From: Timothy Stark Subject: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:31:42 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-V3tCJY7GYY4QHn6Kg4crAa/ozsvNdIDe7HkXkLSNXUU1bW44PVDhqsUQGZKQz69FwNWrwGGWnXH1Iyz!WGXF2cefb2QwEEKLMDeIGB5rB70= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:31:43 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1459 Hello folks: In TOPS-10 6.03A source codes, I read two .MAC files - PTPSER.MAC and PTRSER.MAC. KA, KI, and KL support card puncher/reader. I can't find any in TOPS-10 7.04 source codes for KS10 or KL10. Does a KS10 or TOPS-10 7.04 support card puncher/reader via Unibus interface? If so, I need func specs for Unibus interface and RH10/20 interface. Thank you! -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:23:47 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: haxrus.apple.com X-Trace: news.apple.com 975954225 1778 17.205.21.66 (4 Dec 2000 18:23:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.apple.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2000 18:23:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!haxrus.apple.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1456 In article <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com>, Timothy Stark wrote: > If so, I need func specs for Unibus interface and RH10/20 interface. > Is it covered in http://www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp10/ksref_mem.pdf ? The CR-11 was a fairly simple interface. If you can't turn up the data, I can scan in the pages from the PDP-11 peripherals handbook. -- The eBay Curse: "May you find everything you're looking for.." ###### From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Date: 4 Dec 2000 19:31:54 GMT Organization: Chez Inwap Lines: 46 Message-ID: <90grfa$2ikb$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell3.ba.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 975958314 84619 206.184.139.134 (4 Dec 2000 19:31:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@best.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2000 19:31:54 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!inwap Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1452 In article <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com>, Timothy Stark wrote: >Hello folks: > >In TOPS-10 6.03A source codes, I read two .MAC files - PTPSER.MAC and >PTRSER.MAC. KA, KI, and KL support card puncher/reader. Hold it. PTPSER and PTRSER have nothing to do with punched cards. PTP = Paper Tape Punch PTR = Paper Tape Reader Paper Tape is 1 inch wide and a hundred feet long. Originally used on the Teletype ASR-33 terminal. The KA and KI could boot off of the console PTR. It was done by putting the reader in special READ-IN mode. Six bits each from six consecutive tape frames would be combined into one 36-bit word to be loaded into KA/KI memory. Of all the devices on TOPS-10, the PTR was the only one that really made the distinction between ASCII (mode 0) and ASCII-line (mode 1). (TTYs always operated in ASCII-line mode, and everything else was in ASCII mode: end-of-buffer was buffer full, not "linefeed detected".) The KS never supported PTP or PTR. The KL did if it had the optional KI-compatible I/O bus interface and external PTP or PTR. >I can't find any in TOPS-10 7.04 source codes for KS10 or KL10. Nobody used paper tape by then. If you really needed to read that obsolete format, people used devices with RS-232 connectors that acted like terminals for reading or punching paper tape. >Does a KS10 or TOPS-10 7.04 support card puncher/reader via Unibus interface? Yes, it's called CD2SER.MAC and included with the sources. (Note that CDPSER.MAC and CDRSER.MAC got moved to the CUST_SUP_CUSP tape.) >If so, I need func specs for Unibus interface and RH10/20 interface. CD2SER.MAC documents the CD20 card reader for KS Unibus. RH10 and RH20 are KL only; the KS never used that type of disk controller. -Joe -- See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages. ###### From: Timothy Stark Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:16:21 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-j1cgN7prnBJ/qQPBEQZTkq15jcMcn63VLXYta2Q9aemR73AEl6pX1ixMEDl3DAGZ/52hhuNYvA67jfQ!Jmnovz2v3fRVkuJuYPxSQ5o7bCw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:16:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1464 Al Kossow wrote: > Is it covered in http://www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp10/ksref_mem.pdf ? Yeah. that is better readable than text file that I have. :-) On text file, I had difficultly read that due to too long lines. > The CR-11 was a fairly simple interface. If you can't turn up the > data, I can scan in the pages from the PDP-11 peripherals handbook. Yes, I need more descriptions about CR-11 (CD-20?) to understand how registers work and behave so that I can implemen... That's why I need them to export and import ASCII files on my emulator. Thank you! -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: Timothy Stark Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> <90grfa$2ikb$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <_vWW5.34264$%j3.364835@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:19:06 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-rQQMxP7ZhpN/IaqPQmtzloPjh0OBXDgZhQsn4wKKQskIUhYKMW8UHkVf7TT7bhJtOlecWL+uuyqAXlD!63QZV79DHzchL0FPMDUOusdMmp0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:19:06 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1463 Joe Smith wrote: > Hold it. PTPSER and PTRSER have nothing to do with punched cards. > PTP = Paper Tape Punch > PTR = Paper Tape Reader > Paper Tape is 1 inch wide and a hundred feet long. > Originally used on the Teletype ASR-33 terminal. Ah! I thought that it is card reader. Thank you for let me know that. > RH10 and RH20 are KL only; the KS never used that type of disk controller. I am aware of that but I need RH10/20 func specs for KL processor that will be implemented after my emulator release for KS10 processor. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Date: 4 Dec 2000 16:24:05 -0800 Organization: Spies In The Wire Lines: 30 Message-ID: <90hcj5$qb$1@spies.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: spies.com X-Trace: 4 Dec 2000 16:27:20 -0800, spies.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1476 From article , by Timothy Stark : > Al Kossow wrote: >> Is it covered in http://www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp10/ksref_mem.pdf ? > > Yeah. that is better readable than text file that I have. :-) On text > file, I had difficultly read that due to too long lines. > I was having trouble reading it as well, so I scrunched it down to fit onto an 8.5x11 page and pdf-ed it. >> The CR-11 was a fairly simple interface. If you can't turn up the >> data, I can scan in the pages from the PDP-11 peripherals handbook. > After reviewing the doc, I see the CD11 is quite different. > Yes, I need more descriptions about CR-11 (CD-20?) to understand > how registers work and behave so that I can implemen... > > That's why I need them to export and import ASCII files on my emulator. > Wouldn't magtape make more sense? Cards are pretty clunky, even if they're simulated, and the CD11 is only a READER interface. Isn't there an option in PIP to write character data to tape as unpacked 8 bit characters? ###### From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:28:31 -0800 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> <90grfa$2ikb$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> <_vWW5.34264$%j3.364835@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: haxrus.apple.com X-Trace: news.apple.com 975976110 3592 17.205.21.66 (5 Dec 2000 00:28:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.apple.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2000 00:28:30 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!haxrus.apple.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1457 In article <_vWW5.34264$%j3.364835@news6.giganews.com>, Timothy Stark wrote: > I am aware of that but I need RH10/20 func specs for KL processor that > will be implemented after my emulator release for KS10 processor. > Eric? It should be in the huge pile-o-docs that came with the 2065. Before launching into another implementation, thought, it may make sense to try to figure out how to load and run some of the KS diagnostics, to see if what you have so far matches reality. -- The eBay Curse: "May you find everything you're looking for.." ###### From: Timothy Stark Subject: Re: Do KS10 support card punch/reader? Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 References: <21NW5.87217$DG3.1677485@news2.giganews.com> <90grfa$2ikb$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> <_vWW5.34264$%j3.364835@news6.giganews.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:24:44 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-cFUCkkvrpKP1Fmq8cFI6wYgIxy6mD8wfFKyhi3GlXw5LHYLRgCvKjZH6T8XzG9HkT8AhTDnSOjSr1sa!yhpo4aDv49O5Cj3m2SNtL8NKTwM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:24:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.sys.pdp10:1465 Al Kossow wrote: > Before launching into another implementation, thought, it may > make sense to try to figure out how to load and run some of the > KS diagnostics, to see if what you have so far matches reality. Yes, I will try that before launching into another implementation. I have a copy of KS diagnostics tape on my PC. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)