From: Erno Palonheimo Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: about KL10 console? Date: 16 Dec 2000 12:55:34 +0200 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi X-Trace: nntp.hut.fi 976964134 5185 130.233.249.7 (16 Dec 2000 10:55:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nntp.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2000 10:55:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1904 Greetings, I wonder whether all KL10 models really used a pdp11/40 as the console? I'm about to strip the pdp11 out of the console rack (the only piece remaining of our KL, which was sold as a DECsystem-2065) and the thing certainly doesn't look like a pdp11/40. The 11/40 front panel is supposed to have lots of lights and switches? Well, this one looks much more like a 11/34 with its octal keyboard and display panel made of seven-segment units. And, furthermore, is there anything special involved in the process of making the front end a stand-alone pdp11? -- Erno Palonheimo | Pajupillintie 15 A 6 | UNIX System Administrator http://iki.fi/esp/ | 00420 Helsinki | Helsinki University of Technology esp@cc.hut.fi | +358 50 560 4765 | http://www.hut.fi/cc/ ###### Message-ID: <3A3B60DD.929AB0F5@bellatlantic.net> From: hg/jb Reply-To: shsrms@bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: about KL10 console? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:33:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.88.77.74 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon2.ba-dsg.net 976970013 138.88.77.74 (Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:33:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:33:33 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.ba-dsg.net!typhoon2.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1892 Erno Palonheimo wrote: > > Greetings, > > I wonder whether all KL10 models really used a pdp11/40 as the > console? I'm about to strip the pdp11 out of the console rack (the > only piece remaining of our KL, which was sold as a DECsystem-2065) > and the thing certainly doesn't look like a pdp11/40. The 11/40 front > panel is supposed to have lots of lights and switches? Well, this one > looks much more like a 11/34 with its octal keyboard and display panel > made of seven-segment units. And, furthermore, is there anything > special involved in the process of making the front end a stand-alone > pdp11? 11/35-11/40 did go end of life after the 34 and 44 were announced.. To my knowledge, the Console on the KL could be made a fully operational 11 with a simple software load - put on whatever OS you had for it, run it, provided you had the right memory to support it (thinking of fat RSX11D here) and you were using an 11. Of course this assumes the proper disk etc periphs have been installed. It is easy for me to see an 11/34 as a console for a KL - just a simple swap out, 34 with a couple of system units...semi mem, bob> > -- > Erno Palonheimo | Pajupillintie 15 A 6 | UNIX System Administrator > http://iki.fi/esp/ | 00420 Helsinki | Helsinki University of Technology > esp@cc.hut.fi | +358 50 560 4765 | http://www.hut.fi/cc/ ###### From: Erno Palonheimo Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: about KL10 console? Date: 16 Dec 2000 15:20:34 +0200 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3A3B60DD.929AB0F5@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi X-Trace: nntp.hut.fi 976972834 11169 130.233.249.7 (16 Dec 2000 13:20:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nntp.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2000 13:20:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1905 hg/jb writes: > 11/35-11/40 did go end of life after the 34 and 44 were announced.. > To my knowledge, the Console on the KL could be made a fully operational > 11 with a simple software load - put on whatever OS you had for it, > run it, provided you had the right memory to support it (thinking of > fat RSX11D here) and you were using an 11. Of course this assumes > the proper disk etc periphs have been installed. All right, I'll try out the unit as soon as I can get it out of the rack (the rack is stored in a hallway with 10-minute lighting, one of those things where you just push a button and lights stay on for ten minutes, and there's almost no space around it at all). > It is easy for me to see an 11/34 as a console for a KL - just a > simple swap out, 34 with a couple of system units...semi mem, > bob> Our system was bought in 1976 or something, /34 was certainly announced by that date, and it certainly is original. How were these console machines usually configured? I could check the module listing as soon as I get the modules out of the damn thing. :-) -- Erno Palonheimo | Pajupillintie 15 A 6 | UNIX System Administrator http://iki.fi/esp/ | 00420 Helsinki | Helsinki University of Technology esp@cc.hut.fi | +358 50 560 4765 | http://www.hut.fi/cc/ ###### From: wilson@dbit.com (John Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: about KL10 console? Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:03:32 -0500 Organization: D Bit, Troy, NY Lines: 13 Message-ID: <91gsc4$omm$1@dbit.dbit.com> References: <3A3B60DD.929AB0F5@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dbit.dbit.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dbit.dbit.com X-Trace: 16 Dec 2000 18:05:03 -0500, dbit.dbit.com XPident: wilson X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.181.141.3 XPident: Unknown Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.phoen-x.net!news.wizvax.net!dbit.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1867 In article <3A3B60DD.929AB0F5@bellatlantic.net>, hg/jb wrote: >11/35-11/40 did go end of life after the 34 and 44 were announced.. I was told at one point, that LCG kept the 11/40 in production for their own purposes long after it was dropped as a separate product -- true? They certainly seemed to have their own silk screen for the front panel (which was remote mounted on the short+fat 20s). I've heard of 11/34s being used as FEs, my impression was that that was done in the field though, anyway the nice thing with the 11/40 is the non-volatile switch register. John Wilson D Bit