@corp.supernews.com... > Ken McMonigal wrote: > > For the TS-10: > > > 1) runs on what unix versions (Linux distributions?) > > Yes, any Linux operating system. My Linux distribution is > Red Hat Linux v7.0. > I am one of the individuals who rewrote the VM system for FreeBSD, but am NOT a UNIX zealot. I might be able to contribute a port to WIn32 (including a compiled version with the Intel compiler :-)). I can pretty much make Win2000 do anything that UNIX (FreeBSD) can do, but sometimes it is slower due to kernel overhead or kernel API differences. The advantage might come with the crazy Intel compiler that seems to do as much as can be done. The amazing thing might become available for Linux soon also!!! It might even be advantageous to split the machine dependent/independent parts, and create object files for OSes that don't have the Intel compiler, with the Intel compiler. The ONLY reason why I might suggest this is that your emulator is probably VERY CPU bound... John ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 27 Feb 2001 16:14:22 -0500 Organization: Systems Administration, XKL LLC, Redmond WA 98052 Lines: 21 Sender: alderson+news@panix6.panix.com Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A990DAF.863ACFC6@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix6.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 983308462 3428 166.84.0.231 (27 Feb 2001 21:14:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2001 21:14:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3295 StrangeBrew writes: > Ken McMonigal wrote: >> Can Mr. Stark or others come up with some penguin-stomper or whatever >> that we can collect? I'm thinking polar bear. We can put that icon >> on our websites. > Don't walrus or walrii eat penguins and seals? The walrus, like the polar bear, is native to the Arctic. Further, it eats shellfish, not sea birds or seals. The penguin is native to the Southern Hemisphere (not *just* the Antarctic), and would not under natural circumstances encounter polar bears or walrus. Just keeping things pedantic... -- Rich Alderson alderson+news@panix.com "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." --Death, of the Endless ###### From: Rich Alderson Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: 27 Feb 2001 16:23:54 -0500 Organization: Systems Administration, XKL LLC, Redmond WA 98052 Lines: 12 Sender: alderson+news@panix6.panix.com Message-ID: References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <2vmi9t4vafmk9vrf5mhb68vbh6v3ejtbs0@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix6.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 983309033 3428 166.84.0.231 (27 Feb 2001 21:23:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2001 21:23:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3308 R.J.S. writes: > At one point in time, Steve, and, I think Dana, bought Prosche 924's. > When they were parked front and center at the party, Bob Houk asked > "Do they float like other Volkswagens?" I nearly spit out my drink. And anyone who ever saw the movie _Risky Business_ knows the answer to that! -- Rich Alderson alderson+news@panix.com "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." --Death, of the Endless ###### Message-ID: <3A9C243D.825C5DCC@bellatlantic.net> From: hg/jb Reply-To: shsrms@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A990DAF.863ACFC6@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:59:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.88.74.179 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 983311156 138.88.74.179 (Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:59:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:59:16 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3304 Rich Alderson wrote: > > StrangeBrew writes: > > Don't walrus or walrii eat penguins and seals? > The walrus, like the polar bear, is native to the Arctic. Further, it eats > shellfish, not sea birds or seals. > > The penguin is native to the Southern Hemisphere (not *just* the Antarctic), > and would not under natural circumstances encounter polar bears or walrus. > > Just keeping things pedantic... BUT: don't they all taste like the sauce you dip them in? Isn't that why you put sufficient horseradish into cocktail sauce? Just t obe fun! > > -- > Rich Alderson alderson+news@panix.com > "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." --Death, of the Endless ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 01 13:14:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <97j25g$a8i$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A9958F2.12920024@MA.UltraNet.Com> <97bm5f$63q$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhM7eo+0rgFg+WCZgAzj/KmHooXVqBwVEX8g66O5rLEdZ1qJQtxt5s X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2001 14:32:16 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-19 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3298 In article <97bm5f$63q$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, bugs@netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) wrote: >>>... Did people put pictures or signs on machines? > >%DECsystem-10 continued Nope. %DECsystem-10 not running %DECsystem-10 continued /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:37:31 +0100 Organization: Swakopmund State Hospital Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2054933.D10cKuJUk0@ac.lisse.na> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <6uofvqv29g.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: el@lisse.NA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 983468252 01 31638 Q3CN-uXSHYrYu 010301 17:37:32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 320062859630-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/0.4beta3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3319 On Monday 26 February 2001 11:03 Bjørn Hell Larsen wrote: > If it compiles on a Linux system it should also compile with gcc on > Windows, I guess. Now that strikes a thought, will someone get it to boot on a Pentium (directly)? And then hack something like a distribution. To get CU20B or SIMTEL20 back on the net would be fun, eh? el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el108 * | Swakopmund State Hospital Private Bag 5004 \ / Telephone: +49 177 214 3196 (cell) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Currently on Post Graduate Study Leave ###### From: Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TS-10 size + FAQ, please + logo needed? Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:00:17 +0100 Organization: Swakopmund State Hospital Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5230702.B9CfJNBM17@ac.lisse.na> References: <3A9901A0.7CEC1444@mail.bcpl.net> <3A9958F2.12920024@MA.UltraNet.Com> <3A99171E.8838CE3@trailing-edge.com> <3A9971E5.5E092CB5@MA.UltraNet.Com> <3A997995.26501711@mail.bcpl.net> Reply-To: el@lisse.NA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 983473218 03 30489 NEFNAcXSAYnAm 010301 19:00:18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 320062859630-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/0.4beta3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:3314 On Sunday 25 February 2001 22:31 Ken McMonigal wrote: > Going to Linux User's Group this week. > > But it will happen or my 486 will go fly out the second story window. Ken, I started using linux on a 386 with 8 MB of RAM. It worked fairly well. If you crash at the install, I would suggest you manually create a SWAP file as soon as you have fscked the hard disk, though one of the virtual consoles, and activate it. I remember we had this happen with a 4MB 386. My colleague of course just put in enough memory to allow installation and took it out afterwards, and he was surprised when I just created the swap file :-)-O el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el108 * | Swakopmund State Hospital Private Bag 5004 \ / Telephone: +49 177 214 3196 (cell) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Currently on Post Graduate Study Leave