From: "ufotruth@ix.netcom.com" < ufotruth@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.ufo.reports,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.alien.research,alt.paranormal Subject: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: 26 Dec 1997 13:58:47 GMT Organization: alien Lines: 149 Message-ID: <01bccb45$ae256700$2208b8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sav-ga1-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Dec 26 7:58:47 AM CST 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!mn6.swip.net!nntp.uio.no!newsfeeds.sol.net!ix.netcom.com!news CHRISTMAS DAY 1997 American Computer Company, in a very brief "fireside" press conference held at the lakeside home of its President in New Jersey this morning, issued a short statement: "We'd like to first wish all of our friends in the UFO Watch / ETI Community a very, very happy and healthy Holiday Season on this beautiful, warm United States Christmas Morning, the second day of Hannukah, the month of Kwaanza, the year of 1997..." "In the past two weeks, one of our business competitors, IBM Corporation, also a customer of a part of our group of companies, has, through several employees, made dishonest, slanderous and negative comments with racial and religious overtones, against us at American Computer Company, directly, and in part by email that misrepresented events involving one of their employees doubling as a MUFON field investigator.  We hope everyone realizes to what degree this constitutes an unprofessional and highly prejudicial act determined at unhinging our investigation of IBM, AT&T and the Roswell incidents." "Because there is no real significance to the unsubstantive statements made by IBM, ACC is no longer going to reply to the ongoing barrage in any manner but, only if required, by the filing of a Federal Lawsuit against IBM at a suitable time and in a suitable place.  This may have a secondary, beneficial effect of enabling us to take a reasonable degree of discovery as to documents and things in IBM's possession which relate to its involvement in the Roswell related incidents and with regard to its unusually well hidden interlocking business relationship with AT&T." "Our investigators have enlightened us to several facts." "A - IBM's reaction appears to be to the discovery that we had determined and verified its involvement in the effort to examine and decode information from what may have been the alleged Alien Craft which reportedly crash landed along the plains of San Agustin, in the vicinity of Roswell, New Mexico and the nearby city of Corona, New Mexico, between July 2nd and July 5th of 1947.  Such is reportedy a documented fact in the archives of the Pentagon, relating to a project at Langley Air Force Base that gave IBM direct contact with materials that were, in effect, technologically transferred to IBM as a part of the examination, via intellectual property analysis methods used in 1947 through 1951.  It appears likely that IBM and AT&T worked very closely on information, such as has been identified in the 'Shopkeeper's Record Notebook', a very large book of records which we have examined and which appears to have originated from said projects in 1947.  Technologies of interest to both IBM and AT&T, may have resulted in the forming of a compact that, in the light of Anti Trust Law, may be highly illegal, between them.  In a closed hearing regarding the matter of 'Problems Surrounding Civilian Requests pertaining to the Extraterrestrial Materials Handling Act of 1959' which took place in 1963, documents from IBM's post war study of the unexplained phenomena were key in making the Air Force apply for and obtain 'deep special handling treatment' for all documents that would have, had they been released, been dispositive that an Aerial Surveillance Craft of Alien Construction has been in the possession of the 'Special Department' (also known as E2)." "B - Deep Special Handling Treatment - is defined as, in essence, placing documents in a safe, along with any records of their existence, and then, without destroying them, locking the safe with its key inside of it, and placing a 24 hour around the clock Marine guard on the safe, instructed to shoot anyone which approaches the safe 'on sight'.  In addition, special forms of disclosure control documents are required of any commercial research facility which is engaged in the handling of materials which are described by documents under 'Special Handling Treatment' - implicitly rendering said company's ability to contract with the US Government a legal impossibility for a minimum of 5 years in the event of even a single breach of security.  Furthermore, such commercial contractors must engage in a 'confidential undercover position', one or more employees of an Authorized National Security Agency, such as the NSA or the OSI.  Said operatives are then to be provided whatever resources are required to use their commercial position to further 'insure the security' of the materials, research and the knowledge that the 'Special Handling Treatment' classification applies to them and the documents being held in said manner.  No official records exist of this highly classified procedure in the public sector." "C - Only orders of the Commanding Officer of the NSA, OSI or E2 organization can countermand DEEP-SHT classification treatment, and the operatives involved, which could be numerous, report only to a 'control' directed by said Commanding Officer.  Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are DEEP-SHT (pronounced "deep sheet") documents or any objects, information or things related to them, or the procedures and logistics involving them EVER PRODUCED in response to a public FOIA Request, and in virtually all cases, unless a Committee of Congress formally follows a special procedure for compelling the production of such DEEP-SHT materials, information and things, any and all requests from individual members of the House, the Senate, and barring the existence of a formal Declaration of War, the President, are IGNORED with respect to these kinds of materials.  The purpose behind this procedure is to insure that no member of Congress, nor the President, have personal knowledge of matters which might be compromised or might compromise them, under the special circumstances of the DEEP-SHT classification proceedure, in spite of the fact that such might be deemed illegal or unconstitutional by certain legal experts." "D - It is our opinion that AT&T and IBM hiding the special 'compact' between them, may be a sign of what appears to be an attempt to circumvent what might have been deemed an 'unlawful combination' in legal terms, and that might just provide us the legal leverage necessary to undermine the ongoing hiding of documents about the 'Extraterrestrial Craft or Craft Crash Debris or UFO' the DOD may have sequesteres, and which lately has become of PARAMOUNT INTEREST to what appears to be just about EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN old enough to understand what may be at stake in this matter, along with many persons following this unusual situation around the world." "IN CONCLUSION: at this time we believe the analysis of the Special Intelligence Branch of the US Department of Defense, recently underway at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, analyzing the collateral effects of the ACC investigation, and related efforts that touch upon the publications by W.Birnes/Lt. P. Corso,  Stanton Friedman, and Charles Berlitz, and statements by well respected scientific figures, including two NASA Astronauts, one of whom walked on the Lunar Surface, has suddenly concluded that a concensus is growing among the American Public demanding FULL IMMEDIATE DISCLOSURE of the facts in this case.   The present position of this study group is to 'undermine the effort' rather than capitulate to it." "TO THE DOD, WE CHALLENGE ANY EFFORT TO UNDERMINE THE RESOLVE OF AMERICAN CITIZENS TO LEARN THE TRUTH: In our opinion, that would be both a TRAGIC and possibly, a FATAL LOGISTICAL ERROR.  The SIB, the Air Force and the 1600 Army Pentagon Intelligence Oversight Board under the Joint Chiefs of Staff should immediately voluntarily succomb to the mounting pressure from the Public, instead of allowing it to continue to mount and thereby further undermine public trust and confidence in our government and our military.  In essence: immediately, and without semantic nor technical debate, release TO THE PUBLIC both the information about the alleged contact with an Alien Species and said alleged Alien Craft in your possession, unconditionally.  There are matters hanging on your decision that have progressed well 'above and beyond' the ultimate vision presently possessed by the Pentagon, high matters of constitutional duty and honor that the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs are unwittingly and completely UNAWARE OF, may represent a 'test of your courage and wisdom' with very far reaching implications, in fact implications you do not even suspect at this time." "We at the American Computer Company believe that the pressure on the US Government to 'reveal all' is so great at this time, that the appropriate individuals in the DoD can HARDLY continue to ignore it and hardly can continue to believe the American People either too stupid or too immature to continue to be willingly factually misled." "We WELCOME any response worth debating or listening to from the Department of Defense and pray that, in the DoD's wisdom, it finds it within itself to respond quickly, thoroughly and without holding back further information about the alleged Alien Flying Object.  As to IBM and AT&T, that matters is likely one for the next United States Attorney General."       (c) 1997, 1998  American Computer Company.  All Rights Reserved. ###### From: lisfan@i1.net (lisfan) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.ufo.reports,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.alien.research,alt.paranormal Subject: Re: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: 27 Dec 1997 20:00:46 GMT Organization: Internet First, Inc Lines: 23 Message-ID: <683mpe$mlp$1@news1.i1.net> References: <01bccb45$ae256700$2208b8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-7stl152.i1.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in2.uu.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail You know, if UFOlogy ever weants to be seen as something other than a highly derivative form of science fiction, UFOlogists should start by not borrowing old science fiction ideas--especially the obsolete ones. The idea of adapting alien technology is one such chestnut that was wonderfully skewered by John Campbell in "Analog" several years ago. I forget the text of the article, but let me use a similar analogy to the one Campbell used: Let's say that we packed up a brand new 1998 model Pentium 2 computer and sent it back 50 years in time, to 1948. Would the scientists of that day have any sort of clue as to how to duplicate that computer? Would they be able to do anything with the microchips other than to take them apart and ruin them? The computer would suggest to them possible solutions what was then computer science (once they learned how to use it), but the implementation of those solutions would be another thing entirely. And all of this with a mere 50 year gap, using human technology, and familiar components (the keyboard, the language used, and so on). Alien technology would be even harder to decode. ###### From: au@ix.netcom.com(au) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.ufo.reports,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.alien.research,alt.paranormal Subject: Re: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: 28 Dec 1997 03:16:32 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <684gag$mal@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bccb45$ae256700$2208b8cd@default> <683mpe$mlp$1@news1.i1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: eug-or3-54.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Dec 27 7:16:32 PM PST 1997 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news >Let's say that we packed up a brand new 1998 model Pentium 2 computer and >sent it back 50 years in time, to 1948. > >Would the scientists of that day have any sort of clue as to how to >duplicate that computer? Would they be able to do anything with the >microchips other than to take them apart and ruin them? The word is observation. You see how it operates before even beginning to "take it apart". This is something along the same lines of thinking that ancient civilizations were somehow of a lower IQ than present man. 2000 to 4000 years is nothing in the evolutionary time frame. They might have had different tools to work with, but they were just a clever. When your only talking 50 years in the present development of technology, yes I believe the scientists of that age could figure out how to operate and disassemble a Pentium computer. au ###### From: John.Mcgowan@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) Date: 05 Jan 98 03:13:38 GMT Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Message-ID: <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com> References: <684gag$mal@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> X-FTN-To: au Organization: Fidonet: The GhostRider BBS Glendale, Az. (602) 580-4846 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.181.55.208 Lines: 66 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!news.randori.com!news-out.netasset.com!newsfeed.kcdata.com!207.87.184.8.MISMATCH!news4.kcdata.com!wierius!ghostrdr!john.mcgowan * While talking of ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! on au replied ... au> From: au@ix.netcom.com(au) Subject: Re: ACC: The Air Force has NO au> OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Organization: Netcom > Let's say that we packed up a brand new 1998 model Pentium 2 computer and > sent it back 50 years in time, to 1948. > Would the scientists of that day have any sort of clue as to how to > duplicate that computer? Would they be able to do anything with the > microchips other than to take them apart and ruin them? au> The word is observation. You see how it operates before even au> beginning to "take it apart". This is something along the same lines au> of thinking that ancient civilizations were somehow of a lower IQ than au> present man. 2000 to 4000 years is nothing in the evolutionary time au> frame. They might have had different tools to work with, but they were au> just a clever. When your only talking 50 years in the present au> development of technology, yes I believe the scientists of that age au> could figure out how to operate and disassemble a Pentium computer. au> au In one respect you are right. The first step would be to plug it in and play with it. Once the scientists tired of seeing what the computer can do, then the smart ones would take the covers off the Computer, monitor, etc and play some more. While one set of Scientists played, the others would watch the goings on of the inside view and see how things work. This includes the opening up of any Drives, or anything with a screw or bolt for that matter. :) Finally they would get to the phase where they rip things apart totally. The last thing they would do is cut things apart, with the first being simple disassembling. The 1940s and even 1950s are too soon, Science had some knowledge of how things worked at that time. Their interest would mostly be in the Micro-Technology. I doubt if there is anything in a modern computer that would be that alien in nature to them to cause them to ruin the only Pentium PC in existance. :) Their orders would be to study it, but save it in working order for they know it may take years to create a replacement. When they can not go any further, they would piece things back together and use it as it is. Now when the computer quit working, they may disect everything, but most probably they would not before the computer died of it's own accord. Being Clever, or inventive, is not the proper stance to take. No one in their right mind would say that ancient man was not clever. If that statement was right, then we would still be in that stage. Man was Childish, in some ways, and overall more intelligent than modern man is in others. That does not equate them to being dumb, they just did not have the experiences built up from their past that we do today from our past. Many people today have no concept on how to kill and prepare their food. They buy their meat already prepackaged. But then again, ancient man had no idea how to make a computer or automobile. :) This is called a trade off. -- |Fidonet: John Mcgowan 1:114/314 |Internet: John.Mcgowan@ghostrdr.wierius.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. ###### From: Sherilyn Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 02:46:08 +0000 Organization: None Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <684gag$mal@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sidaway.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sidaway.demon.co.uk [158.152.43.216] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 12 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sidaway.demon.co.uk!Sherilyn Xref: ccw.ch alt.paranormal:1007 sci.skeptic:368 In article <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com>, John Mcgowan writes .... > >The first step would be to plug it in and play with it. ..... Phzzzt! You just fried the chips. Thank you for playing. -- Sherilyn|Had a premonition lately? Get it registered! Get it noticed! misc.predictions.registry http://www.manx2.demon.co.uk/news/faq.htm ###### From: twitchb@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:26:01 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <690agm$blc@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <684gag$mal@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.147.165 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: ccw.ch alt.paranormal:1059 sci.skeptic:376 Sherilyn wrote: >In article <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com>, John Mcgowan > writes > >... >> >>The first step would be to plug it in and play with it. >.... >Phzzzt! You just fried the chips. >Thank you for playing. >-- But where is the fish? ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch (remove .nospam) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal Subject: ACC: The Air Force has NO OPTION but to REVEAL the TRUTH! Date: 08 Jan 1998 02:00:55 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <684gag$mal@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <916_9801061128@ghostrdr.wierius.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 John.Mcgowan@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote: > This includes the opening up of any >Drives, or anything with a screw or bolt for that matter. :) >I doubt if there is anything in a modern computer that would be that alien in >nature to them to cause them to ruin the only Pentium PC in existance. :) These 2 lines contradict each other. Opening a Drive will ruin the Drive (by contamination) and consequently the computer as a whole. And who 50 years ago would suspect what looks like normal mechanics to require an clean air room and bunny suits? >Their orders would be to study it, but save it in working order for they know >it may take years to create a replacement. Orders sure. They would not deliberately destroy it. Just by not knowing any better they would quickly have one dead computer. Don't say that there is a "guarantee void if removed" sticker, on ET wquipment (and that started the discussion) such a sticker (if even existant) would not be readable. -- Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch (remove .nospam), http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: