From: "Euno" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Holy Smoke Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:51:46 -0600 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: shv4-188.shreve.net Message-ID: <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> X-Trace: 14 Dec 2000 06:57:42 -0600, shv4-188.shreve.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.shreve.net!shv4-188.shreve.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59609 I don't know how to begin. Let me start at the end and then digress. I did see lights. Just as I was losing consciousness, I noticed these (two I think) lights shining off in the distance. They were not pointing at me and I started to imagine that they were a car or something. But then they eventually came to point directly into my eyes and it was so intense that it hurt. I realized then that they were not car headlights but they were coming closer. I woke up. I am not sure that this is due to your method though. Earlier I had looked for the light and wasn't sure if I had seen it. I was saying 'O.K. there you are!' to every little fleck. This was about an hour or more before the episode. After I could not get to sleep I started doing something sort of similar to yoga but involving the prostate. I want go into it unless the group wants to hear it but something extraordinary happened with the exercise. I bought this book by Gopi Krishna about Kundalini. He had unwittingly opened his Kundalini through meditation. He had the same experience with intense lights and had an OOBE immediately following. Well he had opened the wrong channel and almost died until some divine intervention (if you will) told him how to resolve it. At the end of the book he was talking about some organ in men, associated with sexual function, that was a major factor in opening Kundalini. This was done by yogis through exercises designed to strengthen and invigorate it. I think that he was referring to the prostate. So my question to Bart is, "how intense are the lights that you are looking for?" if they are bright enough to hurt then this I'm in the clear; if they are dull then I may be in trouble. I can still feel the pain when I think back on the experience. I am not ready to awaken Kundalini. I am ill prepared and lacking in knowledge. I guess I'll no within a couple of days after a few sessions of sleep. If it is my Kund. wakening, then I probably will not be able to avoid it. Thanks for listening. Wade. ###### Message-ID: <3A3BF068.5B0CFD77@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:44:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.199.88 X-Trace: firenze 977007213 209.8.199.88 (Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:53:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:53:33 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsxfer.visi.net!206.246.194.3.MISMATCH!firenze!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59803 Euno wrote: > > I don't know how to begin. Let me start at the end and then digress. I did > see lights. Just as I was losing consciousness, I noticed these (two I > think) lights shining off in the distance. They were not pointing at me and > I started to imagine that they were a car or something. But then they > eventually came to point directly into my eyes and it was so intense that it > hurt. I realized then that they were not car headlights but they were > coming closer. I woke up. > I am not sure that this is due to your method though. Earlier I had looked > for the light and wasn't sure if I had seen it. I was saying 'O.K. there > you are!' to every little fleck. This was about an hour or more before the > episode. > After I could not get to sleep I started doing something sort of similar to > yoga but involving the prostate. I want go into it unless the group wants > to hear it but something extraordinary happened with the exercise. > I bought this book by Gopi Krishna about Kundalini. He had unwittingly > opened his Kundalini through meditation. He had the same experience with > intense lights and had an OOBE immediately following. Well he had opened > the wrong channel and almost died until some divine intervention (if you > will) told him how to resolve it. > At the end of the book he was talking about some organ in men, associated > with sexual function, that was a major factor in opening Kundalini. This > was done by yogis through exercises designed to strengthen and invigorate > it. I think that he was referring to the prostate. > So my question to Bart is, "how intense are the lights that you are looking > for?" if they are bright enough to hurt then this I'm in the clear; if they > are dull then I may be in trouble. I can still feel the pain when I think > back on the experience. I am not ready to awaken Kundalini. I am ill > prepared and lacking in knowledge. I guess I'll no within a couple of days > after a few sessions of sleep. If it is my Kund. wakening, then I probably > will not be able to avoid it. > Thanks for listening. > Wade. Wow, that sounds like a rather intense experience. I've heard alot about Kundalni, don't know too much about it though. STill I wouldn't think that this experience is really anything to fear. -- "I'm willing to J.O.B., just not on no jagg-off shoe-shine tip" "Jagg-off shoe-shine tip?" "No *background-checking* jagg-off shoe-shine tip" ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 108 Message-ID: <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.79.db X-Server-Date: 19 Dec 2000 07:22:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59880 Oh... I just happened on your post. It caught me at an evening when I was reading much here. I don't usually do that any more. I've been a little concerned that I could miss something - but not "too" concerned :-) I almost missed this because it wasn't under the same title as my original post. Euno wrote in message <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net>... >I don't know how to begin. Let me start at the end and then digress. I did >see lights. Just as I was losing consciousness, I noticed these (two I >think) lights shining off in the distance. They were not pointing at me and >I started to imagine that they were a car or something. But then they >eventually came to point directly into my eyes and it was so intense that it >hurt. I realized then that they were not car headlights but they were >coming closer. I woke up. Sounds like something happening to me. I've seen car headlight type things using this method. Also train lights, lighthouse beams, and strobe lights - to mention a few. >I am not sure that this is due to your method though. Earlier I had looked >for the light and wasn't sure if I had seen it. I was saying 'O.K. there >you are!' to every little fleck. I would recommend this - but an hour is a very long time - unless you were a bit wound up. >After I could not get to sleep I started doing something sort of similar to >yoga but involving the prostate. Don't do that. >I want go into it unless the group wants >to hear it but something extraordinary happened with the exercise. >I bought this book by Gopi Krishna about Kundalini. He had unwittingly >opened his Kundalini through meditation. He had the same experience with >intense lights and had an OOBE immediately following. Well he had opened >the wrong channel and almost died until some divine intervention (if you >will) told him how to resolve it. >At the end of the book he was talking about some organ in men, associated >with sexual function, that was a major factor in opening Kundalini. This >was done by yogis through exercises designed to strengthen and invigorate >it. I think that he was referring to the prostate. You do what you want, but I don't personally recommend messing around with kundalini. You are correct that the kundalini is said to be coiled up in the sexual center and that it can be released to travel up the spine to produce a greater psychic experience. But it is also said that it is not easy to deal with and can result in some serious mental or physical problems. >So my question to Bart is, "how intense are the lights that you are looking >for?" if they are bright enough to hurt then this I'm in the clear; if they >are dull then I may be in trouble. The light I mention is bright - but it can be very small at times - not much bigger than this period ->"." I would recommend that you do exactly as you were doing - but keep your attention up in your head. Leave kundalini alone. >I can still feel the pain when I think >back on the experience. Keep in mind that early shifts in consciousness can be painfull. The vibrations can make it feel like you are being ripped away from your spine. Not very pleasant. But kundalini can affect your personality and cause disruptions in your life. >I am not ready to awaken Kundalini. Then stay away from that type of meditation. Keep your attention above your shoulders. >I am ill >prepared and lacking in knowledge. In my original post I said that this was sort of an "advanced" method. I didn't realize that some folks would have such intense experiences with it. Perhaps I should have thought a little more... I thought I was being helpfull - but perhaps I was being irresponsible. >I guess I'll no within a couple of days >after a few sessions of sleep. If it is my Kund. wakening, then I probably >will not be able to avoid it. >Thanks for listening. >Wade. If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good deal of time in an ashram as a chela. Bart ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:29:19 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-RZTt8MGpYI8n4o6Omnn2xZEO87Aa2pHClAD/So7w4NnYg7nGMYrPWCJI/mfkkK7IalK7AZp0eHBOdrJ!cS4RfNvpWMR1o3kJh+iR++3IMFA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:29:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59896 On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal >ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >deal of time in an ashram as a chela. Or institutionalized. I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to call it, it's no fun at all. :( -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: baron.mark@mayo.NOSPAM.edu (Mark Baron) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:40:25 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: baron.mayo.edu X-Trace: tribune.mayo.edu 977319624 15118 129.176.218.141 (20 Dec 2000 13:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mayo.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 2000 13:40:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59890 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:46:17 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Bart wrote: >> [snip] >> If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >> contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal >> ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >> trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >> CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >> a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >> through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >> includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >> deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >> >> Bart > > >IMO opinion Bart has hit it right on the head. Kundalini is not >something to trifle with. Regardless of the interpretation of the >mystical, physiological, neurological or psychological mechanisms >involved, the premature 'awakening' of kundalini can be disturbing, to >say the least. Best to stay rooted in the 'here and now' and don't >pursue something you admit you're not ready for. > >Tien Yen Have you or Bart had personal experience with kundalini? What does this do? -Mark ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:54:00 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.240.195 X-Trace: news2.atl 977324304 216.78.240.195 (Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:58:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:58:24 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59893 Janice wrote in message <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com>... :On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" :wrote: : : :>If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social :>contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal :>ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been :>trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who :>CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in :>a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current :>through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that :>includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good :>deal of time in an ashram as a chela. : :Or institutionalized. : :I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible :state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your :nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from :your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that :what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to :call it, it's no fun at all. :( : And what would you say are the neurological reasons for this Janice? Do you believe that your mind can make your neurons and such react in this way and if so, then do you believe it can also do the same in the opposite as far as healing parts of your physical body and such? ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a416aa1.671323@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:41:30 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ntIi3z3JCztXtefL3jFni+5RQcw8JLSIw+95q8hVVLePiotSxPbSmlexVA27ruz9cBm0rZCxrIsGVZc!z0+6Cv/woeMIlnbx69rOOldgdRA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:41:30 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!news-out.usenetserver.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59924 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:54:00 -0500, "lorz" wrote: > >Janice wrote in message <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com>... >:On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" >:wrote: >: >: >:>If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >:>contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) >Kundal >:>ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >:>trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >:>CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger >in >:>a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >:>through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >:>includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a >good >:>deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >: >:Or institutionalized. >: >:I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible >:state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your >:nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from >:your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that >:what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to >:call it, it's no fun at all. :( >: > >And what would you say are the neurological reasons for this Janice? I don't know enough about neurology to say definitively, but I speculate about a possible neurological explanation in the last chapter of my book. Look up "kundalini" in the index. > Do you >believe that your mind can make your neurons and such react in this way With a little help from extreme stress (in my case, barely eating or sleeping for several days straight while doing nothing but wringing out a torturous introspective essay and experiencing grief relating to the death of a close relative). > and >if so, then do you believe it can also do the same in the opposite as far as >healing parts of your physical body and such? I believe that your mental state can affect your health. http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: "Adam Krawczyk" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:12:30 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31-max40.syd.ihug.com.au X-Trace: bugstomper.ihug.com.au 977379323 1278 203.173.147.95 (21 Dec 2000 06:15:23 GMT) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59945 After reading about kundelini here i went and read about it more on the web. I read that your kundalini awakens naturaly after many lives of experience, but a premature awakening can cause bad affects becasue your body and mind are not ready yet for the power.Also once your kundalini has awakened nothing can stop it. My question is, if a kundalini awakens prematurly and you indeed experience bad effects for the rest of your life, what about after it? Is it still awake in the astral? Is your next life going to be in suffering becasue you still arnt ready for the kundelini power? Adam ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> <3a416aa1.671323@news.starlinx.com> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Lines: 65 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:18:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.241.100 X-Trace: news1.atl 977408587 216.78.241.100 (Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:23:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:23:07 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59914 Janice wrote in message <3a416aa1.671323@news.starlinx.com>... :On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:54:00 -0500, "lorz" wrote: : :> :>Janice wrote in message <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com>... :>:On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" :>:wrote: :>: :>: :>:>If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social :>:>contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) :>Kundal :>:>ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been :>:>trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who :>:>CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger :>in :>:>a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current :>:>through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that :>:>includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a :>good :>:>deal of time in an ashram as a chela. :>: :>:Or institutionalized. :>: :>:I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible :>:state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your :>:nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from :>:your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that :>:what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to :>:call it, it's no fun at all. :( :>: :> :>And what would you say are the neurological reasons for this Janice? : :I don't know enough about neurology to say definitively, but I :speculate about a possible neurological explanation in the last :chapter of my book. Look up "kundalini" in the index. OK :> Do you :>believe that your mind can make your neurons and such react in this way : :With a little help from extreme stress (in my case, barely eating or :sleeping for several days straight while doing nothing but wringing :out a torturous introspective essay and experiencing grief relating to :the death of a close relative). : :> and :>if so, then do you believe it can also do the same in the opposite as far as :>healing parts of your physical body and such? : :I believe that your mental state can affect your health. Now that's a broad answer. Including healing? ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:38:36 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-pA9InnIoCtk73Oon1QcFfTLGpH9/8NixjJ2BQ3wLzKkb3yqGGruY8QXv+CO5MlA7TWo9ggwHu5T3l37!7Y4BhqikIuZ8FtIC0xSmdiGnZUU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:38:37 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59932 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:12:30 +1100, "Adam Krawczyk" wrote: >After reading about kundelini here i went and read about it more on the web. >I read that your kundalini awakens naturaly after many lives of experience, >but a premature awakening can cause bad affects becasue your body and mind >are not ready yet for the power.Also once your kundalini has awakened >nothing can stop it. My question is, if a kundalini awakens prematurly and >you indeed experience bad effects for the rest of your life, what about >after it? Is it still awake in the astral? Is your next life going to be in >suffering becasue you still arnt ready for the kundelini power? Well, if what I had was indeed the same thing people are calling kundalini, it did stop. It just took 9 months of severe anxiety and depression while the sensations of energy running up and down my spine and of my nervous system burning gradually lessened. http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a42e92a.2699535@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> <3a416aa1.671323@news.starlinx.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:44:35 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-WFSsYPXrzR9MT/xJnIgtYR9BkjAsWDNogF7qnKqLz3hlw4FXKPXovqIMVZuMRXtL+Dj3pJmrzZslgl6!5Vbfz+zPA3uu/FFPl8OoctWJicU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:44:36 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59934 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:18:34 -0500, "lorz" wrote: > >Janice wrote in message <3a416aa1.671323@news.starlinx.com>... >:On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:54:00 -0500, "lorz" wrote: >:> Do you >:>believe that your mind can make your neurons and such react in this way >: >:With a little help from extreme stress (in my case, barely eating or >:sleeping for several days straight while doing nothing but wringing >:out a torturous introspective essay and experiencing grief relating to >:the death of a close relative). >: >:> and >:>if so, then do you believe it can also do the same in the opposite as far >as >:>healing parts of your physical body and such? >: >:I believe that your mental state can affect your health. > >Now that's a broad answer. Including healing? If you mean magical cures, I'm not convinced of that by any means, no. Even if it were somehow possible, how would you know what you were doing, so that you didn't just make things worse? (I can remember one time concentrating on a wart to try to make it go away, since I'd heard that suggestion might help, and the spot ended up burning painfully so I had to break off the "treatment" quickly!) I have some comments about the mind and healing in the chapter on uses of lucidity. http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a42eac3.3109252@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:47:06 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-dXOOiH/UQSyklBz2dgkftPQ65uVLkXT4ma9suEe3quXQlkZoZ3iB8jmmGAaA3UYa/oUBdVtHrIOa+Ig!juetyzThxiSjxXuOiznK3SujS6U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:47:06 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59938 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:33:43 -0600, Mark Baron wrote: >in article 3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews, Mark Baron at >baron.mark@mayo.NOSPAM.edu wrote on 12/20/00 7:40 AM: > >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:46:17 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >> >>> Bart wrote: >>>> >> >> [snip] >> >>>> If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >>>> contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal >>>> ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >>>> trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >>>> CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >>>> a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >>>> through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >>>> includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >>>> deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >>>> >>>> Bart >>> >>> >>> IMO opinion Bart has hit it right on the head. Kundalini is not >>> something to trifle with. Regardless of the interpretation of the >>> mystical, physiological, neurological or psychological mechanisms >>> involved, the premature 'awakening' of kundalini can be disturbing, to >>> say the least. Best to stay rooted in the 'here and now' and don't >>> pursue something you admit you're not ready for. >>> >>> Tien Yen >> >> Have you or Bart had personal experience with kundalini? What does >> this do? >> >> -Mark >> > >Oh. I'm sorry. I'll try a different approach. > >Kundalini! Pfffft! Another woo-woo myth. I can't believe people believe this >tripe. There is no scientific evidence that such a thing has ever existed. >Reality check: there is no astral snake curled around your bung hole. >Woo-woo nonsense. Interestingly, Dale Graff, the Project Stargate guy, mentioned at the ASD conference this year that when he started having what he now thinks are "kundalin" episodes, he had himself checked out with an EEG. It showed nothing out of the ordinary in his brain waves at all. -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: "Euno" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:07:21 -0600 Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: shv6-196.shreve.net Message-ID: <3a42f10c$1_2@news.shreve.net> X-Trace: 22 Dec 2000 00:13:32 -0600, shv6-196.shreve.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.shreve.net!shv6-196.shreve.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59918 Thank you for your most sobering treatise on the subject. Now I 'truly' do feel enlightnened. ###### From: "William Bliss" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3yP06.40168$ja.7146604@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net> X-Trace: NzfgTq9BdXRoVXNlciCURUxPg0mUWS1SRUGERZJT4DY0LvM07jIzOC7yMjUgIEZyaSzgMjIgRGVj!IDIwMPAgMTM68Tf6NTEgUFNU X-Abuse-Info: Please forward ALL headers when reporting abuse. X-Complaints-To: abuse@telocity.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:17:51 PST Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:12:32 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!newsrump.sjc.telocity.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60009 "Tien Yen" wrote in message news:3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com... > Mark Baron wrote: > > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:46:17 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: > > > > >Bart wrote: > > >> > > > > [snip] > > > > >> If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social > > >> contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal > > >> ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been > > >> trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who > > >> CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in > > >> a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current > > >> through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that > > >> includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good > > >> deal of time in an ashram as a chela. > > >> > > >> Bart > > > > > > > > >IMO opinion Bart has hit it right on the head. Kundalini is not > > >something to trifle with. Regardless of the interpretation of the > > >mystical, physiological, neurological or psychological mechanisms > > >involved, the premature 'awakening' of kundalini can be disturbing, to > > >say the least. Best to stay rooted in the 'here and now' and don't > > >pursue something you admit you're not ready for. > > > > > >Tien Yen > > > > Have you or Bart had personal experience with kundalini? What does > > this do? > > > I have not had a 'complete' kundalini experience; I have had some pretty > amazing experiences while medidtating, though. Feelings of a swirling, > tingling energy stream through the lower back, which occasionally rises > up. Also a rushing sensation of power in the body, centred at the solar > plexus. Generally I can localize them & 'control' them by concentrating > on moving the breath and concsiousness. It hasn't blown the top of my > head off, yet :) > > These surges can be followed by a kind of 'backlash' reaction which > tends towards anxiety & depression. Again, I recognize it as a reaction > to the meditative energy surges & have learned to not fall victim to > them. > > In the 'full blown' kundalini surges I have read about, the authors > really felt their life was in danger (Robert Bruce, for example). Other > descriptions I've come across sound very much like psychotic break with > reality. > > I'm only an expert in what I believe, and I believe this phenomenon can > have seriously unpleasant side-effects, and to be pursued only by people > who are well 'grounded' and who have a strong sense of self, faith and > purpose. Tien, I just wished to register my agreement with your assessment. Although... Mark's statement that "there is no astral snake curled around your bung hole" does give me enormous relief. ;) Just another mistranslation of "Eastern viewpoints" . Wm ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a4437ff.726208@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> <3A43BFD0.4D22DA88@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:36:40 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-VbI6lTA61wYTZiz3fT7Q+ClcK+OPIlYciYCLYzmZT6zCB+azIrGKeZvvL7+6wSIAzR5oBsKw+BY9/rC!Y9mDqvhy/UaubY0NwjlhXVtHqC4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:36:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59987 On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:55:37 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" >> wrote: >> >> >If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >> >contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal >> >ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >> >trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >> >CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >> >a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >> >through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >> >includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >> >deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >> >> Or institutionalized. >> >> I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible >> state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your >> nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from >> your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that >> what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to >> call it, it's no fun at all. :( > >I've never had an experience this extreme, And hopefully you never will. It's ghastly. Especially the part where you helplessly watch your mind disintegrate. Oh, and the part where every emotion you experience is magnified a hundredfold. If you happen to be experiencing pain, guilt, remorse and fear at the time, count on them turning into anguish, despair, self-loathing and stark raving terror. > but it sounds like some of >the accounts I've read. -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a443a3d.1300204@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:48:00 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Hs2LHGwD6gOVGz7Ki/U/aMmSaOe/86tX8enmHawFJIR2tQDQGmqy6mgLy98PNaQktTo5QEYHt6LN9Mp!yc8JANCHz3xB9/F8FeVlUjYl9Gw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:48:00 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59988 On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:22:49 -0600, Mark Baron wrote: >in article 3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com, Janice at not-me@not-here.net >wrote on 12/21/00 11:38 PM: > >> >> Well, if what I had was indeed the same thing people are calling >> kundalini, it did stop. It just took 9 months of severe anxiety and >> depression while the sensations of energy running up and down my spine >> and of my nervous system burning gradually lessened. > >With what you've mentioned here and in other posts I was wondering if you >have you written a draft of an autobiography of your experiences. Of the "kundalini" thing and its aftermath in particular? I think that some letters still exist that I wrote during and not too long after that time period, listing the symptoms and how they evolved, but that's about it. > It sound >like you have been through quite a journey of self-discovery. Well, I discovered that I could drive myself nuts.... :) > One that has >had to pass through several belief systems. I certainly considered ideas from different belief systems. I was desperate enough to try things like healing visualizations and even repairing dream imagery in an attempt to alleviate my depression, but they didn't work at all. In the end I cured it by riding my bike. :) http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a443e0a.2273187@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 88 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:59:38 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-gGbQL0iQWrbr9CH+OtGxDsugVqH6RJmxkNcatd6KiXSdpc7FuBjtavwb93gg9A/D2PbYDAhqDBjcv/X!fqa6hZ1xTpU/M+OXFGoaijYC1yY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:59:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59989 On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:43:26 -0600, Mark Baron wrote: >in article 3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com, Tien Yen at TienYen@Home.com wrote on >12/22/00 2:46 PM: > >> Mark Baron wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:46:17 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >>> >>>> Bart wrote: >>>>> >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >>>>> contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) >>>>> Kundal >>>>> ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >>>>> trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >>>>> CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >>>>> a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >>>>> through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >>>>> includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >>>>> deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >>>>> >>>>> Bart >>>> >>>> >>>> IMO opinion Bart has hit it right on the head. Kundalini is not >>>> something to trifle with. Regardless of the interpretation of the >>>> mystical, physiological, neurological or psychological mechanisms >>>> involved, the premature 'awakening' of kundalini can be disturbing, to >>>> say the least. Best to stay rooted in the 'here and now' and don't >>>> pursue something you admit you're not ready for. >>>> >>>> Tien Yen >>> >>> Have you or Bart had personal experience with kundalini? What does >>> this do? >> >> >> I have not had a 'complete' kundalini experience; I have had some pretty >> amazing experiences while medidtating, though. Feelings of a swirling, >> tingling energy stream through the lower back, which occasionally rises >> up. Also a rushing sensation of power in the body, centred at the solar >> plexus. Generally I can localize them & 'control' them by concentrating >> on moving the breath and concsiousness. It hasn't blown the top of my >> head off, yet :) > >And I'll flog the astral snake that even thinks about trying it. :-O How about flogging the Scottish "magician" who found it entertaining to claim responsibility for what happened to me? > >> >> These surges can be followed by a kind of 'backlash' reaction which >> tends towards anxiety & depression. Again, I recognize it as a reaction >> to the meditative energy surges & have learned to not fall victim to >> them. > >How often and for how long do you meditate? Do you practice different forms >or do you prefer one? > >> >> In the 'full blown' kundalini surges I have read about, the authors >> really felt their life was in danger (Robert Bruce, for example). Other >> descriptions I've come across sound very much like psychotic break with >> reality. Oh, you mean like the part where you hear your own voice, in another emotional state altogether, remonstrating with you? Or the part where you're gritting your teeth so that your screaming remains only inward? >> I'm only an expert in what I believe, and I believe this phenomenon can >> have seriously unpleasant side-effects, and to be pursued only by people >> who are well 'grounded' and who have a strong sense of self, faith and >> purpose. > >I remember seeing a book about a therapists counseling of patients that have >had kundalini experiences. I'm going to have to search amazon.com now. > >> >> Tien Yen > http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: "Euno" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:38:55 -0600 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: shv4-216.shreve.net Message-ID: <3a44904a_2@news.shreve.net> X-Trace: 23 Dec 2000 05:45:14 -0600, shv4-216.shreve.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.shreve.net!shv4-216.shreve.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:59976 > I have not had a 'complete' kundalini experience; I have had some pretty > amazing experiences while medidtating, though. Feelings of a swirling, > tingling energy stream through the lower back, which occasionally rises > up. Also a rushing sensation of power in the body, centred at the solar > plexus. Generally I can localize them & 'control' them by concentrating > on moving the breath and concsiousness. It hasn't blown the top of my > head off, yet :) > > These surges can be followed by a kind of 'backlash' reaction which > tends towards anxiety & depression. Again, I recognize it as a reaction > to the meditative energy surges & have learned to not fall victim to > them. > > In the 'full blown' kundalini surges I have read about, the authors > really felt their life was in danger (Robert Bruce, for example). Other > descriptions I've come across sound very much like psychotic break with > reality. > > I'm only an expert in what I believe, and I believe this phenomenon can > have seriously unpleasant side-effects, and to be pursued only by people > who are well 'grounded' and who have a strong sense of self, faith and > purpose. > > Tien Yen Thanks Tien Ten, The sensations that you describe are exactly like mine except that a few times, when the surge approaches the medulla oblongata(sp?), there is a build up of pressure at the base of the skull like someone trying to pull my head off. Yet, as I focus harder, a thin stream of energy begins pouring into the brain and eventually to full force. I am experiencing slight headaches (could be allergy related) and squirting sensations. I believe that I will stop now before any real damage is caused. ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a466f75.495776@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> <3a443e0a.2273187@news.starlinx.com> <3A451C31.B43FCBDD@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 116 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:59:19 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-DrcW87DJ/jgeria81vED/uimY6ve+TQkO4WTkD5YSZqGPkTaN711ycULk6rYgY0Sw5XOlWp2ZCLr3d5!qUaS8NmksF4a8HLqxWGX4IPyI54a X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:59:21 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.novia.net.MISMATCH!novia!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60068 On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:41:48 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:43:26 -0600, Mark Baron >> wrote: >> >> >in article 3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com, Tien Yen at TienYen@Home.com wrote on >> >12/22/00 2:46 PM: >> > >> >> Mark Baron wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:46:17 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Bart wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> [snip] >> >>> >> >>>>> If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >> >>>>> contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) >> >>>>> Kundal >> >>>>> ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >> >>>>> trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >> >>>>> CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >> >>>>> a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >> >>>>> through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >> >>>>> includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >> >>>>> deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bart >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> IMO opinion Bart has hit it right on the head. Kundalini is not >> >>>> something to trifle with. Regardless of the interpretation of the >> >>>> mystical, physiological, neurological or psychological mechanisms >> >>>> involved, the premature 'awakening' of kundalini can be disturbing, to >> >>>> say the least. Best to stay rooted in the 'here and now' and don't >> >>>> pursue something you admit you're not ready for. >> >>>> >> >>>> Tien Yen >> >>> >> >>> Have you or Bart had personal experience with kundalini? What does >> >>> this do? >> >> >> >> >> >> I have not had a 'complete' kundalini experience; I have had some pretty >> >> amazing experiences while medidtating, though. Feelings of a swirling, >> >> tingling energy stream through the lower back, which occasionally rises >> >> up. Also a rushing sensation of power in the body, centred at the solar >> >> plexus. Generally I can localize them & 'control' them by concentrating >> >> on moving the breath and concsiousness. It hasn't blown the top of my >> >> head off, yet :) >> > >> >And I'll flog the astral snake that even thinks about trying it. :-O >> >> How about flogging the Scottish "magician" who found it entertaining >> to claim responsibility for what happened to me? > >Sounds like he really deserved a flogging - bloody Scots! ;> Sounds to >me like you got a 'lemon' as far as gurus go :) > > > >> >> These surges can be followed by a kind of 'backlash' reaction which >> >> tends towards anxiety & depression. Again, I recognize it as a reaction >> >> to the meditative energy surges & have learned to not fall victim to >> >> them. >> > >> >How often and for how long do you meditate? Do you practice different forms >> >or do you prefer one? >> > >> >> >> >> In the 'full blown' kundalini surges I have read about, the authors >> >> really felt their life was in danger (Robert Bruce, for example). Other >> >> descriptions I've come across sound very much like psychotic break with >> >> reality. >> >> Oh, you mean like the part where you hear your own voice, in another >> emotional state altogether, remonstrating with you? Or the part where >> you're gritting your teeth so that your screaming remains only inward? > >And the single, annoying thought that just keeps repeating itself, >trying to make you worry about something that has happened already and >cannot be changed. In my case, it was something that may or may not have happened long ago, but which certainly couldn't be changed if it did. I had to reconcile with the fact that I'd never know for sure and that it really didn't matter that much. > And the fear that the future holds only failure and >remorse, that you are incapable of making the 'right' decision? Future? What future? :) >beat goes on; sounds like you know what I'm talking about :) The >descriptions in the literature (and those from my own personal >experience) are almost unlimited. I'm glad I hadn't read other people's experiences, since I was so suggestible at the time. >I have found myself (in the past) in situations where these things were >doing a pretty good job of destroying what peace of mind I had. >Obviously, I couldn't go back; I felt I couldn't stay where I was, and >there was no 'path' forward. Luckily for me, I eventually realized that >the only 'cure' required a change in my mindset, an acceptance of things >as they were, and an 'inner strength' that allowed me to continue, along >with (believe it or not!) a healthy dose of skepticism. Definitely helpful. -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a46720b.1158190@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> <3a44904a_2@news.shreve.net> <3A45201A.AF8E1C8D@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:01:44 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-BeQQExQVn3LtYbb6usL6gvRNbC7dbCVZBTly2BSHdJ68ZmQGWs1RxAz/xiwRTEWxWQmL5RfJmhv1g1+!kCmsJ2UXfP9H4TUfju+8BqmtFh0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:01:44 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60070 On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:58:29 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Euno wrote: >> > >> > I have not had a 'complete' kundalini experience; I have had some pretty >> > amazing experiences while medidtating, though. Feelings of a swirling, >> > tingling energy stream through the lower back, which occasionally rises >> > up. Also a rushing sensation of power in the body, centred at the solar >> > plexus. Generally I can localize them & 'control' them by concentrating >> > on moving the breath and concsiousness. It hasn't blown the top of my >> > head off, yet :) >> > >> > These surges can be followed by a kind of 'backlash' reaction which >> > tends towards anxiety & depression. Again, I recognize it as a reaction >> > to the meditative energy surges & have learned to not fall victim to >> > them. >> > >> > In the 'full blown' kundalini surges I have read about, the authors >> > really felt their life was in danger (Robert Bruce, for example). Other >> > descriptions I've come across sound very much like psychotic break with >> > reality. >> > >> > I'm only an expert in what I believe, and I believe this phenomenon can >> > have seriously unpleasant side-effects, and to be pursued only by people >> > who are well 'grounded' and who have a strong sense of self, faith and >> > purpose. >> > >> > Tien Yen >> >> Thanks Tien Ten, >> The sensations that you describe are exactly like mine except that a few >> times, when the surge approaches the medulla oblongata(sp?), there is a >> build up of pressure at the base of the skull like someone trying to pull my >> head off. Yet, as I focus harder, a thin stream of energy begins pouring >> into the brain and eventually to full force. I am experiencing slight >> headaches (could be allergy related) and squirting sensations. I believe >> that I will stop now before any real damage is caused. > > >Glad to hear it :) The stopping, that is. (And, of course, you are >welcome.) > >By your own admission, you are not 'ready' for such an experience. >Don't worry about it, or get too wound up about it. We are, primarily, >beings who exist in the physical 'here and now'. IMO the most important >issue is to make the best of out lives as they are - get grounded; try >to be the best person you can. There is time after that for the more >'esoteric'. > >Good luck in all your pursuits, >Peace of mind, >Tien Yen > >p.s. Don't forget, it can't really 'pull your head off' :) It can >create headaches, though, the same way that tension can create >headaches. Stay away from it a while; if the headaches persist, go see >a doctor and check out allergies & sinuses etc. Oh, God, can it create headaches. I never had a headache in my life until that started, and then I had constant terrible headaches for months and months. They didn't stop until my allergies kicked in. -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a4672b4.1327240@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3a4042d0.1495356@news.starlinx.com> <3A43BFD0.4D22DA88@Home.com> <3a4437ff.726208@news.starlinx.com> <3A4521FD.E22BA8F1@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:03:15 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-SdrYMF5GGrvLYic60y/KxCy0MpqzQy6EMl0wcj+n4LGHWwXcy2U7tpOfLPhvaCDpcrHMA05NIwJ1wf7!/pejAr3INuR8ZJ32EdUh1OV9/+o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:03:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60069 On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:06:33 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:55:37 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >> >> >Janice wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:20:51 -0500, "Bart" >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >If your kundalini wakens, then I recommend you remove yourself from social >> >> >contact and go take a cool bath to keep yourself from burning up :-) Kundal >> >> >ini is an intense experience - but it isn't healthy if you haven't been >> >> >trained. In fact... I'm not sure there are many people in the world who >> >> >CAN properly train you on this. It's like learning to stick your finger in >> >> >a light socket and being able to control the flow of electrical current >> >> >through your body and mind. Your entire nervous system is affected - that >> >> >includes your brain. Leave it alone unless you are willing to spend a good >> >> >deal of time in an ashram as a chela. >> >> >> >> Or institutionalized. >> >> >> >> I will attest that it is definitely possible to get into a horrible >> >> state in which it feels like your head is going to explode, your >> >> nervous system is on fire, and you could shoot lightning bolts from >> >> your fingertips if only you knew how. Some people have told me that >> >> what I experienced was a kundalini eruption. Whatever it you want to >> >> call it, it's no fun at all. :( >> > >> >I've never had an experience this extreme, >> >> And hopefully you never will. It's ghastly. Especially the part >> where you helplessly watch your mind disintegrate. Oh, and the part >> where every emotion you experience is magnified a hundredfold. If you >> happen to be experiencing pain, guilt, remorse and fear at the time, >> count on them turning into anguish, despair, self-loathing and stark >> raving terror. > >Yeah; it never got completely out of hand (touch wood :), but I know the >feeling. I have to admit, there were times I thought the world would be >a better place without me :) And every little thing was reinforcing my >own feelings of regret/guilt/worthlessness :( Bwah. :( >I made a vow that those things would never ruin my life again :) > >I'm still standin' "Yeah, yeah, yeah." :) -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a469422.268623@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com> <3a443a3d.1300204@news.starlinx.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:25:55 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-xMqPnj6jYZyvJqPoriDc6ShVFJjGX3P2nCMxpW4N/yXickSUpAk5z08vq8Hx24bYx9bmaC/WYoX0n3w!UIq2UvxC9QbR2mAwn/tPZ2PjxSY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 00:25:55 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60113 On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:46:46 -0600, Mark Baron wrote: >in article 3a443a3d.1300204@news.starlinx.com, Janice at not-me@not-here.net >wrote on 12/22/00 11:48 PM: > >> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:22:49 -0600, Mark Baron >> wrote: >> >>> in article 3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com, Janice at not-me@not-here.net >>> wrote on 12/21/00 11:38 PM: >>> >>>> >>>> Well, if what I had was indeed the same thing people are calling >>>> kundalini, it did stop. It just took 9 months of severe anxiety and >>>> depression while the sensations of energy running up and down my spine >>>> and of my nervous system burning gradually lessened. >>> >>> With what you've mentioned here and in other posts I was wondering if you >>> have you written a draft of an autobiography of your experiences. >> >> Of the "kundalini" thing and its aftermath in particular? I think >> that some letters still exist that I wrote during and not too long >> after that time period, listing the symptoms and how they evolved, but >> that's about it. > >That and your encounter with the shaman guy. Neither did sound fun to go >through. Yet here you are now all rational and everything. :-) Or so you all think. Muwahahaha! :) -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a46e0ce.350548@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> <3a44904a_2@news.shreve.net> <3A45201A.AF8E1C8D@Home.com> <3a46720b.1158190@news.starlinx.com> <3A46A47C.A9B5959F@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:56:32 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-w2Fa3duHZcb5h2Hag31MDJfdWPGM0wjeoQtgtnWWzWtbp+AA+wQ5NxIgoAMdxTrsUg66HkKb+rblkfr!VFPKYRL6TMVSdpT1ixS0I1yJyho= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 05:56:32 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60137 On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:35:46 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> [...] > >> >Tien Yen >> > >> >p.s. Don't forget, it can't really 'pull your head off' :) It can >> >create headaches, though, the same way that tension can create >> >headaches. Stay away from it a while; if the headaches persist, go see >> >a doctor and check out allergies & sinuses etc. >> >> Oh, God, can it create headaches. I never had a headache in my life >> until that started, and then I had constant terrible headaches for >> months and months. They didn't stop until my allergies kicked in. > > >Yikes! :< And then there were the numb, burning, tingling sensations, and the nightmares about devils and witches and evil clerics ... What's this kundalini thing supposed to be good for again? :) -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a46e1e0.624772@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3a42e83f.2465317@news.starlinx.com> <3a443a3d.1300204@news.starlinx.com> <3a469422.268623@news.starlinx.com> <3A46A536.FA199E78@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:57:31 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-kx6Bnl4TcMe6T1cT7LfAg61U+WkPhfIW2dOQ0qJrmK81pROoridrzeRmbjgMWjpR0km0Qr+yTKcz/ZV!eag0spMqHV3Ct0MGfhb1pYn71Bs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 05:57:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60124 On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:38:51 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:46:46 -0600, Mark Baron >> wrote:[...] > >> >That and your encounter with the shaman guy. Neither did sound fun to go >> >through. Yet here you are now all rational and everything. :-) > >> Or so you all think. Muwahahaha! :) > >Perhaps it is time for the Queen's calming potion? A little Lorena McKennitt seasonal music did the trick. :) -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### From: not-me@not-here.net (Janice) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: <3a48225e.1226856@news.starlinx.com> References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> <3a44904a_2@news.shreve.net> <3A45201A.AF8E1C8D@Home.com> <3a46720b.1158190@news.starlinx.com> <3A46A47C.A9B5959F@Home.com> <3a46e0ce.350548@news.starlinx.com> <3A4767D7.5018D828@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:59:11 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-p2daqNzHQZ600IE7Z2NeVzwpFvGgREAuTmIksF6vkIBpaxko4cgu2c4h5fDl/k3EINVgT8oYV9xK5Nb!jjB+qtqYz69vL9bF+IOYJWh+Axo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:59:11 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60130 On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:29:09 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:35:46 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: >> >> >Janice wrote: >> >> [...] >> > >> >> >Tien Yen >> >> > >> >> >p.s. Don't forget, it can't really 'pull your head off' :) It can >> >> >create headaches, though, the same way that tension can create >> >> >headaches. Stay away from it a while; if the headaches persist, go see >> >> >a doctor and check out allergies & sinuses etc. >> >> >> >> Oh, God, can it create headaches. I never had a headache in my life >> >> until that started, and then I had constant terrible headaches for >> >> months and months. They didn't stop until my allergies kicked in. >> > >> > >> >Yikes! :< Oh, I should mention, I believe the reason the headaches were sustained for so long was basically because I was crying all day long all that time. ;-( >> >> And then there were the numb, burning, tingling sensations, and the >> nightmares about devils and witches and evil clerics ... >> >> What's this kundalini thing supposed to be good for again? :) > >I'm afraid you'll have to find someone a little more mystical than me to >answer that one :) > >BTW - after regaining your balance, did you ever go back to find out any >more about Kundalini? I never tried to find any books about it. Jay did happen to have a copy of some lucid dreamer's book that described his own "kundalini" experience, but other than that I've only asked around casually amongst people who are interested in that sort of thing. What I would *really* like to find is a description of a medical condition that features the basic symptomatology. -- http://sites.netscape.net/jayavogelsong ###### X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.22.0 From: John Fitzsimons Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <91s75r$17u$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:06:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.5.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@optushome.com.au X-Trace: news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au 978001592 203.164.5.232 (Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:06:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:06:32 EST Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newshub1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au!news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60206 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:12:30 +1100, "Adam Krawczyk" wrote: >After reading about kundelini here i went and read about it more on the web. >I read that your kundalini awakens naturaly after many lives of experience, >but a premature awakening can cause bad affects becasue your body and mind >are not ready yet for the power.Also once your kundalini has awakened >nothing can stop it. That isn't totally true. That is much the same as suggesting that someone with an addiction will never be able to stop it. Such things can be overcome BUT it can sometimes take a lot of time/effort. > My question is, if a kundalini awakens prematurly and >you indeed experience bad effects for the rest of your life, what about >after it? Is it still awake in the astral? To some degree many of your physical/non physical problems in life carry on after the death of the physical form. The dissipation of the etheric "baggage", and healing in the spirit world, however can do a lot to remedy things. Sometimes however a future "physical" life can be arranged that is so "physically" orientated that it helps one to regain a degree of "balance". >Is your next life going to be in >suffering becasue you still arnt ready for the kundelini power? >Adam It depends on whether one learns from the experience. Some people repeat/continue the same mistakes/unwise choices life after life. Some don't. Some go the opposite way. Some people who misuse psychic abilities in one life for example may end up very anti-psychic in a subsequent one. Just like a reformed drinker may be strongly anti-drinking. Regards, John. -- **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:633/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.22.0 From: John Fitzsimons Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Message-ID: References: <9176ca$m1b$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <3a38c3c6_2@news.shreve.net> <91n2bq$vhh$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <3A401D91.BA9C9236@Home.com> <3a40b64d.171794605@mayonews> <3A43BD91.1D0630F1@Home.com> <3a44904a_2@news.shreve.net> <3A45201A.AF8E1C8D@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:07:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.5.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@optushome.com.au X-Trace: news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au 978001653 203.164.5.232 (Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:07:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:07:33 EST Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!newshub1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au!news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:60207 On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:58:29 GMT, Tien Yen wrote: < snip > >p.s. Don't forget, it can't really 'pull your head off' :) It can >create headaches, < snip > True, how bad they get however depends on a number of factors. How strong the energy flow is, how controlled it is/isn't, how open the head chakras are, etc. etc. Regards, John. -- **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:633/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/