From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:35:19 GMT Organization: A.S.I./Psi -App/WCS Lines: 93 Message-ID: <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-624.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60283 On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 03:56:58 GMT, deamguy@my-deja.com wrote: >Hey Jim, > What the hell, I will throw in my two-bits on this thread. >First of all your stepping into something huge and probably beyond your >scope of rational thinking. Why I say that is for this reason, there >has been labortory proof of psychic phenomena. Sources that you can >research are places like P.E.R.L (Princeton Ergonomic Research >Labortory), Perhaps you refer to the Princeton P.E.A.R. Labs where mind/machine experimentation has been going on for 40 years? Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New Jersey http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html >TMI (The Monroe Insitiute), I'm sure they do good work, however, one only needs to remind oneself who funds the work and to what end do they use those results, for one to take such work with a large grain of salt. > Los Almos Research Labratories, Really? I've not heard of their connection to the parapsychological research community; any links to that work? >I'll have to search it out, but in China there is a large group I just >don't know the name of the centers, but they research and have >documented extensive proof of psychic phenomena. While I have no doubt that China is doing extensive work in the field, I've yet to see any of it show up in the main journals of parapsychology; any links or citations? Here's links to some of the main labs doing research: Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New Jersey http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html Koestler Parapsychology Unit at the University of Edinburgh One of the best-known academic sites, headed by Prof. Robert Morris, in Edinburgh, Scotland http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk/index.html Laboratories for Fundamental Research Run by Dr. Edwin May, former director of the US Government's psi research program called STARGATE. http://www.lfr.org/ Rhine Research Center The legacy laboratory of Duke University's Dr. J. B. Rhine, "father" of parapsychology. http://www.Rhine.org Parapsychology Foundation http://www.parapsychology.org/ In New York City, legacy of famous medium Eileen Garrett Parapsychological Association Affiliate of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, primary international organization of scientists and scholars interested in psi phenomena. http://www.parapsych.org American Society for Psychical Research Founded in 1886, one of the oldest such societies in the world http://www.aspr.com/index.htm > >Now why hasn't Randi given up his 1,000,000? Firstly, his organization >is linked to a goverment backed agency that debunks psychic phenomena, >their agenda is not to have the public aware or accessed to this kind >of potential. I know a lot of parapsychology researchers that would be surprised to hear of this conspiracy; it certainly hasn't stopped them from doing their own projects and sharing them in the various journals of the field. Anyone who wants to read their work need only to visit some of the sites I listed above, or read the various journals of the field. The easiest ESP protocols, the Ganzfeld ESP tests and Remote Viewing, can very simply and effectively be carried out by any interested party with very little expense or effort. I regularly attend "RV parties" where first timers are usually quite amazed at the ease and effectiveness of guessing where in town the "target" is at the given time. Should I expect to see black helicopters buzzing these informal sessions soon? Egads...our secret is out! :) Cheers: Patrick -- Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear http://www.whitecrowsociety.com http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm ###### Message-ID: <3A4ED231.FD6619C5@postoffice.pacbell.net> From: Corey Reply-To: wwcsmith@pacbell.net Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 98 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:29:05 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.218.222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 978244021 206.170.218.222 (Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:27:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:27:01 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60309 For any reasonable person, there is all kinds of evidence out there and this thread is proving it. Haunter wrote: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 03:56:58 GMT, deamguy@my-deja.com wrote: > > >Hey Jim, > > What the hell, I will throw in my two-bits on this thread. > >First of all your stepping into something huge and probably beyond your > >scope of rational thinking. Why I say that is for this reason, there > >has been labortory proof of psychic phenomena. Sources that you can > >research are places like P.E.R.L (Princeton Ergonomic Research > >Labortory), > Perhaps you refer to the Princeton P.E.A.R. Labs where mind/machine > experimentation has been going on for 40 years? > Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory > A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New > Jersey > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html > > >TMI (The Monroe Insitiute), > I'm sure they do good work, however, one only needs to remind oneself > who funds the work and to what end do they use those results, for one > to take such work with a large grain of salt. > > > Los Almos Research Labratories, > Really? I've not heard of their connection to the parapsychological > research community; any links to that work? > >I'll have to search it out, but in China there is a large group I just > >don't know the name of the centers, but they research and have > >documented extensive proof of psychic phenomena. > While I have no doubt that China is doing extensive work in the field, > I've yet to see any of it show up in the main journals of > parapsychology; any links or citations? > > Here's links to some of the main labs doing research: > Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory > A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New > Jersey > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html > > Koestler Parapsychology Unit at the University of Edinburgh > One of the best-known academic sites, headed by Prof. Robert > Morris, in Edinburgh, Scotland > http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk/index.html > > Laboratories for Fundamental Research > Run by Dr. Edwin May, former director of the US Government's psi > research program called STARGATE. > http://www.lfr.org/ > > Rhine Research Center > The legacy laboratory of Duke University's Dr. J. B. Rhine, > "father" of parapsychology. > http://www.Rhine.org > > Parapsychology Foundation > http://www.parapsychology.org/ > > In New York City, legacy of famous medium Eileen Garrett > Parapsychological Association > Affiliate of the American Association for the Advancement of > Science, primary international organization of scientists and scholars > interested in psi phenomena. > http://www.parapsych.org > > American Society for Psychical Research > Founded in 1886, one of the oldest such societies in the world > http://www.aspr.com/index.htm > > > > >Now why hasn't Randi given up his 1,000,000? Firstly, his organization > >is linked to a goverment backed agency that debunks psychic phenomena, > >their agenda is not to have the public aware or accessed to this kind > >of potential. > I know a lot of parapsychology researchers that would be surprised to > hear of this conspiracy; it certainly hasn't stopped them from doing > their own projects and sharing them in the various journals of the > field. Anyone who wants to read their work need only to visit some of > the sites I listed above, or read the various journals of the field. > The easiest ESP protocols, the Ganzfeld ESP tests and Remote Viewing, > can very simply and effectively be carried out by any interested party > with very little expense or effort. I regularly attend "RV parties" > where first timers are usually quite amazed at the ease and > effectiveness of guessing where in town the "target" is at the given > time. Should I expect to see black helicopters buzzing these informal > sessions soon? Egads...our secret is out! :) > > Cheers: > Patrick > > -- > Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear > http://www.whitecrowsociety.com > http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm > http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm ###### From: "Jim Fisher" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:42:27 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 52 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60308 Man! Ask and ye shall receive! I've created a folder called paranormal in my "favorites" in Internet Explorer. Looking forward to spending some time there. Thanks for taking the time! Jim "Haunter" wrote in message news:3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com... > A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New > Jersey > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html Laboratory > A prominent psi research laboratory at Princeton University, New > Jersey > http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html > > > Koestler Parapsychology Unit at the University of Edinburgh > One of the best-known academic sites, headed by Prof. Robert > Morris, in Edinburgh, Scotland > http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk/index.html > > Laboratories for Fundamental Research > Run by Dr. Edwin May, former director of the US Government's psi > research program called STARGATE. > http://www.lfr.org/ > > Rhine Research Center > The legacy laboratory of Duke University's Dr. J. B. Rhine, > "father" of parapsychology. > http://www.Rhine.org > > Parapsychology Foundation > http://www.parapsychology.org/ > > In New York City, legacy of famous medium Eileen Garrett > Parapsychological Association > Affiliate of the American Association for the Advancement of > Science, primary international organization of scientists and scholars > interested in psi phenomena. > http://www.parapsych.org > > American Society for Psychical Research > Founded in 1886, one of the oldest such societies in the world > http://www.aspr.com/index.htm > ###### From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:32:52 GMT Organization: A.S.I./Psi -App/WCS Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3a656d85.336227500@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-492.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60302 On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:42:27 -0600, "Jim Fisher" wrote: >Man! Ask and ye shall receive! > >I've created a folder called paranormal in my "favorites" in Internet >Explorer. Looking forward to spending some time there. > >Thanks for taking the time! > >Jim > My pleasure Patrick -- Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear http://www.whitecrowsociety.com http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm ###### From: deamguy@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:51:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <92lsdp$35m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.149.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Dec 30 23:51:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.113.149.73 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdeamguy Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60295 Hey Patrick, Thanks for all the links, I lost my bookmarks when I reformatted my hard-drive so need to get a good list of online resources again, these deffinately help. As for China, they keep a very tight lid on their types of research, Paul Dong author of "China's Super Psychics" is a good publication on the kinds of work they are into, they have their own publications on it but again it's so tight lid that no real public channels such as webpages, or global publications on it. I personally feel that China's movement in this area is a lot more massive then the US. How are the dreams coming along? Have you had much success with precognition lately? Cheers, Ian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ###### From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:48:38 GMT Organization: A.S.I./Psi -App/WCS Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3a6180cb.275616818@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> <92lsdp$35m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-198.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60303 Hi Ian: On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:51:21 GMT, deamguy@my-deja.com wrote: >Hey Patrick, > Thanks for all the links, I lost my bookmarks when I >reformatted my hard-drive so need to get a good list of online >resources again, these definately help. Sure thing, glad to help. > >As for China, they keep a very tight lid on their types of research, >Paul Dong author of "China's Super Psychics" is a good publication on >the kinds of work they are into, they have their own publications on it >but again it's so tight lid that no real public channels such as >webpages, or global publications on it. I personally feel that China's >movement in this area is a lot more massive then the US. I've no doubt about it..just wish I had a CONTACT over there! :) The only piece of solid anecdote I've heard lately is that their own PEAR-type, mind/machine program is WAY more advanced than ours. I got a travel/attendance grant to attend this year's Parapsychology Assoc. annual meeting in NYC this year and you can be sure I'll be asking a lot of questions on this. I'll see if I can find a copy of that book; maybe someone at the WCS can help me out there, thanks. > >How are the dreams coming along? Have you had much success with >precognition lately? For the last month, I've been so caught up in business matters, I don't have the time in the morning to review my dreams, sadly. It's nice making bigbucks, but I do wish I had more time. > >Cheers, > Ian backatcha! :) > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/ -- Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear http://www.whitecrowsociety.com http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm ###### From: deamguy@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:50:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <92m3cb$8aa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> <92lsdp$35m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a6180cb.275616818@cnews.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.113.149.73 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 31 01:50:04 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.113.149.73 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdeamguy Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60294 > >How are the dreams coming along? Have you had much success with > >precognition lately? > For the last month, I've been so caught up in business matters, I > don't have the time in the morning to review my dreams, sadly. It's > nice making bigbucks, but I do wish I had more time. That's good news, what's your business? I am still plugging along at the speed of thought, not making big bucks, but then not motivated in that direction to do so. However, I have had some very powerful moments of precognition, and some experiences of deja vu that has lasted up to 6 hours straight in on instance. I was teaching a course on dreams for two years solid, writing a second book and developing skills. It's all good. Cheers, Ian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ###### From: Patrick Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Psi stuff OT (Was...Re: A very serious question ..) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:48:36 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3A4E9E84.A22AEFE6@castles.com> References: <92jme8$hrn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a56279b.252780888@cnews.newsguy.com> <92lsdp$35m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3a6180cb.275616818@cnews.newsguy.com> <92m3cb$8aa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-348.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60291 deamguy@my-deja.com wrote: > > > >How are the dreams coming along? Have you had much success with > > >precognition lately? > > For the last month, I've been so caught up in business matters, I > > don't have the time in the morning to review my dreams, sadly. It's > > nice making bigbucks, but I do wish I had more time. > > That's good news, what's your business? I am still plugging along at > the speed of thought, not making big bucks, but then not motivated in > that direction to do so. However, I have had some very powerful > moments of precognition, and some experiences of deja vu that has > lasted up to 6 hours straight in on instance. I was teaching a course > on dreams for two years solid, writing a second book and developing > skills. It's all good. > > Cheers, > Ian > You had a deja vu that lasted SIX hours?! Wow, that's bizarre, the few I've had only last a minute at most. That's gotta be pretty damned disorienting. I've still got your course on consciousness on disk. Excellent work. Don't be shy about posting a link to your book if you've got one. When I get some time, I'll be sure to get it -and- Janice&Jay's. I'm still plugging away at writing short stories when the muse hits but I fear I'm getting to that point where all those unwritten books I've had stored away in my head are depleted and now it becomes work..I HATE when that happens :) Cheers backatcha