From: "Earl of the RPST" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:00:55 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.188.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 978962335 206.31.188.3 (Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:58:55 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 07:58:55 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60707 Hiya Group! A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! (hehehehe) Anyway... I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of carousel, from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with a sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of course I read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, please. (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to see that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had completely changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written word is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one of those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood the problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It is known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual data (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the side which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange information to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce his seizures. Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a dream state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have access to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a particular meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, the language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of course, it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, and late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean later...if ya'll desire.) B.D. ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:25:53 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.70 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 978967584 216.241.33.70 (Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:26:24 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:26:24 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60741 Earl of the RPST wrote in message news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > Hiya Group! > A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > (hehehehe) Anyway... > > I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of carousel, > from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with a > sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of course I > read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, please. > (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to see > that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had completely > changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written word > is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I > stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one of > those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood the > problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It is > known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual data > (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the side > which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange information > to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce his > seizures. > > Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a dream > state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have access > to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of > emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of > *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a particular > meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, the > language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than > words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of course, > it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it > does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > > (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, and > late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean > later...if ya'll desire.) > > B.D. > > > You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is that normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex before going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but vision while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what you are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway through the brain. Ken ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 84 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: 9mzmw4sHehQi95d9H7vR5TdQ7YsurslgMWl2deoIXI9XhGGMloWfaZYIMOgscUZj0Kb+t7sY5FRp!KDjlK3nZ9J/ijJ59EqhW8ivbhnibRd6kc2Sn98K7ypPJ2gTrGwox7+qPvZrQHxX6Ak8HjDSkdY2P!hZGnjso= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:29:54 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:29:54 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60728 The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >Earl of the RPST wrote in message >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... >> Hiya Group! >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! >> (hehehehe) Anyway... >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of >carousel, >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with a >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of course I >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, >please. >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to >see >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had completely >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written >word >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one of >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood the >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It is >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual data >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the >side >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange >information >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce >his >> seizures. >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a >dream >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have >access >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a >particular >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, >the >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of course, >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, and >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean >> later...if ya'll desire.) >> >> B.D. >> >> >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is that >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex before >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but vision >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what you >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway >through the brain. > >Ken Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! -- http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl> Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 112 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wsX0IVnPICVbBRI1TzlRCkPDfjySb7Wxkg6e6ndrTQjmLd6cABJRFEgz5J4B3irORu2phNbk3Sx!0t9Uhn6/R7oxl4uCZW92xcGhz6JKMz02iO32ISY6mrY6amjBrnQ3XJVL1fwAGok9c11UqbCjVEvs!lzfzycLVPrw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:23:32 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:23:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60976 Lorz wrote in message <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl>... > >Trish wrote in message >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... >: >: The Original Ken wrote in message ... >: > >: >Earl of the RPST wrote in message >: >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... >: >> Hiya Group! >: >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! >: >> (hehehehe) Anyway... >: >> >: >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of >: >carousel, >: >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with >a >: >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of >course >: I >: >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, >: >please. >: >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to >: >see >: >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had >: completely >: >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written >: >word >: >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I >: >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one >of >: >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood >: the >: >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It >: is >: >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual >data >: >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the >: >side >: >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange >: >information >: >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with >: >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce >: >his >: >> seizures. >: >> >: >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a >: >dream >: >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have >: >access >: >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and >: >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of >: >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something >: >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of >: >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a >: >particular >: >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, >: >the >: >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than >: >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of >: course, >: >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it >: >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. >: >> >: >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, >and >: >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean >: >> later...if ya'll desire.) >: >> >: >> B.D. >: >> >: >> >: >> >: >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is >: that >: >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex >before >: >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but >: vision >: >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what you >: >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway >: >through the brain. >: > >: >Ken >: >: >: Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read >: quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. >: >: *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! >: > >Maybe next OBE try to get in a brain? hehe.. :Þ Har har. : ) Question is, whose should I choose? -- http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl> Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 127 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:54:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.241.78 X-Trace: news1.atl 979178007 216.78.241.78 (Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:53:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:53:27 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60902 Trish wrote in message news:oW776.3235$eT6.290211@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... : : Lorz wrote in message <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl>... : > : >Trish wrote in message : >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... : >: : >: The Original Ken wrote in message ... : >: > : >: >Earl of the RPST wrote in message : >: >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... : >: >> Hiya Group! : >: >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! : >: >> (hehehehe) Anyway... : >: >> : >: >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of : >: >carousel, : >: >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with : >a : >: >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of : >course : >: I : >: >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, : >: >please. : >: >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised : to : >: >see : >: >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had : >: completely : >: >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the : written : >: >word : >: >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, : I : >: >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one : >of : >: >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood : >: the : >: >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. : It : >: is : >: >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual : >data : >: >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not : the : >: >side : >: >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange : >: >information : >: >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with : >: >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to : reduce : >: >his : >: >> seizures. : >: >> : >: >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a : >: >dream : >: >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have : >: >access : >: >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and : >: >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of : >: >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something : >: >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of : >: >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a : >: >particular : >: >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our : consciousness, : >: >the : >: >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than : >: >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of : >: course, : >: >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it : >: >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. : >: >> : >: >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, : >and : >: >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean : >: >> later...if ya'll desire.) : >: >> : >: >> B.D. : >: >> : >: >> : >: >> : >: >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is : >: that : >: >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex : >before : >: >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but : >: vision : >: >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what : you : >: >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway : >: >through the brain. : >: > : >: >Ken : >: : >: : >: Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read : >: quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. : >: : >: *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! : >: : > : >Maybe next OBE try to get in a brain? hehe.. :Þ : : : Har har. : ) : : Question is, whose should I choose? : : Ooooh that *is* the question! Surprise us! ###### From: "The Original Ken" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 106 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:45:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.241.33.115 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 979181127 216.241.33.115 (Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:45:27 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:45:27 MST Organization: Interlink Advertising Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60980 Trish wrote in message news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > The Original Ken wrote in message ... > > > >Earl of the RPST wrote in message > >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > >> Hiya Group! > >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > >> (hehehehe) Anyway... > >> > >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of > >carousel, > >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with a > >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of course > I > >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, > >please. > >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to > >see > >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had > completely > >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written > >word > >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I > >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one of > >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood > the > >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It > is > >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual data > >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the > >side > >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange > >information > >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce > >his > >> seizures. > >> > >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a > >dream > >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have > >access > >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of > >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of > >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a > >particular > >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, > >the > >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than > >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of > course, > >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it > >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > >> > >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, and > >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean > >> later...if ya'll desire.) > >> > >> B.D. > >> > >> > >> > >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is > that > >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex before > >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but > vision > >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what you > >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway > >through the brain. > > > >Ken > > > Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read > quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck going down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. > > *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! Careful what you wish for. "Trish gets strangled by wayward neural ganglion" Ken > > -- > http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html > ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 121 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /whyfmddvWsVFZ6M5vZzGsq0ERrU8aULxFjDTx1iTUHwaXwIfiBcNV9fW1zONoJsSiNO6EtH1Zpu!77w9LF37RdDgdb3UFBBZ3FfvHi4LwL719KJfIUPjnQaDhefvAdg+Ir2XKkegXDPpJ7iW9SnO5dKw!XzbMvQbl X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:37:07 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:37:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60943 The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >Trish wrote in message >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... >> >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... >> > >> >Earl of the RPST wrote in message >> >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... >> >> Hiya Group! >> >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! >> >> (hehehehe) Anyway... >> >> >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of >> >carousel, >> >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with >a >> >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of >course >> I >> >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, >> >please. >> >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised to >> >see >> >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had >> completely >> >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the written >> >word >> >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, I >> >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one >of >> >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood >> the >> >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. It >> is >> >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual >data >> >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not the >> >side >> >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange >> >information >> >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with >> >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to reduce >> >his >> >> seizures. >> >> >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a >> >dream >> >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have >> >access >> >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and >> >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of >> >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something >> >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of >> >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a >> >particular >> >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our consciousness, >> >the >> >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than >> >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of >> course, >> >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it >> >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. >> >> >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, >and >> >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean >> >> later...if ya'll desire.) >> >> >> >> B.D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is >> that >> >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex >before >> >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but >> vision >> >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what you >> >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway >> >through the brain. >> > >> >Ken >> >> >> Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read >> quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. > >I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck going >down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I >couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there >have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. You know, Bruce and I were discussing this, and I noticed that the things that I *could* read were simple ones .. such as you mentioned .. road signs, or other types of signs. I can't rightfully say I can read and recall a letter or anything like that. >> *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! > >Careful what you wish for. "Trish gets strangled by wayward neural >ganglion" LOL : ) -- http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### From: Craig Shillington Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:24:35 +1100 Organization: Deja Vous Lines: 123 Message-ID: <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp104.horsham.ozemu.com (203.24.252.104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 979264750 11328849 203.24.252.104 (16 [27978]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp104.horsham.ozemu.COM!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60994 Hi Trish, > > The Original Ken wrote in message ... > > > >Trish wrote in message > >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > >> > >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >> > > >> >Earl of the RPST wrote in message > >> >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > >> >> Hiya Group! > >> >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > >> >> (hehehehe) Anyway... > >> >> > >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of > >> >carousel, > >> >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with > >a > >> >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of > >course > >> I > >> >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, > >> >please. > >> >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised > to > >> >see > >> >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had > >> completely > >> >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the > written > >> >word > >> >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, > I > >> >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one > >of > >> >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood > >> the > >> >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. > It > >> is > >> >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual > >data > >> >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not > the > >> >side > >> >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange > >> >information > >> >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > >> >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to > reduce > >> >his > >> >> seizures. > >> >> > >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a > >> >dream > >> >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have > >> >access > >> >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > >> >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of > >> >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > >> >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of > >> >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a > >> >particular > >> >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our > consciousness, > >> >the > >> >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than > >> >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of > >> course, > >> >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it > >> >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > >> >> > >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, > >and > >> >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean > >> >> later...if ya'll desire.) > >> >> > >> >> B.D. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is > >> that > >> >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex > >before > >> >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but > >> vision > >> >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what > you > >> >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway > >> >through the brain. > >> > > >> >Ken > >> > >> > >> Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read > >> quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. > > > >I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck going > >down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I > >couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there > >have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. > > You know, Bruce and I were discussing this, and I noticed that the things > that I *could* read were simple ones .. such as you mentioned .. road signs, > or other types of signs. I can't rightfully say I can read and recall a > letter or anything like that. Hmmmmmm, maybe it's more because of the symbolism involved .... we are more seeing than reading. We just *understand* the meaning of the symbolism and think nothing of it, yet when we need to *read* something ... well .......... Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin -- ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com> Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... Lines: 148 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /w5UwKUi5WswUpMztFtqGkOROh1razfFE/qw85HQ3WJvfSdfHyG54KNqvfJwhMLDr9u2hvokzTTv!rGV4oSbD5TJK4Pp2+12W1fl04OuQFKDbhH6/PcBO+15X9oeFXY/jIUc3BGCvfa0zeGKXmCSrrfRU!6ruhM16l X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:13:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:13:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:61168 Craig Shillington wrote in message <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com>... > > >Hi Trish, >> >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... >> > >> >Trish wrote in message >> >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... >> >> >> >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... >> >> > >> >> >Earl of the RPST wrote in message >> >> >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... >> >> >> Hiya Group! >> >> >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! >> >> >> (hehehehe) Anyway... >> >> >> >> >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of >> >> >carousel, >> >> >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with >> >a >> >> >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of >> >course >> >> I >> >> >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, >> >> >please. >> >> >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised >> to >> >> >see >> >> >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had >> >> completely >> >> >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the >> written >> >> >word >> >> >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, >> I >> >> >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one >> >of >> >> >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood >> >> the >> >> >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. >> It >> >> is >> >> >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual >> >data >> >> >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not >> the >> >> >side >> >> >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange >> >> >information >> >> >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with >> >> >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to >> reduce >> >> >his >> >> >> seizures. >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a >> >> >dream >> >> >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have >> >> >access >> >> >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and >> >> >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of >> >> >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something >> >> >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of >> >> >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a >> >> >particular >> >> >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our >> consciousness, >> >> >the >> >> >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than >> >> >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of >> >> course, >> >> >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it >> >> >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. >> >> >> >> >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, >> >and >> >> >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean >> >> >> later...if ya'll desire.) >> >> >> >> >> >> B.D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is >> >> that >> >> >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex >> >before >> >> >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but >> >> vision >> >> >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what >> you >> >> >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway >> >> >through the brain. >> >> > >> >> >Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read >> >> quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. >> > >> >I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck going >> >down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I >> >couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there >> >have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. >> >> You know, Bruce and I were discussing this, and I noticed that the things >> that I *could* read were simple ones .. such as you mentioned .. road signs, >> or other types of signs. I can't rightfully say I can read and recall a >> letter or anything like that. > >Hmmmmmm, maybe it's more because of the symbolism involved .... we are >more seeing than reading. We just *understand* the meaning of the >symbolism and think nothing of it, yet when we need to *read* >something ... well .......... > >Craig Could be Craig. We may be translating the image into some type of psychological signpost or something. -- http://www.geocities.com/fl_simian/welcome.html ###### Message-ID: <3A613A5C.FC9F72A6@televar.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:34:20 -0800 From: dorothy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... References: <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser2054.bossig.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser2054.bossig.com X-Trace: 13 Jan 2001 23:17:45 -0600, sanduser2054.bossig.com Lines: 154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsnerds.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!210.147.7.1!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!osa.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news-out.newsnerds.com!sanduser2054.bossig.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:61148 Trish wrote: > > Craig Shillington wrote in message <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com>... > > > > > >Hi Trish, > >> > >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >> > > >> >Trish wrote in message > >> >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > >> >> > >> >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >> >> > > >> >> >Earl of the RPST wrote in message > >> >> >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > >> >> >> Hiya Group! > >> >> >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > >> >> >> (hehehehe) Anyway... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of > >> >> >carousel, > >> >> >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented > with > >> >a > >> >> >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of > >> >course > >> >> I > >> >> >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, > >> >> >please. > >> >> >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite > surprised > >> to > >> >> >see > >> >> >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had > >> >> completely > >> >> >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the > >> written > >> >> >word > >> >> >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? > So, > >> I > >> >> >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when > one > >> >of > >> >> >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately > understood > >> >> the > >> >> >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. > >> It > >> >> is > >> >> >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets > visual > >> >data > >> >> >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not > >> the > >> >> >side > >> >> >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange > >> >> >information > >> >> >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > >> >> >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to > >> reduce > >> >> >his > >> >> >> seizures. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in > a > >> >> >dream > >> >> >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not > have > >> >> >access > >> >> >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > >> >> >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world > of > >> >> >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > >> >> >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind > of > >> >> >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a > >> >> >particular > >> >> >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our > >> consciousness, > >> >> >the > >> >> >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather > than > >> >> >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of > >> >> course, > >> >> >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And > it > >> >> >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a > hurry, > >> >and > >> >> >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I > mean > >> >> >> later...if ya'll desire.) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> B.D. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about > is > >> >> that > >> >> >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex > >> >before > >> >> >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but > >> >> vision > >> >> >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what > >> you > >> >> >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different > pathway > >> >> >through the brain. > >> >> > > >> >> >Ken > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can > read > >> >> quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. > >> > > >> >I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck > going > >> >down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I > >> >couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there > >> >have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. > >> > >> You know, Bruce and I were discussing this, and I noticed that the things > >> that I *could* read were simple ones .. such as you mentioned .. road > signs, > >> or other types of signs. I can't rightfully say I can read and recall a > >> letter or anything like that. > > > >Hmmmmmm, maybe it's more because of the symbolism involved .... we are > >more seeing than reading. We just *understand* the meaning of the > >symbolism and think nothing of it, yet when we need to *read* > >something ... well .......... > > > >Craig > > Could be Craig. We may be translating the image into some type of > psychological signpost or something. A number of years ago, I had a dream where I saw some sort of Native American pictographs - more like hieroglyphics, really. Anyway, I was able to translate them into English and came up with a pretty cool little poem (Man, he comes to see the sun, Man, he comes, the day is done... etc.) Went on for a couple of verses. I wrote it all down when I woke up. The last couple of days I've been reading in my dreams again - influenced, perhaps, by the thread here, but can't recall it when I wake up. Most of the time, I'm like you all, and can only read simple things. (No more translations!) It's definitely an interesting topic though. ###### Message-ID: <3A613ACD.2698898@televar.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:36:13 -0800 From: dorothy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... References: <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser2054.bossig.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser2054.bossig.com X-Trace: 13 Jan 2001 23:19:35 -0600, sanduser2054.bossig.com Lines: 109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsnerds.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!osa.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news-out.newsnerds.com!sanduser2054.bossig.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:61136 Trish wrote: > > Lorz wrote in message <5w376.1972$gN3.107615@news1.atl>... > > > >Trish wrote in message > >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > >: > >: The Original Ken wrote in message ... > >: > > >: >Earl of the RPST wrote in message > >: >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > >: >> Hiya Group! > >: >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > >: >> (hehehehe) Anyway... > >: >> > >: >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of > >: >carousel, > >: >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented with > >a > >: >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of > >course > >: I > >: >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, > >: >please. > >: >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite surprised > to > >: >see > >: >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had > >: completely > >: >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the > written > >: >word > >: >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? So, > I > >: >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when one > >of > >: >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately understood > >: the > >: >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. > It > >: is > >: >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets visual > >data > >: >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not > the > >: >side > >: >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange > >: >information > >: >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > >: >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to > reduce > >: >his > >: >> seizures. > >: >> > >: >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in a > >: >dream > >: >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not have > >: >access > >: >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > >: >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world of > >: >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > >: >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind of > >: >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a > >: >particular > >: >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our > consciousness, > >: >the > >: >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather than > >: >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of > >: course, > >: >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And it > >: >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > >: >> > >: >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a hurry, > >and > >: >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I mean > >: >> later...if ya'll desire.) > >: >> > >: >> B.D. > >: >> > >: >> > >: >> > >: >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about is > >: that > >: >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex > >before > >: >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but > >: vision > >: >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what > you > >: >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different pathway > >: >through the brain. > >: > > >: >Ken > >: > >: > >: Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can read > >: quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. > >: > >: *Jeez* I wish I could see a brain on OBE! > >: > > > >Maybe next OBE try to get in a brain? hehe.. :Þ > > Har har. : ) > > Question is, whose should I choose? For a study in contrasts, I'd suggest first Bruce, and then PZ. Heh heh. ###### From: "William Bliss" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com> <3A613A5C.FC9F72A6@televar.com> Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... 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X-Complaints-To: abuse@telocity.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:07:12 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:01:59 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!newsrump.sjc.telocity.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:61181 "dorothy" wrote in message news:3A613A5C.FC9F72A6@televar.com... > Trish wrote: > > > > Craig Shillington wrote in message <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com>... > > > > > > > > >Hi Trish, > > >> > > >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... > > >> > > > >> >Trish wrote in message > > >> >news:CfF66.488$nh6.59425@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > >> >> > > >> >> The Original Ken wrote in message ... > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Earl of the RPST wrote in message > > >> >> >news:zIj66.2119$xo3.531730@homer.alpha.net... > > >> >> >> Hiya Group! > > >> >> >> A funny thing happened to me on my way to waking up this morning! > > >> >> >> (hehehehe) Anyway... > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I was quite busy clearing dead and mangled bodies out of a kind of > > >> >> >carousel, > > >> >> >> from amongst the living ones going around... when I was presented > > with > > >> >a > > >> >> >> sentence to read in front of me. (Happens quite a bit.) So, of > > >> >course > > >> >> I > > >> >> >> read it. But then, a voice told me to read the sentence once more, > > >> >> >please. > > >> >> >> (Has never happened.) So, I did thusly. And... was quite > > surprised > > >> to > > >> >> >see > > >> >> >> that when I read it a second time... that many of the words had > > >> >> completely > > >> >> >> changed. Of course it's commonly held knowledge here, that the > > >> written > > >> >> >word > > >> >> >> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get right! Right? > > So, > > >> I > > >> >> >> stood there puzzled about the words changing before my eyes, when > > one > > >> >of > > >> >> >> those flashes of *insight* came over me...and I immediately > > understood > > >> >> the > > >> >> >> problem then, of reading things while OOB. Quite simple, actually. > > >> It > > >> >> is > > >> >> >> known that the side of the brain which handles and interprets > > visual > > >> >data > > >> >> >> (and I can't recall just now if that's the left, or right.), is not > > >> the > > >> >> >side > > >> >> >> which interprets language. They are seperate, and only exchange > > >> >> >information > > >> >> >> to each other from left to right side. This has been proven with > > >> >> >> experiments on a gentleman who's had his brain halves severed to > > >> reduce > > >> >> >his > > >> >> >> seizures. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Anyway.... it occurred to me that most likely when we are OOB or in > > a > > >> >> >dream > > >> >> >> state, we are only using the visual side of the brain and do not > > have > > >> >> >access > > >> >> >> to the language side. Hence...visual imagery is very strong...and > > >> >> >> communication is often done without the spoken word. It is a world > > of > > >> >> >> emotion, and visions. So,... when we're confronted with something > > >> >> >> written... we more or less interpret those letters as a funny kind > > of > > >> >> >> *picture* of lines (visual) rather than letters which represent a > > >> >> >particular > > >> >> >> meaning to us. Upon conversion of our experience to our > > >> consciousness, > > >> >> >the > > >> >> >> language side of the brain is presented with a *picture* rather > > than > > >> >> >> words...and the mind is forced to IDENTIFY its' meaning. Which of > > >> >> course, > > >> >> >> it can never get quite right... and can only make a guess at. And > > it > > >> >> >> does...whether it makes sense to the fully conscious mind, or not. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> (I have probably not stated this very clearly... but I'm in a > > hurry, > > >> >and > > >> >> >> late for work! Aaarrgghh! I could take another stab at what I > > mean > > >> >> >> later...if ya'll desire.) > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> B.D. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >You might be on to something here B.D. Another thing to think about > > is > > >> >> that > > >> >> >normal vision of course begins with the eyes, then the visual cortex > > >> >before > > >> >> >going on to the parts of the brain that process this information, but > > >> >> vision > > >> >> >while OBE or dreaming does not begin with the eyes, so images of what > > >> you > > >> >> >are reading while OBE must certainly take a somewhat different > > pathway > > >> >> >through the brain. > > >> >> > > > >> >> >Ken > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Yes, he could be onto something. But I wonder. In some OBEs I can > > read > > >> >> quite clearly .. most of them actually. There are a few that I can't. > > >> > > > >> >I remember reading a road sign that was in the back of a pickup truck > > going > > >> >down the road. The numbers on the fence at the ski lift (although I > > >> >couldn't remeber them when I got back.). Seem I can read too, but there > > >> >have been times when I couldn't. Curious thing indeed. > > >> > > >> You know, Bruce and I were discussing this, and I noticed that the things > > >> that I *could* read were simple ones .. such as you mentioned .. road > > signs, > > >> or other types of signs. I can't rightfully say I can read and recall a > > >> letter or anything like that. > > > > > >Hmmmmmm, maybe it's more because of the symbolism involved .... we are > > >more seeing than reading. We just *understand* the meaning of the > > >symbolism and think nothing of it, yet when we need to *read* > > >something ... well .......... > > > > > >Craig > > > > Could be Craig. We may be translating the image into some type of > > psychological signpost or something. > > A number of years ago, I had a dream where I saw some sort of Native > American pictographs - more like hieroglyphics, really. Anyway, I was > able to translate them into English and came up with a pretty cool > little poem (Man, he comes to see the sun, Man, he comes, the day is > done... etc.) Went on for a couple of verses. I wrote it all down when I > woke up. Hi dorothy, Translating poetry is cool! Or maybe this was easy because you were the original hieroglyphic author. :) Once in hypnogogia, I learned an entire song, naughty words and swedish accent and all. The setting was about a man who had been away from his wife for a little too long. He was in the act of phoning her to announce his return. The words of the song was his side of the conversation wherein he detailed his amorous intentions and wishes. ;-) The song was way too clever for my little subconscious. Wm ###### Message-ID: <3A620BC2.B817EC2@televar.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:27:46 -0800 From: dorothy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hypnopompic Revelation... References: <3A5E4EC3.755D1906@ozemu.com> <3A613A5C.FC9F72A6@televar.com> <3ak86.550$Br5.171698@homer.alpha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1014.bossig.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: sanduser1014.bossig.com X-Trace: 14 Jan 2001 14:11:12 -0600, sanduser1014.bossig.com Lines: 49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsnerds.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news-out.newsnerds.com!sanduser1014.bossig.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:61137 Earl of the RPST wrote: > > dorothy wrote in message <3A613A5C.FC9F72A6@televar.com>... [snip] > >A number of years ago, I had a dream where I saw some sort of Native > >American pictographs - more like hieroglyphics, really. Anyway, I was > >able to translate them into English and came up with a pretty cool > >little poem (Man, he comes to see the sun, Man, he comes, the day is > >done... etc.) Went on for a couple of verses. I wrote it all down when I > >woke up. > > Hi Dot! Do me a favor? I would like to read this entire poem, please? You > may PEM me with it, if you'd like. Of course, I relate heavily to the > original Native Americans... and, it *might* make a nice song, sometime? > thank-you! > > Bruce David Sure Bruce, with the proviso that if you ever get it recorded, you have to send me a copy. :-) Turns out that that my memory of the poem was a little different, and I only wrote down 4 lines, the rest of it escaping my memory after I woke up. "The boy, I come to see the sun The boy I come to see is done The man I come to see the sun The man I come to all is done." In my journal, I describe it as a song, so even though it isn't much to work with, please feel free to adapt/add. Something else I recalled in the journal was that there was evidently something very hilarious about the song. (Knowing you, I'm sure you won't leave out the humor...) Also from my journal: "I don't remember some of it. The boy/man was pictured on a horse, all the pictures looking like 'Indian' words." I got the title of the song too, which was "The Return of the Pink Salamander." The whole dream was about this "man of shame" and it wasn't until the end of the dream that I realized it was about the white race. The song was a pretty small part of the whole dream. (This is back in the days before I had 3 kids in the house and I used to dream epics!) Anyway, hope you have fun with it, Bruce. Dorothy