From: "Jerry_31060" Subject: Dowsing (Another OT Post, Wheeeee!) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:06:06 -0500 Lines: 85 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust143.tnt41.dfw5.da.uu.net 63.10.125.143 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp.flash.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:48540 Being a recollection of an early experience with divination borne of desperation and done rather hastily. I was running five miles a night to keep up my fitness and I lost my key. The course I ran was one mile around a small park but there was neither moon nor streetlight. The path is a dirt trail, surrounded by leaves and grass. I searched for what seemed like hours in the area where I thought I had lost the key before giving up. I spent an hour forcing a window with a knife borrowed from a neighbor. When I had regained entry into my room, I drew a map of the course on a large sheet of construction paper that I had been using as background for tatwa card visualization exercises. I got my copper dowsing rods out and framed the question: "Where did I drop my key? Move to form a line when you draw even with its position as represented by this map." Normally, I tie my key into my shoelace when I run because otherwise it will be shaken out of the front pocket of an Army PT uniform within a few strides or a minute at most. This time I had forgotten. For this reason, I thought it would be found on the first 300 meters or so. When I moved the rods along one side of the map and they locked out near where I expected for one coordinate, I thought, "yeah, that’s about right." But then looking for the other coordinate, the rods locked out, that is formed a line (as I instructed), on the opposite end of the course! I doubted that it was a good result but if I didn't find the key, policy was to replace the lock at the key holder's expense (about $180.00) so I had to find the key. In addition to the consideration of the expense was the security of all of my worldly possessions. I went out to the track again but because I could not believe the key would have rode to the end of the course, I searched in vain for thirty minutes, in the dark, some times on my hands and knees. (Did I mention that I had no flashlight?) When all hope was lost, I went to where my dowsing rods indicated earlier and found the key within about thirty seconds. The map drawn from memory after months of running it in the dark and the rods lined up to within about three feet of the key's actual location in an area a little over a mile in circumference in almost complete darkness. Any noise the key would have made was muffled by the impacts of my feet, cushioned by soft dirt and hidden by the rustle of leaves nearby. The books on dowsing are rather easy to follow and the props are both easy and cheap to make. The core of the methods involved is easy to follow, though the mechanism involved is elusive as is usual for occult topics. Some of the more sophisticated posit an increased access to information noted through normal sensory channels but not recorded as an accessible memory. The mechanism triggering the motion of the props is considered to be micromotor twitches of which the operator is not consciously aware of making. Taking a step further away from the normal explanation, the dowser's claim to find information that could not have been noted as stated above could be explained as inference or interpolation from those unconsciously noted sensory inputs. It gets a little harder to explain map dowsing, Proxy dowsing, dowsing for verbal or numeric data, and other more esoteric modes of use. The evidence for taking in subtle cues and interpreting them is fairly strong because I myself noted when I was practicing the technique and drafting family and friends to hide things for me to find, I noted that most of them could not help revealing feedback concerning the target via thier body language. I also noted that I could not help utilizing such data as an aid to finding the target. In short order therefore I ceased using them as aids in my dowsing practice. Even without such aids I cannot rule out other subliminal cues as the source of dowsing information, the brains complexity and processing power is so awesome that it is some what insulting to evoke paranormal processes to explain this phenomenon unecessarily. However, I cannot rule such out entirely either. Some data acquired through dowsing is of such a nature that it extremely difficult to ascribe mundane data collection and processing as it's source. That is not to deny that this is the case but just to point out that such a mechanism is more complex than the relatively simple "paranormal" model (at least presently). Not every one is an unconcious geologist who can unconsciously interpolate where ground water or oil is likely close to the surface or an unconcious plumber able to guess where it is likely a water or sewage pipe is likely to be laid from analyzing the interface between a house's floor plan and the yard, street and foundation wall. Let alone all the various other applications of dowsing retrieving verbal data, numbers, finding lost coins, etc. If any one wants to check it out experientially I can type basic instructions for the process that can be put down to about four paragraphs and put into practice within a few days or a week at the most. Doing it, however, does not mean you know how it works, such is the nature of the game (I sure as hell don't). -- Jerry Adams AKA: Praxis ###### From: t3dy@aol.communist (sned the bold) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Dowsing (Another OT Post, Wheeeee!) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 2000 08:03:17 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000802040317.19037.00000178@ng-cq1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:48712 i saw it happen at stonehenge, the ley line thing... scary Sned The Bold www.geocities.com/snedthebold/ the thought police are in your head "this is not a normal world" -Batman