From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Mind/matter manipulation (Was:Re: A very serious question ...) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:21:59 GMT Organization: A.S.I./Psi -App/WCS Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3a69cc2b.360462059@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <92lu9f$4g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <92o5hs$lqf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-204.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60346 On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:39:24 GMT, deamguy@my-deja.com wrote: >BTW, here is an article on me from a newspaper. I went in and >demonstarted the "shape" thing... to their satisfaction, however they >were concerned about the impact it might have on their newspaper, as >well as a fear that it might have a negative impact on the religious >community as being "the mark of the beast", so they report that I cause >red spots to appear and tingling, but *** no shapes *** just ask >yourself though... red spots and tingling? I will say that shapes were >produced, on two people, to their unsuspecting disbelief. I have also >done shown this to a psychologist on when seeing it stood up and asked >me to leave telling me he had no interest or desire to be apart of it. > >Do you blame me for not wanting to go public with it? > >http://www.geocities.com/lucidmetro/herald.htm > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/ I remember the first time I saw your pictures and the shapes on folks foreheads, Ian, and couldn't help but wince a little at the sentence, "the shape remains there to this day.."! :) At the very least, I have to wonder what Dr. Jahns at the Princeton PEAR lab would think. This kind of mind-over-organic material effect is unique, as far as I know, and it still fascinates me. Of course you realize the implications. What are your plans for pursuing this "talent"? Have you been approached by any groups/angencies that wish to explore this further with you? Anyway, I know you blew the minds of folks around here...it's hard to gather one's thoughts over such a phenomenon beyond, "He's GOT to be lying!" :) Cheers Patrick -- Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear http://www.whitecrowsociety.com http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm ###### From: deamguy@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Mind/matter manipulation (Was:Re: A very serious question ...) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 02:04:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 54 Message-ID: <92ook8$3j1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <92lu9f$4g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <92o5hs$lqf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a69cc2b.360462059@cnews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.149.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 01 02:04:57 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.113.149.73 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdeamguy Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60330 > At the very least, I have to wonder what Dr. Jahns at the Princeton > PEAR lab would think. This kind of mind-over-organic material effect > is unique, as far as I know, and it still fascinates me. Of course you > realize the implications. What are your plans for pursuing this > "talent"? Have you been approached by any groups/angencies that wish > to explore this further with you? As a matter of fact, I approached a few people, the newspaper, a couple of psychologists, but please investigate me. There is a nice trail of witnesses and people who have experienced this phenomena that will testify, on top of that, I have no fear of reproducing this effect. however, no e-mails, phone-calls or people knocking on my door so I felt no one was interested or took it seriously. And yes, I know the implications. Once you get past the "is he lying" and understand that I don't lie about this stuff. I could easily have said I have moved spoons, bent forks or made a dog bark. Ask my father who out of the three kids moved a needle with his mind at the age of 5. The reality is, I did do that triangle as I claim, and I still have one on my hand, and I could probably reproduce it, I understand the mechanics of how this is achieved through a controlled process of dream phenomenology... you know already with your experience with precognition that there is a huge potential for thought and reality as being one... there is a very small step for us to pioneer and start to evolve technologies that will allow us greater conscious control over the events in our lives. For us who dream, there is reality. > Anyway, I know you blew the minds of folks around here...it's hard to > gather one's thoughts over such a phenomenon beyond, "He's GOT to be > lying!" :) There is no gain in lying. Besides, check the witnesses... if people investigated there is a lot of people who will verify this aside from my own claim, pictures ect. And I am not into it for fame, or fortune... why else would I publicate a book for free on the net? This is far beyond the scope of "me" and involves "us". Still, very few people aside from those I have proven this too can even begin to fathom the level of experience I have with astral projection, precognition or lucid dreaming. I do it all with love. Maybe you can present this to people interested in learning more or exploring the potential? I seem to have hit a lot of dead ends or fear. If so e-mail me at ianwilson27@hotmail.com or forward them my e-mail address. Cheers, Ian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/