Message-ID: <3B3CA6D6.DA9F738A@home.com> From: Suzanne Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:04:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.73.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 993830698 24.67.73.47 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:04:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:04:58 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68801 Simon Kristoffersson wrote: > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon I am shocked and saddened by this. I did not get to know him very well, but nonetheless he will be missed as I enjoyed his posts and his good energy. Suzanne ###### Message-ID: <3B3D33FD.70A97A91@home.com> From: Suzanne Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:07:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.73.47 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 993866841 24.67.73.47 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:07:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:07:21 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68792 The Original Ken wrote: > Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message > news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. > He > > had heart. > > > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > > He can tell you more. > > He said it was over quickly. > > It was very cold. > > > > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > > He was close to me. > > Now my life wont be the same. > > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > > He was my only real deep friend. > > > > I will miss him deeply. > > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over > him > > being gone. > > > > > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > > At least that is some consollation. > > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > > I will always remember him. > > > > Simon > > > > > > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long > time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have > known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of > the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I > could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I > am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I > could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew > him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, > very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and > love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. I'm certain that you will "see him out there". > > > Here's to my friend Gunnar. > > This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not > even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. Please don't do that Ken. I really look forward to your posts too. > It doesn't seem worth it. It > doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! > > > My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if > you like. > > Ken ###### From: fakeID@whatever.ca (skippydee) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Message-ID: <3b3d4f4e.1650997@news.lynx.net> References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Lynx Communications Inc. Cache-Post-Path: news1.lynx.bc.ca!unknown@van02-70-098.eseenet.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 41 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:07:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.82.88.221 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:07:49 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news1.cal.metronet.ca!news1.van.metronet.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68541 On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:47:03 +0200, "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote: >He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He >had heart. > >I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. >He can tell you more. >He said it was over quickly. >It was very cold. > > >I have been his friend for almost 8 years. >He was close to me. >Now my life wont be the same. >Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. >He was my only real deep friend. > >I will miss him deeply. >I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him >being gone. > > > >If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. >At least that is some consollation. >He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. >I will always remember him. > >Simon > I'm so sorry to hear this, Simon. My thoughts are with you and Gunnar's other close friends and loved ones. Gunnar, if you're watching, thanks for the interesting posts and the beautiful photos on your web site. Visit anytime, friend. Safe and warm journeys. Leo Glacier Glen: http://glacierglen.dhs.org/GlacierGlenE.html ###### From: Ian H Spedding Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:45:16 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 48 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68635 In article <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net>, elfquest@algonet.se says... > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon This is shocking and tragic news. To lose a close friend so suddenly and unexpectedly is a devastating blow. You and his family have my deepest sympathy. That he died doing something he enjoyed so much is perhaps some small consolation. Like others here, I enjoyed and valued his contributions to our discussions and I believe those memories are possibly the most fitting memorial to him. Ian -- Ian H Spedding --------------------------------------------------- I don't pretend to understand the universe - it's a great deal bigger than I am. THOMAS CARLYLE ###### From: "Simon Kristoffersson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 12:17:21 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 147 Message-ID: <9hk8ve$ith$1@cubacola.tninet.se> References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: du218-6.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 993896238 19377 195.100.6.218 (30 Jun 2001 10:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2001 10:17:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68581 "The Original Ken" skrev i meddelandet news:fs8%6.225$6F1.6929@wormhole.dimensional.com... > > Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message > news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. > He > > had heart. > > > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > > He can tell you more. > > He said it was over quickly. > > It was very cold. > > > > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > > He was close to me. > > Now my life wont be the same. > > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > > He was my only real deep friend. > > > > I will miss him deeply. > > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over > him > > being gone. > > > > > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > > At least that is some consollation. > > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > > I will always remember him. > > > > Simon > > > > > > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long > time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have > known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of > the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I > could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I > am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I > could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew > him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, > very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and > love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. > > Here's to my friend Gunnar. > > This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not > even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It > doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! > > My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if > you like. > > Ken Gunnar was the one who started my interest in this newsgroup. I have only written a little here over the years, and only had a few out of body experienses. mostly from awakening in a dream. He had a interesting job and good friends. Everything he did he did well. Look at his 2 websites http://www.glacierglen.dhs.org and http://www.algonet.se/~dervak They are masterpieces. Our mutual interest in Elfquest http://www.elfquest.com brought us together. It was in a computer convention in Denmark. He saw my picture of Leetah on my computer screen. He also made me interested in a funny comic named Groo made by Sergio Aragonés. He was a hobby astronomer. He liked the stars. I do too but not as much as he did. We had a mutual interest in out of body experienses. This was our connection. He liked to hike in nature alot. He also liked Glaciers. There are worse ways to die. His death was quick and painless I imagine. I had a dream that feels similar to his accident. Perhaps it was something like this. I'd like to share it. I took a calqulated risk and went in the elevator that only had room for me. I was hoping then I got down that I could turn around and get out and that it would stop when it should and not go any further down. I knew It was risky. I was afraid it was going to fast down so I tried to stop it with my feet on the wall. It helped a bit. I passed the bottom floor and abit beyond, it was to much down. Now I couldn't turn around and push the button on my back in the wall to go up again. I was firmly stuck on both sides up to my neck. I could see sky a bit upwards beneath the overhang. I was deep down. I couldn't move at all. Even if I could move my hands it didn't matter because the buttons where on the wall to my back. I instantly felt sorrow of knowing there was no help that could get me out of here, and that I would die. I was so angry this could happen and shocked. Here my dream ended. David said: Then Gunnar understood he could not come up he bacame calm as if he accepted it. It took 5 houers for David to bring help by then it was to late. This was in Norway. David will post something soon about the accident. He said so to me. Id like some more friends, but why I have not written more on the newsgroup is because I have only had a few experienses and an allergy to poison in the flame safety in monitors and tv's. It is painful for me to write this it will take days before I will feel better. Im hoping of gettin a new monitor free of the poison that hurts me. Most people can cope with it and be fine. Not I. Id like to write more. Now you know why I don't write so much at all. I was so hoping he would visit me. I wonder what is keeping him. Perhaps he needs a few days off in the other realm. Knowing he still exists does not make my pain any lesser. I feel like its a catastrofy for me. I will cope with his absence. Now i have a motive to train my rusty out of body skills. He probably has it better now. Small consollation to me. I miss him so much. You never know what you have until its gone. A few weeks ago I thought how lucky I was to have him as my friend. My life will never be the same. I need some new friends like Gunnar. He was one one of a kind. Simon ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> <9hk8ve$ith$1@cubacola.tninet.se> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 177 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:10:21 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net & WebUseNet Corp - "ReInventing the UseNet" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:12:53 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!easynews!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68776 Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message news:9hk8ve$ith$1@cubacola.tninet.se... : : "The Original Ken" skrev i meddelandet : news:fs8%6.225$6F1.6929@wormhole.dimensional.com... : > : > Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message : > news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... : > > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. : > He : > > had heart. : > > : > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. : > > He can tell you more. : > > He said it was over quickly. : > > It was very cold. : > > : > > : > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. : > > He was close to me. : > > Now my life wont be the same. : > > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. : > > He was my only real deep friend. : > > : > > I will miss him deeply. : > > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over : > him : > > being gone. : > > : > > : > > : > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. : > > At least that is some consollation. : > > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. : > > I will always remember him. : > > : > > Simon : > > : > > : > : > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a : long : > time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have : > known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of : > the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I : > could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. : I : > am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I : > could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew : > him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind : person, : > very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and : > love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. : > : > Here's to my friend Gunnar. : > : > This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm : not : > even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It : > doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! : > : > My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly : if : > you like. : > : > Ken : : Gunnar was the one who started my interest in this newsgroup. : I have only written a little here over the years, and only had a few out of : body : experienses. mostly from awakening in a dream. : : He had a interesting job and good friends. Everything he did he did well. : Look at his 2 websites http://www.glacierglen.dhs.org and : http://www.algonet.se/~dervak : They are masterpieces. Our mutual interest in Elfquest : http://www.elfquest.com brought : us together. : It was in a computer convention in Denmark. He saw my picture of Leetah on : my computer : screen. He also made me interested in a funny comic named Groo made by : Sergio : Aragonés. He was a hobby astronomer. He liked the stars. I do too but not as : much as : he did. We had a mutual interest in out of body experienses. This was our : connection. : He liked to hike in nature alot. He also liked Glaciers. There are worse : ways to die. : His death was quick and painless I imagine. : : I had a dream that feels similar to his accident. Perhaps it was something : like this. : I'd like to share it. : : I took a calqulated risk and went in the elevator that only : had room for me. I was hoping then I got down that I could turn around and : get out and that : it would stop when it should and not go any further down. I knew It was : risky. : I was afraid it was going to fast down so I tried to stop it with my feet on : the wall. It helped : a bit. I passed the bottom floor and abit beyond, it was to much down. Now I : couldn't turn around : and push the button on my back in the wall to go up again. I was firmly : stuck on : both sides up to my neck. I could see sky a bit upwards beneath the : overhang. I was deep : down. I couldn't move at all. Even if I could move my hands it didn't matter : because the : buttons where on the wall to my back. I instantly felt sorrow of knowing : there was no help : that could get me out of here, and that I would die. I was so angry this : could happen and : shocked. : : Here my dream ended. : : David said: Then Gunnar understood he could not come up he bacame calm as if : he accepted : it. It took 5 houers for David to bring help by then it was to late. This : was in Norway. : : David will post something soon about the accident. He said so to me. : : Id like some more friends, but why I have not written more on the newsgroup : is because I have only : had a few experienses and an allergy to poison in the flame safety in : monitors and tv's. It is painful : for me to write this it will take days before I will feel better. : Im hoping of gettin a new monitor free of the poison that hurts me. Most : people can cope with it and be fine. : Not I. : : Id like to write more. Now you know why I don't write so much at all. : : I was so hoping he would visit me. I wonder what is keeping him. : Perhaps he needs a few days off in the other realm. : Knowing he still exists does not make my pain any lesser. : I feel like its a catastrofy for me. I will cope with his absence. : Now i have a motive to train my rusty out of body skills. : He probably has it better now. Small consollation to me. : I miss him so much. You never know what you have until its gone. : A few weeks ago I thought how lucky I was to have him as my friend. : My life will never be the same. I need some new friends like Gunnar. : He was one one of a kind. : : Simon : : Hello Simon, I'm sure everyone would enjoy your posting here and being a friend to you. Thank you for the links and sharing your times with Gunnar. My thoughts and sympathies to you, David, and Gunnar's family & friends. Lorene ###### From: 555@sherilyn.org.uk (Sherilyn) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:29:52 GMT Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Reply-To: 398@sherilyn.org.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sherilyn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sherilyn.demon.co.uk:194.222.158.29 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 993936592 nnrp-12:6031 NO-IDENT sherilyn.demon.co.uk:194.222.158.29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sherilyn.demon.co.uk!555 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68762 In Message-ID , pz wrote: >In article <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net>, > "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote: > >> He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He >> had heart. >> [...] > >I am very sorry to hear this. You have my sympathy. I hold out a forlorn hope that this is a mere prank. If you're still with us, Gunnar, it was a good one, but don't stay away too long. Simon, my apologies for possibly adding to your grief, but please tell me that it's just a joke. -- Sherilyn ###### From: "Simon Kristoffersson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:09:07 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9hnou9$s26$1@cubacola.tninet.se> References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: du157-5.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 994010889 28742 195.100.5.157 (1 Jul 2001 18:08:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jul 2001 18:08:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68571 "Sherilyn" <555@sherilyn.org.uk> skrev i meddelandet news:slrn9jsh25.pt.555@pegasus.sherilyn.org.uk... > In Message-ID , > pz wrote: > >In article <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net>, > > "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote: > > > >> He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > >> had heart. > >> > [...] > > > >I am very sorry to hear this. You have my sympathy. > > I hold out a forlorn hope that this is a mere prank. If you're > still with us, Gunnar, it was a good one, but don't stay away > too long. Simon, my apologies for possibly adding to your grief, > but please tell me that it's just a joke. > -- > Sherilyn I wish it was. I wish I imagined the phonecall and his brothers voice. But it was authentic. David would never do such a thing. I have been wishing several times that I could go back in time. But that is not possible. I'm feeling empty. I have begun to accept that he is gone. Him being in another realm is small consolation. If he ever would want to come back he could share my body part time. Something tells me he would not want to. He has not yet visited me. Long ago we promised each other that who ever died first would visit the other in a way the other one would remember. That has not happened yet. Perhaps he has forgotten. I will remind him then I can. That is not easy for me. Going out of body requires energy that I do not have. Hope to be seeing you all and Gunnar out there soon. Simon ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> <3B3D33FD.70A97A91@home.com> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <7v907.345$6F1.8778@wormhole.dimensional.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:49:09 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.15 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 994124867 216.241.33.15 (Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:47:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:47:47 MDT Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68658 Suzanne wrote in message news:3B3D33FD.70A97A91@home.com... > > Please don't do that Ken. I really look forward to your posts too. Thanks Suzanne. I'll be around. Ken ###### From: dianemb88@yahoo.com (Diane) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:28:44 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3b455b96.401625857@news.i-plus.net> Reply-To: dianemb88@yahoo.com References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 49 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68560 I can't believe this is true. I feel so numb from the thought of it. Craig emailed me to tell me of the terrible news and I came to the newsgroup hoping to find it was all a sick joke. Gunnar was the best. Often I would come here to lurk a little and I would always look for posts from him. And on my many return visits to this group, he was always there to welcome me back. He was truly a fine person and I have a deep respect for him. The only thing that helps at all is knowing that he died doing what he loved so much. Eventhough I haven't been active in the group for some time, I will miss him terribly just knowing he is no longer with us. I hope to meet him "out there", as I know so many of you hope the same. I still can't believe this... Diane "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote on Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:47:03 +0200: >He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He >had heart. > >I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. >He can tell you more. >He said it was over quickly. >It was very cold. > > >I have been his friend for almost 8 years. >He was close to me. >Now my life wont be the same. >Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. >He was my only real deep friend. > >I will miss him deeply. >I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him >being gone. > > > >If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. >At least that is some consollation. >He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. >I will always remember him. > >Simon > ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6G%_6.57655$HJ1.289450@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:47:46 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net & WebUseNet Corp - "ReInventing the UseNet" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:54:03 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68737 "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote in message news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon > I am very sad to hear this. My sympathies to you and all his family and friends. ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 58 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:48:57 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.27 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 993858443 216.241.33.27 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:47:23 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:47:23 MDT Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68666 Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon > > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. Here's to my friend Gunnar. This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if you like. Ken ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:47:46 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net & WebUseNet Corp - "ReInventing the UseNet" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:50:19 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68746 The Original Ken wrote in message news:fs8%6.225$6F1.6929@wormhole.dimensional.com... : : Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message : news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... : > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. : He : > had heart. : > : > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. : > He can tell you more. : > He said it was over quickly. : > It was very cold. : > : > : > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. : > He was close to me. : > Now my life wont be the same. : > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. : > He was my only real deep friend. : > : > I will miss him deeply. : > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over : him : > being gone. : > : > : > : > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. : > At least that is some consollation. : > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. : > I will always remember him. : > : > Simon : > : > : : Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long : time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have : known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of : the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I : could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I : am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I : could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew : him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, : very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and : love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. : : Here's to my friend Gunnar. : : This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not : even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It : doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! : : My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if : you like. : I, too, feel very sad and stunned to hear this Ken. I keep logging back on and checking in the NG in hope that maybe this was some sick joke. I think Gunnar will be in all our thoughts and prayers tonight. I wish everyone in the group well in dealing with this very sad news. ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 20:11:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-HdccrS3DsIpA8F+0/zd+4NAV47OkBKmupVCCaqKt4Jch/v2bqJ/ttQjBH2rak3y4l7kWyGaIXALEKGz!xpbDdIhBpjJ2IMJkvW5ccr+vMzWUhuc7yAa6yXdMuGQJe3whGzU3tAF3nSpunP0Wah4a1G8N97vH!JrrqTGujPg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:13:53 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!f.de.uu.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.61.6!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68707 In article , sculpt@privatei.com says... > > Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message > news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. > He > > had heart. > > > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > > He can tell you more. > > He said it was over quickly. > > It was very cold. > > > > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > > He was close to me. > > Now my life wont be the same. > > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > > He was my only real deep friend. > > > > I will miss him deeply. > > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over > him > > being gone. > > > > > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > > At least that is some consollation. > > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > > I will always remember him. > > > > Simon > > > > > > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long > time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have > known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of > the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I > could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I > am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I > could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew > him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, > very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and > love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. > > Here's to my friend Gunnar. > > This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not > even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It > doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! > > My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if > you like. > > Ken I'm saddened too. I knew he was going on this expedition and was a bit worried, since it is a risky hobby.... But Gunnar knew the risks, and died doing something he loved, and how many of us will be able to say that? I think I knew him well enough to say that he wouldn't want us to lose heart and stop posting here forever. ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 99 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:37:48 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.123 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 993865012 216.241.33.123 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:36:52 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:36:52 MDT Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news.stealth.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68644 Lorz wrote in message news:Cs8%6.59697$HJ1.369517@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... > The Original Ken wrote in message > news:fs8%6.225$6F1.6929@wormhole.dimensional.com... > : > : Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message > : news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > : > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. > : He > : > had heart. > : > > : > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > : > He can tell you more. > : > He said it was over quickly. > : > It was very cold. > : > > : > > : > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > : > He was close to me. > : > Now my life wont be the same. > : > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > : > He was my only real deep friend. > : > > : > I will miss him deeply. > : > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over > : him > : > being gone. > : > > : > > : > > : > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > : > At least that is some consollation. > : > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > : > I will always remember him. > : > > : > Simon > : > > : > > : > : Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a > long > : time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have > : known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of > : the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I > : could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. > I > : am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I > : could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew > : him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind > person, > : very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and > : love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. > : > : Here's to my friend Gunnar. > : > : This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm > not > : even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It > : doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! > : > : My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly > if > : you like. > : > > I, too, feel very sad and stunned to hear this Ken. I keep logging back on > and checking in the NG in hope that maybe this was some sick joke. > I think Gunnar will be in all our thoughts and prayers tonight. > I wish everyone in the group well in dealing with this very sad news. Thanks Lorz. This is so hard to deal with and I know I'm not the only one. Gunnar was so much a part of the pulse of this group. He has shared so much and given so much of his time and his soul to this group and so much of his insight. It all just seems so incredibly wrong. I can't help but think back on all his posts and all the really good times we had here. I feel like I've lost a brother. I feel so hurt, and I can only imagine the loss his closest personal friends and family must feel. I wish peace of mind for all of them, and for everyone here that knew Gunnar. It's hard to express this sadness. Ken > > > > ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 90 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:57:37 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.100 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 993866195 216.241.33.100 (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:56:35 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:56:35 MDT Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!torn!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68694 Janice wrote in message news:MPG.15a6f1d73bafd34998986a@news.starlinx.com... > In article , > sculpt@privatei.com says... > > > > Simon Kristoffersson wrote in message > > news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > > > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. > > He > > > had heart. > > > > > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > > > He can tell you more. > > > He said it was over quickly. > > > It was very cold. > > > > > > > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > > > He was close to me. > > > Now my life wont be the same. > > > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > > > He was my only real deep friend. > > > > > > I will miss him deeply. > > > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over > > him > > > being gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > > > At least that is some consollation. > > > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > > > I will always remember him. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > Simon, I am so very very hurt to hear this. I have considered Gunnar a long > > time friend. He was one of the original posters to this group and I have > > known him for years and shared hundreds of posts with him. He was one of > > the people that I respected most on this news group and I had hoped that I > > could meet him someday if I had ever gotten around to traveling overseas. I > > am feeling so terribly wasted and saddened by this news right now I wish I > > could spend time in person with everyone else in this newsgroup that knew > > him just to share a toast to him. He was a very sensitive and kind person, > > very insightful and intelligent. A man that really knew how to enjoy and > > love life. I will miss him very very much. I won't easily forget him. > > > > Here's to my friend Gunnar. > > > > This newsgroup will never ever be the same again. Not even close. I'm not > > even sure I'll bother to post here anymore. It doesn't seem worth it. It > > doesn't feel right anymore. Gunnar was the best! > > > > My heart goes out to you Simon. Please feel free to write to me directly if > > you like. > > > > Ken > > I'm saddened too. I knew he was going on this expedition and was a bit > worried, since it is a risky hobby.... But Gunnar knew the risks, and > died doing something he loved, and how many of us will be able to say > that? I think I knew him well enough to say that he wouldn't want us to > lose heart and stop posting here forever. He did die doing what he loved. That's the best. It represents who he was as a person. There is no greater testimony to who he was than this. It doesn't help much though, it still feels to me like god has lost his mind. It's going to take me awhile to understand this. Ken ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:30:40 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-IwNOKD45NDHd+wRxB6vPpTWLLOBKWm+EZS0iztIJknMdCDQ9z8VYSVNmUPyx0QEFKuOtdhJp6mVob0g!f5zMan+R5fc+Pab3xmtAdeHJsRWCAJcGvmOq3IhuNjYSf2ecYrxVGBaLqvSlQ5HhqetnNLclpyxK!g1p/zA8lXg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:32:34 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68719 In article , sculpt@privatei.com says... > > Janice wrote in message > news:MPG.15a6f1d73bafd34998986a@news.starlinx.com... > > > > I'm saddened too. I knew he was going on this expedition and was a bit > > worried, since it is a risky hobby.... But Gunnar knew the risks, and > > died doing something he loved, and how many of us will be able to say > > that? I think I knew him well enough to say that he wouldn't want us to > > lose heart and stop posting here forever. > > He did die doing what he loved. That's the best. It represents who he was > as a person. There is no greater testimony to who he was than this. It > doesn't help much though, it still feels to me like god has lost his mind. > It's going to take me awhile to understand this. Perhaps this will help in some small measure, though it might break you up first. This was a conversation Gunnar once had on the newsgroup with Lars: ======= > It is not uncommon to hear on the radio that people have died in these > glaciers... Well, we all gotta die sometime, isnīt that so? There are dangers to be sure; 20 m deep crevasses hidden under snow, even deeper moulins (up to a few m wide vertical shafts in the ice), unexpected ice avalanches et.c. I donīt recommend novices to get onto glaciers on their own without the right equipment and competent guides. But it is so gorgeous there: Ice with a color so blue it almost beggars description - even in bad weather, savagely crevassed icefalls with ice towers reminiscent of fantasy castles, meandering meltwater streams incised into the ice surface, cracking and creaking noises, vast gently undulating pristine snowfields in the upper parts - glaciers seem almost *alive*. Oh, excuse me - I got carried away. Happens sometimes when I write about glaciers. Anyway, itīs really nice there. ====== Sounds to me like if he could have chosen the means of his passing, the one he got would have been high on his list. He embraced a beautiful but untamed goddess. A while back I started working on a desktop theme based on Gunnar's favorite glacier photograph from his website. He liked the theme a lot. If anyone wants a copy of this to put on their Windows computer in honor of Gunnar, let me know and I'll finish it off and make it available for downloading. ###### From: "dorothy" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:30:41 -0700 Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1082.bossig.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1082.bossig.com Message-ID: <3b3d572f@news.newszilla.com> X-Trace: news.newszilla.com 993875759 sanduser1082.bossig.com (29 Jun 2001 23:35:59 -0500) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.newszilla.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68547 "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote in message news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon Hello Simon I'm so very sad. I will certainly miss Gunnar's warm humor, wit and sincerity. He was not too long ago telling us what it would be like to lose your life in a crevasse. I hope he did not suffer greatly. It is certainly small consolation to know that Gunnar checked out while doing something that he enjoyed immensely. Still... if Gunnar's family has any pictures from his camera that he took on his last journey, I would love to see one or two up on his web site some day. See you out there, Gunnar. ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:06:46 EDT Organization: BELLSOUTH.net & WebUseNet Corp - "ReInventing the UseNet" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:09:19 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.cgocable.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68767 Janice wrote in message news:MPG.15a7044dbdf14dec98986d@news.starlinx.com... : In article , : sculpt@privatei.com says... : > : > Janice wrote in message : > news:MPG.15a6f1d73bafd34998986a@news.starlinx.com... : > > : > > I'm saddened too. I knew he was going on this expedition and was a bit : > > worried, since it is a risky hobby.... But Gunnar knew the risks, and : > > died doing something he loved, and how many of us will be able to say : > > that? I think I knew him well enough to say that he wouldn't want us to : > > lose heart and stop posting here forever. : > : > He did die doing what he loved. That's the best. It represents who he was : > as a person. There is no greater testimony to who he was than this. It : > doesn't help much though, it still feels to me like god has lost his mind. : > It's going to take me awhile to understand this. : : Perhaps this will help in some small measure, though it might break you : up first. This was a conversation Gunnar once had on the newsgroup with : Lars: : : ======= : : > It is not uncommon to hear on the radio that people have died in these : > glaciers... : : Well, we all gotta die sometime, isnīt that so? There are dangers to be : sure; 20 m deep crevasses hidden under snow, even deeper moulins (up to : a few m wide vertical shafts in the ice), unexpected ice avalanches : et.c. I donīt recommend novices to get onto glaciers on their own : without the right equipment and competent guides. : : But it is so gorgeous there: Ice with a color so blue it almost beggars : description - even in bad weather, savagely crevassed icefalls with ice : towers reminiscent of fantasy castles, meandering meltwater streams : incised into the ice surface, cracking and creaking noises, vast gently : undulating pristine snowfields in the upper parts - glaciers seem almost : *alive*. : : Oh, excuse me - I got carried away. Happens sometimes when I write about : glaciers. Anyway, itīs really nice there. : : ====== : : Sounds to me like if he could have chosen the means of his passing, the : one he got would have been high on his list. He embraced a beautiful but : untamed goddess. : : A while back I started working on a desktop theme based on Gunnar's : favorite glacier photograph from his website. He liked the theme a lot. : If anyone wants a copy of this to put on their Windows computer in honor : of Gunnar, let me know and I'll finish it off and make it available for : downloading. Sure Janice.I'd like it! ###### From: "dorothy" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:31:38 -0700 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1079.bossig.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1079.bossig.com Message-ID: <3b3e0e2c@news.newszilla.com> X-Trace: news.newszilla.com 993922604 sanduser1079.bossig.com (30 Jun 2001 12:36:44 -0500) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.newszilla.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68550 "Janice" wrote in message news:MPG.15a7044dbdf14dec98986d@news.starlinx.com... [snip] > A while back I started working on a desktop theme based on Gunnar's > favorite glacier photograph from his website. He liked the theme a lot. > If anyone wants a copy of this to put on their Windows computer in honor > of Gunnar, let me know and I'll finish it off and make it available for > downloading. Yes, I'd put it on my desktop, Janice. Thanks for doing it. And, could you send the link to his site again. I'm afraid I didn't save it. By the by, I had a series of interesting hypnogogic images last night while meditating and thinking about Gunnar. They all were depictions of beautiful filigree design(s?) in various mediums. Instead of the usual dull gray color, these were a deep brown, with a hint of maroon. The designs seemed like they might be symbolic of something, but my views were so fleeting, I don't think I could reproduce them. The first was about the size of a heating vent, maybe 4" by 12". The 2nd was larger, maybe 2' by 4'. It was up on a ceiling or something and moved down an arched niche in front of me, conforming to the shape of the wall. The 3rd was about the same size, but it was superimposed over a window, so that the design was backlit. The 4th seemed to be a repeat of the 1st (though it could've been a different one). It came crashing down on another object and broke into several pieces. This last bit disturbed me some, though I couldn't say why. Perhaps it denoted the fragility of a life? I kept up the meditation for awhile, trying for an OBE, but was too tired and fell asleep. If anyone has any dreams or OBEs with Gunnar, I hope they will please share. ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> <3b3e0e2c@news.newszilla.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50 Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:09:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-11n2W9mZzZkfquR3qlKa6DJJbP+kuCkkGxamOvthWo6wk/um2Cz55nzx17lckS/wy2oSEdIys3bysEJ!Jfp1rsYAbmPGQfmcYoG3D0MU2vrMAqY09MSJVH85SkipS40fYXp7/R/blYVS9piNNyrlGviQZ6oi!3knu1/30VQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:11:14 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68669 In article <3b3e0e2c@news.newszilla.com>, dorthd@televar.com says... > > "Janice" wrote in message > news:MPG.15a7044dbdf14dec98986d@news.starlinx.com... > > [snip] > > > A while back I started working on a desktop theme based on Gunnar's > > favorite glacier photograph from his website. He liked the theme a lot. > > If anyone wants a copy of this to put on their Windows computer in honor > > of Gunnar, let me know and I'll finish it off and make it available for > > downloading. > > Yes, I'd put it on my desktop, Janice. Thanks for doing it. OK, everyone, I'll finish it up today. The music is very beautiful--"Snow on High Ground" and "Whiter Than Snow" by the Celtic group Nightnoise. > And, could you > send the link to his site again. I'm afraid I didn't save it. http://www.algonet.se/~dervak/ (You can follow the links there to get to his glacier pages and his Elfquest pages.) > By the by, I had a series of interesting hypnogogic images last night while > meditating and thinking about Gunnar. They all were depictions of > beautiful filigree design(s?) in various mediums. Instead of the usual dull > gray color, these were a deep brown, with a hint of maroon. The designs > seemed like they might be symbolic of something, but my views were so > fleeting, I don't think I could reproduce them. The first was about the size > of a heating vent, maybe 4" by 12". The 2nd was larger, maybe 2' by 4'. It > was up on a ceiling or something and moved down an arched niche in front of > me, conforming to the shape of the wall. The 3rd was about the same size, > but it was superimposed over a window, so that the design was backlit. The > 4th seemed to be a repeat of the 1st (though it could've been a different > one). It came crashing down on another object and broke into several pieces. > This last bit disturbed me some, though I couldn't say why. Perhaps it > denoted the fragility of a life? I kept up the meditation for awhile, > trying for an OBE, but was too tired and fell asleep. > > If anyone has any dreams or OBEs with Gunnar, I hope they will please share. I probably will have some, since my dreams so often tie in to my waking thoughts. In that dream I reported earlier in the week in which I was running joyously through the snowfield calling Gunnar's name now and then, the voice that kept answering me back with the same word or phrase I couldn't understand (probably my mind's attempt at simulating Swedish) sounded angry. I felt like I was being told to stay away, which I think is one reason I never bothered veering off my path to seek a source for the dreamed voice (the other being that I was having such a grand time doing what I was doing). -- You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take, and, statistically speaking, 99% of the shots you do. --Despair, Inc. My homepage: http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong/ The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Lines: 80 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:46:03 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.15 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 994124682 216.241.33.15 (Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:44:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:44:42 MDT Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68677 Lorz wrote in message news:aWl%6.61849$HJ1.488692@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... > Janice wrote in message > news:MPG.15a7044dbdf14dec98986d@news.starlinx.com... > : In article , > : sculpt@privatei.com says... > : > > : > Janice wrote in message > : > news:MPG.15a6f1d73bafd34998986a@news.starlinx.com... > : > > > : > > I'm saddened too. I knew he was going on this expedition and was a > bit > : > > worried, since it is a risky hobby.... But Gunnar knew the risks, and > : > > died doing something he loved, and how many of us will be able to say > : > > that? I think I knew him well enough to say that he wouldn't want us > to > : > > lose heart and stop posting here forever. > : > > : > He did die doing what he loved. That's the best. It represents who he > was > : > as a person. There is no greater testimony to who he was than this. It > : > doesn't help much though, it still feels to me like god has lost his > mind. > : > It's going to take me awhile to understand this. > : > : Perhaps this will help in some small measure, though it might break you > : up first. This was a conversation Gunnar once had on the newsgroup with > : Lars: > : > : ======= > : > : > It is not uncommon to hear on the radio that people have died in these > : > glaciers... > : > : Well, we all gotta die sometime, isnīt that so? There are dangers to be > : sure; 20 m deep crevasses hidden under snow, even deeper moulins (up to > : a few m wide vertical shafts in the ice), unexpected ice avalanches > : et.c. I donīt recommend novices to get onto glaciers on their own > : without the right equipment and competent guides. > : > : But it is so gorgeous there: Ice with a color so blue it almost beggars > : description - even in bad weather, savagely crevassed icefalls with ice > : towers reminiscent of fantasy castles, meandering meltwater streams > : incised into the ice surface, cracking and creaking noises, vast gently > : undulating pristine snowfields in the upper parts - glaciers seem almost > : *alive*. > : > : Oh, excuse me - I got carried away. Happens sometimes when I write about > : glaciers. Anyway, itīs really nice there. > : > : ====== > : > : Sounds to me like if he could have chosen the means of his passing, the > : one he got would have been high on his list. He embraced a beautiful but > : untamed goddess. > : > : A while back I started working on a desktop theme based on Gunnar's > : favorite glacier photograph from his website. He liked the theme a lot. > : If anyone wants a copy of this to put on their Windows computer in honor > : of Gunnar, let me know and I'll finish it off and make it available for > : downloading. > > Sure Janice.I'd like it! Ditto. Ken > > > > ###### From: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Im very sorry to inform you all that Gunnar Ljungstrand has died in a glacier accident Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 21:29:45 +0100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!sn-uk-xit-01!sn-uk-post-02!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:68606 Simon I am so sorry. Tien Yen relayed your post to me so have only just heard. What can I say? We all share your terrible sense of loss. It's only temporary - but it's not much help telling you that when you're hurting so much. My deepest sympathy to you and Gunnar's family and all his close friends on this group. Love carol "Simon Kristoffersson" wrote in message news:7O__6.15031$vR1.43171@nntpserver.swip.net... > He was my only friend and ill miss him deply. He was such a fine friend. He > had heart. > > I was told this by his brother David. today over the phone. > He can tell you more. > He said it was over quickly. > It was very cold. > > > I have been his friend for almost 8 years. > He was close to me. > Now my life wont be the same. > Without him I feel there is no point in living anymore. > He was my only real deep friend. > > I will miss him deeply. > I feel like I will never get over the sadnes and the sorrow I feel over him > being gone. > > > > If I'm lucky I will meet him out of body. > At least that is some consollation. > He was a great friend. He will be greatly missed. > I will always remember him. > > Simon > >