From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /Kkf2KzCYZX988RaPBfcie1DKBD/ACpBuySJK7B+bZFOouX10vFLwHQ3otYYajzJ68INvFje/2GN!ifcOVClQKKkRHQ2CyNdokYtcIlcvp9IYmHrbZI5OC5TtEB1UYIWKBOKFtZNIdVj6Ro5gFHRYyZyM!lJ+daN5UcA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:29:43 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:29:43 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79387 I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would say. I was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my attention into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and states of being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at certain times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she felt about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body lying in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. *Was this some sort of information library? *Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would pop up immediately? -Louis ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +4LrtrIy2Oy4StyW9/pYtSRrBM9nxZcy6wBuCju3LL2R8Pjcq7zhaWrsHHt5LPNQKr77z6srdf4J!xxz+ggRQM/Lwxst8Zd3Qh+9nHtyRC59LMdmeQ8wsYEimDYSKT9Ywfx2BCFxGmecrJpR8CR+naws5!u1caPIN4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:23:18 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:23:19 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79439 "BD" wrote in message news:DGua8.6295$w67.790619@cletus.bright.net... > > Louis Ruiz wrote in message ... > >I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would say. I > >was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating > >areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my attention > >into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and states > of > >being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half > >expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at certain > >times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she felt > >about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning > >spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body lying > >in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. > > > >*Was this some sort of information library? > > > >*Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would pop > >up immediately? > > > >-Louis > > > I've had rotes as well, but they've always been presented one at a time. > They're very comforting, aren't they? The trouble with rotes is, that you > instantly *know* at a level which is far beyond your own capacity to > communicate it to others. It's more of an "emotional" understanding, which > cannot be put into words. It is the basis of communication outside of this > physical realm. In biblical terms, I believe that this is what was meant by > "the peace which comes through understanding." Also called a revelation. > Enjoy them, while you can! :) > > BD > > ***thanks,and your right it is hard to put into words. The sense of knowing is unshakeable. -Louis ###### From: "BD" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:34:16 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.180.197.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mhtc.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 1013610275 216.180.197.188 (Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:24:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:24:35 EST Organization: MHTC Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!feedme.news.mediaways.net!unlisys!news.snafu.de!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79416 Louis Ruiz wrote in message ... >I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would say. I >was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating >areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my attention >into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and states of >being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half >expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at certain >times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she felt >about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning >spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body lying >in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. > >*Was this some sort of information library? > >*Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would pop >up immediately? > >-Louis I've had rotes as well, but they've always been presented one at a time. They're very comforting, aren't they? The trouble with rotes is, that you instantly *know* at a level which is far beyond your own capacity to communicate it to others. It's more of an "emotional" understanding, which cannot be put into words. It is the basis of communication outside of this physical realm. In biblical terms, I believe that this is what was meant by "the peace which comes through understanding." Also called a revelation. Enjoy them, while you can! :) BD > > > ###### From: "The Countess" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +rUPLsDAS16TwdM2e7ETfYw/K4f75NoI6JKlvHK5cIL5Shzxp79S19uIyOSIl9TFDMimqgTtws99!UtFhqDuQH92nnPArfKjT/7EOMneZgj2Ma4OsB5fSkKRQXUuoqjqjGHHJV1ZpFBGptwJA8YOwjX5Q!lgZ8OQBd0sg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:36:49 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:36:51 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79568 BD wrote in message news:DGua8.6295$w67.790619@cletus.bright.net... > > Louis Ruiz wrote in message ... > >I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would say. I > >was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating > >areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my attention > >into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and states > of > >being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half > >expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at certain > >times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she felt > >about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning > >spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body lying > >in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. > > > >*Was this some sort of information library? > > > >*Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would pop > >up immediately? > > > >-Louis > > > I've had rotes as well, but they've always been presented one at a time. > They're very comforting, aren't they? The trouble with rotes is, that you > instantly *know* at a level which is far beyond your own capacity to > communicate it to others. It's more of an "emotional" understanding, which > cannot be put into words. It is the basis of communication outside of this > physical realm. In biblical terms, I believe that this is what was meant by > "the peace which comes through understanding." Also called a revelation. > Enjoy them, while you can! :) > > BD Damn. You get the rotes, and I get the rogues. Release me from this netherworld of OBE despair! ###### From: "BD" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 66 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <5XYa8.6447$w67.826067@cletus.bright.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:59:50 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.180.198.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mhtc.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 1013734209 216.180.198.213 (Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:50:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:50:09 EST Organization: MHTC Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79508 The Countess wrote in message ... > >BD wrote in message >news:DGua8.6295$w67.790619@cletus.bright.net... >> >> Louis Ruiz wrote in message ... >> >I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would say. >I >> >was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating >> >areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my attention >> >into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and states >> of >> >being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half >> >expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at >certain >> >times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she >felt >> >about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning >> >spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body >lying >> >in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. >> > >> >*Was this some sort of information library? >> > >> >*Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would >pop >> >up immediately? >> > >> >-Louis >> >> >> I've had rotes as well, but they've always been presented one at a time. >> They're very comforting, aren't they? The trouble with rotes is, that you >> instantly *know* at a level which is far beyond your own capacity to >> communicate it to others. It's more of an "emotional" understanding, >which >> cannot be put into words. It is the basis of communication outside of >this >> physical realm. In biblical terms, I believe that this is what was meant >by >> "the peace which comes through understanding." Also called a revelation. >> Enjoy them, while you can! :) >> >> BD > >Damn. You get the rotes, and I get the rogues. Release me from this >netherworld of OBE despair! > You're being melodramatic, my dear. (The wrist on the forehead was a nice touch, though!) Hahahahahaaaa! :) BD > ###### From: "The Countess" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <5XYa8.6447$w67.826067@cletus.bright.net> Subject: Re: a trip into a wierd state of being... Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +Sdx8Yq2+UfcYfJGoefYvO+Avm7ICBz1f/dDWDeWd7FGH8M2H3uXyYck3DpUfB48TtZ6QiRbnldh!FAnez/kvPAvylXoUIvh482OXQTJJ1JGFytaIUXAkX3ivWtmGfJHJF1sjOJJJ870omOSNR1GJHcNT!SBSrzGcJUww= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:02:57 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:02:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:79548 BD wrote in message news:5XYa8.6447$w67.826067@cletus.bright.net... > > The Countess wrote in message ... > > > >BD wrote in message > >news:DGua8.6295$w67.790619@cletus.bright.net... > >> > >> Louis Ruiz wrote in message ... > >> >I have just experienced going through many "rotes" , as Monroe would > say. > >I > >> >was in a lighted area where there was an uncountable amount of floating > >> >areas of activities or information packets. When I would dip my > attention > >> >into one, I would experience a multitude of feelings, thoughts and > states > >> of > >> >being that were interrelated and expressed a particular theme. I half > >> >expressed a desire to know what Elana (my wife) thought about me at > >certain > >> >times and immediately things shifted and I dipped into a rote. How she > >felt > >> >about me and responded to me instantly became a known. Like a lightning > >> >spark which conveyed everything in a moment. The awareness of my body > >lying > >> >in bed faded back in and I got up to ponder this experience. > >> > > >> >*Was this some sort of information library? > >> > > >> >*Did all I have to do was think of a subject and the information would > >pop > >> >up immediately? > >> > > >> >-Louis > >> > >> > >> I've had rotes as well, but they've always been presented one at a time. > >> They're very comforting, aren't they? The trouble with rotes is, that > you > >> instantly *know* at a level which is far beyond your own capacity to > >> communicate it to others. It's more of an "emotional" understanding, > >which > >> cannot be put into words. It is the basis of communication outside of > >this > >> physical realm. In biblical terms, I believe that this is what was meant > >by > >> "the peace which comes through understanding." Also called a revelation. > >> Enjoy them, while you can! :) > >> > >> BD > > > >Damn. You get the rotes, and I get the rogues. Release me from this > >netherworld of OBE despair! > > > > > > You're being melodramatic, my dear. (The wrist on the forehead was a nice > touch, though!) Hahahahahaaaa! :) > > BD pffffft!!!!!!!!!!