From: f2000 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Astral and virual worlds Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:21:24 +0100 Organization: NoWay Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:74880 I love those computer games all in 3d, where you are able to evolve in a realistic 3d world,free do do all the possible actions and explore all the directions of the universe. I especially appreciate games such as Tomb Raiders or Myst III that transport us to beautiful towns or imaginary places. After a while playing, I feel that there is a true consistency of those world and I was asking me a maybe stupid question that I'd like to share with you : are these universe real, I mean is it possible to reach them in a lucid dream or an stral travel? I think that in astral travel it is possible to go everywhere even in a book or to the farthest galaxy, so why not a game's world. So many players play the same Tomb Raiders that it must build the universe in a mental place, right? If it is possible, maybe we could developp a method to reach those wordeful places(imagination, meditation, or even taking of during the game itself?). Thank's for sharing your thoughts about that. Patrick. ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Astral and virual worlds Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:15:35 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-521.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:74884 In article , ane69 @hotmail.com says... > I love those computer games all in 3d, where you are able to > evolve in a realistic 3d world,free do do all the possible actions and > explore all the directions of the universe. > I especially appreciate games such as Tomb Raiders or Myst III > that transport us to beautiful towns or imaginary places. > > After a while playing, I feel that there is a true consistency of those > world and I was asking me a maybe stupid question that I'd like to share > with you : are these universe real, I mean is it possible to reach them > in a lucid dream or an stral travel? > > I think that in astral travel it is possible to go everywhere even in a > book or to the farthest galaxy, so why not a game's world. So many > players play the same Tomb Raiders that it must build the universe in a > mental place, right? > > If it is possible, maybe we could developp a method to reach those > wordeful places(imagination, meditation, or even taking of during the > game itself?). > > Thank's for sharing your thoughts about that. > > Patrick. Ha, you know, that's an interesting point. There are definitely those who believe that the mind shapes reality and that individual astral realms become stabilized by many people visiting them. So if they are right these vivid game worlds visited in the imaginations of millions could theoretically be sustained on the astral. I don't share this view personally, but it would make an interesting experiment for OBErs to try to access a game world they are not familiar with and see if they get any of it right. -- Well, I know my banana is older than the rest.--Paul McCartney My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/ced.html The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html The alt.dreams.lucid newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/home.html ###### From: "devolution" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Astral and virual worlds Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:09:35 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 55 Message-ID: <9uq7t5$psg$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-163-162.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!peernews.cix.co.uk!lon1-news.nildram.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:74883 That's quite funny what you say - not ha ha, but last night, I was playing a game on my PS2, and I thought something very similar! I was thinking about how just by having thoughts, reality can be created (maybe not in the physical world). I was thinking perhaps the developers have put all this effort into creating this virtual world, and maybe they unconsciously created it somewhere on a distant plane or dimension. Well, it's certainly possible to create your own reality while Astral Travelling, but of course, many of us don't really have much mastery over Astral Projection, let alone keeping such virtual worlds 'alive'. I've read that if you 'create' such worlds often, however, then they tend to become more real each time, and may eventually keep going of their own accord. There are lots of people who play games - millions, probably about 200 million of the Earth's population regularly play computer games, so there could be a group 'psyche' that has etched out these virtual worlds that are enacted in the games. You say about developing a 'method' to reach these worlds - obviously Astral Projection is the only way at present. It probably would be for a very very long time. The only thing I can think of other than AP is some kind of Holodeck like on Star Trek, but holography has perhaps 150 years to go before we can get some kind of 3D Holodeck that resembles that on Star Trek. "f2000" wrote in message news:MPG.1679ffc02a91a1f6989690@news.meditnet.com... > I love those computer games all in 3d, where you are able to > evolve in a realistic 3d world,free do do all the possible actions and > explore all the directions of the universe. > I especially appreciate games such as Tomb Raiders or Myst III > that transport us to beautiful towns or imaginary places. > > After a while playing, I feel that there is a true consistency of those > world and I was asking me a maybe stupid question that I'd like to share > with you : are these universe real, I mean is it possible to reach them > in a lucid dream or an stral travel? > > I think that in astral travel it is possible to go everywhere even in a > book or to the farthest galaxy, so why not a game's world. So many > players play the same Tomb Raiders that it must build the universe in a > mental place, right? > > If it is possible, maybe we could developp a method to reach those > wordeful places(imagination, meditation, or even taking of during the > game itself?). > > Thank's for sharing your thoughts about that. > > Patrick. ###### From: "devolution" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Astral and virual worlds Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:16:06 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 67 Message-ID: <9urlvt$hcj$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-67-54.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:74891 [Repost - my usenet server is having an off day] "devolution" wrote in message news:... > That's quite funny what you say - not ha ha, but last night, I was playing a > game on my PS2, and I thought something very similar! I was thinking about > how just by having thoughts, reality can be created (maybe not in the > physical world). > > I was thinking perhaps the developers have put all this effort into creating > this virtual world, and maybe they unconsciously created it somewhere on a > distant plane or dimension. > > Well, it's certainly possible to create your own reality while Astral > Travelling, but of course, many of us don't really have much mastery over > Astral Projection, let alone keeping such virtual worlds 'alive'. > I've read that if you 'create' such worlds often, however, then they tend to > become more real each time, and may eventually keep going of their own > accord. > > There are lots of people who play games - millions, probably about 200 > million of the Earth's population regularly play computer games, so there > could be a group 'psyche' that has etched out these virtual worlds that are > enacted in the games. > > You say about developing a 'method' to reach these worlds - obviously Astral > Projection is the only way at present. It probably would be for a very very > long time. > The only thing I can think of other than AP is some kind of Holodeck like on > Star Trek, but holography has perhaps 150 years to go before we can get some > kind of 3D Holodeck that resembles that on Star Trek. > > "f2000" wrote in message > news:MPG.1679ffc02a91a1f6989690@news.meditnet.com... > > I love those computer games all in 3d, where you are able to > > evolve in a realistic 3d world,free do do all the possible actions and > > explore all the directions of the universe. > > I especially appreciate games such as Tomb Raiders or Myst III > > that transport us to beautiful towns or imaginary places. > > > > After a while playing, I feel that there is a true consistency of those > > world and I was asking me a maybe stupid question that I'd like to share > > with you : are these universe real, I mean is it possible to reach them > > in a lucid dream or an stral travel? > > > > I think that in astral travel it is possible to go everywhere even in a > > book or to the farthest galaxy, so why not a game's world. So many > > players play the same Tomb Raiders that it must build the universe in a > > mental place, right? > > > > If it is possible, maybe we could developp a method to reach those > > wordeful places(imagination, meditation, or even taking of during the > > game itself?). > > > > Thank's for sharing your thoughts about that. > > > > Patrick. > >