From: "C D" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Can OBE'ers Harm others? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:37 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.54.123.2 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 958034928 203.54.123.2 (Thu, 11 May 2000 18:48:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:48:48 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:41419 Ok Dumb Question time again!! Is it possible for people to use OBE to harm others? Belive me I have no interest in harming anything/one! But I would like to know if any of you know if its possible? CD :) ###### From: Craig Shillington Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Can OBE'ers Harm others? Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:23:19 +1000 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <391DF1F7.5574500E@satway.com.au> References: Reply-To: primrose@satway.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1-1.horsham.megasat.net.au (209.233.57.144) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 958270422 11432324 209.233.57.144 (16 [27978]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp1-1.horsham.megasat.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:41701 Hi CD, > > Ok Dumb Question time again!! > Is it possible for people to use OBE to harm others? Belive me I have no > interest in harming anything/one! But I would like to know if any of you > know if its possible? Not a dumb question at all. :-) Depends on if you are talking about harming someone physically or emotionally. Physically ... I believe fairly to highly unlikely. Robert Monroe reported an incident where he visited a female friend who was in physical reality while he was OOB. In order to see if he could interact with her in this way, he walked up to her and grabbed her waist and tickled he hard. The next day, he rang his friend and asked some cryptic questions of her relating to the incident. She never remembered *seeing* him while she was where she was, but she did have a strange bruise on her waist where he had tickled her. Now this is in now way proof that anything happened, for all we know, Robert may have had some knowledge of her hurting herself and applied this subconsciously within his OBE. At the same time, we cannot simply assume that this sort of thing is impossible. Emotionally ... YES! I think that we could indirectly cause a lot of harm on others emotionally while OOB. IF, we can interact with others while we are OOB; say while they are dreaming, through a connection of consciousness, then the possibilities of emotional harm are endless. If the other person has no knowledge that we are visiting them while they dream, and we are adept at manipulating the way people can think, I believe it is highly possible to change the way people think and/or feel about certain things. Again, I have no proof for this, it is simply my own belief. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin -- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Can OBE'ers Harm others? Date: 14 May 2000 21:50:52 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6uhfc09ahv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <391DF1F7.5574500E@satway.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 958333853 285 10.0.3.2 (14 May 2000 19:50:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 19:50:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:41779 Craig Shillington writes: > > Is it possible for people to use OBE to harm others? Belive me I have no > > Robert Monroe reported an incident where he visited a female friend > who was in physical reality while he was OOB. In order to see if he > could interact with her in this way, he walked up to her and grabbed > her waist and tickled he hard. Actually pinched her side. At least that is how he writes it in Journeys. > but she > did have a strange bruise on her waist where he had tickled her. Now > this is in now way proof that anything happened, for all we know, > Robert may have had some knowledge of her hurting herself and > applied this subconsciously within his OBE. He claims not to have had any such. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic Use a WIMP (Windows Icons Mouse Pulldowns) interface - or get one with a CLUE (Command Line User Environment)? ###### From: Craig Shillington Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Can OBE'ers Harm others? Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:20:50 +1000 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <391FCF82.D8528B9@satway.com.au> References: <391DF1F7.5574500E@satway.com.au> <6uhfc09ahv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: primrose@satway.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: hor-as1-p1.netconnect.net.au (203.87.38.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 958387990 3686 203.87.38.1 (16 [27978]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!hor-as1-p1.netconnect.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:41925 Hi Neil, > > Craig Shillington writes: > > > > Is it possible for people to use OBE to harm others? Belive me I have no > > > > Robert Monroe reported an incident where he visited a female friend > > who was in physical reality while he was OOB. In order to see if he > > could interact with her in this way, he walked up to her and grabbed > > her waist and tickled he hard. > > Actually pinched her side. At least that is how he writes it in Journeys. > > > but she > > did have a strange bruise on her waist where he had tickled her. Now > > this is in now way proof that anything happened, for all we know, > > Robert may have had some knowledge of her hurting herself and > > applied this subconsciously within his OBE. > > He claims not to have had any such. Ahhhh, thanks for that Neil. :-) I haven't had my Monroe books for a long time now, I lent them to a friend, so I was going purely on memory then. :-) Starting to really miss them now. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin --