From: "Elana Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: can the OBE be proven Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> X-Trace: /wmC6FaDhkqWM4gAjftGpnxNBFvm4OvtkU9Eu52M7cz+5vd4lu6//umkkOubY+RIGp17JdsNfydt!CNwWbha2jBGr7d4p3R4SMw2C7od0ALu1R2TBnDqKDeRrJrrsBH5ADO6xhsw4czNO5tIHIWBGtgtQ!XTgelKtL X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:29:09 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:29:10 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75447 Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. ###### From: David Mitchell Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:44:04 +0000 Organization: Paradise Computer Software Message-ID: <3C298DD4.7AE3B9C9@edenroad.demon.co.uk> References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edenroad.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: edenroad.demon.co.uk:194.222.39.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1009356417 nnrp-07:18908 NO-IDENT edenroad.demon.co.uk:194.222.39.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.4-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!edenroad.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75443 Elana Ruiz wrote: > > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. Hi Elena, Have you been able to verify your OBE's using more precise experiments? To be more specific, have you tried remotely perceiving more objective things which can be treated to some sort of analysis? I would suggest using distinctive, simple, things as the target for your experiments (at least at the start) and if you achieve success, trying different, more complex, things. You might try shuffling a deck of cards and placing three of them on a high shelf face up, without looking. You could also involve a third party, and have them place one of, say five, small toys or coloured pieces of paper in an agreed location. You could also try heading out from Earth directly towards the sun, or away from it, to see how far you can go and what you can see. I'd be interested in your results (as would the group, I think) -- ======================================================================= = David - Visit www.thehungersite.com = Mitchell - Feed someone for nothing ======================================================================= ###### From: "Elana Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3C298DD4.7AE3B9C9@edenroad.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9m5APeEiwboJn0ZuxzeFuAyuWKaj++l4dbWEgKfKhxm+58zAVHyOk8pN38D6AZv9Sdjc9ThTDgG9!maTqpsGScFNrPJjsIlJWl47RDQawEIonAcWEKghjAZdzN8of5RK3S2yQw5rTXMgpCHGljNTKPjl+!iMMg6uo0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:12:47 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:12:47 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75496 "David Mitchell" wrote in message news:3C298DD4.7AE3B9C9@edenroad.demon.co.uk... > Elana Ruiz wrote: > > > > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > Hi Elena, ***Actually my name is Louis Ruiz. I am using my wifes internet mail account for these newsgroups.**** > > Have you been able to verify your OBE's using more precise experiments? To be more specific, have you tried remotely perceiving more objective > things which can be treated to some sort of analysis? > > I would suggest using distinctive, simple, things as the target for your > experiments (at least at the start) and if you achieve success, trying > different, more complex, things. ****Actually I have percieved and confirmed whole events and situations that have been confirmed as accurate. these verifications were a lot more complex than just on object . for example. I had just met a girl at a new job I started and we got to talking about a possible date. She also had given me her number to call her to set up a date and time. well on the saturday of that week I tried calling her various times but wasnt getting an answer. I decided to see what she was doing so I layed down and went thru my process of getting out of body. I stood up next to my body and focused on her. After a rapid sense of movement I was in another room and I saw her and three other guys in a apartment. Everyone was holding on to or carrying something. One of the guys was walking out of the kitchen with a six pack of beer and asking if who wanted one. they all sat on a couch and began drinking. I then focused on my physical and returned. CONFIRMATION: when I spoke to her at work the following monday she said she was sorry for missing my call . she was helping her brother along with two (male) friends to move out of their apartment. I asked her if they drank any beer and she said that they were drinking. Later on I met the three males and confirmed that they matched visually the ones i saw while obe. There are many more experiences that I have confirmed in just this manner.**** > > You might try shuffling a deck of cards and placing three of them on a > high shelf face up, without looking. > You could also involve a third party, and have them place one of, say > five, small toys or coloured pieces of paper in an agreed location. > > You could also try heading out from Earth directly towards the sun, or > away from it, to see how far you can go and what you can see. > **** I have also tried tyo go into outer space many times and VERY seldomly do I reach outer space before entering another dimension.Once or twice I have been able to just hover in the orbit to see the earth as a beautifull living globe. -Louis. > I'd be interested in your results (as would the group, I think) > > -- > ======================================================================= > = David - Visit www.thehungersite.com > = Mitchell - Feed someone for nothing > ======================================================================= ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:20:18 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-725.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!64.214.31.68.MISMATCH!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75521 In article <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>, elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. That's interesting. As I understand it, delta waves normally occur in deep sleep (stages 3 & 4), but they can be mixed with alpha waves (relaxed waking) under some conditions. Do you happen to remember if your EEG was showing alpha the rest of the time? -- The mightiest oak is just a nut that held its ground. My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/ced.html The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html The alt.dreams.lucid newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/home.html ###### From: "Elana Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +4EwKKm1X850ORRjGb5DfBjP2Pd4Ez6ATaLYIhRbJXPmXwLAZag/ojPUJ+dbA2Lfd4ooldxh80ve!udb1QdRfkeQKh2xx86+UQJ7pwcERlS1lJ2kOI6NGcy3umXpBTjkKbPU3Vzi193HBpKABrtGIqnf2!7/gSawFrruU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:55:02 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:55:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75492 My eeg readings were showing all brainwaves at the same time while in the body but the second I went out of body there was only delta brainwaves. while in the body the majority of brainwaves were in the theta alpha crossover point with some small percentage in beta and very little in delta. all other brainwave frequencies vanished (ecxept for strong delta) when I entered the obe. The doctors theorized that I was able to produce a coma or near death state. I seemed to have gone to the very door between physical life and death. Any less brain activity I would have been considered clinically dead. I hope this info helps a bit. "Janice" wrote in message news:MPG.1693deeafd71dc949896ad@cnews.newsguy.com... > In article <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>, > elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... > > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > That's interesting. As I understand it, delta waves normally occur in > deep sleep (stages 3 & 4), but they can be mixed with alpha waves > (relaxed waking) under some conditions. Do you happen to remember if > your EEG was showing alpha the rest of the time? > > -- > > The mightiest oak is just a nut that held its ground. > > My homepage: > http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/ced.html > > The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: > http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html > > The alt.dreams.lucid newsgroup homepage: > http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/home.html ###### From: "Jaza" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:44:47 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-248-245.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1009413788 11921 203.101.248.245 (27 Dec 2001 00:43:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2001 00:43:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75467 "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message news:GOqW7.1124$LY2.331264@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > My eeg readings were showing all brainwaves at the same time while in the > body but the second I went out of body there was only delta brainwaves. > while in the body the majority of brainwaves were in the theta alpha > crossover point with some small percentage in beta and very little in delta. > all other brainwave frequencies vanished (ecxept for strong delta) when I > entered the obe. The doctors theorized that I was able to produce a coma or > near death state. I seemed to have gone to the very door between physical > life and death. Any less brain activity I would have been considered > clinically dead. I hope this info helps a bit. It would be interesting if you could post a scan of your EEG up to your website. Would you be able to do that for people to see? Where was it produced? ###### From: "Elana Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /ba9QfKeTdov3qpbr1l6jmqaUW870mtbTt09NGk4ZLKnVipWAyn3meHIINh5z6NvpZWwc1VN9UzF!G3B+Ooxef8IRMcCFlGrBYumMZz1tTTZ/BPzsg4iCAI9uOVuwhLTjDKzyFcf3lCcyKBWnLu8prowk!5zTVIvG+Pw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:16:21 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:16:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75494 Once I get a scanner I will my eeg readings on my website. www.louisobe.homestead.com "Jaza" wrote in message news:a0dqqs$bkh$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au... > "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message > news:GOqW7.1124$LY2.331264@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > My eeg readings were showing all brainwaves at the same time while in the > > body but the second I went out of body there was only delta brainwaves. > > while in the body the majority of brainwaves were in the theta alpha > > crossover point with some small percentage in beta and very little in > delta. > > all other brainwave frequencies vanished (ecxept for strong delta) when I > > entered the obe. The doctors theorized that I was able to produce a coma > or > > near death state. I seemed to have gone to the very door between physical > > life and death. Any less brain activity I would have been considered > > clinically dead. I hope this info helps a bit. > > It would be interesting if you could post a scan of your EEG up to your > website. Would you be able to do that for people to see? Where was it > produced? > > > ###### From: "Elana Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <0HuW7.1575$LY2.546019@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /ba9QYSfu4ybL+0/I4H05+uh8F18Z5OAPSFYkq/Gaf59NtDdHao891h77pEzfmYH9jq1J+MIrhRJ!GXGxRNihgjGgG1ol+5vd5/B0/omA+67J9ZN3hjV1E4EUJafWQpCoptKfMuFan5oKrZ3ySbsUQRJb!Omo+ZcBfaA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:19:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:19:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75491 www.homestead.com/louisobe/louisobe.html "Jaza" wrote in message news:a0dqqs$bkh$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au... > "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message > news:GOqW7.1124$LY2.331264@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > My eeg readings were showing all brainwaves at the same time while in the > > body but the second I went out of body there was only delta brainwaves. > > while in the body the majority of brainwaves were in the theta alpha > > crossover point with some small percentage in beta and very little in > delta. > > all other brainwave frequencies vanished (ecxept for strong delta) when I > > entered the obe. The doctors theorized that I was able to produce a coma > or > > near death state. I seemed to have gone to the very door between physical > > life and death. Any less brain activity I would have been considered > > clinically dead. I hope this info helps a bit. > > It would be interesting if you could post a scan of your EEG up to your > website. Would you be able to do that for people to see? Where was it > produced? > > > ###### From: "Jaza" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:47:21 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-248-245.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1009421142 18376 203.101.248.245 (27 Dec 2001 02:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2001 02:45:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75464 "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message news:9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. Are you able to go ANYWHERE at will whilst in this state? If you had been to a place in real life, say, some landmark, or something, and somebody was to go, and, in a box, put a basic symbol in there, and stand there to make sure nobody could physically peak into that box, would you be able to describe the symbol? ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:27:21 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-043.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75513 In article , elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... > My eeg readings were showing all brainwaves at the same time while in the > body but the second I went out of body there was only delta brainwaves. > while in the body the majority of brainwaves were in the theta alpha > crossover point with some small percentage in beta and very little in delta. > all other brainwave frequencies vanished (ecxept for strong delta) when I > entered the obe. The doctors theorized that I was able to produce a coma or > near death state. I seemed to have gone to the very door between physical > life and death. Any less brain activity I would have been considered > clinically dead. I hope this info helps a bit. Weird. I probably wouldn't play with OBEs anymore if I was told that. :) -- The mightiest oak is just a nut that held its ground. My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/ced.html The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html The alt.dreams.lucid newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/home.html ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /b4C/BkCOnCKmLH3wGntwdaxOtG3i/LiRkm0oUdKO51J5+PYCpQrBD38RA2gWVC6+70rFipian/4!h1NrIbg4+UTlfPTIKHU/OBYYAJ7/9Q2GwmjIkK5imRztbSRUOGaRLlNNHGdlzSCRdys3fzIKX0Km!huKnV1BS X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:50:48 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:50:52 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75487 Yes, i would also be able to describe what clothes they would be wearing and any other landmarks around them. "Jaza" wrote in message news:a0e20m$hu8$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au... > "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message > news:9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a > neuroback > > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get > out > > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got > it. > > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece > with > > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > Are you able to go ANYWHERE at will whilst in this state? If you had been > to a place in real life, say, some landmark, or something, and somebody was > to go, and, in a box, put a basic symbol in there, and stand there to make > sure nobody could physically peak into that box, would you be able to > describe the symbol? > > > ###### From: non@seq.ca (leo) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Message-ID: <3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net> References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Lynx Communications Inc. Cache-Post-Path: news1.lynx.bc.ca!unknown@vanip-128-064.eseenet.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 37 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:40:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.18.70.63 X-Trace: localhost 1009482178 216.18.70.63 (Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:42:58 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:42:58 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mt.sfl.net!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75458 On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:20:18 -0500, Janice wrote: >In article <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>, >elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... >> Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me >> physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited >> relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback >> place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out >> of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I >> reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. [sorry, don't have the original post] Did you estimate the duration of your obe's *before* looking at the data? Did you fall asleep at any time during the data collection? >> They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with >> my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my >> brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory >> experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) >> the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > >That's interesting. As I understand it, delta waves normally occur in >deep sleep (stages 3 & 4), but they can be mixed with alpha waves >(relaxed waking) under some conditions. Do you happen to remember if >your EEG was showing alpha the rest of the time? [Delta 0.5-4Hz, Theta 4-8Hz, Alpha 8-14Hz, Beta 14-30Hz] I apparently wake up after most of my obe's, so I assume that I'm not in deep sleep during them. I had a brief obe once while listening to a 9Hz sine wave tone, but if I listen to anything in the Delta range, I just tend to fall asleep. -Leo ###### From: "William Bliss" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:57:49 -0500 Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: nopics.sjc Message-ID: <3c2aaa68$1_1@nopics.sjc> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!telocity-west!TELOCITY!nopics.sjc!directvdsl.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75597 Hi Louis, Thanks for posting your personal accounts. Veridical reports such as yours seem to be rather rare in this newsgroup, but are much appreciated. As for proof, I believe there are many levels of proof, a short list of possible levels is listed below, each one a little less demanding than the one just above it. 1) Pure mathematical proof, 2) Proven in the eyes of a world-wide consensus of scientific peers, 3) Minority opinion of well rounded scientists consider it proven, 4) A lunatic fringe of scientists consider it proven, 5) Various pseudo-scientific groups (a.oob) consider it proven, 6) Close personal friends and colleagues believe it, 7) Believed by just ourselves. No scientific theory has gotten above level 2) on this scale and no occult theory has gotten above level 4) (IMHO). Despite the fact that we'd all appreciate a little more certainty in our lives I suspect the status quo will not change any time soon. And I suspect this is for the best. Wm "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message news:9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > ###### From: "Jaza" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:02:16 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-248-101.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1009497637 31936 203.101.248.101 (28 Dec 2001 00:00:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2001 00:00:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75544 "Louis Ruiz" wrote in message news:YbJW7.270$9K4.287872@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > Yes, i would also be able to describe what clothes they would be wearing and > any other landmarks around them. That's incredibly interesting... what else would you need to 'home' in on someone, or a place? Would you be able to do it just by name, or bother other association? ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wLwTa1n9Ljw4Bpq/9XuLQpPqDQRgxOralIUUFRCDb22siQRPw/Xv+PkBbRCnA6ZxR1IfsR4Zr/Q!MISD8KTceFPxB/smRMnIg2u/sHeVnKFILn843ZBAq4BYPLCF148P1B7snmpgvmBKDSH9K8ujEXg3!8m2lINR3QOM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:57:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:57:58 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75576 I prefer to know how to get to the appointed destination because my homing skills have never been so good. "Jaza" wrote in message news:a0gcn5$v60$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au... > "Louis Ruiz" wrote in message > news:YbJW7.270$9K4.287872@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... > > Yes, i would also be able to describe what clothes they would be wearing > and > > any other landmarks around them. > > That's incredibly interesting... what else would you need to 'home' in on > someone, or a place? Would you be able to do it just by name, or bother > other association? > > > ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +4AzTZApo3RUDA5vspMrA9G/cskz2V6bSRyKu6HY6tJf1OwzDXjkKU+4ppyQcKf+riZA6gZOzsrN!VyszE57YnS47+A0HhjI9DxsT2L8y8aAak5S4KpUhEhZMb72FL+1cMPJLJeTuxojnn/UHxED+KzsQ!sqdPi7Jrgu4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:04:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:04:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75578 when I opened my eyes to end the experiment immediately after the second OBE. I told them I had two OBEs about 10 to fifteen seconds each within the last minute. They checked the eeg readings and sure enough it was there . "leo" wrote in message news:3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net... > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:20:18 -0500, Janice > wrote: > > >In article <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>, > >elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... > >> Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > >> physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > >> relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > >> place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > >> of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > >> reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > > [sorry, don't have the original post] > Did you estimate the duration of your obe's *before* looking at the > data? > Did you fall asleep at any time during the data collection? > > > >> They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > >> my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > >> brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > >> experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > >> the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > > >That's interesting. As I understand it, delta waves normally occur in > >deep sleep (stages 3 & 4), but they can be mixed with alpha waves > >(relaxed waking) under some conditions. Do you happen to remember if > >your EEG was showing alpha the rest of the time? > > [Delta 0.5-4Hz, Theta 4-8Hz, Alpha 8-14Hz, Beta 14-30Hz] > I apparently wake up after most of my obe's, so I assume that I'm not > in deep sleep during them. > I had a brief obe once while listening to a 9Hz sine wave tone, but > if I listen to anything in the Delta range, I just tend to fall > asleep. > -Leo > ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: +4Lrtpt/J+rtMtOaVh1fBRULrH0OP1GZV0FhZU+00zyqgRQwT1zaOPnzdwwQgPCD9rYnm2UkDlDC!h0oF462XWjc8S+zjEVjl40WN86KC5jZtFfYOER91ATrZ3NBx8+aN4c1gb6N3HtDrHgaMuEormjqm!IfpUmw5Vj6M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:06:27 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:06:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75567 no lapse in consciousness during the experiment. "leo" wrote in message news:3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net... > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:20:18 -0500, Janice > wrote: > > >In article <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>, > >elana.ruiz@verizon.net says... > >> Many times I have verified physical events that were close and far from me > >> physically while OB. I have checked up on my girlfriends and have visited > >> relatives and confirmed the trips after the fact. I also went to a neuroback > >> place so that they can record my brainwaves while I would attempt to get out > >> of body. I was able to get out twice for fifteen second intervals then I > >> reintegrated with my physical, got up and asked the doctors if they got it. > > [sorry, don't have the original post] > Did you estimate the duration of your obe's *before* looking at the > data? > Did you fall asleep at any time during the data collection? > > > >> They printed out the graphs and they verified that in exact coincidece with > >> my obe I was producing delta brainwaves only. Both times that I exited my > >> brainwaves dropped into delta for fifteen seconds . If these labratory > >> experiments prove anything , they prove that what is (at least in my case) > >> the OBE is experienced in the Delta brainwave state. > > > >That's interesting. As I understand it, delta waves normally occur in > >deep sleep (stages 3 & 4), but they can be mixed with alpha waves > >(relaxed waking) under some conditions. Do you happen to remember if > >your EEG was showing alpha the rest of the time? > > [Delta 0.5-4Hz, Theta 4-8Hz, Alpha 8-14Hz, Beta 14-30Hz] > I apparently wake up after most of my obe's, so I assume that I'm not > in deep sleep during them. > I had a brief obe once while listening to a 9Hz sine wave tone, but > if I listen to anything in the Delta range, I just tend to fall > asleep. > -Leo > ###### From: "Tom" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3C298DD4.7AE3B9C9@edenroad.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:12:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.224.239.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: hebe.telenet-ops.be 1009505528 213.224.239.60 (Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:12:08 CET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:12:08 CET Organization: Telenet Internet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.74.65.73.MISMATCH!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!hebe.telenet-ops.be.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75557 "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message news:jynW7.603$LY2.173164@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > I had just met a girl at a new job I started and we got to talking about a possible > date. She also had given me her number to call her to set up a date and time. Hope your wife doesn't read that :-) Tom ###### From: "Jaza" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:42:55 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-248-101.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1009507320 1951 203.101.248.101 (28 Dec 2001 02:42:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2001 02:42:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75545 "Louis Ruiz" wrote in message news:osPW7.1335$dW6.670875@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > I prefer to know how to get to the appointed destination because my homing > skills have never been so good. What well known landmarks do you know about that are accessible to you from the OBE state? ###### From: "Louis Ruiz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3C298DD4.7AE3B9C9@edenroad.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wObnZh1PbNjWULWnqGMbfnuW+C3x6VEy74c15C5zTYi61uflmMPH0ofrfocDsaZ3F1hLTU1poVx!IGpXg30pPw91zjug4YzPGM53El8K/n43OTjTvVBlQnmWEffhSTYKJ9ZgW9i4zKD1yPoffuR8Atvt!XF5mcSZsVgQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:15:21 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:15:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75571 this was way before I met my wife "Tom" wrote in message news:YxQW7.792$qJ7.189517001@hebe.telenet-ops.be... > > "Elana Ruiz" wrote in message > news:jynW7.603$LY2.173164@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > > > I had just met a girl at a new job I started and we got to talking about a > possible > date. She also had given me her number to call her to set up a > date and time. > > Hope your wife doesn't read that :-) > > Tom > > ###### From: non@seq.ca (leo) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: can the OBE be proven Message-ID: <3c2bea04.3050030@news.lynx.net> References: <9ubW7.480$H54.824786@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net> <3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Lynx Communications Inc. Cache-Post-Path: news1.lynx.bc.ca!unknown@vanip-128-146.eseenet.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:42:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.18.70.63 X-Trace: localhost 1009511075 216.18.70.63 (Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:44:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:44:35 MST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mt.sfl.net!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:75541 On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:04:20 GMT, "Louis Ruiz" wrote: >when I opened my eyes to end the experiment immediately after the second >OBE. I told them I had two OBEs about 10 to fifteen seconds each within the >last minute. They checked the eeg readings and sure enough it was there . >"leo" wrote in message news:3c2b7927.3346353@news.lynx.net... [...] >> Did you estimate the duration of your obe's *before* looking at the >> data? >> Did you fall asleep at any time during the data collection? [...] Thanks Louis--interesting stuff. If you're interested in doing some controlled experiments of the 'spot-the-distant-object' type, but don't want to subject yourself to a Randi Challenge media circus, you might want to consider getting in touch with a university that has a parapsychology unit. I know the U. of Edinburgh has one (search for "Koestler")--maybe they have some contacts closer to your area. Enquiring minds need to know! Leo