From: "incubus" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: SOME interesting posts Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:11 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.172.206.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@winstar.net X-Trace: news.goodnet.com 966361828 216.172.206.72 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:28 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:50:28 MST Organization: WinStar GoodNet, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!enews.sgi.com!news.good.net!news.goodnet.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49219 Hello Group, and especially to you Julie :), I suspect that there has been a LOT of emailing going on, more than normal, individually, away from normal group posting. I am very curious, if all of a sudden, some of the group has dried up, for some reason I suspect, or if it is just cuz the moon is full (just a stupid comment, don't try to analyze it.). Anyways, I am waiting for some of the better LDers / OBEers to tell about some of their more recent experiences, and hopefully techiques too. Are you guys out there, or do you just lurk now on your group? I am not a guru on a mountain myself. I live here in this "normal" world myself too. Hope to hear from you guys/gals, in the posts or otherwise, and I also look forward to reading the posts about those that are just beginning to find out things, about the paranormal. Later..................... Weasel ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:16:25 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.180.103 X-Trace: news3.atl 966378222 216.76.180.103 (Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:23:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:23:42 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!falcon.america.net!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49204 incubus wrote in message news:Epfm5.65$hT6.7429@news.goodnet.com... : Hello Group, and especially to you Julie :), : : I suspect that there has been a LOT of emailing going on, more than : normal, individually, away from normal group posting. I am very curious, if : all of a sudden, some of the group has dried up, for some reason I suspect, : or if it is just cuz the moon is full (just a stupid comment, don't try to : analyze it.). Wow, I know I am doing no emailing to anyone on the group. Yer sounding a little paranoid ;-Ž I think we all just get pretty busy at times and I personally am having a bit of a dry spell as far as OOBE's go and with school starting here I am busy preparing my 10 year old and focusing more on her at the time and by the time I get home from work, make dinner, do homework with her, do some laundry , etc etc waaaaaa I am going to cry now! Anyway that's my excuse for slowing down ! : : Anyways, I am waiting for some of the better LDers / OBEers to tell : about some of their more recent experiences, and hopefully techiques too. I dont really have a technique as I have had the spontanous ones but when I have consciously tried to OOBe or LD I have found that focusing on the hypnogognic images seems to work the best. I cant really focus on them *too* hard but if I at least take notice as they come and make myself aware of them I seem to slip into some pretty good LD's and LD-OOBE's which for me are OOBE's that seem to stem from LD's. : Are you guys out there, or do you just lurk now on your group? Who exactly is "you guys"? and "your group" referring to? It's anyone and everyones NG, no? I am not a : guru on a mountain myself. I live here in this "normal" world myself too. : Hope to hear from you guys/gals, in the posts or otherwise, and I also look : forward to reading the posts about those that are just beginning to find out : things, about the paranormal. Later..................... : : Weasel : : ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:33:27 -0500 Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-644.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw, "Lorz" wrote: > incubus wrote in message > news:Epfm5.65$hT6.7429@news.goodnet.com... > : Hello Group, and especially to you Julie :), > : > : I suspect that there has been a LOT of emailing going on, more > : than > : normal, individually, away from normal group posting. I am very > : curious, if all of a sudden, some of the group has dried up, for > : some reason I suspect, or if it is just cuz the moon is full (just > : a stupid comment, don't try to analyze it.). > > Wow, I know I am doing no emailing to anyone on the group. Yer > sounding a little paranoid ;-Ž I think we all just get pretty busy at > times and I personally am having a bit of a dry spell as far as > OOBE's go and with school starting here I am busy preparing my 10 > year old and focusing more on her at the time and by the time I get > home from work, make dinner, do homework with her, do some laundry , > etc etc waaaaaa I am going to cry now! Anyway that's my excuse for > slowing down ! Hey, I got you beat. I'm single-parenting for a while, with THREE kids, a new house, a new job, building up a new lab from scratch, putting together 2 brand new courses for the fall, and I never ever had none of them there ding-danged OOBE thingies in the first place. > > > : > : Anyways, I am waiting for some of the better LDers / OBEers to > : tell > : about some of their more recent experiences, and hopefully > : techiques too. > > I dont really have a technique as I have had the spontanous ones but > when I have consciously tried to OOBe or LD I have found that > focusing on the hypnogognic images seems to work the best. I cant > really focus on them *too* hard but if I at least take notice as they > come and make myself aware of them I seem to slip into some pretty > good LD's and LD-OOBE's which for me are OOBE's that seem to stem > from LD's. > > : Are you guys out there, or do you just lurk now on your group? > > Who exactly is "you guys"? and "your group" referring to? It's anyone > and everyones NG, no? Except for us skeptics. All I've got to do is let my upper lip twitch into a sneer just a little bit and I get a bunch of whiners telling me to get out of "their" newsgroup. > > > : I am not a > : guru on a mountain myself. I live here in this "normal" world > : myself too. Hope to hear from you guys/gals, in the posts or > : otherwise, and I also look forward to reading the posts about those > : that are just beginning to find out things, about the paranormal. Here's a new, exciting thing for you: the paranormal doesn't exist. ###### Message-ID: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:10:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-tT8n+F0CH9R46fgafsDIDHwReDErApFn/jcqft2zs/Rzy4vQEmc2vWZ1lURzibdqlAAmIZFp2vTItuW!AK0JpQkqFKCOUDhB31ynjOPE8y8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:13:42 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.netcologne.de!news-xfer.siscom.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49188 incubus wrote: > > Hello Group, and especially to you Julie :), > > I suspect that there has been a LOT of emailing going on, more than > normal, individually, away from normal group posting. If there is, I haven't gotten any of it. > I am very curious, if > all of a sudden, some of the group has dried up, for some reason I suspect, > or if it is just cuz the moon is full (just a stupid comment, don't try to > analyze it.). > > Anyways, I am waiting for some of the better LDers / OBEers to tell > about some of their more recent experiences, and hopefully techiques too. > Are you guys out there, or do you just lurk now on your group? I am not a > guru on a mountain myself. I live here in this "normal" world myself too. > Hope to hear from you guys/gals, in the posts or otherwise, and I also look > forward to reading the posts about those that are just beginning to find out > things, about the paranormal. Later..................... I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been posting here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. ###### From: "Steve & Julie McDonald" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:35:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.67.71.155 X-Trace: 966425952 news.twtelecom.net 151 207.67.71.155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.inc.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49243 Hello again and to you too incubus :-), "Janice" wrote in message news:399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net... > incubus wrote: > I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been posting > here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. I am confused possibly because I am still a bit uneducated (ignorant?) on this subject matter. I guess I always assumed that most folks do not go anywhere without their body until the good Lord saw fit to call them home. I guess I reasoned that if most folks do not do this at all that would be the norm, on this earth. So, folks who have would be beyond the norm, or paranormal? What am I missing? Julie ###### Message-ID: <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:06:51 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-6LbnMH7ODEzsBGtM5OG2VJ6EqKjPnwcWHFX310HyyYRmTGQlkbJ2+xvDEAB92qMnP/yCIvjRrqUfPD4!S8Y0273pY0XERCxmthZqIb6kbBo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:09:35 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!news.vas-net.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49185 Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: > > Hello again and to you too incubus :-), > > "Janice" wrote in message > news:399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net... > > incubus wrote: > > > I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been posting > > here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. > > I am confused possibly because I am still a bit uneducated (ignorant?) on > this subject matter. I guess I always assumed that most folks do not go > anywhere without their body until the good Lord saw fit to call them home. I > guess I reasoned that if most folks do not do this at all that would be the > norm, on this earth. So, folks who have would be beyond the norm, or > paranormal? What am I missing? I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. ###### From: "Steve & Julie McDonald" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:22:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.67.71.155 X-Trace: 966454025 news.twtelecom.net 151 207.67.71.155 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.inc.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49321 Hello, Personally, I have not heard anyone express that idea yet. If it is not too personal, would you be willing to share your opinion of what your think actually happens? Thank You, Julie > I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving > the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 81 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:26:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.144 X-Trace: news4.atl 966461540 216.77.204.144 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:32:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:32:20 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49259 PZ Myers wrote in message ... :In article , "Lorz" : wrote: : :> incubus wrote in message :> news:Epfm5.65$hT6.7429@news.goodnet.com... :> : Hello Group, and especially to you Julie :), :> : :> : I suspect that there has been a LOT of emailing going on, more :> : than :> : normal, individually, away from normal group posting. I am very :> : curious, if all of a sudden, some of the group has dried up, for :> : some reason I suspect, or if it is just cuz the moon is full (just :> : a stupid comment, don't try to analyze it.). :> :> Wow, I know I am doing no emailing to anyone on the group. Yer :> sounding a little paranoid ;-Ž I think we all just get pretty busy at :> times and I personally am having a bit of a dry spell as far as :> OOBE's go and with school starting here I am busy preparing my 10 :> year old and focusing more on her at the time and by the time I get :> home from work, make dinner, do homework with her, do some laundry , :> etc etc waaaaaa I am going to cry now! Anyway that's my excuse for :> slowing down ! : :Hey, I got you beat. I'm single-parenting for a while, with THREE kids, hey I been single parenting for 10 years buddy! :Ž :a new house, a new job, building up a new lab from scratch, putting :together 2 brand new courses for the fall, and I never ever had none of :them there ding-danged OOBE thingies in the first place. Try it you'll like it! : :> :> :> : :> : Anyways, I am waiting for some of the better LDers / OBEers to :> : tell :> : about some of their more recent experiences, and hopefully :> : techiques too. :> :> I dont really have a technique as I have had the spontanous ones but :> when I have consciously tried to OOBe or LD I have found that :> focusing on the hypnogognic images seems to work the best. I cant :> really focus on them *too* hard but if I at least take notice as they :> come and make myself aware of them I seem to slip into some pretty :> good LD's and LD-OOBE's which for me are OOBE's that seem to stem :> from LD's. :> :> : Are you guys out there, or do you just lurk now on your group? :> :> Who exactly is "you guys"? and "your group" referring to? It's anyone :> and everyones NG, no? : :Except for us skeptics. All I've got to do is let my upper lip twitch :into a sneer just a little bit and I get a bunch of whiners telling me :to get out of "their" newsgroup. waaa waaa waaaa stop your whining! : :> :> :> : I am not a :> : guru on a mountain myself. I live here in this "normal" world :> : myself too. Hope to hear from you guys/gals, in the posts or :> : otherwise, and I also look forward to reading the posts about those :> : that are just beginning to find out things, about the paranormal. : :Here's a new, exciting thing for you: the paranormal doesn't exist. ... said the spider to the fly.... ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:04:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.142.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 966476559 216.224.142.84 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:42:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:42:39 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49303 "Janice" wrote in message news:399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net... > Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: > > > > Hello again and to you too incubus :-), > > > > "Janice" wrote in message > > news:399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net... > > > incubus wrote: > > > > > I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been posting > > > here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. > > > > I am confused possibly because I am still a bit uneducated (ignorant?) on > > this subject matter. I guess I always assumed that most folks do not go > > anywhere without their body until the good Lord saw fit to call them home. I > > guess I reasoned that if most folks do not do this at all that would be the > > norm, on this earth. So, folks who have would be beyond the norm, or > > paranormal? What am I missing? > > I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving > the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. And I think something does leave the body. . . What I admit, is still open to debate. But I do not call it paranormal because I think we all can do it. It is just that some of us repress the tendency at a young age. We get all caught up in physical things and forget how to do it. -- Richard For Out of Body Links, try http://www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond Join more than two million around the world searching for Extraterrestrial Intelligence at home. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ ###### Message-ID: <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:26:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-S9yiqFk/5Wjv0v3jhrS1DaZbZp+rNPKE+P4wTAVQprEGdurHDIEf6bZKZGN75WXay3zbEbnhSlDrdLU!F2Al1lasYPt9coG9kSBuDuQT6BE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:28:48 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49339 It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during REM. Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to be at all paranormal. Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: > > Hello, > Personally, I have not heard anyone express that idea yet. If it is not too > personal, would you be willing to share your opinion of what your think > actually happens? > > Thank You, > Julie > > > I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving > > the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. ###### Message-ID: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:28:44 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-t1khnXAUgNcV3XEsJEsipStWXoEmNIXNEs+K/Uir0J/manliY3QzByE7VlNfcub7KQfRlCsseARjvIb!dW4xY62F4lkECc0MoQgBf+HR3+c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:31:29 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49340 Richard wrote: > > "Janice" wrote in message > news:399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net... > > Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: > > > > > > Hello again and to you too incubus :-), > > > > > > "Janice" wrote in message > > > news:399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net... > > > > incubus wrote: > > > > > > > I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been > posting > > > > here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. > > > > > > I am confused possibly because I am still a bit uneducated (ignorant?) > on > > > this subject matter. I guess I always assumed that most folks do not go > > > anywhere without their body until the good Lord saw fit to call them > home. I > > > guess I reasoned that if most folks do not do this at all that would be > the > > > norm, on this earth. So, folks who have would be beyond the norm, or > > > paranormal? What am I missing? > > > > I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving > > the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. > > And I think something does leave the body. . . What I admit, is still open > to debate. But I do not call it paranormal because I think we all can do > it. It is just that some of us repress the tendency at a young age. We get > all caught up in physical things and forget how to do it. If so it must be a very young age, because I was definitely big on lucid dreaming and hypnagogic experimentation at age 5-7, not exclusively caught up in physical things at all, and I did not have any OBEs at that age unless you count the time I was abducted from my bed by the fairies. :) ###### Message-ID: <399D1F4E.61D7@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:31:54 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-VRLjro8BVxXG5oeiMJUpxGmRaDwkZH77XGZN2UasyDNIBH9YofTRqAQSXRSL9XHwcIgMiq840OvbKME!FeZQtMgfo4V/S3xguTZmKK4eDzo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:34:38 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49344 Janice wrote: > > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during > REM. > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > be at all paranormal. P.S. Although of course some people have suggested that I'm simply projecting to an astral location. :) ###### From: "Steve & Julie McDonald" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> <399D1F4E.61D7@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:42:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 54 Message-ID: <399d2234$0$154$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.67.71.153 X-Trace: 966599222 news.twtelecom.net 154 207.67.71.153 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.inc.net!news.twtelecom.net!news.twtelecom.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49407 Thank you for helping me to see a different way to view this. What you say makes sense. I am probably way off base here, but it seems like that would be an easier way to think of what happens and may even help prevent a new person from having a panic onset during the first attempts. Julie "Janice" wrote in message news:399D1F4E.61D7@not-here.net... > Janice wrote: > > > > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. > > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of > > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end > > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during > > REM. > > > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body > > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but > > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around > > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the > > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world > > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > > be at all paranormal. > > P.S. Although of course some people have suggested that I'm simply > projecting to an astral location. :) ###### Message-ID: <399D2672.1E0B@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> <399D1F4E.61D7@not-here.net> <399d2234$0$154$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:02:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-DMfiJRJgkEiF4bEhFLyj1C7T2Y6o7R9dBqIaaM6X+C7q5OZtRDRwu1txw7PDleto44lrugaa46KV0Mz!ENUXcuBoOxo+UszAosNr1xF6464= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:05:06 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49333 Yes, I think it's a comforting concept for some people. I was terrified of OBE sensations for years because I took them literally and was afraid that if I completely left I might not ever get back, or something else might possess my body in my absence. When I finally got up the nerve to test things out, and realized that I was not out of my shell in the physical world after all, I was quite relieved. :) It's a good starting point - people can see if it adequately explains their own personal experiences and if not, then they can move on to other explanations. Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: > > Thank you for helping me to see a different way to view this. What you say > makes sense. I am probably way off base here, but it seems like that would > be an easier way to think of what happens and may even help prevent a new > person from having a panic onset during the first attempts. > > Julie > "Janice" wrote in message > news:399D1F4E.61D7@not-here.net... > > Janice wrote: > > > > > > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > > > > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > > > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. > > > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > > > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > > > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of > > > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > > > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end > > > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > > > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > > > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > > > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > > > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > > > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during > > > REM. > > > > > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > > > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > > > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body > > > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > > > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > > > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > > > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > > > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > > > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > > > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > > > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but > > > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > > > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > > > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > > > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around > > > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > > > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > > > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the > > > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > > > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world > > > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > > > be at all paranormal. > > > > P.S. Although of course some people have suggested that I'm simply > > projecting to an astral location. :) ###### From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:08:17 GMT Organization: A.S.I./Psi -App/WCS Lines: 65 Message-ID: <39a12712.31127334@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-191.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.netcologne.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49393 This is a -keeper-! On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:28:48 -0400, Janice wrote: >It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > >I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various >mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. >If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly >activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for >sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of >what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a >sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end >up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you >from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird >things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to >sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or >having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis >experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during >REM. > >Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a >point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that >*can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body >and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of >"separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so >if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about >moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer >moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? >Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a >second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I >could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but >which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could >detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the >dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on >another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around >until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than >imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, >putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the >physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" >approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world >that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to >be at all paranormal. > >Steve & Julie McDonald wrote: >> >> Hello, >> Personally, I have not heard anyone express that idea yet. If it is not too >> personal, would you be willing to share your opinion of what your think >> actually happens? >> >> Thank You, >> Julie >> >> > I personally don't believe that my own OBEs involve literally leaving >> > the body, so therefore I don't see anything paranormal about them. -- White Crow Society:Knowledge is the Antidote for Fear http://www.whitecrowsociety.com http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/stories.htm http://www.legendsmagazine.net/pan/rayn/rpm ###### From: capuchin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:29:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8njko3$1m4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.24.243.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 18 15:29:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.24.243.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcapuchinz Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49367 In article <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net>, Janice wrote: > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each other. > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware of > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd end > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic during > REM. > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical body > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, but > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking around > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never the > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the world > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > be at all paranormal. Hey Janice. Here's something else I've been wondering about. Why is it that during OBEs/LDs I have this distinct feeling that I have to "keep moving"? Even if I just stay in my room to ponder the activities of the day .. I still feel the need to pace, or move around. If I don't, I get the feeling that the OBE will collapse on me. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Message-ID: <399DE92F.7844@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> <8njko3$1m4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:53:14 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-PaN2HzUTqOK2pD7Q0EZP5RRywJ7r7VZ8g05WTpK0fBjPwc+Ad1IZHBtPO+vfHyk+P4jyDii3WHJDNys!nAHuT2BCYs7e23CHQBBMdXpWqR0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:55:59 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49342 capuchin wrote: > > In article <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net>, > Janice wrote: > > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each > other. > > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware > of > > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd > end > > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic > during > > REM. > > > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical > body > > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, > but > > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking > around > > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never > the > > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the > world > > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > > be at all paranormal. > > Hey Janice. Here's something else I've been wondering about. Why is > it that during OBEs/LDs I have this distinct feeling that I have to > "keep moving"? Even if I just stay in my room to ponder the activities > of the day .. I still feel the need to pace, or move around. If I > don't, I get the feeling that the OBE will collapse on me. Actually I think it's the truth. If I stand around doing nothing in a lucid dream it does tend to fade away. The movement seems to be necessary to trigger your brain into sustaining the appropriate visuals. Hobson thinks that motor impulses are driving dreams on a very basic level, and I think there's some truth to that, though I don't think it's as automatic as he does insofar as although some of my dream actions are pretty impulsive I am able to make decisions about what I'm doing as well. ###### From: capuchin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:44:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 113 Message-ID: <8nma0a$v93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> <8njko3$1m4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399DE92F.7844@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.11.39.191 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 19 15:44:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.11.39.191 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcapuchinz Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!xfer13.netnews.com!xfe11.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49365 In article <399DE92F.7844@not-here.net>, Janice wrote: > capuchin wrote: > > > > In article <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net>, > > Janice wrote: > > > It's not too personal; it's a simple materialist idea. :) > > > > > > I think that sometimes when we are falling asleep, the various > > > mechanisms involved in falling asleep get out of synch with each > > other. > > > If the higher cognitive functions of the brain were to stay highly > > > activated while the perceptual and motor systems switched gears for > > > sleep mode, the upshot would be that we could end up unusually aware > > of > > > what's going on at sleep onset. If you should happen to have a > > > sleep-onset REM period (not too uncommon for some people) then you'd > > end > > > up being aware as REM paralysis sets in - the mechanism that keeps you > > > from acting out your dreams. And you'd probably notice other weird > > > things having to do with natural physiological changes pertaining to > > > sleep as well; for instance, the feeling of difficulty breathing or > > > having a weight on your chest that's so common in sleep paralysis > > > experiences may be due to the fact that breathing becomes erratic > > during > > > REM. > > > > > > Anyway, let's say you hang on in this immobile state for a bit. At a > > > point you might start to notice the beginnings of a dream body that > > > *can* move. Having a dual awareness of both the immobile physical > > body > > > and the mobile dream one could potentially create the illusion of > > > "separating" the one from the other. And you're almost bound to do so > > > if you stay there long enough, because at a point even thinking about > > > moving will make the dream body move, I've found. It's a much nicer > > > moving around than feeling paralyzed; who wants to be paralyzed? > > > Originally I would go through a tedious routine of "separating" out a > > > second body limb by limb until I had a whole one. Then I found that I > > > could wait around until what I had been taking for my physical body, > > but > > > which was itself apparently just a mental image based on what I could > > > detect of my physical body, could itself get up and move off in the > > > dream version of my room. This can take too long, though, so I hit on > > > another method which was simply to imagine getting up and walking > > around > > > until at a point it would feel like I was perceiving rather than > > > imagining things. Everyone of these methods had the same result, > > > putting me into a dream version of my house and neighborhood, never > > the > > > physical version - not even the "separating out a second body" > > > approach. So since I'm always ending up in a dream version of the > > world > > > that always differs from physical reality, I can't consider my OBEs to > > > be at all paranormal. > > > > Hey Janice. Here's something else I've been wondering about. Why is > > it that during OBEs/LDs I have this distinct feeling that I have to > > "keep moving"? Even if I just stay in my room to ponder the activities > > of the day .. I still feel the need to pace, or move around. If I > > don't, I get the feeling that the OBE will collapse on me. > > Actually I think it's the truth. If I stand around doing nothing in a > lucid dream it does tend to fade away. The movement seems to be > necessary to trigger your brain into sustaining the appropriate > visuals. Hobson thinks that motor impulses are driving dreams on a very > basic level, and I think there's some truth to that, though I don't > think it's as automatic as he does insofar as although some of my dream > actions are pretty impulsive I am able to make decisions about what I'm > doing as well. > Wish there was a way to stop and smell the roses more often. :) Oh, and for some reason, my experiences have kicked up a notch. Can't quite figure it out, but just about every time I lay my head down, I'm having an OBE, LD, or semi-lucid dream. I can 'feel' it coming on, too. I'll suddenly get slightly drowsy, during times that I'm not normally drowsy .. and go in for a nap. Like clockwork, something happens. But I'm actually getting too much sleep, which isn't good either. -- Trish Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Message-ID: <39A0919C.35DB@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399aeb08$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399D1DF0.315D@not-here.net> <8njko3$1m4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <399DE92F.7844@not-here.net> <8nma0a$v93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:16:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-nsJDO2u9DsAkFQ4wBEjR7Xb/VvqQvXLV/4mFw+F30NLdvYUfEsf/jlxvHZGCBr9sY4nDGb+W5ICz2C1!pi4lovwAQu4AW5DNpf3fRojhZyE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:19:08 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49457 capuchin wrote: > > In article <399DE92F.7844@not-here.net>, > Janice wrote: > > capuchin wrote: > > > > > > Hey Janice. Here's something else I've been wondering about. Why > is > > > it that during OBEs/LDs I have this distinct feeling that I have to > > > "keep moving"? Even if I just stay in my room to ponder the > activities > > > of the day .. I still feel the need to pace, or move around. If I > > > don't, I get the feeling that the OBE will collapse on me. > > > > Actually I think it's the truth. If I stand around doing nothing in a > > lucid dream it does tend to fade away. The movement seems to be > > necessary to trigger your brain into sustaining the appropriate > > visuals. Hobson thinks that motor impulses are driving dreams on a > very > > basic level, and I think there's some truth to that, though I don't > > think it's as automatic as he does insofar as although some of my > dream > > actions are pretty impulsive I am able to make decisions about what > I'm > > doing as well. > > > > Wish there was a way to stop and smell the roses more often. :) > > Oh, and for some reason, my experiences have kicked up a notch. Can't > quite figure it out, but just about every time I lay my head down, I'm > having an OBE, LD, or semi-lucid dream. > > I can 'feel' it coming on, too. I'll suddenly get slightly drowsy, > during times that I'm not normally drowsy .. and go in for a nap. Like > clockwork, something happens. But I'm actually getting too much sleep, > which isn't good either. Well, if you're napping you'll increase your chances of having sleep-onset REM, which would be conducive to OBEs/LDs. ###### Message-ID: <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:18:48 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-6HFv/KBkmbaQIkrOM34fp6fzj8mNZT/1Up4wp0awgYsO2kDfLVtLJU0s96MM0h8ftfbi3OUE2g4RmtO!bpUqWeKFTTjCXVBMN6rBU9UeX0M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:21:35 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49456 Tien Yen wrote: > > Janice wrote: > > [...] > > If so it must be a very young age, because I was definitely big on lucid > > dreaming and hypnagogic experimentation at age 5-7, not exclusively > > caught up in physical things at all, and I did not have any OBEs at that > > age unless you count the time I was abducted from my bed by the fairies. > > :) > > No,...that *really* happened ;> I had a dream a couple of years ago in which I was led back to the human world from fairyland, so that brought a nice sense of closure. ":-) ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:20:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8o79iq$eer$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.76.1c X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 02:21:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49729 Janice wrote in message <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net>... >If so it must be a very young age, because I was definitely big on lucid >dreaming and hypnagogic experimentation at age 5-7, No wonder you are so good at making the shift! >I did not have any OBEs at that >age unless you count the time I was abducted from my bed by the fairies. >:) Fairies can be soooo annoying... I've had a number of experiences with them - every encounter has been interesting, but bothersome... Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:32:49 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.76.1c X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 02:32:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49730 Janice wrote in message <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net>... >I had a dream a couple of years ago in which I was led back to the human >world from fairyland, so that brought a nice sense of closure. ":-) You mean you found some "nice" fairies? Or were they just booting you out of fairyland? ;-) I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans except to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:34:24 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8o7abg$sh1$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.76.1c X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 02:34:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49733 incubus wrote in message ... >some of the group has dried up, I have a new girlfriend... Bart ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:03:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.188.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 967259213 206.31.188.96 (Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:06:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:06:53 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49718 Bart wrote in message news:8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > > Janice wrote in message <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net>... > > >I had a dream a couple of years ago in which I was led back to the human > >world from fairyland, so that brought a nice sense of closure. ":-) > > You mean you found some "nice" fairies? Or were they just booting you out > of fairyland? ;-) > > I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has > shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans except > to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six > inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) > > Bart Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have been visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! Curious little folk,... aren't they? B.D. > > > ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:08:28 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8o7cbc$5am$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.76.1c X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 03:08:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49732 I've often wondered what "normal" actually is. Do we have a right to give it a definition ;-) Most people cannot run a 4 minute mile - does that mean that someone who can achieve this type of personal discipline is performing a paranormal act? Just because somebody does something beyond the "normal" does not make it "paranormal" - what ever that actually means. I don't think anybody really knows what that means. It's just a word that people use for something they cannot explain. I don't accept OBE as "paranormal". In its "undisciplined" stage, I believe it is as most skeptics explain it. As the discipline increases, however, doorways into consciousness are opened. There is a difference between "mind" and "consciousness". "Mind" is a mechanical function. "Consciousness" is a spiritual situation. I really think it is important to investigate the words of the variety of "saints" who have been identified throughout history and have been noted to be seen in more than one place at a time - or who have described things from a distance. From all that I've read, not a single one of these highly disciplined individuals (those who cannot be proven to be fraudulent) have made the claim that they completely believed they left their body. They just don't know. But they do know that they intentionally achieved something at a "physical" distance. It's not "paranormal" - it is a result of their personal discipline and attention to the source of consciousness within. Bart Steve & Julie McDonald wrote in message <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net>... >Hello again and to you too incubus :-), > >"Janice" wrote in message >news:399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net... >> incubus wrote: > >> I don't have any paranormal experiences but I've certainly been posting >> here as much as ever, including my most recent OBE-thingee. > >I am confused possibly because I am still a bit uneducated (ignorant?) on >this subject matter. I guess I always assumed that most folks do not go >anywhere without their body until the good Lord saw fit to call them home. I >guess I reasoned that if most folks do not do this at all that would be the >norm, on this earth. So, folks who have would be beyond the norm, or >paranormal? What am I missing? > >Julie > > > ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:33:17 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.76.1c X-Server-Date: 26 Aug 2000 03:33:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49728 B.D. Yager wrote in message ... > >Bart wrote in message >> I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has >> shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans except >> to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six >> inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) >> >> Bart > > >Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have been >visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm >very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda >fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts >me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! >Curious little folk,... aren't they? > >B.D. "Mischievous"! That's a word I was looking for. Tauntingly playful... I posted a few notes about my experiences with fairies a couple of years ago. They have specific personalities and usually play in groups. But there are loners as you describe. Most loners I've run across don't even acknowledge my presence. You seem to have attracted the interest of one of these loners. Tell me - does he have wings? All of the fairies I've ever seen have wings. I guess they wouldn't be fairies if they didn't ;-) They'd be gremlins - a bit taller - and a bit nastier. Bart ###### Message-ID: <39A7AE07.7B39@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <8o79iq$eer$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:43:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-47qMS6S7l0+C+9avjOhVPfHSRjQANyyTq0xud2j07SN/2R3pxfxxQ27jRwEe28JO3UsbAmtDBAL4zRn!XEQdCtuNC8QA0mK36zBnGH6EoL8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:46:15 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49698 Bart wrote: > > Janice wrote in message <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net>... > > >If so it must be a very young age, because I was definitely big on lucid > >dreaming and hypnagogic experimentation at age 5-7, > > No wonder you are so good at making the shift! Yes, 30 years is a long time. At least back then nobody was telling me that I couldn't or shouldn't do this stuff, and squashing my talent. I mostly kept it to myself. Just as well, because when I told relatives about it in later years I met with all sorts of naysayings. > >I did not have any OBEs at that > >age unless you count the time I was abducted from my bed by the fairies. > >:) > > Fairies can be soooo annoying... I've had a number of experiences with > them - every encounter has been interesting, but bothersome... These little wretches just picked me up and flew off with me through the wall - pretty nervy! :) ###### Message-ID: <39A7AEB7.7E6A@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:46:19 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-JKsrqqrRGPyuJqHPQCNuB/hpAubZtYFfvOvOSe6DQte4HgTeviF4dU3ABCAHzEC3+I06BQB9klhh8Dw!4Q3CSPjwrtsq74fqu6SWSIC1cR4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:49:12 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49705 B.D. Yager wrote: > > Bart wrote in message > news:8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > > > > Janice wrote in message <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net>... > > > > >I had a dream a couple of years ago in which I was led back to the human > > >world from fairyland, so that brought a nice sense of closure. ":-) > > > > You mean you found some "nice" fairies? Or were they just booting you out > > of fairyland? ;-) > > > > I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has > > shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans except > > to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six > > inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) > > > > Bart > > Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have been > visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm > very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda > fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts > me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! > Curious little folk,... aren't they? You need to put him to work. One of my sisters used to have a number of elves who would stand on her stomach whenever she was ill and give her needles that cured her. In fact she insists this went on until her 21st birthday! ###### Message-ID: <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:48:32 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-fGRYsK92jl4G4SKQX0IkGL/C3qKRsN5ddXSulDxhZdKfLwINW4VOvVFZUWvOyJ9Ux1o/qhi95dk9TKg!Afz87hozoXAljvOI85nxelouw+o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:51:25 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!blackbush.xlink.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49700 Bart wrote: > > B.D. Yager wrote in message ... > > > >Bart wrote in message > > >> I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has > >> shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans > except > >> to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six > >> inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) > >> > >> Bart > > > > > >Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have > been > >visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm > >very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda > >fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts > >me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! > >Curious little folk,... aren't they? > > > >B.D. > > "Mischievous"! That's a word I was looking for. Tauntingly playful... I > posted a few notes about my experiences with fairies a couple of years ago. > They have specific personalities and usually play in groups. But there are > loners as you describe. Most loners I've run across don't even acknowledge > my presence. You seem to have attracted the interest of one of these > loners. > > Tell me - does he have wings? All of the fairies I've ever seen have wings. > I guess they wouldn't be fairies if they didn't ;-) They'd be gremlins - a > bit taller - and a bit nastier. The ones that abducted me had wings, and were pixie-like. However my oldest brother and sister both claim that when they were small and slept in the same room, they were visited and played with every night by "Things" that sound a lot a lot like fairies of some kind from their description, but did not have wings. ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:04:11 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.149.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 967338798 216.224.149.79 (Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:13:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:13:18 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49761 Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is there. . Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not say I have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of them, I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) -- Richard For Out of Body Links, try http://www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond Join more than two million around the world searching for Extraterrestrial Intelligence at home. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ "Janice" wrote in message news:39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net... > Bart wrote: > > > > B.D. Yager wrote in message ... > > > > > >Bart wrote in message > > > > >> I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has > > >> shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans > > except > > >> to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six > > >> inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) > > >> > > >> Bart > > > > > > > > >Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have > > been > > >visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm > > >very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda > > >fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts > > >me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! > > >Curious little folk,... aren't they? > > > > > >B.D. > > > > "Mischievous"! That's a word I was looking for. Tauntingly playful... I > > posted a few notes about my experiences with fairies a couple of years ago. > > They have specific personalities and usually play in groups. But there are > > loners as you describe. Most loners I've run across don't even acknowledge > > my presence. You seem to have attracted the interest of one of these > > loners. > > > > Tell me - does he have wings? All of the fairies I've ever seen have wings. > > I guess they wouldn't be fairies if they didn't ;-) They'd be gremlins - a > > bit taller - and a bit nastier. > > The ones that abducted me had wings, and were pixie-like. However my > oldest brother and sister both claim that when they were small and slept > in the same room, they were visited and played with every night by > "Things" that sound a lot a lot like fairies of some kind from their > description, but did not have wings. ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:09:27 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 72 Message-ID: <8o9po9$q4l$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.79.54 X-Server-Date: 27 Aug 2000 01:09:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49762 Janice wrote in message <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net>... >Bart wrote: >> >> B.D. Yager wrote in message ... >> > >> >Bart wrote in message >> >> >> I'm not saying that fairies are "mean". It's just that my experience has >> >> shown me that they aren't really the least bit interested in humans >> except >> >> to make fun of them or play jokes on them. If they were more than six >> >> inches tall, I'd almost call them harmless bullies :-) >> >> >> >> Bart >> > >> > >> >Hiya Bart! hehehehe! I know what you mean, about the fairies! I have >> been >> >visited several times, by "my" fairy (always the same one!)... when I'm >> >very, very sick and feverish. He's an annoying little shit...but, kinda >> >fun, too! Not mean, at all.... more mishchevious than anything, and taunts >> >me! Plays hide-and-seek, behind things on the dresser! Hahahahaha! >> >Curious little folk,... aren't they? >> > >> >B.D. >> >> "Mischievous"! That's a word I was looking for. Tauntingly playful... I >> posted a few notes about my experiences with fairies a couple of years ago. >> They have specific personalities and usually play in groups. But there are >> loners as you describe. Most loners I've run across don't even acknowledge >> my presence. You seem to have attracted the interest of one of these >> loners. >> >> Tell me - does he have wings? All of the fairies I've ever seen have wings. >> I guess they wouldn't be fairies if they didn't ;-) They'd be gremlins - a >> bit taller - and a bit nastier. > >The ones that abducted me had wings, and were pixie-like. However my >oldest brother and sister both claim that when they were small and slept >in the same room, they were visited and played with every night by >"Things" that sound a lot a lot like fairies of some kind from their >description, but did not have wings. I don't know much about elves, but I'm sure they don't have wings. Might these have been elves instead of fairies? This is getting kind of silly. But I find it interesting when children report similar or identical experiences. Many have reported small, winged, human-type figures that play with them - before they even see pictures or movies about them. I didn't see my first fairy until about 3 or 4 years ago. I have no reason to believe it was brought on by suggestion. There is something to be said in psychology about "archetypes" in the mind. "Archetypes" are "common" inner experiences amongst humans. Angels, fairies, etc. fall into this category. It is rather interesting and lends a taste of credence to the validity of the inner experience of human beings. Bart ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /KiKeWr2F4RYQabpCk5O/miGCVX3F4fc2gjWx6gNFC+H99SW5LiiQKzQ0H4pnpfveWNXJevziabj!GNxDA3I8PU+oguiPe9kqjd8GLkbJzZZllWyGEUr7MrDtU0cLpeW2EilxwoBZMKsvrhYzOVVHunEv!oVxc1PQJ9A== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:36:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:36:15 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49771 Richard wrote in message ... >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is there. . > >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not say I >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of them, >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) *whew* : ) Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. Trish ###### Message-ID: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:47:17 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-9Czzw/cFUEHFUlNc4+veZ1WTtRkvJ7Svg6GWxSoM7F/genmITXRjEx2yPXcgGAuo76d06u5Gm1uO4GK!RU75qCUPvSso4dNWObCStQoUi/o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:50:08 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49745 capuchin wrote: > > Richard wrote in message ... > >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is there. > . > > > >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not say > I > >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of > them, > >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) > > *whew* : ) > > Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. Oh, but you have ... many dream characters are actually fairies (the big kind, the Sidhe). Or so they've told me anyway. :) ###### Message-ID: <39A89155.512C@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <8o9po9$q4l$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:53:12 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-8wnp1z5l378/zUknHch/K5ahq+I9GxikQ/EHvnP4KpS8+uAeDWp0v3yG3OENjky7wcMmFcjqBNCTv/I!vL6uF+joAIA+otduBHx3LKtfvAQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:56:05 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49737 Bart wrote: > > Janice wrote in message <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net>... > > > >The ones that abducted me had wings, and were pixie-like. However my > >oldest brother and sister both claim that when they were small and slept > >in the same room, they were visited and played with every night by > >"Things" that sound a lot a lot like fairies of some kind from their > >description, but did not have wings. > > I don't know much about elves, but I'm sure they don't have wings. Might > these have been elves instead of fairies? Well, yeah, elves, or goblins, or kobolds. I was using "fairies" in the generic sense ("the fair folk"). > This is getting kind of silly. But I find it interesting when children > report similar or identical experiences. Many have reported small, winged, > human-type figures that play with them - before they even see pictures or > movies about them. > > I didn't see my first fairy until about 3 or 4 years ago. I have no reason > to believe it was brought on by suggestion. > > There is something to be said in psychology about "archetypes" in the mind. > "Archetypes" are "common" inner experiences amongst humans. Angels, > fairies, etc. fall into this category. It is rather interesting and lends a > taste of credence to the validity of the inner experience of human beings. Yes, I took a folklore class one time with a guy who thought about fairy encounters in that way, Peter Rojcewicz. His PhD. dissertation compared UFO abduction accounts to earlier traditions of abductions by the fairies. From what I've read he continued to be a big Jung fan and even went to meet the Dalai Lama by invitation. ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /K+neRCjP31/Z8FD7Gl28wQunbMjOMV/2CXtIoqdz6VyrmG3qUyAcjTAZwj9oMRiwdXUJGpCaUd2!YY+/OXh2wOJe2UjuZYXvc8MnTSorbgsycUPO33o/Hr+JQ5PJ2bRmObj9SXALiptx0h7zwXEEuxOj!MUCtWQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:52:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:52:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49764 Janice wrote in message <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net>... >capuchin wrote: >> >> Richard wrote in message ... >> >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is there. >> . >> > >> >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not say >> I >> >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of >> them, >> >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) >> >> *whew* : ) >> >> Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. > >Oh, but you have ... many dream characters are actually fairies (the big >kind, the Sidhe). Or so they've told me anyway. :) Oooh Oh! You mean like demons or something? Ok. I got those. : ) ###### Message-ID: <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:41:46 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-uyijFahQNN8yZMbPsywszJdWqAU9Y0La7chb5v60nsM0cT2z58LdlVlSN0WZnaXgkM7fCn7055F6/XQ!uvFDOd6Qf+eQrebb/3aKB3qPYeg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:44:39 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49776 capuchin wrote: > > Janice wrote in message <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net>... > >capuchin wrote: > >> > >> Richard wrote in message ... > >> >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is > there. > >> . > >> > > >> >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not > say > >> I > >> >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of > >> them, > >> >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) > >> > >> *whew* : ) > >> > >> Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. > > > >Oh, but you have ... many dream characters are actually fairies (the big > >kind, the Sidhe). Or so they've told me anyway. :) > > Oooh Oh! You mean like demons or something? Ok. I got those. : ) They don't have to be demonic. That's more the purview of the Sluagh, the nasties who fly around shooting elf darts at people and cattle to cause strokes (you know, the kind PZ has said he wouldn't mind ruling over). The Daoine Sidhe or People of the Mounds have a different style. They are the tall, elegant ones who hold stately dances inside of hollow hills and lure mortals inside where 100 years pass in a single night of revelry. ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: +rqgtgU84JiRFCXi9xqsIuFrfNmy0xvowiz80KrxlS5Y1J7OGhK22w9z2uUTVvqqS0T8I54bYYfd!i14oxL/QazDe35IVFZOO3rCVKE8s53RMswZoHDqtfmPV57ZMX24yYndVDBMKYwIdyyvmapoNYOHJ!EqilLQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:56:45 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:56:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49816 Janice wrote in message <39A96197.3256@not-here.net>... >capuchin wrote: >> >> Janice wrote in message <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net>... >> >capuchin wrote: >> >> >> >> Richard wrote in message ... >> >> >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is >> there. >> >> . >> >> > >> >> >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can not >> say >> >> I >> >> >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound of >> >> them, >> >> >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) >> >> >> >> *whew* : ) >> >> >> >> Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. >> > >> >Oh, but you have ... many dream characters are actually fairies (the big >> >kind, the Sidhe). Or so they've told me anyway. :) >> >> Oooh Oh! You mean like demons or something? Ok. I got those. : ) > >They don't have to be demonic. That's more the purview of the Sluagh, >the nasties who fly around shooting elf darts at people and cattle to >cause strokes (you know, the kind PZ has said he wouldn't mind ruling >over). The Daoine Sidhe or People of the Mounds have a different >style. They are the tall, elegant ones who hold stately dances inside >of hollow hills and lure mortals inside where 100 years pass in a single >night of revelry. Damn. Guess my imagination isn't as good as other peoples. Quite disappointing, really. : ) All I tend to get are those dark entities that hover in the corner of the room, ready to take you into the infinite nothingness .... or replications of people possibilities. Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves and stuff. ###### Message-ID: <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:51:24 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.198.12 X-Trace: firenze 967413289 209.8.198.12 (Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:54:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:54:49 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.netcologne.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsxfer.visi.net!206.246.194.3.MISMATCH!firenze!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49825 capuchin wrote: > Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves and > stuff. Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /w5MH/IYiRru0n+JWwR+vQOYw72KIVh2Ukdfm3zX+Zlby0iA6Xb4xsBXuDbIWSoplUanJHiSJsLL!iYK7a7vm8BGctbw2wVRCVWz39LdTO0DH8BwgVrM5SGsnPqFaJZj2qkQmCsyvMF1CbY8MOur4iHSZ!H6GBXp0gjjU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:00:26 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:00:26 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49820 John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... >capuchin wrote: > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves and >> stuff. > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out next year? :o ###### Message-ID: <39A9E1DF.9F1@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:49:05 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Tc4Uw/yjR6xBKHZtEwoCtdyQDnKDK4AbXLtMqibZQsDe+rIQGmoOBl1IJjD8cHFl4GzrqdLwa7on1UN!v0pgv5HoQaCYbEcWDjTYL7S0xHs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:51:59 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49778 capuchin wrote: > > Janice wrote in message <39A96197.3256@not-here.net>... > >capuchin wrote: > >> > >> Janice wrote in message <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net>... > >> >capuchin wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Richard wrote in message ... > >> >> >Hi again Bart, long time no see. . . And Janice and whoever else is > >> there. > >> >> . > >> >> > > >> >> >Thinking back on all of the times and all of my experiences, I can > not > >> say > >> >> I > >> >> >have ever seen or heard of a fairy like entity. But from the sound > of > >> >> them, > >> >> >I guess I would rather not be bothered by them. :^) > >> >> > >> >> *whew* : ) > >> >> > >> >> Glad I'm not the only one who hasn't seen them. > >> > > >> >Oh, but you have ... many dream characters are actually fairies (the big > >> >kind, the Sidhe). Or so they've told me anyway. :) > >> > >> Oooh Oh! You mean like demons or something? Ok. I got those. : ) > > > >They don't have to be demonic. That's more the purview of the Sluagh, > >the nasties who fly around shooting elf darts at people and cattle to > >cause strokes (you know, the kind PZ has said he wouldn't mind ruling > >over). The Daoine Sidhe or People of the Mounds have a different > >style. They are the tall, elegant ones who hold stately dances inside > >of hollow hills and lure mortals inside where 100 years pass in a single > >night of revelry. > > Damn. Guess my imagination isn't as good as other peoples. Quite > disappointing, really. : ) All I tend to get are those dark entities that > hover in the corner of the room, ready to take you into the infinite > nothingness .... or replications of people possibilities. Yeah, well, the description I gave is what they were like in Irish folklore. Now that they've retreated to the dream world they don't have as much style as far as I can tell. In fact that time I was abducted by pixie-like fairies I realized something was fishy when the "fairy court" contained an elevator and the "fairy queen" looked suspiciously like my mean first grade teacher, so I refused to answer their interrogation and woke my little self up. > Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves and > stuff. Years ago I had some dwarven adventure dreams. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: 29 Aug 2000 01:04:21 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 57 Message-ID: <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 967503861 491 10.0.3.2 (28 Aug 2000 23:04:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 2000 23:04:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49827 "capuchin" writes: > John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... > >capuchin wrote: > > > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves > and > >> stuff. Who wouldn't. From the sig block of one guy on a Tolkien NG: Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-Earth. > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) > > Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out next > year? :o No, he is not funning you. There is an Lord of the Rings movie in the making by Peter Jackson (Heavenly Creatures, etc). It is being made in New Zealand and is to appear in the cinemas in 3 2-hour parts for Dec 2001, Dec 2002 and Dec 2003. That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. [1] known or strongly suspected deviations are: - All the Old Forrest / Tom Bombadil / Barrow Downs stuff is out, to save length. That one is official, it is actually (partially?) being filmed and may be included in an "collectors version" on DVD - Glorfindel has been dropped to reduce characters, his role being taken by Arwen, one of many changes to give her more presence - Arwen goes south together with the Elves coming from Rivendell to help Aragorn, whether she replaces Elladan and Elrohir is unknown - The Help comes down _before_ the battle at Helms Deep, not after the sacking of Isengard, there is therefore an Elven army fighting in Helms Deep, including Arwen (jokingly called Arwenator because of this). This one is fairly sure, as Liv Laylor (who is playing Arwen) is reported to have broken her sword in an accident with a horse - newer rumours claim the PJ has not been pleased with performance of Liv Taylor and may now be cutting back some of the scenes he intended. Many are presently hoping on this to save the film -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: john_garrison@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:46:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.198.234 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 28 23:46:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.8.198.234 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjohn_garrison Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49893 In article , "capuchin" wrote: > > John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... > >capuchin wrote: > > > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves > and > >> stuff. > > > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) > > Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out next Nope, not kidding, the movie is coming out as a trilogy over the next three years. It has....gees, I can't think of his name, the guy that played Professor Arturo in Sliders, and I think Elijah Wood or somebody like that. Haven't kept up with it to much since I first heard about it. I think this will be the first "real" trilogy since Star Wars, so I'm pretty excited. I like the whole idea of movie epics. (Of course their have been other "trilogies" but most of them aren't real continuations of the plot, just cheap sequels. IE: Scream. The biggest Scooby-Doo wannabe hollywood ever produced!) > year? :o > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Message-ID: <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:52:46 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.198.234 X-Trace: firenze 967506971 209.8.198.234 (Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:11 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsxfer.visi.net!206.246.194.3.MISMATCH!firenze!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49828 Neil Franklin wrote: > That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien > newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to > make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. Hollywood ALWAYS does that. I won't mind a few changes because realistically things have to change a little to go from massive book to three movies. It's just a by-product of the conversion process. But Hollywood always changes things way too much. Remember what the did to Godzilla?! Thank god they got it right in Godzilla 2000. I swear I almost cried when I saw that lizard iquana looking thing that they were trying to pass of as Godzilla. It was disgraceful. I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into 3 movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /K49oGoV7GVFveaHN3OOa5gYx/9IaaS8mGmDwcvvoRYx3hY7p+DW0nmxHRZPpUz9OGUsmviV1trG!PEdm/9ccFQCdkBfFv/4heLwnpiX/CJtuwSZJLuaZ77OKtOHFI51YOIJYW+asO5wyrpUxuEStjVvZ!FmLh8sUf X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:40:45 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:40:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49922 John Garrison wrote in message <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net>... >Neil Franklin wrote: > >> That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien >> newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to >> make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. > >Hollywood ALWAYS does that. I won't mind a few changes because >realistically things have to change a little to go from massive book to >three movies. It's just a by-product of the conversion process. But >Hollywood always changes things way too much. Remember what the did to >Godzilla?! Thank god they got it right in Godzilla 2000. I swear I >almost cried when I saw that lizard iquana looking thing that they were >trying to pass of as Godzilla. It was disgraceful. >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into 3 >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? That hurts. ; ( Ah, but hey. I'll be the first in line to go see it. That 12 year old child in me will be sobbing with happiness to finally see her comforting old friends from the last days of childhood. ###### Message-ID: <39AB5B18.12AF@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:38:36 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-7MIhQxPohLK7kJEAWpvm8FStsRtOsz4w/qE2JaD0aof8EMJ54/oVKoRa+m76Udmxuf8iplNcUK0k9RK!QF2WA76ZrdW4vzqVSj4Nx65lR7o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:41:28 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49840 Neil Franklin wrote: > > "capuchin" writes: > > > John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... > > >capuchin wrote: > > > > > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and dwarves > > and > > >> stuff. > > Who wouldn't. From the sig block of one guy on a Tolkien NG: > > Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-Earth. > > > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) > > > > Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out next > > year? :o > > No, he is not funning you. > > There is an Lord of the Rings movie in the making by Peter Jackson > (Heavenly Creatures, etc). It is being made in New Zealand and is to > appear in the cinemas in 3 2-hour parts for Dec 2001, Dec 2002 and Dec > 2003. > > That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien > newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to > make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. > > [1] known or strongly suspected deviations are: > > - All the Old Forrest / Tom Bombadil / Barrow Downs stuff is out, > to save length. That one is official, it is actually (partially?) > being filmed and may be included in an "collectors version" on DVD > > - Glorfindel has been dropped to reduce characters, his role being > taken by Arwen, one of many changes to give her more presence > > - Arwen goes south together with the Elves coming from Rivendell to > help Aragorn, whether she replaces Elladan and Elrohir is unknown > > - The Help comes down _before_ the battle at Helms Deep, not after the > sacking of Isengard, there is therefore an Elven army fighting in > Helms Deep, including Arwen (jokingly called Arwenator because of > this). This one is fairly sure, as Liv Laylor (who is playing Arwen) > is reported to have broken her sword in an accident with a horse > > - newer rumours claim the PJ has not been pleased with performance of > Liv Taylor and may now be cutting back some of the scenes he > intended. Many are presently hoping on this to save the film > ACK! Heresy! :D ###### Message-ID: <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:39:42 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-6hnEGuOpx2gVFg7vFSh4f4V1/qXd76a5A2q3acYbNERS6RTpyRBEG8lDJnZDl9Ut7VNfmn2CvUfrurp!VeRgXpsM+xz4lno22H/qzUUPZSc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:42:35 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49850 capuchin wrote: > > John Garrison wrote in message <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net>... > >Neil Franklin wrote: > > > >> That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien > >> newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to > >> make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. > > > >Hollywood ALWAYS does that. I won't mind a few changes because > >realistically things have to change a little to go from massive book to > >three movies. It's just a by-product of the conversion process. But > >Hollywood always changes things way too much. Remember what the did to > >Godzilla?! Thank god they got it right in Godzilla 2000. I swear I > >almost cried when I saw that lizard iquana looking thing that they were > >trying to pass of as Godzilla. It was disgraceful. > >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into 3 > >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) > > But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? > > That hurts. ; ( > > Ah, but hey. I'll be the first in line to go see it. That 12 year old > child in me will be sobbing with happiness to finally see her comforting old > friends from the last days of childhood. Does PZ get to play the Balrog? ###### Message-ID: <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:41:04 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-zuJwNfdaq00xH3KP9gDlBI5BPg9F0kBOmToQQjForjjjiCYEPALanAQ8kMwPd6pmwuf3J0pmHUTxdoI!FrP6uxHzR5GulUQqEvDSW/qx7xs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:43:56 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49839 john_garrison@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article , > "capuchin" wrote: > > > > John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... > > >capuchin wrote: > > > > > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and > dwarves > > and > > >> stuff. > > > > > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) > > > > Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out > next > > Nope, not kidding, the movie is coming out as a trilogy over the next > three years. It has....gees, I can't think of his name, the guy that > played Professor Arturo in Sliders, John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. ###### Message-ID: <39AB62B1.26FA8135@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:13:53 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.198.143 X-Trace: firenze 967533437 209.8.198.143 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:17:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:17:17 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.online.be!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!206.246.194.3.MISMATCH!firenze!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49939 Janice wrote: > > john_garrison@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > In article , > > "capuchin" wrote: > > > > > > John Garrison wrote in message <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net>... > > > >capuchin wrote: > > > > > > > >> Would have loved a replication of Middle Earth, with hobbits and > > dwarves > > > and > > > >> stuff. > > > > > > > >Guess you'll have to wait for the movie next year, eh? :) > > > > > > Are you just funning me John ... or is there really a movie coming out > > next > > > > Nope, not kidding, the movie is coming out as a trilogy over the next > > three years. It has....gees, I can't think of his name, the guy that > > played Professor Arturo in Sliders, > > John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. Yep, thats it! I knew it sounded like that, (I also remembered the first name for obvious reasons) I had done a search on him at the internet movie database along with the other cast members of sliders just to find out their acting history about a month ago and saw the year 2003 as John's most recent film! The title was of course The Return of the King. He plays Gimli. ###### Message-ID: <39AB9A6B.26A4@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> <39AB62B1.26FA8135@visi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:08:46 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-TSXXG0mL28nC4mRTNGF1o5bSo+HgUQh8kthLP6h93B6J+4bcsC+mwFg6ufLEoNrpoBzNnzqPTHdd3kW!tdE97G5kVtykzay0hEfAKUt7Kcc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:11:39 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49843 John Garrison wrote: > > Janice wrote: > > > > John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. > > Yep, thats it! I knew it sounded like that, (I also remembered the first > name for obvious reasons) I had done a search on him at the internet > movie database along with the other cast members of sliders just to find > out their acting history about a month ago and saw the year 2003 as > John's most recent film! The title was of course The Return of the King. > He plays Gimli. He's a bit big for a dwarf, isn't he? :) Are they going to use special effects to shrink him down? ###### Message-ID: <39AC1732.ED14B952@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> <39AB62B1.26FA8135@visi.net> <39AB9A6B.26A4@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:04:02 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.8.198.143 X-Trace: firenze 967579645 209.8.198.143 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:07:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:07:25 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!206.246.194.3.MISMATCH!firenze!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49940 Janice wrote: > > John Garrison wrote: > > > > Janice wrote: > > > > > > John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. > > > > Yep, thats it! I knew it sounded like that, (I also remembered the first > > name for obvious reasons) I had done a search on him at the internet > > movie database along with the other cast members of sliders just to find > > out their acting history about a month ago and saw the year 2003 as > > John's most recent film! The title was of course The Return of the King. > > He plays Gimli. > > He's a bit big for a dwarf, isn't he? :) Are they going to use special > effects to shrink him down? He is rather big, I'm pretty sure they'll shrink him down. Unless the director or producer or somebody thinks that he has a better creative mind than Tolkien, like whatever Moron made that Leonardo/Claire Romeo and Juliet, or whatever genius decided to make Godzilla a big Iquana. ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:43:30 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.180.83 X-Trace: news3.atl 967582178 216.76.180.83 (Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:49:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:49:38 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49882 capuchin wrote in message ... : :Janice wrote in message <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net>... :>capuchin wrote: :>> :>> John Garrison wrote in message <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net>... :>> >Neil Franklin wrote: :>> > :>> >> That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien :>> >> newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to :>> >> make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. :>> > :>> >Hollywood ALWAYS does that. I won't mind a few changes because :>> >realistically things have to change a little to go from massive book to :>> >three movies. It's just a by-product of the conversion process. But :>> >Hollywood always changes things way too much. Remember what the did to :>> >Godzilla?! Thank god they got it right in Godzilla 2000. I swear I :>> >almost cried when I saw that lizard iquana looking thing that they were :>> >trying to pass of as Godzilla. It was disgraceful. :>> >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into 3 :>> >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) :>> :>> But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? :>> :>> That hurts. ; ( :>> :>> Ah, but hey. I'll be the first in line to go see it. That 12 year old :>> child in me will be sobbing with happiness to finally see her comforting :old :>> friends from the last days of childhood. :> :>Does PZ get to play the Balrog? : :If they're including the Hobbit, I kinda envisioned him as Smaug. : ) How bout Gollum? : : ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /bNDCzkkb9QhohX4PXfGa2IhXrIXG+otkW2+eKmzPqpq56ToEJHuwX7hHgqa8asIFJT9UhlRATdp!ZY0NG/a3/fLmdKLb7FyL2uYWZb1mR+Brc9swERssIrpq4oqP7iIFbI1Uk/HkjX56ckUAozPPvAdu!WZqquqA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:43:51 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:43:52 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49934 Janice wrote in message <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net>... >capuchin wrote: >> >> John Garrison wrote in message <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net>... >> >Neil Franklin wrote: >> > >> >> That said, the movie has been ripped to shreds on the Tolkien >> >> newsgroups on the base of reports [1] that he is bending the story to >> >> make it more to the taste of Hollywoods customers. >> > >> >Hollywood ALWAYS does that. I won't mind a few changes because >> >realistically things have to change a little to go from massive book to >> >three movies. It's just a by-product of the conversion process. But >> >Hollywood always changes things way too much. Remember what the did to >> >Godzilla?! Thank god they got it right in Godzilla 2000. I swear I >> >almost cried when I saw that lizard iquana looking thing that they were >> >trying to pass of as Godzilla. It was disgraceful. >> >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into 3 >> >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) >> >> But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? >> >> That hurts. ; ( >> >> Ah, but hey. I'll be the first in line to go see it. That 12 year old >> child in me will be sobbing with happiness to finally see her comforting old >> friends from the last days of childhood. > >Does PZ get to play the Balrog? If they're including the Hobbit, I kinda envisioned him as Smaug. : ) ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: 30 Aug 2000 01:26:40 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6u1yz7k5sf.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> <39AB62B1.26FA8135@visi.net> <39AB9A6B.26A4@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 967591600 459 10.0.3.2 (29 Aug 2000 23:26:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2000 23:26:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49953 Janice writes: > John Garrison wrote: > > > > Janice wrote: > > > > > > John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. > > > > He plays Gimli. > > He's a bit big for a dwarf, isn't he? :) Are they going to use special > effects to shrink him down? Yes. All dwarves and all hobbits are filmed in normal size and then shrunk to fitting size. Is today apparently easier than finding small sized actors. Hobbits are after all supposed to be in the 2-4ft size. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: 30 Aug 2000 01:49:14 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 60 Message-ID: <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 967592954 604 10.0.3.2 (29 Aug 2000 23:49:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2000 23:49:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49954 "lorz" writes: > capuchin wrote in message ... > : > :Janice wrote in message <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net>... > :>capuchin wrote: > :>> > :>> >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into > 3 > :>> >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) It is only the 3 books of LotR, no TH. > :>> But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? > :>> > :>> That hurts. ; ( Just like on the Tolkien groups. Some mourn his loss as the biggest problem, others could not care. > :>Does PZ get to play the Balrog? With or without wings? Oops. Wrong newsgroup for that joke. > :If they're including the Hobbit, I kinda envisioned him as Smaug. : ) :-) You may like the newsgroup as LotR parody: http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/lotrrabt.htm If LOTR were run like RABT And while we are there alse the Win95 ring joke: http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/win95.htm The Truth about Windows 95 > How bout Gollum? Creepy and repetitive? That would more be Annonym. Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play the "who in the group is who in the book" game. I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some usefull information and then vanishe again. Gildor? I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. Of course he would prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. Bart should make a good Elrond. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 70 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <6BZq5.1097$Nq.305805@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: +SWaIscTuea0DOWgZlapanOpcBnRyR/5ijZ6gZKoy5BVhORxZKxwqH+aSh1XMHnflC062p5w2g8l!3q4hOQQhmavXpXj/5YnB/0yko6FLpQNUBRl4XZ4dyCFwo9Kn+ZouG4OaBDq6wbEEMBrN4o0UNf2G!APQgvocw X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:39:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:39:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!znr.news.ans.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49984 Neil Franklin wrote in message <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>... >"lorz" writes: > >> capuchin wrote in message ... >> : >> :Janice wrote in message <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net>... >> :>capuchin wrote: >> :>> >> :>> >I always wondered how they are going to fit the Lord of the Rings into >> 3 >> :>> >movies, the prelude is a book unto itself (The Hobbit) > >It is only the 3 books of LotR, no TH. > > >> :>> But .. but .. like Neil said ... no Tom Bombadil? >> :>> >> :>> That hurts. ; ( > >Just like on the Tolkien groups. Some mourn his loss as the biggest >problem, others could not care. > > >> :>Does PZ get to play the Balrog? > >With or without wings? Oops. Wrong newsgroup for that joke. > > >> :If they're including the Hobbit, I kinda envisioned him as Smaug. : ) > >:-) > >You may like the newsgroup as LotR parody: > >http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/lotrrabt.htm If LOTR were run like RABT > >And while we are there alse the Win95 ring joke: > >http://www.speakeasy.org/~ohh/win95.htm The Truth about Windows 95 > > >> How bout Gollum? > >Creepy and repetitive? That would more be Annonym. Yessssssssss ... mosssssssst definitely! >Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play >the "who in the group is who in the book" game. > >I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some >usefull information and then vanishe again. Gildor? Perfect. >I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. Of course he would >prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. Now that's a good fit! >Bart should make a good Elrond. oooh! Absolutely!!! Elrond! Good job Neil! ###### Message-ID: <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:24:05 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-yh5qMWyjrgm3qR714y/W7iBVm1QMjOVBx50qiATAm/f1c4mjo3M7hH6kcRFY8iylpP5vf/ijBNtEKtl!FLWmRRX9GB7TxIwZtd+P519o2NY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:26:58 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49957 Neil Franklin wrote: > > Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play > the "who in the group is who in the book" game. > > I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some > usefull information and then vanishe again. Gildor? > > I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. Of course he would > prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. > > Bart should make a good Elrond. Do I get to be Galadriel? I'd pick Eowyn but I think Trish is more violent than I am. :) Lorene has to be Goldberry, the River's daughter. ###### Message-ID: <39AC9B62.7CD9@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <8oetl9$g93$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AB5BAC.4308@not-here.net> <39AB62B1.26FA8135@visi.net> <39AB9A6B.26A4@not-here.net> <6u1yz7k5sf.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:25:08 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Y1Vvq/G2A7QZLcXezoJ1xJar6asLI9ZN2CO0AUvchR6IhCyYm62ulT1Cz25iTn9MVWXRe/fg1jqdxr0!pdT+Z4nQO3m817SXI/4IR2+Z/y8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:28:02 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49965 Neil Franklin wrote: > > Janice writes: > > > John Garrison wrote: > > > > > > Janice wrote: > > > > > > > > John Rhys-Davies? I wonder in what part. > > > > > > He plays Gimli. > > > > He's a bit big for a dwarf, isn't he? :) Are they going to use special > > effects to shrink him down? > > Yes. All dwarves and all hobbits are filmed in normal size and then > shrunk to fitting size. Is today apparently easier than finding small > sized actors. Hobbits are after all supposed to be in the 2-4ft size. Cool. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: 30 Aug 2000 21:38:23 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6uitsi8rps.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 967664303 919 10.0.3.2 (30 Aug 2000 19:38:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 19:38:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:49999 Janice writes: > Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play > > the "who in the group is who in the book" game. > > > > I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some > > usefull information and then vanishe again. Gildor? > > > > I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. Of course he would > > prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. > > > > Bart should make a good Elrond. > > Do I get to be Galadriel? The style fits. > I'd pick Eowyn but I think Trish is more violent than I am. :) Definitely! > Lorene has to be Goldberry, the River's daughter. Also a good fit. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <3zer5.7623$vc4.43426@news3.atl> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:49:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.205 X-Trace: news3.atl 967669055 216.77.204.205 (Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:35 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50003 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message news:39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se... : Hi Neil, : : Neil Franklin wrote: : : > > How bout Gollum? : > : > Creepy and repetitive? That would more be Anonym. : : Or The One Not To Be Named (whose first name starts with the 7th letter, : and the second with the 8th)... : : PZ is more like Saruman. : : > Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play : > the "who in the group is who in the book" game. : : Fun! : : > I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some : > useful information and then vanishes again. Gildor? : : Ok. : : > I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. : : Right. Or perhaps Legolas. Unless someone else wants him. : : > Of course he would prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. : : Sure, but LoTR elves are fine too. : : > Bart should make a good Elrond. : : Absolutely! : : More suggestions: : ----------------- : Bruce - Aragorn (but perhaps he“d like to be Faramir instead ;-) : Janice - Galadriel (so she gets to remain queen ;-) : Lorene - Goldberry : Trish - Eowyn : John G - Merry perhaps? : : ? - Gandalf how bout Pat (Haunter) as Gandalf? : ? - Frodo : ? - Sam : ? - Pippin : etc... : : > Neil Franklin : : See you out there... : : /Gunnar : : : --------------------- : - Question Authority! : - Yeah, Says Who? : --------------------- ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:52:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.205 X-Trace: news3.atl 967669206 216.77.204.205 (Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:06 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50004 Janice wrote in message news:39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net... : Neil Franklin wrote: : > : > Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play : > the "who in the group is who in the book" game. : > : > I will take one of the elves that seldomly appear and give some : > usefull information and then vanishe again. Gildor? : > : > I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. Of course he would : > prefer to be one of the Elfquest Elves. : > : > Bart should make a good Elrond. : : Do I get to be Galadriel? : : I'd pick Eowyn but I think Trish is more violent than I am. :) : : Lorene has to be Goldberry, the River's daughter. Oh cool! Water.. yep that's me! ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 70 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: +SWaIpBOOIKhDbNe+8qxVu9s7d96QOiI6PLsXAv1eVJ7VKL40P3GJsOpzBk+VsQ0TBl29M8z6Wuq!4wGaJ+Jdumkh6r66k7Z/25v1F6KGGFQ40h825g+diiknGXhj4iZcKp7y8cN20uLAHXxUiuPMDnBc!c1dPdm+hlLA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:49:10 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:49:12 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50026 lorz wrote in message ... > >lorz wrote in message ... >: >:Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se>... >::Hi Janice, >:: >::Janice wrote: >:: >::> Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) >:: >::That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P >:: >::> His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. >:: >::Yeah, that“s what I thought too. >:: >::> > PZ is more like Saruman. >::> >::> Nah, he's the Balrog, >:: >::Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of >::Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. >:: >::> I tell ya, or even Sauron. >:: >::No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, >::impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it is >::James Randi. ;-) >:: >::(I don“t really believe that Mr Randi is the Great Evil behind any Vast >::Skeptic Conspiracy. ;-) The above is just for the sake of argument.) >:: >::> Let Doc be Saruman. >:: >::No, Doc is more grumpy than bad. He is more like, say, Denethor. >:: >::> > Bruce - Aragorn (but perhaps he“d like to be Faramir instead ;-) >::> >::> I 'spect he would. Actually I think TienYen would make a better >::> Aragorn. >:: >::Yeah, that“s right. >:: >::> > Janice - Galadriel (so she gets to remain queen ;-) >::> >::> No doubt Haunter will volunteer for Celeborn. :) >:: >::Wasn“t Haunter Gandalf? And Jay Celeborn? >:: >::See you out there... >:: >::/Gunnar >: >:Haha too funny. Yes Haunter is Gandalf and Jay is Celeborn. That's more >:fitting! >: > >How bout Frodo though, someone has to be Frodo! > >John Garrison? >or >Billy? >Oh wait maybe Rick (b4midnight) ! I think Billy is a good Frodo. ###### From: "Eowyn" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> <6uitsi8rps.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AE81DB.60FE@not-here.net> <39AE8834.AFDE786E@algonet. se> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /Kp2lrNpjTE3tfk5XvjXev8LvDwWd9xnba/+DOiQ8mWZiQDgLaEprTLMNzTq5qiUn42BVqHuHzDU!ahUAev90+lqk71FMntTCzjkeaTaST3mBVd0iCO1AAMhQsmmYSPauE5JVhhX3nCXo4u7muBfKIMfc!ZHLP8a6n550= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:51:28 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:51:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50027 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message <39AE8834.AFDE786E@algonet.se>... >Janice wrote: > >> Well, that puts a big dent in the few female characters. Who's left, >> Arwen and Sam's wife Rose? > >Well, we have a few not so nice females, like Lobelia >Sackville-Baggins... > >and Shelob of course... > >Any takers? ;-P Ok. Let it be written, and let it be known ... I absolutely refuse to be a Sackville-Baggins. Uh-uh. : ) Now I wouldn't mind being an understudy to a male part. In high school I played one of the baseball players for 'Damn Yankees' ... and I didn't do half bad. : ) ###### From: "Eowyn" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> <6uitsi8rps.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AE81DB.60FE@not-here.net> <39AE8834.AFDE786E@algonet. se> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /Kp2lrNpjTE3tfk5XvjXev8LvDwWd9xnba/+DOiQ8mWZiQDgLaEprTLMNzTq5qiUn42BVqHuHzDU!ahUAev90+lqk71FMntTCzjkeaTaST3mBVd0iCO1AAMhQsmmYSPauE5JVhhX3nCXo4u7muBfKIMfc!ZHLP8a6n550= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:51:28 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:51:28 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50027 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message <39AE8834.AFDE786E@algonet.se>... >Janice wrote: > >> Well, that puts a big dent in the few female characters. Who's left, >> Arwen and Sam's wife Rose? > >Well, we have a few not so nice females, like Lobelia >Sackville-Baggins... > >and Shelob of course... > >Any takers? ;-P Ok. Let it be written, and let it be known ... I absolutely refuse to be a Sackville-Baggins. Uh-uh. : ) Now I wouldn't mind being an understudy to a male part. In high school I played one of the baseball players for 'Damn Yankees' ... and I didn't do half bad. : ) ###### From: "Simon Kristoffersson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: SV: SOME interesting posts Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:57:47 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8ojouf$6mr$1@cubacola.tninet.se> References: <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu174-241.ppp.algonet.se X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 967665423 6875 195.163.241.174 (30 Aug 2000 19:57:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Aug 2000 19:57:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50014 Hi! I have not posted for some time. But Sam is short for Simon sort of and I like the character. > > I nominate Gunnar Warrior/Elf ranger as Glorfindel. > More suggestions: > ----------------- > Bruce - Aragorn (but perhaps he“d like to be Faramir instead ;-) > Janice - Galadriel (so she gets to remain queen ;-) > Lorene - Goldberry > Trish - Eowyn > John G - Merry perhaps? > > ? - Gandalf > ? - Frodo > ? - Sam I like the Sam name. Im fond of him. Simon ###### From: Sherilyn <582@sherilyn.org.uk> Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:50:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8omufp$v3g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <399A3116.5BBD@not-here.net> <399a7d5f$0$151$39368dfe@news.twtelecom.net> <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.188.130.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 01 00:50:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.188.130.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsutrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50098 In article <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: [...] > > Cool. There are in this group so many Tolkien fans that we can play > the "who in the group is who in the book" game. I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan, more a bemused bystander--some of the ideas are pretty good, but the man desperately needed a good editor. If I had to be a Tolkien character, I guess I'd opt for Farmer Giles' of Ham's dog, Garm. It's the least ambitious of the Tolkien stories I've read to date, and by far the funniest. -- Email handle is time-encoded to foil spammers. Use recent handles only. Filter on domain name only. http://www.sherilyn.org.uk/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Message-ID: <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399AE6EF.F92@not-here.net> <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:27:16 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-177RcVl5RymDtywUUSPlQ3Zaa1mPpMdFJrg7/50IVjp7XaR9z4pJfl3e6YIItgrP8kEd0pj/t7DbVS+!rEqNoerK48mvJVjDNaUNFcE7gJE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:30:13 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50052 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > > Hi Janice, > > Janice wrote: > > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) > > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P > > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > > Yeah, that“s what I thought too. > > > > PZ is more like Saruman. > > > > Nah, he's the Balrog, > > Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of > Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. The Witch King was also the chief Nazgul, right? That would be good. > > I tell ya, or even Sauron. > > No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, > impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it is > James Randi. ;-) OK, works for me. > (I don“t really believe that Mr Randi is the Great Evil behind any Vast > Skeptic Conspiracy. ;-) The above is just for the sake of argument.) > > > Let Doc be Saruman. > > No, Doc is more grumpy than bad. He is more like, say, Denethor. > > > > Bruce - Aragorn (but perhaps he“d like to be Faramir instead ;-) > > > > I 'spect he would. Actually I think TienYen would make a better > > Aragorn. > > Yeah, that“s right. > > > > Janice - Galadriel (so she gets to remain queen ;-) > > > > No doubt Haunter will volunteer for Celeborn. :) > > Wasn“t Haunter Gandalf? And Jay Celeborn? Not until a later post. :) ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw Lines: 33 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:50:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.116.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 967773053 206.146.116.49 (Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:50:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:50:53 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!myers Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50157 In article <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net>, Janice wrote: > Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > > > > Hi Janice, > > > > Janice wrote: > > > > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) > > > > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P > > > > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > > > > Yeah, that“s what I thought too. > > > > > > PZ is more like Saruman. > > > > > > Nah, he's the Balrog, > > > > Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of > > Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. > > The Witch King was also the chief Nazgul, right? That would be good. I think you're all way off. Consider me the Excession, from Iain Banks' novel of the same name -- I'm a character from a completely different book, from a whole 'nother universe, from the one you guys are populating. -- PZ Myers ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: +r2abgKVVBe6jNZRCXBBXrPM97+dBNeTySdjbf5i7Il5AWRNdhrABvCuF0DEOA26L6WqM+SfiVoO!tHtiYXYsV3yPvatXPncXltfEZsSYW4X1wMPKCwSIEMO+F+COB41eL/DhrUfzZ/Sk0LNaKw52nCYN!+ch7MLAKaTA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:06:08 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:06:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50155 PZ Myers wrote in message ... >In article <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net>, Janice >wrote: > >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >> > >> > Hi Janice, >> > >> > Janice wrote: >> > >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) >> > >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P >> > >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. >> > >> > Yeah, that“s what I thought too. >> > >> > > > PZ is more like Saruman. >> > > >> > > Nah, he's the Balrog, >> > >> > Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of >> > Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. >> >> The Witch King was also the chief Nazgul, right? That would be good. > >I think you're all way off. Consider me the Excession, from Iain Banks' >novel of the same name -- I'm a character from a completely different >book, from a whole 'nother universe, from the one you guys are >populating. > >-- >PZ Myers Fine by me. But you're the one who keeps opening our book. Are we amusing ... or, are you? ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Distribution: world References: <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw Lines: 56 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:18:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.116.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 967774725 206.146.116.49 (Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:18:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:18:45 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!myers Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50158 In article , "capuchin" wrote: > PZ Myers wrote in message ... > >In article <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net>, Janice > >wrote: > > > >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Janice, > >> > > >> > Janice wrote: > >> > > >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) > >> > > >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P > >> > > >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > >> > > >> > Yeah, that“s what I thought too. > >> > > >> > > > PZ is more like Saruman. > >> > > > >> > > Nah, he's the Balrog, > >> > > >> > Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of > >> > Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. > >> > >> The Witch King was also the chief Nazgul, right? That would be good. > > > >I think you're all way off. Consider me the Excession, from Iain Banks' > >novel of the same name -- I'm a character from a completely different > >book, from a whole 'nother universe, from the one you guys are > >populating. > > > >-- > >PZ Myers > > Fine by me. But you're the one who keeps opening our book. Are we > amusing > ... or, are you? That's why the Excession is so appropriate -- it's about a machine intelligence that intrudes itself on the universe, triggering a rather frantic milling about by a civilization trying to understand its motivations and abilities...and constantly getting it wrong. It's an "out of context" problem, and your guesses (like that it is 'amusing') don't even touch on the appropriate referents. Although, I'm afraid, the analogy breaks down quickly: I don't find the culture of alt.out-of-body at all comparable to the Culture of Iain Banks -- the Culture is the closest approximation to my personal Utopia that I've found in any kind of literature. -- PZ Myers ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 66 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: +Lz3Y8s7QgY4K1oyBcTK8wEoqQrg8X/gI9K5V85fUTx3GpNGehseAwt8XkQJMWlam+R813Q5G9zm!0Xbpm16FkhoBg410Wt3EWzqB22cWcCylApg4bnFyhtGpQyYeyn8Uf2Uzj2K+eccKe+DGvAUSeFiq!m5UdY1rdVkk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:44:45 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:44:46 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50156 PZ Myers wrote in message ... >In article , "capuchin" > wrote: > >> PZ Myers wrote in message ... >> >In article <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net>, Janice >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi Janice, >> >> > >> >> > Janice wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) >> >> > >> >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P >> >> > >> >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. >> >> > >> >> > Yeah, that“s what I thought too. >> >> > >> >> > > > PZ is more like Saruman. >> >> > > >> >> > > Nah, he's the Balrog, >> >> > >> >> > Not really IMO; too spectacular. Maybe he could be the Witch King of >> >> > Angmar, but I still think Saruman is the best fit. >> >> >> >> The Witch King was also the chief Nazgul, right? That would be good. >> > >> >I think you're all way off. Consider me the Excession, from Iain Banks' >> >novel of the same name -- I'm a character from a completely different >> >book, from a whole 'nother universe, from the one you guys are >> >populating. >> > >> >-- >> >PZ Myers >> >> Fine by me. But you're the one who keeps opening our book. Are we >> amusing >> ... or, are you? > >That's why the Excession is so appropriate -- it's about a machine >intelligence that intrudes itself on the universe, triggering a rather >frantic milling about by a civilization trying to understand its >motivations and abilities...and constantly getting it wrong. It's an >"out of context" problem, and your guesses (like that it is 'amusing') >don't even touch on the appropriate referents. Well it's always good to know when I'm wrong. >Although, I'm afraid, the analogy breaks down quickly: I don't find the >culture of alt.out-of-body at all comparable to the Culture of Iain >Banks -- the Culture is the closest approximation to my personal Utopia >that I've found in any kind of literature. That's insightful. Sounds like it would offer a different type of perspective .. which is always interesting. Specifically the intrusion part. You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Distribution: world References: <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:05:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.116.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 967777546 206.146.116.49 (Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:05:46 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:05:46 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!myers Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50154 In article , "capuchin" wrote: [snip] > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged with the flaming lash. -- PZ Myers ###### Message-ID: <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:49:02 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-wme/xG6cwnoSdkslFAf6ZSkINyZWBLpnErr4KQOw6deyI/+E2b/9cKt0F4mM2PZwwwyjuzrnvtt7nBH!Xfzit+P4P7BhV7GQ0Gi3Pao7Vvk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:51:59 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50055 PZ Myers wrote: > > In article , "capuchin" > wrote: > > [snip] > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. > > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged > with the flaming lash. Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing. ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:14:18 -0500 Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-002.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw, Janice wrote: > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > In article , "capuchin" > > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. > > > > > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged > > with the flaming lash. > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. -- PZ Myers ###### Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts From: spnak@petitmorte.net (jfred) Message-ID: <1eg9uqb.ew9ob21sj24jkN%spnak@petitmorte.net> References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF2780.4AEC@not-here.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=95?= Think Different User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.5 Lines: 26 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:40:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.215.9.71 X-Trace: news1.atl 967812016 209.215.9.71 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:40:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:40:16 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!spnak Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50032 Janice wrote: > Janice wrote: > > > > Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > > > > > > Hi Janice, > > > > > > Janice wrote: > > > > > > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) > > > > > > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P > > > > > > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > > Oh, and in that case Anonym could be Wormtongue instead. > > Perhaps Jfred would care to be Shelob, a creature of poison and > entrapping webs. ;) Harumph! ;) -- jfred Habent Abdenda Omnes Praeter Me ac Simiam Meam ###### Message-ID: <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:41:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-hM092AdVmduIQJNcouCWQFXkgeDbVC3pl0ERSMGbKQke/A/0bnvjrqFygLERMu6RN+mzLcE7M0rAW+y!ArVpen95RxzprhPt2fS5T+by/IM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:44:15 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!blackbush.xlink.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50053 PZ Myers wrote: > > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > wrote: > > > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > > > In article , "capuchin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. > > > > > > > > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged > > > with the flaming lash. > > > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:31:42 -0500 Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-887.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw, Janice wrote: > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > > wrote: > > > > > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > In article , > > > > "capuchin" wrote: > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be > > > > scourged with the flaming lash. > > > > > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > > > > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > > Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? Who said anything about punishment? See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? -- PZ Myers ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /bCCZFSda3QrqrAmv2BOG9d3P3EoEFmXCmPvGNHse0f2buzN9NIN9nwgZmLHmSA9zOAr05ua8oAw!5HudRQ5a90u6UtBMEhiLvspqHq9zV5hiQmByiLnpGLAnaiktJnKRJ/AAo8ReIo/BqiEbjmlD645L!/o5iiw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:36:38 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:36:38 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!HSNX.atgi.net!news-in.nibble.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50138 Janice wrote in message <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>... >PZ Myers wrote: >> >> In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice >> wrote: >> >> > PZ Myers wrote: >> > > >> > > In article , "capuchin" >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > [snip] >> > > >> > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. >> > > > >> > > >> > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged >> > > with the flaming lash. Don't suppose I'll see that happen anytime soon. >> > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing >> >> What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > >Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? Not at all Janice. At least, not IMO. : ) ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /b/VKXML+4TN1SbWx6+Nq9Fy0rDk+lq+4zpIOLLh2wlsXV1gCGvJvGmKbUUVDYYsfsM6OJUEehyz!32yIMw74ZjiiMzUQMh0queFw1QMWxv65tTTm1gzsWlRG89YXaWphfUGyvQnmrpJ5bI7KZPHwUrKR!l6f93Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:48:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:48:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50146 PZ Myers wrote in message ... >In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice >wrote: > >> PZ Myers wrote: >> > >> > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice >> > wrote: >> > >> > > PZ Myers wrote: >> > > > >> > > > In article , >> > > > "capuchin" wrote: >> > > > >> > > > [snip] >> > > > >> > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor >> > > > > us. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be >> > > > scourged with the flaming lash. >> > > >> > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing >> > >> > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. >> >> Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? > >Who said anything about punishment? > >See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? I suppose there's a certain absolution in being perpetually misunderstood. (whoops .. there I go. Extrapolating again.) ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:05:47 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.13 X-Trace: news4.atl 967821138 216.77.204.13 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:12:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:12:18 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50082 PZ Myers wrote in message ... :In article , "capuchin" : wrote: : :[snip] : :> You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. :> : :"Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged :with the flaming lash. : Hey it's our misunderstood world so we get to say what's what and YOU are the Balrog dammit! I'm back in the river now. ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /KHlxNQi3Sfex2Oc+6fOXFeZzctEET+dE/gBcigHYVpE7L9Fns2T5e4ranmNhWNV3gJ0Ug1dOdDx!oQHv2PTYnZPzC3DsiyiNc3UZG0LvOm5jgCrpPcpNieeczWMSazA9rKIFdwxrx4fEWzKGSVporr6R!8v9ykg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:17:26 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:17:26 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50142 lorz wrote in message ... > >PZ Myers wrote in message ... >:In article , "capuchin" >: wrote: >: >:[snip] >: >:> You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. >:> >: >:"Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged >:with the flaming lash. >: > > >Hey it's our misunderstood world so we get to say what's what and YOU are >the Balrog dammit! > > I'm back in the river now. Attagirl!! Hey wait. Did you just step on his foot and run? ; ) ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:21:26 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <39AFD786.841437A1@algonet.se> References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu133-252.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 967825390 20363 195.163.252.133 (1 Sep 2000 16:23:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2000 16:23:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50065 Hi Janice, Janice wrote: > The Witch King was also the chief Nazgūl, right? That would be good. Yes, he was. > > No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, > > impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it > > is James Randi. ;-) > > OK, works for me. Good. It is set then. ;-) > > Wasn“t Haunter Gandalf? And Jay Celeborn? > > Not until a later post. :) Yup. See you out there... /Gunnar --------------------- - Question Authority! - Yeah, Says Who? --------------------- ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:21:34 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 27 Message-ID: <39AFD78E.5A300F63@algonet.se> References: <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AC9B22.7477@not-here.net> <6uitsi8rps.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AE81DB.60FE@not-here.net> <39AE8834.AFDE786E@algonet. se> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu133-252.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 967825397 20363 195.163.252.133 (1 Sep 2000 16:23:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2000 16:23:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50067 Hi Trish, Eowyn wrote: > Ok. Let it be written, and let it be known ... I absolutely refuse to > be a Sackville-Baggins. Uh-uh. : ) ROTFL!!! :-D > Now I wouldn't mind being an understudy to a male part. In high > school I played one of the baseball players for 'Damn Yankees' ... > and I didn't do half bad. : ) Cool, but I don“t think there“s any need for that. Eowyn suits you well. :-) Just remember she killed the Witch King... See you out there... /Gunnar --------------------- - Question Authority! - Yeah, Says Who? --------------------- ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <2ZRr5.6377$Xm3.72959@news1.atl> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:41:18 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.80 X-Trace: news1.atl 967830462 216.77.204.80 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:47:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:47:42 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50073 capuchin wrote in message ... : :lorz wrote in message ... :> :>PZ Myers wrote in message ... :>:In article , "capuchin" :>: wrote: :>: :>:[snip] :>: :>:> You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor us. :>:> :>: :>:"Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be scourged :>:with the flaming lash. :>: :> :> :>Hey it's our misunderstood world so we get to say what's what and YOU are :>the Balrog dammit! :> :> I'm back in the river now. : : :Attagirl!! : :Hey wait. Did you just step on his foot and run? ; ) Eh, I just tugged on his wings a little :Ž ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AFD786.841437A1@algonet.se> <39AFEDFD.60C2@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_6Sr5.6394$Xm3.72943@news1.atl> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:51:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.204.80 X-Trace: news1.atl 967831098 216.77.204.80 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:58:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:58:18 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50075 Janice wrote in message <39AFEDFD.60C2@not-here.net>... :Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: :> :> Hi Janice, :> :> Janice wrote: :> :> > The Witch King was also the chief Nazgūl, right? That would be good. :> :> Yes, he was. :> :> > > No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, :> > > impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it :> > > is James Randi. ;-) :> > :> > OK, works for me. :> :> Good. It is set then. ;-) : :Oh, by the way, how many of you were squirming and shouting a few weeks :ago when Randi's name came up on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? :-) I must have missed that one. He was one of the choices hm? ###### Message-ID: <39AFED69.857@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:51:55 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-urXkSx6qUe4MSRk/jXygCUn5aMParU3FMw1OX0TDI6+dUtR2GGdNTpfEynyM6kqU1Wl5clv5HoMqXT5!8vBmAYR1aPMWinNZzR5tufqZtKY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:54:49 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50030 PZ Myers wrote: > > In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice > wrote: > > > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > > > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > > > wrote: > > > > > > > PZ Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article , > > > > > "capuchin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be > > > > > scourged with the flaming lash. > > > > > > > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > > > > > > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > > > > Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? > > Who said anything about punishment? > > See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? There's an alternative connotation to "scourging"? ###### Message-ID: <39AFEDFD.60C2@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AFD786.841437A1@algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:54:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-Ad76Vh9uYubAOe9exxKFziJ6e8kQQb2C2oobhjlW8aDy5oYziKCS98iXUrySCIBpRI/9K7NWCRiICzR!3o2u2AInIPtW6hD650ZAhwetups= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:57:17 -0400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50064 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > > Hi Janice, > > Janice wrote: > > > The Witch King was also the chief Nazgūl, right? That would be good. > > Yes, he was. > > > > No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, > > > impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it > > > is James Randi. ;-) > > > > OK, works for me. > > Good. It is set then. ;-) Oh, by the way, how many of you were squirming and shouting a few weeks ago when Randi's name came up on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? :-) ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:04:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.188.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 967846117 206.31.188.94 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:08:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:08:37 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!newsengine.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50101 capuchin wrote in message news:slPr5.782$x85.72046@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > PZ Myers wrote in message ... > >In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice > >wrote: > > > >> PZ Myers wrote: > >> > > >> > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > PZ Myers wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > In article , > >> > > > "capuchin" wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > [snip] > >> > > > > >> > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor > >> > > > > us. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be > >> > > > scourged with the flaming lash. > >> > > > >> > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > >> > > >> > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > >> > >> Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? > > > >Who said anything about punishment? > > > >See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? > > > I suppose there's a certain absolution in being perpetually misunderstood. > (whoops .. there I go. Extrapolating again.) > Extra-polating?????? ;) BDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBD > ###### From: "capuchin" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 56 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <1fXr5.1480$x85.262647@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: +4QiDBaNV2BpPlbqmgK9wvJgBAZqW24Bx1/FtAawcoraC1DUav9Bqy7TRiBfEezDAi2C/iG502AE!juW13M4evDL4KabcBZob5gtxvdte/ZUjF+AksxcSqZkav8YzKDkJ3LmFwUuJ8btitFw3NSjYbhxh!iuQxV1G24g== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:48:13 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:48:14 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50150 B.D. Yager wrote in message ... > >capuchin wrote in message >news:slPr5.782$x85.72046@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... >> >> PZ Myers wrote in message ... >> >In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice >> >wrote: >> > >> >> PZ Myers wrote: >> >> > >> >> > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > PZ Myers wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > In article , >> >> > > > "capuchin" wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > [snip] >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor >> >> > > > > us. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be >> >> > > > scourged with the flaming lash. >> >> > > >> >> > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing >> >> > >> >> > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. >> >> >> >> Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? >> > >> >Who said anything about punishment? >> > >> >See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? >> >> >> I suppose there's a certain absolution in being perpetually misunderstood. >> (whoops .. there I go. Extrapolating again.) >> > > >Extra-polating?????? ;) > >BDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBD Yep sweetheart. Extra-polating. : ) (Hmmm ... wonder where I got that one?) ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> <1fXr5.1480$x85.262647@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 71 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:01:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.188.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 967853097 206.31.188.4 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:04:57 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:04:57 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50106 capuchin wrote in message news:1fXr5.1480$x85.262647@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > > B.D. Yager wrote in message ... > > > >capuchin wrote in message > >news:slPr5.782$x85.72046@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net... > >> > >> PZ Myers wrote in message ... > >> >In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> PZ Myers wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > PZ Myers wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > In article , > >> >> > > > "capuchin" wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > [snip] > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor > >> >> > > > > us. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be > >> >> > > > scourged with the flaming lash. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > >> >> > > >> >> > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > >> >> > >> >> Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? > >> > > >> >Who said anything about punishment? > >> > > >> >See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? > >> > >> > >> I suppose there's a certain absolution in being perpetually > misunderstood. > >> (whoops .. there I go. Extrapolating again.) > >> > > > > > >Extra-polating?????? ;) > > > >BDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBDBD > > > Yep sweetheart. Extra-polating. : ) > > (Hmmm ... wonder where I got that one?) > hehehehe... (I'm not telling....) ;) B.D. > ###### From: "Lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AFD786.841437A1@algonet.se> <39AFEDFD.60C2@not-here.net> <_6Sr5.6394$Xm3.72943@news1.atl> <39B011B7.3DF4@not-here.net> <39B10F0E.30E@not-here.net> Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:17:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.180.202 X-Trace: news4.atl 967922738 216.76.180.202 (Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:25:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:25:38 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50094 Janice wrote in message news:39B10F0E.30E@not-here.net... : Janice wrote: : > : > lorz wrote: : > > : > > Janice wrote in message <39AFEDFD.60C2@not-here.net>... : > > :Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: : > > :> : > > :> Hi Janice, : > > :> : > > :> Janice wrote: : > > :> : > > :> > The Witch King was also the chief Nazgūl, right? That would be good. : > > :> : > > :> Yes, he was. : > > :> : > > :> > > No way, Sauron isn“t really a character in LoTR, just a distant, : > > :> > > impersonal all-pervading evil. If anyone has to be Sauron, I say it : > > :> > > is James Randi. ;-) : > > :> > : > > :> > OK, works for me. : > > :> : > > :> Good. It is set then. ;-) : > > : : > > :Oh, by the way, how many of you were squirming and shouting a few weeks : > > :ago when Randi's name came up on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? :-) : > > : > > I must have missed that one. He was one of the choices hm? : > : > Yes, the question was basically this: "James Randi has a fund that will : > award a million dollars to the first person to provide evidence for : > what?" with the choices "UFO abductions," "paranormal phenomena," "cure : > for cancer," and something else I've forgotten now. The person chose : > "cure for cancer" which I thought was a strange choice because we : > usually speak of "finding" a cure for cancer" not "providing evidence : > for" a cure for cancer. : : Oh, I think the other choice was "life on Mars." wow That is odd they wouldn't have thought of paranormal or UFO abductions. Sheese even life on Mars makes more sense. Oh well guess the guy choked? ###### From: PZ Myers Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 17:40:50 -0500 Organization: Nailbunny's Hammer Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net> <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net> <8oruvj$1ak8@edrn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-541.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/myers/ X-Face: .k!7leh{iTz*Ah$8`'u'O$.4Z9+jOYL|yvi39v4fL-Un]RqYdDRAg*#o{3f|Mkzf8+}'2AmMD7_7`BM/X]H1nvmSDn*M0vfiwKn^3R[Kr_o*'>L@wBpFy>X&moPw, Sherilyn <582@sherilyn.org.uk> wrote: > In article , PZ says... > > > >In article <39AFA49F.6585@not-here.net>, Janice > >wrote: > > > >> PZ Myers wrote: > >> > > >> > In article <39AF27DF.430B@not-here.net>, Janice > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > PZ Myers wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > In article , > >> > > > "capuchin" wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > [snip] > >> > > > > >> > > > > You'd still make a good Balrog though. Tough cookies. Humor > >> > > > > us. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "Tough cookies"? Trifle with me, and you'll be the first to be > >> > > > scourged with the flaming lash. > >> > > > >> > > Only trouble is, she likes that kind of thing > >> > > >> > What's the trouble with that? So do I, as you well know. > >> > >> Well, it kind of detracts from the punishment value, don't you think? > > > >Who said anything about punishment? > > > >See what I mean about people misinterpreting alien goals and values? > > > Ah, so at least you picked up _some_ culture back east. > I like to think that *I* brought culture to the uncivilized east, not vice versa. -- PZ Myers ###### From: evnshli@nevermind.net (eve nshali) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:18:08 GMT Message-ID: <39b619ba.15863728@news.dingoblue.net.au> References: <399D1E91.59F8@not-here.net> <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF2780.4AEC@not-here.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.142.152.96 X-Trace: 968235541 news01.syd.optusnet.com.au 26536 198.142.152.96 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news1.mpx.com.au.MISMATCH!news01.syd.optusnet.com.au!nnrp01.syd.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50369 On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:50:24 -0400, Janice wrote: >Janice wrote: >> >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >> > >> > Hi Janice, >> > >> > Janice wrote: >> > >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) >> > >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P >> > >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > >Oh, and in that case Anonym could be Wormtongue instead. > >Perhaps Jfred would care to be Shelob, a creature of poison and >entrapping webs. ;) Sounds more like "Sherilyn". ###### From: evnshli@nevermind.net (eve nshali) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:44:37 GMT Message-ID: <39b94f3b.2591426@news.dingoblue.net.au> References: <39A020C5.D4E7542D@Home.com> <39A0922F.259A@not-here.net> <8o7a8h$s3o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF2780.4AEC@not-here.net> <39b619ba.15863728@news.dingoblue.net.au> <39B672E7.18F1@not-here.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.142.152.92 X-Trace: 968445926 news01.syd.optusnet.com.au 26524 198.142.152.92 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news1.mpx.com.au.MISMATCH!news01.syd.optusnet.com.au!nnrp01.syd.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50440 On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:37:59 -0400, Janice wrote: >eve nshali wrote: >> >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:50:24 -0400, Janice >> wrote: >> >> >Janice wrote: >> >> >> >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi Janice, >> >> > >> >> > Janice wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) >> >> > >> >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P >> >> > >> >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. >> > >> >Oh, and in that case Anonym could be Wormtongue instead. >> > >> >Perhaps Jfred would care to be Shelob, a creature of poison and >> >entrapping webs. ;) >> >> Sounds more like "Sherilyn". > >Hm, there is the spelling component. :) But then Jfred would have to be >Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, Rose, or baby Elanor - not nearly as much fun >if you ask me. :) I guess the ball's in Jfred's court, though I wonder if people must comply to their gender in taking characters. Ya see, I'd like to be one of the male elves... ###### Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: SOME interesting posts From: spnak@petitmorte.net (jfred) Message-ID: <1egnh62.1ew37hhfw8kgfN%spnak@petitmorte.net> References: <8o7dq1$ket$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <39A7AF3D.382A@not-here.net> <39A88FF0.760F@not-here.net> <8a8q5.126$g%3.25190@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> <39A96197.3256@not-here.net> <39A98D5C.4F304AB3@visi.net> <6u7l9156oa.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AAFB4E.9FD8FAE8@visi.net> <39AB5B5B.7BC7@not-here.net> <6uya1fiq6d.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <39AD321C.5E0F65AF@algonet.se> <39AE7F5E.235D@not-here.net> <39AE8856.5990A204@algonet.se> <39AF06A5.1BE6@not-here.net> <39AF2780.4AEC@not-here.net> <39b619ba.15863728@news.dingoblue.net.au> <39B672E7.18F1@not-here.net> <39b94f3b.2591426@news.dingoblue.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=95?= Think Different User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4.5 Lines: 48 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:26:54 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.215.9.73 X-Trace: news2.atl 968448422 209.215.9.73 (Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:27:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:27:02 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out3.f.gtn.com!news-in2.f.gtn.com!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news2.atl.POSTED!spnak Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:50463 eve nshali wrote: > On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:37:59 -0400, Janice > wrote: > > >eve nshali wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:50:24 -0400, Janice > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Janice wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi Janice, > >> >> > > >> >> > Janice wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > Can't invoke the dreaded Name, now can we. ;) > >> >> > > >> >> > That“s the reason for the contorted reference, yes... ;-P > >> >> > > >> >> > > His one-track mind would work well with Gollum. > >> > > >> >Oh, and in that case Anonym could be Wormtongue instead. > >> > > >> >Perhaps Jfred would care to be Shelob, a creature of poison and > >> >entrapping webs. ;) > >> > >> Sounds more like "Sherilyn". > > > >Hm, there is the spelling component. :) But then Jfred would have to be > >Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, Rose, or baby Elanor - not nearly as much fun > >if you ask me. :) > > I guess the ball's in Jfred's court, though I wonder if people must > comply to their gender in taking characters. Ya see, I'd like to be > one of the male elves... I'm leaving casting to the experts until I've had a chance to review my Tolkien. It's been a while -- TOO long. Once the cool, snuggle-up-in-a-cozy-blanket-by-the-fire weather arrives, I'm hoping to start rereading the whole series in anticipation of next year's movie release. -- jfred Habent Abdenda Omnes Praeter Me ac Simiam Meam