Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: news problems (was Re: Questions to OBE'ers) Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:47:34 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 137 Message-ID: <6uy9sy2rjt.fsf_-_@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3ADA6046.1497BA65@home.com> <3ADAABB7.34016889@algonet.se> <3adab6ef$1@news.newszilla.com> <3ADABA6E.9DC55370@algonet.se> <3adb050e.1141787@localhot> <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 987605256 579 10.0.3.2 (18 Apr 2001 14:47:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:47:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66074 Gunnar Ljungstrand writes: > Janice wrote: > > > > Instead I have this other problem, that some 5-10% of posts turn up > > > empty. Heading, author, time posted, yes, but no text whatsoever. > > > That is very frustrating, especially since Google seems to have a > > > latency of 2-3 days. > > > > Perhaps those are html posts and your newsreader can't read them? The > > old IE News program from IE 3, which Jay still likes, will do that > > with html posts. > > No, it's not that. I can see HTML posts now and then (even if I don't > like them), and this happens to my own posts too - and I *never* post in > HTML. It seems to be some error in my downloading, as posts which are > empty to me are evidently read with no problem by others. To see if the posts get to your newsfeed (and go wrong on the way down to you) or dont even get as far as your newsfeed, try this: Use telnet with host=your-news-server and port=119, which gives something like this: Trying 10.0.3.2... Connected to chonsp.franklin.ch. Escape character is '^]'. 200 chonsp.franklin.ch InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.2.1 25-Aug-1999 ready (posting ok). There type group alt.out-of-body to select the group, giving: 211 65988 1 66073 alt.out-of-body Then take from an broken post the header line like this one: Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66046 for the number at the end. And then type head 66046 which gives: 221 66046 <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> head From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Questions to OBE'ers Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:35:06 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> References: <3ADA6046.1497BA65@home.com> <3ADAABB7.34016889@algonet.se> <3adab6ef$1@news.newszilla.com> <3ADABA6E.9DC55370@algonet.se> <3adb050e.1141787@localhost> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du91-92.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 987456955 23542 195.100.92.91 (16 Apr 2001 21:35:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 2001 21:35:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66046 . Use this to check whether you got the right number, as then the header should be the one you took the Xref from. Then for the article body do body 66046 which should give: 222 66046 <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> body Hi Janice, Welcome back! :-) Janice wrote: > > Instead I have this other problem, that some 5-10% of posts turn up > > empty. Heading, author, time posted, yes, but no text whatsoever. > > That is very frustrating, especially since Google seems to have a > > latency of 2-3 days. > > Perhaps those are html posts and your newsreader can't read them? The > old IE News program from IE 3, which Jay still likes, will do that > with html posts. No, it's not that. I can see HTML posts now and then (even if I don't like them), and this happens to my own posts too - and I *never* post in HTML. It seems to be some error in my downloading, as posts which are empty to me are evidently read with no problem by others. > Don't you ever get the same scene back after a blank phase? I think I > do more often than not. But then my blank phases usually happen while > I'm just walking around. No, as far as I can recall that has never happened. Not after a scene change. After a blackout in the sense of losing visuals, yes, but then I could still hear sounds, touch the wall beside me etc. Then I never was *gone*, just blind. The black in a scene change seems to be, as Ken put it, a void. No sensory input whatsoever there, but no loss of consciousness - I can think and remember. See you out there... /Gunnar ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . So now you know if the article did arrive complete, and of course you can read it if it did (no wait for google). Alternatively to checking with head 66046 and viewing with body 66046 you can get both at once with article 66046 . > In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. A very nice one. And thanks for them stereo pictures. I already used that method for 3D molecule prints about 15 years ago, and never managed to explain it to my father. Dito he never got the hang with autostereoskop pictures (them curly patterns that become 3D geometrical objects). With your web site he got the hang of it immediately. And thanks to the method description I will sure be making some myself the next time I am making photos. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: news problems (was Re: Questions to OBE'ers) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:24:30 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 99 Message-ID: <3ADDCDCE.F4306997@algonet.se> References: <3ADA6046.1497BA65@home.com> <3ADAABB7.34016889@algonet.se> <3adab6ef$1@news.newszilla.com> <3ADABA6E.9DC55370@algonet.se> <3adb050e.1141787@localhot> <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> <6uy9sy2rjt.fsf_-_2@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du153-93.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 987614720 15932 195.100.93.153 (18 Apr 2001 17:25:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:25:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66077 Hi Neil, Neil Franklin wrote: > To see if the posts get to your newsfeed (and go wrong on the way down > to you) or dont even get as far as your newsfeed, try this: > > Use telnet with host=your-news-server and port=119, which gives > something like this: Ok. > Trying 10.0.3.2... > Connected to chonsp.franklin.ch. > Escape character is '^]'. > 200 chonsp.franklin.ch InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.2.1 25-Aug-1999 > ready (posting ok). Ok. > There type group alt.out-of-body to select the group, giving: > > 211 65988 1 66073 alt.out-of-body Ok. > Then take from an broken post the header line like this one: > > Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66046 Hmm... I couldn't get the header either (what I meant I got was the title , author, time etc. as shown in Netscape Messenger, but it is still empty, even when I chose View full headers. Nonetheless, I selected one of my own "empty" posts and found it after a while (searching for matching author and time). > for the number at the end. And then type head 66046 which gives: [snip] Ok. > Use this to check whether you got the right number, as then the header > should be the one you took the Xref from. Then for the article body do > body 66046 which should give: [snip] Ok. Thanks Neil. :-) I found it and the text was there (on the news server). So it is something with my downloading (as I suspected). But at least I can check such out like this now. Now, is there any way to get only a screen of text at a time? > So now you know if the article did arrive complete, and of course you > can read it if it did (no wait for google). Alternatively to checking > with head 66046 and viewing with body 66046 you can get both > at once with article 66046 . Ok, great. :-D > > In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are > > not. > > A very nice one. Yeah, I thought so too. I like things like that. :-) > And thanks for them stereo pictures. I already used that method for 3D > molecule prints about 15 years ago, and never managed to explain it to > my father. Dito he never got the hang with autostereoskop pictures > (them curly patterns that become 3D geometrical objects). With your > web site he got the hang of it immediately. Cool! > And thanks to the method description I will sure be making some myself > the next time I am making photos. Yep, it is an interesting hobby! > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer Thanks again Neil, for teaching me how to get posts via Telnet. > - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery I could not agree more. Information can not be owned. See you out there... /Gunnar ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: news problems (was Re: Questions to OBE'ers) Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:46:11 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6ulmox3mqk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3ADA6046.1497BA65@home.com> <3ADAABB7.34016889@algonet.se> <3adab6ef$1@news.newszilla.com> <3ADABA6E.9DC55370@algonet.se> <3adb050e.1141787@localhot> <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> <6uy9sy2rjt.fsf_-_2@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3ADDCDCE.F4306997@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 987630371 1466 10.0.3.2 (18 Apr 2001 21:46:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2001 21:46:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66084 Gunnar Ljungstrand writes: > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > Use this to check whether you got the right number, as then the header > > should be the one you took the Xref from. Then for the article body do > > body 66046 which should give: > > [snip] > > Ok. Thanks Neil. :-) I found it and the text was there (on the news > server). So it is something with my downloading (as I suspected). But at > least I can check such out like this now. > > Now, is there any way to get only a screen of text at a time? Raw NNTP was not intended as user interface. That is supposed to be the job of the newsreader :-). But decent telnets have scroll bars. So you can use them. > > - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery > > I could not agree more. Information can not be owned. And shall not by law be declared to be so. Background of that .sig: Protest, that the government should not use its law enforcement powers (= threat of and using of violence) to subdue people into pretending it can be owned and so is not available to themselves (= taken away from them, take away under thread of violence = robbery) despite them having copies of it, due to its spread-by-copy nature. It is intended to be a catchy phrase to counteract the "copying is piracy (= robbery)" propaganda lie that IP lawyers and their clients like to spread. Theory behind it: Matter due to its atomar nature can only be shaped by lots of work and with special tools and knowledge, so material objects are naturally scarse, so we protect those paying the aquisition cost (time or money) by property law. Most people would prefer abundancy, ideally a la Star Treck replicators, but we do not (yet) have the technology for this. Intellect due to its bitty nature can be copied effortlessly and is so naturally abundant. IP laws try to create artificial scarcity, exactly the oposite to what most of us want. This is bad law. Authorship can be financed by other means, just like science is, where results are public. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: news problems (was Re: Questions to OBE'ers) Message-ID: <3ade1e75.271218@localhost> Cancel-Lock: sha1:1h9LMCE6oJ8WownfQDgc10aolOM= References: <3ADA6046.1497BA65@home.com> <3ADAABB7.34016889@algonet.se> <3adab6ef$1@news.newszilla.com> <3ADABA6E.9DC55370@algonet.se> <3adb050e.1141787@localhot> <3ADB658A.F7BBF7BD@algonet.se> <6uy9sy2rjt.fsf_-_2@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3ADDCDCE.F4306997@algonet.se> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:09:06 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-3s7kbQDoDOdirwdtPyMytM+uhltn706eS3f+aN4cm/RFQKI4ZZJdnGD7REfnkM8nlhyElPIH6t6bzT6!hb8gOnjxzCeeoKfJ3M/G4UOwU7KTJmB5dFts2patmCOXQfVI5GCXsUBe0gyD X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@giganews.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:09:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:66085 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:24:30 +0200, Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >Hi Neil, > >Neil Franklin wrote: >> And thanks for them stereo pictures. I already used that method for 3D >> molecule prints about 15 years ago, and never managed to explain it to >> my father. Dito he never got the hang with autostereoskop pictures >> (them curly patterns that become 3D geometrical objects). With your >> web site he got the hang of it immediately. > >Cool! I'm jealous. ----------- Mediocrity: It takes a lot less time and most people won't know the difference until it's too late.--Despair, Inc. ----------- My homepage: http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong/ * * * The alt.out-of-body newsgroup homepage: http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/index.html