From: ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 1 Jan 1998 07:10:04 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 47 Message-ID: <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.66 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-HWFN] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!james!ab801 Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB (stpetes@orion.sk.sympatico.ca) wrote: : "Where does it happen in the brain?" An interesting article, in the June 1994 Discover magazine, relates the efforts of Roger Penrose to unravel the secrets of human consciousness which appear to be centered in a structure called "Micro-tubules" in the neurons of the brain. The primary characteristic which Dr. Penrose considered significant was that the structure of the tubule allowed a single electron to behave in a "quantum" fashion, achieving a greatly enhanced number of states sufficient to explain the complexities and subtleties of human thought. This might also provide a means for human brains to interact with sub-atomic forces that just possibly could explain certain phenomena commonly described as "psi". : One researcher who studies such effects is Michael Persinger, a : neuroscientist at Laurentian University of Sudbury, Ontario. Persinger : believes that alien abductions and other mystical experiences are the : result of neurons firing in an unusual pattern in the temporal lobes. Without doubt, unusual electrical activity in the brain can produce "hallucinations" that are stunningly realistic - indistinguishable from reality. This could explain a great many observations. : And here's where this argument winds up. I don't know of anyone else who : has both the scientific / philosophical background and the paranormal : ability to ask the question of: "where in the brain is the reception area / : focal point for the transdimensional energies that I am processing on an : ongoing basis?" If the "micro-tubule" is responsible, you won't find a "focal poiunt", you will find that it is an interface with the whole mind, in all parts of the brain. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***WARNING*** POSTING ADDRESS IS SPAM FILTERED - Do not use the "freenet" address to reply. Reply to "charles@hwcn.org" to have your mail received. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory - Hamilton-Wentworth Community Network NewsMaster E-Mail: charles@hwcn.org Personal Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ab801 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinions expressed are my own, and do NOT represent the opinions or policies of HWCN, except where those policies are explicitly quoted. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ###### From: "Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 1 Jan 1998 15:10:42 GMT Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 81 Message-ID: <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfaro26.sk.sympatico.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news Excellent work. Now we are doing research as a team! My point about a "precise brain location" was to stimulate thought on the topic. I agree with you that it is unlikely that psi abilities reside in a single place in the brain. Let's consider what we could look for if it *did*, using the most primitive neuroscience: observation of head trauma / stroke / drug abuse victims. (1) Has there ever been a case where a psychic received a head trauma, and thereafter was unable to use their abilities? My understanding is that just the opposite has occurred in many psychics. Where precisely were they struck on the head? Are there enough cases to examine so that we could create a general theory? (2) Do we know of any psychic who lost their abilities after a stroke? Is this what happened to Edgar Cayce, for example? Has anyone kept track of the aging processes of psychics to determine which faculties they lose, and in what order? (3) Do we know of any cases where alcohol abuse led to the cessation of psychic abilities? Psychics have been known to be both impervious and extremely sensitive to intoxicants. Is there any commonality we can discover between psi abilities and intoxicants? Br. Kurt Charles Gregory wrote in article <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... > Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB (stpetes@orion.sk.sympatico.ca) wrote: > : "Where does it happen in the brain?" > > An interesting article, in the June 1994 Discover magazine, relates the > efforts of Roger Penrose to unravel the secrets of human consciousness > which appear to be centered in a structure called "Micro-tubules" in the > neurons of the brain. The primary characteristic which Dr. Penrose > considered significant was that the structure of the tubule allowed a > single electron to behave in a "quantum" fashion, achieving a greatly > enhanced number of states sufficient to explain the complexities and > subtleties of human thought. > > This might also provide a means for human brains to interact with > sub-atomic forces that just possibly could explain certain phenomena > commonly described as "psi". > > : One researcher who studies such effects is Michael Persinger, a > : neuroscientist at Laurentian University of Sudbury, Ontario. Persinger > : believes that alien abductions and other mystical experiences are the > : result of neurons firing in an unusual pattern in the temporal lobes. > > Without doubt, unusual electrical activity in the brain can produce > "hallucinations" that are stunningly realistic - indistinguishable from > reality. This could explain a great many observations. > > : And here's where this argument winds up. I don't know of anyone else who > : has both the scientific / philosophical background and the paranormal > : ability to ask the question of: "where in the brain is the reception area / > : focal point for the transdimensional energies that I am processing on an > : ongoing basis?" > > If the "micro-tubule" is responsible, you won't find a "focal poiunt", you > will find that it is an interface with the whole mind, in all parts of the > brain. Yes, this is most likely. However, if we are going to do a scientific enquiry, we'll need to use a reductionistic, bottom-up approach. This means targeting a particular brain area and starting from there. The two most likely candidates are: (1) the right parietal lobe, considered by most neuroscientists as the source of visual imagery; (2) the neodentate area of the cerebellum, considered by many neuroscientists to be the seat of self-awareness. ###### From: "'Ary Choke'" <@[127.0.0.1]> Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:34:53 -0000 Organization: hi there Lines: 29 Approved: @[127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <68h9m8$muv$2@news.indigo.ie> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts01-07.naas.indigo.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.125.133.14!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail > >(1) Has there ever been a case where a psychic received a head trauma, and >thereafter was unable to use their abilities? My understanding is that just >the opposite has occurred in many psychics. Where precisely were they >struck on the head? Are there enough cases to examine so that we could >create a general theory? Peter Hurkos is one of the most (in)famous cases in point for this one. He injured himself in a fall from a ladder in 1943. When he 'woke' up in hospital (Zuidwal Hospital, The Hague) in Holland he discovered he had the gift of 'second sight' and knew intimate details of he patients around him. Shaking hands with a patient who was about to be discharged he 'knew' that he man was a british agent and was about to be shot by the Gestapo in two days time. as a result of his prediction he was tried by the Dutch authorities and convinced them of his gift. > >(2) Do we know of any psychic who lost their abilities after a stroke? Is >this what happened to Edgar Cayce, for example? Has anyone kept track of >the aging processes of psychics to determine which faculties they lose, and >in what order? Daniel Douglas Home. ###### From: ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 2 Jan 1998 03:03:36 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 73 Message-ID: <68hle8$7lk$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.66 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-HWFN] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!james!ab801 Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB (stpetes@orion.sk.sympatico.ca) wrote: : Let's consider what we could look for if it *did*, using the most primitive : neuroscience: observation of head trauma / stroke / drug abuse victims. : (1) Has there ever been a case where a psychic received a head trauma, and : thereafter was unable to use their abilities? I recall an incident where a "professional" psychic claimed to have lost her abilities after having a CAT scan. This turned up on radio news as the "weird" item because she was suing the doctors who did the scan..... : My understanding is that just : the opposite has occurred in many psychics. Where precisely were they : struck on the head? Are there enough cases to examine so that we could : create a general theory? Most brain traumas would tend to be concussions, with the whole brain, or at least one whole side of it, being impacted. My feeling is if enough "brain damage" occurs the brain needs to "rewire" itself a little bit to resume normal functioning. It may be possible that while a newborn uncomplicated mind "wires" itself with the primary senses having "priority", there may be something to the notion that an adult mind, with a more-developed sense of symbols and meanings, might be able to better integrate a "psychic sense" if given a "second chance" to build new pathways. : (2) Do we know of any psychic who lost their abilities after a stroke? Is : this what happened to Edgar Cayce, for example? Has anyone kept track of : the aging processes of psychics to determine which faculties they lose, and : in what order? Given the difficulty of showing that ANY faculties exist, tracking them through various age groups is probably not something yet done. The difficulty with strokes is that by the time enough damage has been done to impair a "psychic sense", reasonably, we could expect other senses to also be impaired, and thus sorting out the altered perceptions becomes difficult. : (3) Do we know of any cases where alcohol abuse led to the cessation of : psychic abilities? Psychics have been known to be both impervious and : extremely sensitive to intoxicants. Is there any commonality we can : discover between psi abilities and intoxicants? Part of that article I referenced was based on the fact that certain types of medical anaesthetic seemed to cause human consciousness to cease while most brain activity continued unabated. When the phsyiology of these particular anaesthetics was traced, it was found to be "freezing" the free electron moving in the micro-tubules, suggesting a strong possibility that consciousness was originating in or at least through those structures. : (1) the right parietal lobe, considered by most neuroscientists as the : source of visual imagery; One effect I've noted is that some psychics can "hallucinate" a visual projection which contains meaningful information, even while the perceived "visual object" does not really exist. It would be interesting to find where this information enters the visual field. Where is it generated from? For that matter, what part of the brain produces a NORMAL hallucination? Does the "psi" faculty "plug in" at thtat location? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***WARNING*** POSTING ADDRESS IS SPAM FILTERED - Do not use the "freenet" address to reply. Reply to "charles@hwcn.org" to have your mail received. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory - Hamilton-Wentworth Community Network NewsMaster E-Mail: charles@hwcn.org Personal Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ab801 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinions expressed are my own, and do NOT represent the opinions or policies of HWCN, except where those policies are explicitly quoted. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ###### From: ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 2 Jan 1998 03:03:36 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 73 Message-ID: <68hle8$7lk$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.66 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-HWFN] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!james!ab801 Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB (stpetes@orion.sk.sympatico.ca) wrote: : Let's consider what we could look for if it *did*, using the most primitive : neuroscience: observation of head trauma / stroke / drug abuse victims. : (1) Has there ever been a case where a psychic received a head trauma, and : thereafter was unable to use their abilities? I recall an incident where a "professional" psychic claimed to have lost her abilities after having a CAT scan. This turned up on radio news as the "weird" item because she was suing the doctors who did the scan..... : My understanding is that just : the opposite has occurred in many psychics. Where precisely were they : struck on the head? Are there enough cases to examine so that we could : create a general theory? Most brain traumas would tend to be concussions, with the whole brain, or at least one whole side of it, being impacted. My feeling is if enough "brain damage" occurs the brain needs to "rewire" itself a little bit to resume normal functioning. It may be possible that while a newborn uncomplicated mind "wires" itself with the primary senses having "priority", there may be something to the notion that an adult mind, with a more-developed sense of symbols and meanings, might be able to better integrate a "psychic sense" if given a "second chance" to build new pathways. : (2) Do we know of any psychic who lost their abilities after a stroke? Is : this what happened to Edgar Cayce, for example? Has anyone kept track of : the aging processes of psychics to determine which faculties they lose, and : in what order? Given the difficulty of showing that ANY faculties exist, tracking them through various age groups is probably not something yet done. The difficulty with strokes is that by the time enough damage has been done to impair a "psychic sense", reasonably, we could expect other senses to also be impaired, and thus sorting out the altered perceptions becomes difficult. : (3) Do we know of any cases where alcohol abuse led to the cessation of : psychic abilities? Psychics have been known to be both impervious and : extremely sensitive to intoxicants. Is there any commonality we can : discover between psi abilities and intoxicants? Part of that article I referenced was based on the fact that certain types of medical anaesthetic seemed to cause human consciousness to cease while most brain activity continued unabated. When the phsyiology of these particular anaesthetics was traced, it was found to be "freezing" the free electron moving in the micro-tubules, suggesting a strong possibility that consciousness was originating in or at least through those structures. : (1) the right parietal lobe, considered by most neuroscientists as the : source of visual imagery; One effect I've noted is that some psychics can "hallucinate" a visual projection which contains meaningful information, even while the perceived "visual object" does not really exist. It would be interesting to find where this information enters the visual field. Where is it generated from? For that matter, what part of the brain produces a NORMAL hallucination? Does the "psi" faculty "plug in" at thtat location? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***WARNING*** POSTING ADDRESS IS SPAM FILTERED - Do not use the "freenet" address to reply. Reply to "charles@hwcn.org" to have your mail received. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory - Hamilton-Wentworth Community Network NewsMaster E-Mail: charles@hwcn.org Personal Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ab801 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinions expressed are my own, and do NOT represent the opinions or policies of HWCN, except where those policies are explicitly quoted. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ###### From: "HenryJK" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 2 Jan 1998 13:10:16 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 134 Message-ID: <01bd1780$6a881d80$87664cd1@henryjk> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-773.tig.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail Hi I think you should consider the brain as a body/spirit interface. Therefore the brain could act as a filter, resulting in degradation of the spirit's abilities (including forgetting it's past lives). This also can explain damage to the brain, which can result in coma, or an increase in psychic abilities.(The last statement in particular, supports the brain filter theory, in regards to the filter breakdown letting more of the spiritual quaities through). Maybe this is too simplistic, but I think that seeing the brain from the spiritual side should be considered, in any study of the brain's Psi abilities. Regards HenryJK Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB wrote in article <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research>... > In response to a very good point from Phil Harrison: > {quote} > >I was not aware of any studies that identified which parts of the brain > >perceive the "transdimensional realms". > {quote} > > To clarify a term, by "transdimensional realms" I mean the traditional > esoteric model (I think it's an H.P. Blavatsky thing) of: > 1.physical > 2.vital > 3.emotional > 4.mental > 5.angelic > > (there's more, but I don't perceive them regularly enough to bring them > into this argument). > > And there's the problem in a nutshell, everyone. No matter how much of a > *pure* physicist or engineer that one wants to be when exploring the > paranormal, one must come to the unavoidable conclude that we are dealing > with brain-mediated events that require for the most part conscious adult > human subjects. I'm going to purposely restrict my sample to this group, > because they are capable of giving what is known in my business as a *naive > observance*. They can talk their way through the experiences. Human babies > and siamese cats might have greater paranormal abilities (for all I know!) > but communicating with them about such things is problematic. > > But I digress. The issue for any brain-mediated event, whether it is > learning a new language, or choosing the right rachet wrench for fixing > your motorcycle, is: > > "Where does it happen in the brain?" > > An example: prosopagnosia, also known as face blindness. > A complete URL on the subject: > > http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/~mike/Pearl_Street/OSHERSON/Vol2/Farah.2.3.html > > > For the purpose of the present argument, the conclusion will be sufficient: > > Basic points: > > •There exists a specialized system for recognizing faces. > •This system is anatomically distinct from other object recognition > systems. > •Face recognition system does not depend on nonface processes, but works in > parallel with them (and independently from them) > •The two systems represent shape in qualitatively distinct ways. > > Phil's point was that he wasn't aware of anyone locating the reception area > for trans-dimensional information in any part of the brain. That's where I > come in. > > I know myself to be sensitive to EM fields, so much so that they can affect > my perceptual processes. A case in point: I was in San Franciso for the > October 1989 earthquake. A day before the earthquake, my vision began to > blur, and I had what I can only call a migraine headaches. (I am not > subject to migraines). > During the EM maximum burst periods I began to hallucinate faces on people > that I was talking too. I thought I must have the flu! When the pulses > began to subside, all the above phenomena disappeared within an hour. (For > anyone who suffers from migraines, you have my full sympathy). > > It wasn't until two years later that I discovered the work of Dr. Michael > Persinger: > > One researcher who studies such effects is Michael Persinger, a > neuroscientist at Laurentian University of Sudbury, Ontario. Persinger > believes that alien abductions and other mystical experiences are the > result of neurons firing in an unusual pattern in the temporal lobes. And > that pattern can be recreated, he claims, by applying magnetic pulses > across the temporal lobes ("Alien Abduction: The Inside Story", New > Scientist, 19 November 1994). > (from: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/970510/neural2.html) > > Borrowing from the "face blindness" example, I can then propose an approach > to theorizing about these neural circuits. > > 1. There exists a specialized neural system for perceiving transdimensional > realms. > 2. This system is anatomically distinct from other object recognition > systems. > 3. Transdimensional perception works independently and parallel to physical > reality perception. > 4. The two systems represent reality in qualitatively different ways. > > And here's where this argument winds up. I don't know of anyone else who > has both the scientific / philosophical background and the paranormal > ability to ask the question of: "where in the brain is the reception area / > focal point for the transdimensional energies that I am processing on an > ongoing basis?" > > If anyone can crank out more watts in this area, I'd be happy to cede the > field to them. Until then... > > br. kurt, CyberDragon: Guardian of the Believers on alt.paranormal. ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:30:37 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: b1-40.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in3.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!news.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 1 Jan 1998 15:10:42 GMT, "Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB" wrote: < snip > >(3) Do we know of any cases where alcohol abuse led to the cessation of >psychic abilities? Nope. >Psychics have been known to be both impervious and >extremely sensitive to intoxicants. Is there any commonality we can >discover between psi abilities and intoxicants? Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of drink/drugs. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: Phil Harrison Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:02:28 +0000 Organization: Hermetic Order of the Golden Sprout Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk [194.222.228.63] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 31 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ramtop.demon.co.uk!pharrison In article <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au>, John Fitzsimons writes >On 1 Jan 1998 15:10:42 GMT, "Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB" > wrote: > >< snip > > >>(3) Do we know of any cases where alcohol abuse led to the cessation of >>psychic abilities? > >Nope. > >>Psychics have been known to be both impervious and >>extremely sensitive to intoxicants. Is there any commonality we can >>discover between psi abilities and intoxicants? > >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of >drink/drugs. Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, actually enhance psychic abilities? I also wonder which intoxicants/drugs are considered better for enhancing psychic abilities, and whether there are some forms of injury or near death experience that are considered more likely to enhance there abilities. -- Phil Harrison ###### From: Bruce Daniel Kettler Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:00:22 -0700 Organization: Psi Counsel, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> Reply-To: dan@psicounsel.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.pm3c04.pm.dimcom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.nodak.edu!netnews3.nwnet.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!dimensional.com!not-for-mail Phil Harrison wrote: > In article <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au>, John Fitzsimons > writes > >On 1 Jan 1998 15:10:42 GMT, "Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB" > > wrote: John wrote: > >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic > >sensitivity. Phil wrote: > Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the > brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, > actually enhance psychic abilities? Activity in certain parts of the brain inhibit psychic functioning, so when those parts are held back, then psychic functioning is permitted a greater opportunity. > I also wonder which intoxicants/drugs are considered better for > enhancing psychic abilities... Oh, don't go off and running to the nearest drug store, or doctor to get a prescription. HA HA! > Phil Harrison -- E-mail: dan(AT)psicounsel . com - alt.paranormal FAQ - /altparfaq.html < < < < URL: www . psicounsel . com > > > > /webmaster - after ".com" - - - - About Newsgroups - /news ###### From: Dan Pressnell Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:50:06 -0600 Organization: None Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34B0748E.ACB421DD@ns.vvm.com> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> Reply-To: dpressne@ns.vvm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: kc03-12.vvm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.94.238!newshost.vvm.com!not-for-mail Bruce Daniel Kettler wrote: > Activity in certain parts of the brain inhibit psychic > functioning, so when those parts are held back, then > psychic functioning is permitted a greater opportunity. We've been over this before. This is old. It's well established, and you agreed, that if a person uses the part of the brain that does the thinking less, he will experience the paranormal more. The secret to finding paranormal events in abundance, therefore, is not to think. Dan, Psychic Investigator ###### From: Phil Harrison Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:19:52 +0000 Organization: Hermetic Order of the Golden Sprout Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk [194.222.228.63] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 42 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ramtop.demon.co.uk!pharrison In article <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com>, Bruce Daniel Kettler writes >Phil Harrison wrote: > >> In article <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au>, John Fitzsimons >> writes > >> >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic >> >sensitivity. > >> Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the >> brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, >> actually enhance psychic abilities? > >Activity in certain parts of the brain inhibit psychic >functioning, so when those parts are held back, then >psychic functioning is permitted a greater opportunity. I don't suppose that you can back this claim up with evidence can you? If we're just speculating here then perhaps I can suggest my own hypothesis: Intoxicating drugs or physical damage to the brain can affect the way the brain works in such a way that input from the normal senses is perceived (or remembered) as being extra-sensory in nature. > >> I also wonder which intoxicants/drugs are considered better for >> enhancing psychic abilities... > >Oh, don't go off and running to the nearest drug store, >or doctor to get a prescription. Of course I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. I'm sure that doctors would require extensive double-blind testing before subscribing drugs for this purpose. > >HA HA! Ho hum. -- Phil Harrison ###### From: Phil Harrison Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:21:44 +0000 Organization: Hermetic Order of the Golden Sprout Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> <34B0748E.ACB421DD@ns.vvm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk [194.222.228.63] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 27 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ramtop.demon.co.uk!pharrison In article <34B0748E.ACB421DD@ns.vvm.com>, Dan Pressnell writes >Bruce Daniel Kettler wrote: > >> Activity in certain parts of the brain inhibit psychic >> functioning, so when those parts are held back, then >> psychic functioning is permitted a greater opportunity. > >We've been over this before. This is old. > >It's well established, and you agreed, that if a person uses the part of >the brain that does the thinking less, he will experience the paranormal >more. > >The secret to finding paranormal events in abundance, therefore, is not >to think. Thanks for reminding me why I started subscribing to alt.paranormal. -- Sir Phil Harrison BsD. SKEP-TI-CULT® Member #64-53649-969 Knight of the Great Debunkening Archangel of afb-k Member, Board of Directors of afa-b alt.fan.bruce-kettler FAQ: http://www.ramtop.demon.co.uk/afbkfaq/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:44:53 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34b360eb.7498158@news.melbpc.org.au> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> <34B0748E.ACB421DD@ns.vvm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: b2-3.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!mic.fibernet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!news.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:50:06 -0600, Dan Pressnell wrote: < snip > >The secret to finding paranormal events in abundance, therefore, is not >to think. To be more "psychically aware" at a particular time, having a period where one keeps thinking of mundane things to the minimum, helps. The term usually used for this reduced thinking period is generally "meditation". Meditation does not necessarily increase psychic activity BUT it can make one more aware of it. Most skeptics do NOT do meditation so their psychic awareness is often less than it could be. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk Subject: Locating Psi Abilities Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:01:30 -0600 Message-ID: <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo Organization: Deja News Posting Service References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 06 18:52:50 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 144.82.29.15 (pluto.dcs.bbk.ac.uk) Lines: 35 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article , Phil Harrison wrote: > >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic > >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the > >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of > >drink/drugs. I have a theory. It is well documented that the higher the level of creativity within a person, or ability to intuitively 'pick up' anothers emotions, are signs for potential psychic awareness. Indeed, as you have stated, such sensitivity can be artifically induced via drugs. However, what about other methods which enforce the systemmatic reduction or impairment of the senses. If you take an individual and subject them to ganzfeld type experimentation, it has been proved that they will on average be more receptive to paranormal phenomena. Yet these are transient methodologies. The experiment -as such- has a fixed time period, after which the patient resumes his/her normal life style. But what about those whose senses have been deliberately imapired over a long period of time. I am *not* taking about any form of disability here, but people who have been removed from an active, socially stimulating environment, to one of restiction and solitude ie. State prisoners. Have there been any tests completed on the psychic awareness of people who have incurred long periods of solitary confinement? Surely if the senses have been numbed to such an extent, then the hidden, inner creativity or psi will be forced to the fore, to compensate for such banality? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ###### From: Phil Harrison Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:04:41 +0000 Organization: Hermetic Order of the Golden Sprout Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ramtop.demon.co.uk [194.222.228.63] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 15 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ramtop.demon.co.uk!pharrison In article <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com>, amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk writes >In article , > Phil Harrison wrote: > >> >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic >> >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the >> >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of >> >drink/drugs. Please take more care when quoting from other articles. The paragraph you quote above comes from John Fitzsimmons, not from me. -- Phil Harrison ###### From: ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 7 Jan 1998 02:51:27 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <68uqjf$7h4$2@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.66 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-HWFN] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!james!ab801 Phil Harrison (pharrison@ramtop.demon.co.uk) wrote: : >> Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the : >> brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, : >> actually enhance psychic abilities? : >Activity in certain parts of the brain inhibit psychic : >functioning, so when those parts are held back, then : >psychic functioning is permitted a greater opportunity. : I don't suppose that you can back this claim up with evidence can you? Some people have noted a correlation between head injuries and remarkable new mental abilities (some normal, some "paranormal"), but the far greater proportion simply suffer damage and loss of function. With such statistics, I would accord the phenomenon the same credibility as ball lightning - the number of reports is enough to warrant suspension of disbelief, and further investigation, but not enough to warrant believing in the phenomenon outright. : Intoxicating drugs or physical damage to the brain can affect the way : the brain works in such a way that input from the normal senses is : perceived (or remembered) as being extra-sensory in nature. Without regard for the issue of brain damage, examining and eliminating the potential for subliminal perception is primary to defining that an anomalous form of cognition exists. The above is VERY true, so we need to be sure that is NOT happening in EACH case before examining "stranger" possibilities..... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***WARNING*** POSTING ADDRESS IS SPAM FILTERED - Do not use the "freenet" address to reply. Reply to "charles@hwcn.org" to have your mail received. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory - Hamilton-Wentworth Community Network NewsMaster E-Mail: charles@hwcn.org Personal Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ab801 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinions expressed are my own, and do NOT represent the opinions or policies of HWCN, except where those policies are explicitly quoted. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ###### From: ab801@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 7 Jan 1998 02:56:07 GMT Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <68uqs7$7h4$3@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <34B02296.43CD3479@psicounsel.com> <34B0748E.ACB421DD@ns.vvm.com> <34b360eb.7498158@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.66 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-HWFN] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!recycled.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!news.hwcn.org!james!ab801 John Fitzsimons (johnf@melbpc.org.au) wrote: : Most skeptics do NOT do meditation so their psychic awareness is often : less than it could be. How do you know they don't, John? Meditation can be very useful for clearing the mind and promoting better thinking without "awakening" any paranormal sense or ability. I understand your experiences with meditation can lead to this idea, but it is equally valid to assume that simple clear thinking can result from meditation..... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***WARNING*** POSTING ADDRESS IS SPAM FILTERED - Do not use the "freenet" address to reply. Reply to "charles@hwcn.org" to have your mail received. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory - Hamilton-Wentworth Community Network NewsMaster E-Mail: charles@hwcn.org Personal Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ab801 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinions expressed are my own, and do NOT represent the opinions or policies of HWCN, except where those policies are explicitly quoted. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ###### From: rmottare@powerup.com.au (Raymot) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 7 Jan 1998 11:35:57 GMT Organization: Powerup Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-ID: <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3401.powerup.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail In article , pharrison@ramtop.demon.co.uk says... >Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the >brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, >actually enhance psychic abilities? [...] >Phil Harrison Well Phil, I imagine one reason could be that much neurophysiological activity is inhibitory rather than excitatory. Let me postulate that the brain has evolved to deal with physical reality as most humans generally conceive it to be. Let's assume that psychic events occur, but that dwelling too much on them decreases one's chance of survival to reproductive age. The person who fights off physical bears and wolves lives longer than the one who converses with "supernatural" animals. Hence, a predominance of physical thinking is selected for over supernatural thinking. However the supernatural doesn't cease to exist just because we have evolved away from seeing it. We have evolved by developing neuronal systems (or perhaps even whole parts of the brain) that function to suppress awareness of the supernatural. Ergo, if that system or part or neurotransmitter etc. is injuried or tampered with by drugs, the inhibitory effect is lost, and the person "sees" what has always been there. Of course, that's not to suggest that I believe that only brain-damaged and intoxicated people can be psychic. We've probably reached a stage of civilization where it's not so evolutionarily disadvantageous to participate in this sort of mental functioning. Raymot ====== Brisbane, Australia [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ ###### From: "Br. Kurt Van Kuren OSB" Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 7 Jan 1998 14:34:33 GMT Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 74 Message-ID: <01bd1b89$f02ea460$1c76a58e@research> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts00ad28.sk.sympatico.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news Though it's not exactly in the realm of science, the science-fiction bestseller "Neanderthal" covers a great deal of this argument. The authour was kind enough to include references to scientific theories in the differences between Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon brains, the most speculative of the theories being that the Neanderthals were highly psychic, and the Cro-Magnons (us) weren't. Raymot wrote in article <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au>... > In article , pharrison@ramtop.demon.co.uk says... > > >Why would using substances that impair the normal functioning of the > >brain, or head traumas that physically damage part of the brain, > >actually enhance psychic abilities? > [...] > >Phil Harrison > > Well Phil, I imagine one reason could be that much > neurophysiological activity is inhibitory rather than > excitatory. Let me postulate that the brain has evolved > to deal with physical reality as most humans generally > conceive it to be. > Let's assume that psychic events occur, but that > dwelling too much on them decreases one's chance > of survival to reproductive age. > The person who fights off physical bears and wolves > lives longer than the one who converses with > "supernatural" animals. This isn't the case for me. My peripheral ability--remote viewing--*only* turns on consistently when I am faced with physical danger. Then it's constant. Otherwise, my remote viewing only seems to work if a loved one is in danger, and the functioning is significantly lower. > Hence, a predominance of physical thinking is selected > for over supernatural thinking. However the supernatural > doesn't cease to exist just because we have evolved away > from seeing it. > You're on the right track here. I think, however, the real reason is that left-hemispheric dominance and speech evolved, and they turned out to be more of a survival advantage than psi impressions picked up by the right parietal lobe. > We have evolved by developing neuronal systems (or perhaps > even whole parts of the brain) that function to suppress > awareness of the supernatural. Yes. Neanderthals didn't partly because they didn't have a larnyx capable of creating vowels, and that severely limits speech possibilities. Compare to gorillas: some researchers claim that Neanderthals had a *roaring bone* in their larnyx (about the size of a small toothpick) that makes roaring ever so much more effective, but crimps one's ability to sing. > Ergo, if that system or part > or neurotransmitter etc. is injuried or tampered with by > drugs, the inhibitory effect is lost, and the person "sees" > what has always been there. This is Darryl Bem's underlying theory about the effectiveness of the ganzfield tests. He also had better (much better) results when he chose people known for high creative (often right-brain) gifts. > Of course, that's not to suggest that I believe that > only brain-damaged and intoxicated people can be psychic. > We've probably reached a stage of civilization where it's > not so evolutionarily disadvantageous to participate in > this sort of mental functioning. > Most likely even necessary. Some psi abilities are very much a combat advantage. ###### From: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:53:07 -0600 Message-ID: <884280952.856621074@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.magick Organization: Deja News Posting Service References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 08 17:35:52 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 144.82.29.15 (pluto.dcs.bbk.ac.uk) Lines: 22 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: ccw.ch alt.paranormal:1230 alt.magick:44 In article , Phil Harrison wrote: > > In article <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com>, amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk > writes > >In article , > > Phil Harrison wrote: > > > >> >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic > >> >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the > >> >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of > >> >drink/drugs. > > Please take more care when quoting from other articles. The paragraph > you quote above comes from John Fitzsimmons, not from me. Sorry, but I appear to be confused. Are you the one who is quoting someone who is discussing drugs, or are you the one who is currently sticking them up one nostril? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ###### From: davidh@crl.com Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: 9 Jan 1998 19:15:10 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 126 Message-ID: <695svu$i9e$1@nnrp1.crl.com> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl3.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970417; sun4m SunOS 4.1.3_U1] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!nntp2.crl.com!nnrp1.crl.com!not-for-mail Interesting theory. In fact I was thinking along those lines yesterday in hearing of the verdict and sentencing for Ramsey Yousef (re: the world trade center bombing and the trial that recently ended). The sentence is life in prison in solitary confinement. I think people tend to go 'crazy' in solitary. There's probably stories you can find written by people who had been in solitary. One thing about 'crazy' is that the 'crazy' are often that way because their psychic sense is opened up and they're seeing oddball stuff that's there in the astral plane and they're seeing it and nobody else sees it. Since society doesn't know how to deal with someone who can see and converse and interact with the entities on the astral plane this causes problems and difficulties. There's also the flotation chamber experiments. along the lines of using isolation to create interesting experiences. Also people often report in sweat lodge experiences along the lines of psychic abilities. Also the psychomanteum arrangement that Dr. Moody put together relies on isolation. See his book _Reunions_. There's probably more you could find if you are interested in looking further. However .... this isn't the only way of developing psychic ability. First off an important idea, for me, came from something that I read a couple years ago. It is that development of psychic ability is not the goal of being. No, the goal we all have is development of spiritual self, of becoming a better and happier person. If we pin our happiness to being psychic, or pin our happiness to any thing, we will probably be disappointed. Sometimes, often in fact, a side effect of development of the spiritual self and becoming a better person is development of psychic ability. What I see is that the thing which most gets in the way of my psychic sense is my fears. I start to see, the fear says "OH NO!" and the sight shuts down immediately. As I've worked with the fears and continued to exercise my senses it gets easier and clearer all the time. Another way is beliefs can be buried inside that psychic ability doesn't exist so therefore I can't have them. You have to work with that belief and recognize that it is there and it is a possibility. That belief can give healthy skepticism. But to develop psychic ability you can't let that belief stop you. Skepticism is fine but like all other -isms if you take it too far it becomes a hindrance. Finally is focus and interest. If you do not stay focused on developing self then you will not develop self. It is very simple. What you focus on in your doings is what develops from what you do. If you do not do the things that develops self, then your self will not develop and you do not develop self. Finally ... for a different view of all this I suggest reading through Barbara Brennans two books _Light Emerging_ and _Hands of Light_. These books are about psychic healing or spiritual healing or, as I prefer to call it, energy healing. I am a student at her school. The books give a very clear and detailed description of the human energy field, the universal energy field, and the way it all interacts. For developing psychic ability you can get into the mechanics of the energy flows that can create psychic ability. For instance at the root of seeing clairvoyantly is two things; opening the third eye chakra on a level of the field appropriate for what you want to see enough energy flowing to the third eye chakra so that it can see So if you want to get mechanical about it you can ignore all the stuff about spiritual development of self and do that. It is up to you. David In alt.paranet.ufo amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote: : In article , : Phil Harrison wrote: : > >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic : > >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the : > >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of : > >drink/drugs. : I have a theory. It is well documented that the higher the level of : creativity within a person, or ability to intuitively 'pick up' : anothers emotions, are signs for potential psychic awareness. Indeed, : as you have stated, such sensitivity can be artifically induced via : drugs. : However, what about other methods which enforce the systemmatic : reduction or impairment of the senses. If you take an individual and : subject them to ganzfeld type experimentation, it has been proved that : they will on average be more receptive to paranormal phenomena. Yet : these are transient methodologies. The experiment -as such- has a fixed : time period, after which the patient resumes his/her normal life style. : But what about those whose senses have been deliberately imapired over : a long period of time. I am *not* taking about any form of disability : here, but people who have been removed from an active, socially : stimulating environment, to one of restiction and solitude ie. State : prisoners. : Have there been any tests completed on the psychic awareness of people : who have incurred long periods of solitary confinement? Surely if the : senses have been numbed to such an extent, then the hidden, inner : creativity or psi will be forced to the fore, to compensate for such : banality? : -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- : http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet -- Web site creation and hosting assistance available for spiritual healers and teachers. See http://7gen.com for more info ###### From: rmottare@powerup.com.au (Raymot) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 9 Jan 1998 20:27:01 GMT Organization: Powerup Lines: 55 Message-ID: <69616l$kun$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> <34b7f76c.5370408@news.melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3409.powerup.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail In article <34b7f76c.5370408@news.melbpc.org.au>, johnf@melbpc.org.au says... > >On 7 Jan 1998 11:35:57 GMT, rmottare@powerup.com.au (Raymot) wrote: > >< snip > >>The person who fights off physical bears and wolves >>lives longer than the one who converses with >>"supernatural" animals. > >Interesting train of thought. There is also a counter opinion >that might suggest that the person who was psychic would >"intuitively" know where bears were so be better able to >avoid fighting them. :-) Alas, I think it's been demonstrated often enough, even here on this very newsgroup, that psychics in general just don't know where the bears are. Or if they do, they're not telling! >>We've probably reached a stage of civilization where it's >>not so evolutionarily disadvantageous to participate in >>this sort of mental functioning. > >Yes, and no. Though more people are perhaps freer to follow psychic >interests "sensitive" people can often find it hard to "cope" with the >negative energies/entities in our society. Many breakdowns are due to >psychic overloading. Well "sensitive" people aren't burnt as witches these days (not even figuratively) and people who have psychotic breakdowns aren't bound in chains, but are generally treated with more compassion than at any time in history (only speaking for Australia here). No doubt there have always been "negative energies/ entities" in the various societies. I guess if more people are following psychic interests, more people are getting hurt, given that it's become a popular thing to do and that there is not yet a culture of teaching how to do this safely. >"Closing down" psychically is what many people do in these situations. >This is why one will often find people in the country more psychically >"open". They often feel less under "threat" than their city >counterparts. > >Regards, John. Have studies been done with statistical analyses, or is this an anecdotal impression you have? Raymot ====== Brisbane, Australia [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ ###### From: rmottare@powerup.com.au (Raymot) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Where Is It In The Brain? Locating Psi Abilities Date: 9 Jan 1998 20:41:01 GMT Organization: Powerup Lines: 56 Message-ID: <69620t$kun$2@grissom.powerup.com.au> References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> <01bd1b89$f02ea460$1c76a58e@research> <884282986.968228878@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3409.powerup.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!mn6.swip.net!nntp.uio.no!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail In article <884282986.968228878@dejanews.com>, amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk says... > >> Raymot wrote in article >> <68vpat$2om$1@grissom.powerup.com.au>... >> > We have evolved by developing neuronal systems (or perhaps >> > even whole parts of the brain) that function to suppress >> > awareness of the supernatural. > > Actually, I would suggest the opposite. We are in constant unity with >our psi or inner-self, only it has evolved to such an extent, that >psionic alpha waves are overloading our subconscious to the point where >our waking mind refuses to acknowledge their presence. A sort of >safety-valve system has thus been engendered within us. > > Thus who can access the hidden psi within themselves have simply learned >to loosen the valve a little to let their inherrent ability come to the >fore. This theory would also help explain why so many prominent psychics >have eventually had breakdowns of some sort or other. As they have not >learned to effectively block the flow of psi, after turning it on, it >inevitably serves to overpower them. Yes, that's certainly a good metaphorical way of expressing what could have happened to many people. :) Raymot ======= Brisbane, Australia [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ ###### From: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:11:22 -0600 Message-ID: <884444801.830210056@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.dreams,alt.psychology Organization: Deja News Posting Service References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> <695svu$i9e$1@nnrp1.crl.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 10 15:06:41 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 144.82.29.13 (cronos.dcs.bbk.ac.uk) Lines: 76 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <695svu$i9e$1@nnrp1.crl.com>, davidh@crl.com wrote -on the subject of incrementing psi-awareness, via deprevation of the sense-: > Interesting theory. In fact I was thinking along those lines yesterday > in hearing of the verdict and sentencing for Ramsey Yousef (re: the > world trade center bombing and the trial that recently ended). The > sentence is life in prison in solitary confinement. Yes. I hope we can open up the bandwidth, for an indepth discussion of this topic. No doubt research into this area has been carried out for many years now, within prisions and mental asylums. It is simply human curiosity to wish to explore, regardless of whether or not the subjects themselves have a say in the matter. Personally, I believe such research is necessary, even if it may appear slightly dubious to some camps. > I think people tend to go 'crazy' in solitary. There's probably > stories you can find written by people who had been in solitary. > One thing about 'crazy' is that the 'crazy' are often that way because > their psychic sense is opened up and they're seeing oddball stuff > that's there in the astral plane and they're seeing it and nobody else > sees it. Since society doesn't know how to deal with someone who can > see and converse and interact with the entities on the astral plane > this causes problems and difficulties. Precisely the point I raised in a another post! It's good to see that we are mentally 'in-tune' with one another. Although I can only theorize as to the overloading of the mind with what I call 'psionic alpha-waves', it has certainly been proven that volunteers who are subjected to extreme stimulation of the senses, have experienced almost visionary moments. As far as astral projection is concerned, many proponents of mind- awakening drugs such as LSD, have certainly had such encounters with alternate dimensions. Although the skeptics amongst us may well scoff, there is no absolute proof to deny that what these people were experiencing was not indeed another plane of existence altogether. Which brings me nicely onto my second point. The fact is that I believe we exist in two dimensions. That of the physical and spiritual. Indeed it this second plane which we encounter when we are dreaming -or if we have been subject to sensory inhibition/ stimulation. Or should I say, those that are more psychically attuned encounter, the rest simply 'glimpsing' what is there. This other realm is so complex for us to behold, that our senses replace what is actually there, with images from our waking conscience. Yet, the more attuned we are to our hidden psi, the more we can intrude into its 'reality'. Some people glimpse this dimension in what has now been termed 'lucid dreaming' by members of the de facto establishment. I would be interested to learn how many lucid dreamers out there have not actually attempted to distort and intentionally change -at will- this dream environment, but have simply watched and allowed communication with other dream beings to evolve naturally. If they had been encouraged in this fashion, then perhaps they may have been more aware that what they were in fact 'conversing' with was an inter-dimensional being. Whether these beings are 'as is' or are simply our psi made 'flesh' so to speak, is a matter open to debate. However if we take the theory that we are all one higher spiritual being who is attempting to explore her existence via the physical plane, it seems to make no difference either way. > In alt.paranet.ufo amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk wrote: > : In article , > : Phil Harrison wrote: > > : > >Taking intoxicants, or drugs, can result in increased psychic > : > >sensitivity. Generally this sensitivity makes one more "open to" the > : > >lower realm energies/entities that are around heavy users of > : > >drink/drugs. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch (remove .nospam) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.dreams,alt.psychology Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: 11 Jan 1998 03:03:47 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <01bd1614$0d355d40$0d74a58e@research> <68ffgc$edo$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <01bd16d8$0620c5c0$1a66a58e@research> <34ac2037.8683609@news.melbpc.org.au> <884112770.1119485957@dejanews.com> <695svu$i9e$1@nnrp1.crl.com> <884444801.830210056@dejanews.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 In article <695svu$i9e$1@nnrp1.crl.com> davidh@crl.com wrote > I think people tend to go 'crazy' in solitary. There's probably > stories you can find written by people who had been in solitary. > One thing about 'crazy' is that the 'crazy' are often that way because > their psychic sense is opened up and they're seeing oddball stuff > that's there in the astral plane and they're seeing it and nobody else > sees it. Since society doesn't know how to deal with someone who can > see and converse and interact with the entities on the astral plane > this causes problems and difficulties. amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk added to this: > Precisely the point I raised in a another post! It's good to see that >we are mentally 'in-tune' with one another. Although I can only theorize >as to the overloading of the mind with what I call 'psionic alpha-waves', >it has certainly been proven that volunteers who are subjected to extreme >stimulation of the senses, have experienced almost visionary moments. What about a far simpler explanation including no hypothetical "overloading" or "waves"? Such as lack of input? Human brains are in the constant danger of loosing contact with reality. The most successfull method to prevent this is the regular reality check resulting from communication with an as wide as possible range of others. This regularily produces contradictions that remind one of ones limitedness and drives the process of eliminating misslead thoughts as fast as they are created. Pathological states are the easiest triggered by losing contact with others, such are manifest in cults (yes that word) that regard themselves as the only truth, others as danger to their trutha and therefore shield their members from disturbing points of view. Now what human predicament is capable of producing total loss of communication with others than long solitary cell confinement? No need for some phenomena you call 'psionic alpha-waves' and don't even bother to tell us what you are talking about (a description of what they look/sound/smell/taste/feel like). -- Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch (remove .nospam), http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: If I go missing, its once again my newsfeed that has craped ###### From: silkdick@aol.com (Silk Dick) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: Re: Locating Psi Abilities Date: 12 Jan 1998 07:48:54 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: <19980112074800.CAA01253@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <884444801.830210056@dejanews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <884444801.830210056@dejanews.com>, amulv01@dcs.bbk.ac.uk writes: > I think people tend to go 'crazy' in solitary. There's probably stories you can find written by people who had been in solitary. ha ha! doubt you'll find any quite like mine, but here goes: I was in Canada, looking for my true love, when a trap which had been laid for me 4 years earlier was sprung. (I eventually got out of all of this, but at the time, things were rather hectic...) While in a Canadian jail, I was moved from cell block to cell block because none of the inmates there could deal with me. Finally, I went to get some water from a fountain, and a female guard had me placed in solitary confinement for the duration of my stay at "Hotel Milton..." Well... needless to say, I quickly realized that solitary is the SAFEST place to be, because even the GUARDS can't come in without medical cause, or if you are scheduled for something. So.... I began to sing. and MAN can I SING! (I'm a soloist at my church...) and I can sing LOUD!!! after a few rounds of "Amazing Grace", the guards were pounding on my door to get me to shut the "heck" up! heheheheh! too bad... they were never more happy to get me out of that prison!! :-) I was in solitary for (I think) around 2 weeks. Moreso than most usual confinements, which are only for a few days as punishment. They did NOT want me coming back again!! :-) PS: I found my woman, and asked her to divorce her Canadian husband and marry me. Still waiting for her to figure out a way to say "yes" to that proposal... after all, it took me 14 years to get around to asking her, I figure she deserves a little time to get back to me with a reply... Pleasant Dreams |-) Silk Richard.Silk@Juno.Com SilkDick@aol.com Pager #615-923-1696