From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:55:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.87 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 981227213 216.241.33.87 (Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:06:53 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:06:53 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:62875 OK, here's part II of the OBE I had yesterday. I go into quite a bit of detail here about the VS experience in this OBE because I really had a chance to study it. (Some of you might remember when I studied this before, but I learned something new this time). As soon as I hit the bed and realized the condition of my brain (highly charged) and my body (tired and relaxed) I realized I could go OBE. Only a minute passed when the vibrations came over me. Now this was rather interesting. For one thing I was absolutely positively wide awake and fully aware. Only a minute earlier I had gotten into bed and nothing changed as far as my awareness was concerned. I was lying on my right side looking across my bed and out to the rug. I could see the wall on the headboard side of my bed. Unexpectedly a six inch dancing spider appeared in my view just dangling in the air near the wall, all red with black legs. He was obviously there for my benefit, wiggling his legs and bouncing up and down. Seemed he had a little smiling face on as well, a real comedian. At this point (and not until this point) I realized that this whole time I was seeing with astral vision. I was still vibrating and wanted to take a closer look at what was happening here. I discovered that I could prevent myself from going OBE, and also prevent myself from falling back into reality with a great deal of precision. I remembered I was suppose to perform an experiment but I couldn't for the life of me remember what it was. Hours later I did remember I was going to try and see if I was in SP to relate the vibrational frequency with SP. It wouldn't have mattered however because I was sitting right on top of something much more complex. The sensations were really something to behold. I easily could have slipped into separation but held back just to be here for awhile. What was intriguing was the depth and color of both the sound and the vibrations. I had done this kind of observation a couple of years ago, but it was even better this time. The vibrations were a superimposition of higher frequency buzzes which wavered in frequency and electric impulses that would shoot off in various places in my body, sparks across my skin and pin pricks. The sounds were just as interesting and were a combination of mid frequency tones, rushing sounds, electric spark sounds, and some other mish mosh thrown in. All in full surround sound of course. The total sensation was involving and quite pleasant. Well, it was time to move on so I allowed myself to separate. I made a distinct thoughtful effort to keep my sight (of the bed and rug) during this whole process to see if I could detect the shifting point in consciousness. When it never came, I couldn't figure out what was going on. It then occurred to me that the vibrational state was not the point at which a shift in consciousness occurs as I had been informing people in the NG. Instead the shift occurs before the vibrations even start. Upon reflection I figure about a half a minute or so before. In this particular case the shift must have occurred right after I got into bed and started feeling my mind getting kind of restless. The shift occurred, silently and quickly and virtually without my awareness of it happening. If I were to speculate what exactly this shift is, I would venture to guess that it is a shift in "blocks" of memory. We have our memories while awake, and then we have our normally inaccessible subconscious memories. These memory blocks probably overlap as well. This shift in awareness is not so much a change from being awake to being asleep (obviously) but is rather a change in the memory blocks that the conscious aware brain uses in it's daily existence. This might explain why I had trouble remembering that what was on my blanket while awake was not what was on my blanket during the OBE I had a few weeks ago. This might also explain why the shift was imperceptible. It would only make itself known if perhaps I tried to remember something just before and just after the shift and found a discrepancy. This is also why I had full OBE vision just before, during and after the vibrational state. In part III I'll get into the Janice Experiment. Ken Knight of the Royal Despoil ###### From: "The Countess...." Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 103 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wqq7ftM05w+yPf7UK6Myu2uwZ/N+Sc5QyDALvkJTlcFAuNvqwMBstYgvTYLrHkCpapnFqKYQlFT!e9sQJLMUIhqpa4d9gh0dlvOeZILT1vSJFk979TEER996QK9rbnaepF/HxU/5xunbfHQFsrto8SdW!aZRpmn9TbSU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:30:19 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:30:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:62852 The Original Ken wrote in message ... >OK, here's part II of the OBE I had yesterday. > >I go into quite a bit of detail here about the VS experience in this OBE >because I really had a chance to study it. (Some of you might remember when >I studied this before, but I learned something new this time). > > >As soon as I hit the bed and realized the condition of my brain (highly >charged) and my body (tired and relaxed) I realized I could go OBE. Only a >minute passed when the vibrations came over me. > >Now this was rather interesting. For one thing I was absolutely positively >wide awake and fully aware. Only a minute earlier I had gotten into bed and >nothing changed as far as my awareness was concerned. I was lying on my >right side looking across my bed and out to the rug. I could see the wall >on the headboard side of my bed. Unexpectedly a six inch dancing spider >appeared in my view just dangling in the air near the wall, all red with >black legs. He was obviously there for my benefit, wiggling his legs and >bouncing up and down. Seemed he had a little smiling face on as well, a >real comedian. At this point (and not until this point) I realized that >this whole time I was seeing with astral vision. I was still vibrating and >wanted to take a closer look at what was happening here. I discovered that >I could prevent myself from going OBE, and also prevent myself from falling >back into reality with a great deal of precision. I remembered I was >suppose to perform an experiment but I couldn't for the life of me remember >what it was. Hours later I did remember I was going to try and see if I was >in SP to relate the vibrational frequency with SP. It wouldn't have >mattered however because I was sitting right on top of something much more >complex. The sensations were really something to behold. I easily could >have slipped into separation but held back just to be here for awhile. What >was intriguing was the depth and color of both the sound and the vibrations. >I had done this kind of observation a couple of years ago, but it was even >better this time. The vibrations were a superimposition of higher frequency >buzzes which wavered in frequency and electric impulses that would shoot off >in various places in my body, sparks across my skin and pin pricks. The >sounds were just as interesting and were a combination of mid frequency >tones, rushing sounds, electric spark sounds, and some other mish mosh >thrown in. All in full surround sound of course. The total sensation was >involving and quite pleasant. > >Well, it was time to move on so I allowed myself to separate. I made a >distinct thoughtful effort to keep my sight (of the bed and rug) during this >whole process to see if I could detect the shifting point in consciousness. >When it never came, I couldn't figure out what was going on. It then >occurred to me that the vibrational state was not the point at which a shift >in consciousness occurs as I had been informing people in the NG. Instead >the shift occurs before the vibrations even start. Upon reflection I figure >about a half a minute or so before. In this particular case the shift must >have occurred right after I got into bed and started feeling my mind getting >kind of restless. The shift occurred, silently and quickly and virtually >without my awareness of it happening. If I were to speculate what exactly >this shift is, I would venture to guess that it is a shift in "blocks" of >memory. We have our memories while awake, and then we have our normally >inaccessible subconscious memories. These memory blocks probably overlap as >well. This shift in awareness is not so much a change from being awake to >being asleep (obviously) but is rather a change in the memory blocks that >the conscious aware brain uses in it's daily existence. This might explain >why I had trouble remembering that what was on my blanket while awake was >not what was on my blanket during the OBE I had a few weeks ago. This might >also explain why the shift was imperceptible. It would only make itself >known if perhaps I tried to remember something just before and just after >the shift and found a discrepancy. This is also why I had full OBE vision >just before, during and after the vibrational state. > >In part III I'll get into the Janice Experiment. > >Ken >Knight of the Royal Despoil So ... you're saying that the shift actually occurs at the onset of the vibrations .. and that the vibrations are a result of the shift and not a prerequisite for it? (Do I have you right?) Does that mean that I could have actually have had an OBE during my afternoon nap, and just didn't realize that I had shifted already? Yes, memory has quite a bit to do with it. Basically what you've explained is the brain's daily mental model ... the basic structure of the environment of the OBE. (Ha! And perhaps the discrepancies are 'not-snuffys' that got stuck!) -- The Lady Trish Countess of Questioning http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 145 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:36:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.109 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 981250586 216.241.33.109 (Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:36:26 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:36:26 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!209.98.98.64!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:62880 The Countess.... wrote in message news:LL_e6.2204$Nd6.188986@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >OK, here's part II of the OBE I had yesterday. > > > >I go into quite a bit of detail here about the VS experience in this OBE > >because I really had a chance to study it. (Some of you might remember > when > >I studied this before, but I learned something new this time). > > > > > >As soon as I hit the bed and realized the condition of my brain (highly > >charged) and my body (tired and relaxed) I realized I could go OBE. Only a > >minute passed when the vibrations came over me. > > > >Now this was rather interesting. For one thing I was absolutely positively > >wide awake and fully aware. Only a minute earlier I had gotten into bed > and > >nothing changed as far as my awareness was concerned. I was lying on my > >right side looking across my bed and out to the rug. I could see the wall > >on the headboard side of my bed. Unexpectedly a six inch dancing spider > >appeared in my view just dangling in the air near the wall, all red with > >black legs. He was obviously there for my benefit, wiggling his legs and > >bouncing up and down. Seemed he had a little smiling face on as well, a > >real comedian. At this point (and not until this point) I realized that > >this whole time I was seeing with astral vision. I was still vibrating and > >wanted to take a closer look at what was happening here. I discovered that > >I could prevent myself from going OBE, and also prevent myself from falling > >back into reality with a great deal of precision. I remembered I was > >suppose to perform an experiment but I couldn't for the life of me remember > >what it was. Hours later I did remember I was going to try and see if I > was > >in SP to relate the vibrational frequency with SP. It wouldn't have > >mattered however because I was sitting right on top of something much more > >complex. The sensations were really something to behold. I easily could > >have slipped into separation but held back just to be here for awhile. > What > >was intriguing was the depth and color of both the sound and the > vibrations. > >I had done this kind of observation a couple of years ago, but it was even > >better this time. The vibrations were a superimposition of higher > frequency > >buzzes which wavered in frequency and electric impulses that would shoot > off > >in various places in my body, sparks across my skin and pin pricks. The > >sounds were just as interesting and were a combination of mid frequency > >tones, rushing sounds, electric spark sounds, and some other mish mosh > >thrown in. All in full surround sound of course. The total sensation was > >involving and quite pleasant. > > > >Well, it was time to move on so I allowed myself to separate. I made a > >distinct thoughtful effort to keep my sight (of the bed and rug) during > this > >whole process to see if I could detect the shifting point in consciousness. > >When it never came, I couldn't figure out what was going on. It then > >occurred to me that the vibrational state was not the point at which a > shift > >in consciousness occurs as I had been informing people in the NG. Instead > >the shift occurs before the vibrations even start. Upon reflection I > figure > >about a half a minute or so before. In this particular case the shift must > >have occurred right after I got into bed and started feeling my mind > getting > >kind of restless. The shift occurred, silently and quickly and virtually > >without my awareness of it happening. If I were to speculate what exactly > >this shift is, I would venture to guess that it is a shift in "blocks" of > >memory. We have our memories while awake, and then we have our normally > >inaccessible subconscious memories. These memory blocks probably overlap > as > >well. This shift in awareness is not so much a change from being awake to > >being asleep (obviously) but is rather a change in the memory blocks that > >the conscious aware brain uses in it's daily existence. This might explain > >why I had trouble remembering that what was on my blanket while awake was > >not what was on my blanket during the OBE I had a few weeks ago. This > might > >also explain why the shift was imperceptible. It would only make itself > >known if perhaps I tried to remember something just before and just after > >the shift and found a discrepancy. This is also why I had full OBE vision > >just before, during and after the vibrational state. > > > >In part III I'll get into the Janice Experiment. > > > >Ken > >Knight of the Royal Despoil > > > So ... you're saying that the shift actually occurs at the onset of the > vibrations .. and that the vibrations are a result of the shift and not a > prerequisite for it? (Do I have you right?) Yes, that's what I gathered from this experience. Sort of threw me off since all this time I thought the vibrations were a result of the shifting occuring. Seems not to be the case. I hope this gets put in somebody's book, cause I think it's important. > > Does that mean that I could have actually have had an OBE during my > afternoon nap, and just didn't realize that I had shifted already? Well, the separation itself of course occurs directly following the vibrations, but it seems the OBE (which can be defined as first a shift in consciousness, then the vibrations, then the separation) begins before the vibrations. > > Yes, memory has quite a bit to do with it. Basically what you've explained > is the brain's daily mental model ... the basic structure of the environment > of the OBE. (Ha! And perhaps the discrepancies are 'not-snuffys' that got > stuck!) Uh, could you explain not-snuffys to me. I was not paying attention when that was presented. Sir Ken > > -- > The Lady Trish > Countess of Questioning > > http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html > ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Message-ID: <3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:15:38 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-JBKTCfVuOxP22AekK/lZe18/5FXdzQHg4y7n3RBE3u2ibdYFyxHXtrXC7avznlMUrD02ReQ5V22qUUr!KWyHaT2wBKlprNjJgsJWE/5vHGU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 03:15:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:62755 On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:36:50 -0700, "The Original Ken" wrote: >Uh, could you explain not-snuffys to me. I was not paying attention when >that was presented. A not-snuffy is a kind of misperception, a mistaken interpretation of something you see based on jumping to conclusions from an initial cue. For instance, if I glimpse a hand-vac on a chair out of the corner of my eye, I may at first mistake it for my cat Snuffy, then on a second glance it resolves into its proper shape. Originally the term referred to the object that gets misperceived (anything that is not Snuffy is a not-snuffy), but later it came to refer to the misperception. ------- There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality. --Despair, Inc. ------- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com> Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:13:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.76 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 981371560 216.241.33.76 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:12:40 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:12:40 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:63009 Janice wrote in message news:3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com... > On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:36:50 -0700, "The Original Ken" > wrote: > > > >Uh, could you explain not-snuffys to me. I was not paying attention when > >that was presented. > > A not-snuffy is a kind of misperception, a mistaken interpretation of > something you see based on jumping to conclusions from an initial cue. > For instance, if I glimpse a hand-vac on a chair out of the corner of > my eye, I may at first mistake it for my cat Snuffy, then on a second > glance it resolves into its proper shape. Originally the term > referred to the object that gets misperceived (anything that is not > Snuffy is a not-snuffy), but later it came to refer to the > misperception. > Ah, OK. Thanks. Ken > > ------- > > There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, > except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land > but in the ocean of reality. --Despair, Inc. > > ------- > http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: "The Countess...." Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com> Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <_PTf6.626$vp2.50950@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /b/VKV8i2rFvpeWR0yHiOr656UQzS15G/jYm39wKy1J0ClALfzlFNemZO5eCyMDnl9UUG4BZijxW!baZUKUQTq5fONBQHCVQ15n1NT4Ix9fxzBmOMbV2Ai9MoWb2YF7Ecqv31XYIrx/ZAbTsDnbp2j29P!1MaNatc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:26:02 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:26:02 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:63004 The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >Janice wrote in message >news:3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com... >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:36:50 -0700, "The Original Ken" >> wrote: >> >> >> >Uh, could you explain not-snuffys to me. I was not paying attention when >> >that was presented. >> >> A not-snuffy is a kind of misperception, a mistaken interpretation of >> something you see based on jumping to conclusions from an initial cue. >> For instance, if I glimpse a hand-vac on a chair out of the corner of >> my eye, I may at first mistake it for my cat Snuffy, then on a second >> glance it resolves into its proper shape. Originally the term >> referred to the object that gets misperceived (anything that is not >> Snuffy is a not-snuffy), but later it came to refer to the >> misperception. >> > >Ah, OK. Thanks. > >Ken They can be real interesting when you set some time aside to just look for them. It's kind of like looking for discrepancies, but in the real world, not in OBEs. Some can be pretty impressive. -- The Lady Trish Countess of Questioning http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com> <_PTf6.626$vp2.50950@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: Part II: Ken's vibrational state experience Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:31:13 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.121 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 981696647 216.241.33.121 (Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:30:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:30:47 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:63239 The Countess.... wrote in message news:_PTf6.626$vp2.50950@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > The Original Ken wrote in message ... > > > >Janice wrote in message > >news:3a7cc8dc.2054907@news.starlinx.com... > >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:36:50 -0700, "The Original Ken" > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> >Uh, could you explain not-snuffys to me. I was not paying attention > when > >> >that was presented. > >> > >> A not-snuffy is a kind of misperception, a mistaken interpretation of > >> something you see based on jumping to conclusions from an initial cue. > >> For instance, if I glimpse a hand-vac on a chair out of the corner of > >> my eye, I may at first mistake it for my cat Snuffy, then on a second > >> glance it resolves into its proper shape. Originally the term > >> referred to the object that gets misperceived (anything that is not > >> Snuffy is a not-snuffy), but later it came to refer to the > >> misperception. > >> > > > >Ah, OK. Thanks. > > > >Ken > > > They can be real interesting when you set some time aside to just look for > them. It's kind of like looking for discrepancies, but in the real world, > not in OBEs. Some can be pretty impressive. > Yea, like seeing something on the table, but when you go back for it, it's not there (never was). Ken > > -- > The Lady Trish > Countess of Questioning > > http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html >