Lines: 45 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Date: 26 Aug 2000 14:50:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: A Conversation with The Devil Message-ID: <20000826105046.00485.00000512@ng-ci1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49720 August 26, 2000 A Conversation with The Devil I found myelf lucid in a dream and knew i was "Out". I was entering thru a double doorway into the foyer of a large mansion. The foyer itself was very large and square with double doorways on each wall. There were lots of people milling about. I thought at first that this was a masquarade party beacuse everyone seemed to be dressed in period costumes. I sat down at a table. Just then a creature that looked like the mythical 'Pan' approached me. "Hell is just thru those doors", he said and pointed at one of the double doorways. When he pointed, the doors magically opened. "I've come to take you in", he continued, like he was giving me a back stage pass or something.... I looked in thru the doorway... seemed like a Casino inside, with a red lit Bar, loud music, people partying hardy. "No thanks", i said, "I dont believe in suffering anymore". He seemed alittle stunned but intrigued and he sat down as if invited. "They dont look like they are suffering but tell me more", he said. "Not everything is how it looks", i said," Ive been in Hell before." "And you yourself have stated how much you have learned by your suffering", he said. I looked up at him and looked him right in the eyes, "You know me then?", i asked. He just smiled. I continued, "I am of the mind that Men created Hell because they believe that suffering can purify them of their guilt and sin. They dont really want to die, or else they would perceive that the wages of sin could actually be death, as we have been told.. But with Hell they can suffer eternally in the fires of their own karmic making perchance that God will take pity one day in the long eternity and free them while they are still cnscious of their suffering. I believe that i can learn equally well from Love now". "Well said", he responded, "but you are dreaming." Then he yelled aloud, "YOU ARE ALL DREAMING!", he seemed like he was getting alittle frustrated or desperate. I gave him a look and responded, "I know i am dreaming", i said, " this is a conscious place for many people now...now that we are raising the vibration, we can enter here knowingly and not be tricked into the dazzles of Hell". He stood up abruptly and caught the arm of another woman who was passing by. Within a breath's time was walking her thru the doorways to Hell. I stood up and went back out thru the doors in which i came ...I walked a pathway with a lovely flower garden and statigically placed trees to the end and then entered the astral wilderness. My tigers joined me and we journeyed back to the place of my physical body... I awoke immediately upon entering my body. The entire conversation was still fresh in my memory.... Jean Galliano ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A Conversation with The Devil Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:00:28 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 105 Message-ID: <39A9816C.C6583B24@algonet.se> References: <20000826105046.00485.00000512@ng-ci1.aol.com> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du170-93.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 967410129 25444 195.100.93.170 (27 Aug 2000 21:02:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 2000 21:02:09 GMT To: gallianoj@aol.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.bme.hu!localhost!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newspeer.highwayone.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49783 Hi Jean, GALLIANOJ wrote: > > August 26, 2000 > > A Conversation with The Devil > > I found myelf lucid in a dream and knew i was "Out". I was entering > thru a double doorway into the foyer of a large mansion. The foyer > itself was very large and square with double doorways on each wall. > There were lots of people milling about. I thought at first that this > was a masquerade party beacuse everyone seemed to be dressed in period > costumes. What period? > I sat down at a table. Just then a creature that looked like the > mythical 'Pan' approached me. Horns, tail and hoofs? ;-) Trident? > "Hell is just thru those doors", he said and pointed at one of the > double doorways. When he pointed, the doors magically opened. "I've > come to take you in", he continued, like he was giving me a back stage > pass or something.... Interesting... > I looked in thru the doorway... seemed like a Casino inside, with a > red lit Bar, loud music, people partying hard. "No thanks", i said, > "I dont believe in suffering anymore". He seemed alittle stunned but > intrigued and he sat down as if invited. > "They dont look like they are suffering but tell me more", he said. > "Not everything is how it looks", i said," Ive been in Hell before." > "And you yourself have stated how much you have learned by your > suffering", he said. I looked up at him and looked him right in the > eyes, "You know me then?", i asked. He just smiled. Like I said in another post, I very much think the Devil really exists, if only as a powerful thoughtform, simply *because* so many people believe in him. However, then you realize that the only power he (or YHWH) has over you is the power you allow them to have, by believing in and fearing them. If you choose not to give them any power over you, then they have none. > I continued, "I am of the mind that Men created Hell because they > believe that suffering can purify them of their guilt and sin. They > dont really want to die, or else they would perceive that the wages of > sin could actually be death, as we have been told.. But with Hell they > can suffer eternally in the fires of their own karmic making perchance > that God will take pity one day in the long eternity and free them > while they are still conscious of their suffering. Hmm... > I believe that i can learn equally well from Love now". Absolutely. > "Well said", he responded, "but you are dreaming." Then he yelled > aloud, "YOU ARE ALL DREAMING!", he seemed like he was getting a little > frustrated or desperate. Frustrated over that you realized you were dreaming, or frustrated over that most didnīt? > I gave him a look and responded, "I know i am dreaming", i said, "this > is a conscious place for many people now...now that we are raising the > vibration, we can enter here knowingly and not be tricked into the > dazzles of Hell". Yes. Being conscious is key. In my OBEs I have found that the more conscious, aware, and lucid I am, the more powerful I am too. > He stood up abruptly and caught the arm of another woman who was > passing by. Within a breath's time was walking her thru the doorways > to Hell. Easier prey... ;-) > I stood up and went back out thru the doors in which i came ...I > walked a pathway with a lovely flower garden and stategically placed > trees to the end and then entered the astral wilderness. My tigers > joined me Tigers? > and we journeyed back to the place of my physical body... I awoke > immediately upon entering my body. The entire conversation was still > fresh in my memory.... Very intriguing Jean. Thanks for posting. > Jean Galliano See you out there... /Gunnar --------------------- - Question Authority! - Yeah, Says Who? --------------------- ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A Conversation with The Devil Lines: 138 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Aug 2000 03:13:29 GMT References: <20000826105046.00485.00000512@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000828231329.20126.00000471@ng-cn1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49904 Subj: Re: A Conversation with The Devil Date: 8/28/00 7:39:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: GALLIANOJ To: dervak@algonet.se In a message dated 8/27/00 2:03:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dervak@algonet.se writes: << Hi Jean, GALLIANOJ wrote: > > August 26, 2000 > > A Conversation with The Devil > > I found myelf lucid in a dream and knew i was "Out". I was entering > thru a double doorway into the foyer of a large mansion. The foyer > itself was very large and square with double doorways on each wall. > There were lots of people milling about. I thought at first that this > was a masquerade party beacuse everyone seemed to be dressed in period > costumes. What period? ALL DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS, COULDT TELL WHAT TIME IT WAS AT ALL... > I sat down at a table. Just then a creature that looked like the > mythical 'Pan' approached me. Horns, tail and hoofs? ;-) Trident? YES, A HANSOME DEVIL! > "Hell is just thru those doors", he said and pointed at one of the > double doorways. When he pointed, the doors magically opened. "I've > come to take you in", he continued, like he was giving me a back stage > pass or something.... Interesting... > I looked in thru the doorway... seemed like a Casino inside, with a > red lit Bar, loud music, people partying hard. "No thanks", i said, > "I dont believe in suffering anymore". He seemed alittle stunned but > intrigued and he sat down as if invited. > "They dont look like they are suffering but tell me more", he said. > "Not everything is how it looks", i said," Ive been in Hell before." > "And you yourself have stated how much you have learned by your > suffering", he said. I looked up at him and looked him right in the > eyes, "You know me then?", i asked. He just smiled. Like I said in another post, I very much think the Devil really exists, if only as a powerful thoughtform, simply *because* so many people believe in him. However, then you realize that the only power he (or YHWH) has over you is the power you allow them to have, by believing in and fearing them. If you choose not to give them any power over you, then they have none. TRUELY > I continued, "I am of the mind that Men created Hell because they > believe that suffering can purify them of their guilt and sin. They > dont really want to die, or else they would perceive that the wages of > sin could actually be death, as we have been told.. But with Hell they > can suffer eternally in the fires of their own karmic making perchance > that God will take pity one day in the long eternity and free them > while they are still conscious of their suffering. Hmm... IT WAS LIKE I WAS HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME MYSELF AS THE WORDS WE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH > I believe that i can learn equally well from Love now". Absolutely. ITS BEEN A GREAT RVEELATON FOR ME! > "Well said", he responded, "but you are dreaming." Then he yelled > aloud, "YOU ARE ALL DREAMING!", he seemed like he was getting a little > frustrated or desperate. Frustrated over that you realized you were dreaming, or frustrated over that most didnīt? FRUSTRATED THAT HE COULDNT SEEM TO GET TO ME.... > I gave him a look and responded, "I know i am dreaming", i said, "this > is a conscious place for many people now...now that we are raising the > vibration, we can enter here knowingly and not be tricked into the > dazzles of Hell". Yes. Being conscious is key. In my OBEs I have found that the more conscious, aware, and lucid I am, the more powerful I am too. YES! THE ANSWER, FINALLY...AWARENESS > He stood up abruptly and caught the arm of another woman who was > passing by. Within a breath's time was walking her thru the doorways > to Hell. Easier prey... ;-) SOMEONE NOT PAYING ATTENTION... > I stood up and went back out thru the doors in which i came ...I > walked a pathway with a lovely flower garden and stategically placed > trees to the end and then entered the astral wilderness. My tigers > joined me Tigers? YES, I TRAVEL WITH TIGERS IN THE ASTRAL WORLD ALOT...A SPECIFIC PLACE I HAVE TO JOURNEY THRU I CALL THE ASTRAL WILDERNESS. ALSO WHILE I AM THER I AM USUALLY ESCORTING OTHERS THRU, THOSE WHO FEAR THE TIGERS.... > and we journeyed back to the place of my physical body... I awoke > immediately upon entering my body. The entire conversation was still > fresh in my memory.... Very intriguing Jean. Thanks for posting. QUITE WELCOME, THANKS FOR RESPONDING! > Jean Galliano See you out there... LOOKING FOR YA! /Gunnar >> JEAN PLEASE DONT MIND THE CAPS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SORT OUT THE NEW COMMUNICATIONS ###### Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rowland2110@aol.com (Rowland2110) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Date: 29 Aug 2000 19:48:52 GMT References: <20000826105046.00485.00000512@ng-ci1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A Conversation with The Devil Message-ID: <20000829154852.20952.00000384@ng-cf1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49905 Interesting! Ive had a simular experience in a "dream" I had it about 3 months ago, it was with 2 other people, both of which i did not know at the time. One of them i do know however. Anyway we somehow made it into a taver like place which resembled "hell". There was no tormenting or burning sulfure but hell was the theme. There were pinball games and i sat down next to a clear small crystal table and was offered a drink by a "stewerdess". I said no. Next i saw the devil, he was very polite and kind telling me to relax and enjoy. Afterthought Since our thoughts can create reality. The personafied devil probably does exist somewhere on the spiritual. Maybe "hell" has changed because the sponsering conscious thought on it has shifted. Dont take offence dont make ammends, rip it all to sheads and let it go. Thats one step better than Jesus' forgive 7 times 7. ###### Message-ID: <39AF0893.36B2@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: A Conversation with The Devil References: <20000826105046.00485.00000512@ng-ci1.aol.com> <20000828231329.20126.00000471@ng-cn1.aol.com> <39AC97F0.72D1F16D@algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:35:29 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-wqeCHQYCLHyFY7frbCbehKSdL9Mwbtk7s/Kh0gPvUgvs+Flh0blRLfkFesoXBUydocoe7W6o20Eer9+!SmZYgEq5O4AUtlbcL1qRvbDCN6U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:38:27 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!novia!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50039 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > > Cool! You know, once I met and cuddled/wrestled with a tiger while > out-of-body. I posted it on a.oob a year ago orso. Have you read that > one? > > Would very much like to meet that tiger again, I really love cats... I recently came across a black panther in my front yard in a lucid dream, studied it, and shape-shifted into one myself a bit later.