Message-ID: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> From: Ann Marie Newell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: spirits and other astral "pals" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:32:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.178.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 956604683 63.202.178.126 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:31:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:31:23 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39410 Hi there, I've been reading this newsgroup for a few years (I post rather infrequently).. I wanted to post some recent experiences and see if anyone out there may have some advice or similar experiences they would like to share.. I've been having spontaneous OBEs for well over a decade. Lately, for reasons I'm not sure of, they have been increasing in frequency and intensity.. In one way I am pleased, and in another way I'm quite tired, since as many of you know having OBEs are not exactly "restful" ways to spend the night! Anyway, I have been having quite a lot of "visitors" lately when I have OBEs.. Some of them seem to be lost, kind of sad, and confused. I generally try to ask them questions, like "Did I create you with my own thoughts? Are you somebody who is dreaming? Are you still alive? Why are you here? Are you lost?.. etc.. etc.." One of the more communicative spirits, who appeared to be a young woman, told me something very interesting.. she said, "I came to you because I like your light.." I asked if she was still alive, and she said "I think I might be dead." I then asked if she knew how long she had been dead.. She began crying, and seemed very upset.. I tried to reassure her that if she was, in fact, passed on, that it was very good that she was aware of it.. I tried to tell her that it was OK, that she still exists, albeit in a different form, and that she should try and find "the light.." All of this advice I was giving her was coming to me instinctually, since I have no formal training "astral counseling." : ) Another type of visitor I have been seeing a lot of recently are slow moving characters, who normally refuse to communicate with me. They often try to grab me, and hold onto me. I get the distinct impression that they are trying to "get" something from me. My instincts tell me that it is some kind of energy they are after. I do my best to tell them that they cannot have anything that belongs to me, and that they are to go away, and not return.. I usually have to repeat this a number of times before they actually listen and leave! I do "protection" meditations before I go to sleep, visualize myself with white light, and request that if I go out of body, that only beings who will help me will appear.. But I think that sometimes this protection ritual doesn't quite take effect! In fact, recently, a non-invited spirit told me, "You know, you sure have a lot of rules!!" Well, I may have enumerated some rules before I went out of body, but he, for one, wasn't listening! Has anybody else done protection meditations that don't quite seem to work in the way you planned them to? I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else have this experience? Thanks to anyone who read this, and I'd love to hear any input! Ann Marie ###### From: Haunter Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:00:48 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3904B600.FFA3CFCA@castles.com> References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-013.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39385 Hi Ann Marie! Glad you un-lurked to tell us your experience. It reminded me that my OB experiences are rather solitary affairs. I'll have to be more active in searching out "partners" I suppose. I'm going to repost a couple of my experiences and you'll see what I mean. Thanks again. Haunter Ann Marie Newell wrote: > > Hi there, > > I've been reading this newsgroup for a few years (I post rather > infrequently).. I wanted to post some recent experiences and see if > anyone out there may have some advice or similar experiences they would > like to share.. snipped > I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the > impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > have this experience? > > Thanks to anyone who read this, and I'd love to hear any input! > > Ann Marie ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:04:29 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 110 Message-ID: <3904afc8.960583@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userah77.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956610653 6243 62.188.133.8 (24 Apr 2000 21:10:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2000 21:10:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39454 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:32:19 -0700, Ann Marie Newell wrote: Hello again, Ann Marie! >Anyway, I have been having quite a lot of "visitors" lately when I have >OBEs.. Some of them seem to be lost, kind of sad, and confused. I >generally try to ask them questions, like "Did I create you with my own >thoughts? Are you somebody who is dreaming? Are you still alive? Why >are you here? Are you lost?.. etc.. etc.." One of the more >communicative spirits, who appeared to be a young woman, told me >something very interesting.. she said, "I came to you because I like >your light.." I asked if she was still alive, and she said "I think I >might be dead." I then asked if she knew how long she had been dead.. >She began crying, and seemed very upset.. I tried to reassure her that >if she was, in fact, passed on, that it was very good that she was aware >of it.. I tried to tell her that it was OK, that she still exists, >albeit in a different form, and that she should try and find "the >light.." All of this advice I was giving her was coming to me >instinctually, since I have no formal training "astral counseling." : ) You did the right thing. These certainly sound like lost spirits, people who have died but cannot accept the fact, so cling close to the physical realm; many ghosts are like this. You could get involved with spirit rescue work if you wished, although my Shaman pointed out recently that if you begin this particular task you will never complete it. I prefer to work with healing and comforting live people to dead ones. If you prefer this too, you could do as I do by wishing them well and passing them by, in search of characters who have more information of interest to you. >Another type of visitor I have been seeing a lot of recently are slow >moving characters, who normally refuse to communicate with me. They >often try to grab me, and hold onto me. I get the distinct impression >that they are trying to "get" something from me. My instincts tell me >that it is some kind of energy they are after. I do my best to tell them >that they cannot have anything that belongs to me, and that they are to >go away, and not return.. I usually have to repeat this a number of >times before they actually listen and leave! Make yourself slippy and slip away from their grasp! They want your vitality. The elemental spirits (air, water etc) are intrigued by the energy of passing lightworkers and cling to them, lovingly. I often have one or two clasping my knee or arm. They are not scary, but they sap your energy. I give each one a task to perform and send it busily on its way, glad to be of help to me. E.g. send the water elemental to bring rain to Ethiopia. They leave happily enough, although I did have one cling on sobbing for a while. Be loving but firm, they are like simple little children. >I do "protection" meditations before I go to sleep, visualize myself >with white light, and request that if I go out of body, that only beings >who will help me will appear.. But I think that sometimes this >protection ritual doesn't quite take effect! In fact, recently, a >non-invited spirit told me, "You know, you sure have a lot of rules!!" >Well, I may have enumerated some rules before I went out of body, but >he, for one, wasn't listening! Has anybody else done protection >meditations that don't quite seem to work in the way you planned them >to? I don't really bother with that stuff any more. As you say, it makes little difference. Intent is all. If you are kind, loving and focused, you will cope with all eventualities, as you have done. Keep your aura clean and shiny (I use a pressure hose and brass polish on mine once a week!) and your chakras zinging and you will be fine. >I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" >come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody >comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the >impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else >have this experience? My angel sulks and disappears for weeks sometimes, and only very reluctantly revealed himself to me in the first place, two years ago. He always appears to any healer working on me, and, interestingly, always looks exactly the same and gives the same name to each healer, even if I have never met that healer before! Just work on getting to know your angel; you have to coax and wheedle information out of them at first, I find. Meditate in a darkened room and ask your angel to stand behind you. Ask him to move away and closer until you develop the awareness of him. Use his hands like gloves when you are giving healing; that way you channel the divine power directly through him. I get a lot of help at the moment from my spirit-animal, a jolly creature who accompanies me and directs my path on Lower and Middle World journeys. My angel generally appears during healings and when I visit the Upperworld. N.B. these are nothing to do with heaven and hell: they are more the depths of the psyche and concealed emotions (Lower), The Astral or area of imagination made manifest (Middle), and the very high vibrational frequency of the Upper where angels and pure spirits dwell. Try a meditation to find your power animal; Speak aloud your intent three times eg "I will visit the Lower World to meet my power animal." Imagine yourself in a garden you know and feel safe in. A tunnel mouth opens downwards; journey down there faster and faster; I often end up descending in a lift (elevator). When you reach the bottom, walk until you are in a small room with several doors. Choose a door and go through it; on the other side you will see your animal. It will appear in front of you, and as you turn you will also see it beside and behind you, so it surrounds you in all four compass directions. Ask it to accompany you whenever you travel. At different times you may collect a different power animal; for difficult work a whole zoo of them may appear. You may meet the power animals of people you are healing or of healers who are working on you. They are there to help you complete the task you have declared your intent for. You can cuddle them, too! >Thanks to anyone who read this, and I'd love to hear any input! Love from Julia. ###### Message-ID: <3904D3C2.A0B44785@newelldesign.com> From: Ann Marie Newell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> <3904B600.FFA3CFCA@castles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:08:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.178.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 956617623 63.202.178.194 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:07:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:07:03 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.pbi.net.MISMATCH!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39412 Hi there, Thanks for your response! I don't know how long you've been having OBEs, but when mine first began they were very "solitary" experiences also.. As time went by and I had more and more of them, they really changed in that regard, suddenly I was meeting up with others, and now I feel as if I cannot have one "alone" even if I try! I don't know if it's because at this stage I am ready to see more, or that my perceptions and view of what's out there has widened, allowing me to see more.. It's funny because I don't really seek out these characters, the only beings I really seek out are ones who can guide me, these others just seem to "show up." One thing that becomes more apparent to me with each OBE, is that it is really a rich universe out there! Thanks again, and I look forward to reading your experiences! - Ann Marie Haunter wrote: > Hi Ann Marie! > Glad you un-lurked to tell us your experience. It reminded me that my OB > experiences are rather solitary affairs. I'll have to be more active in > searching out "partners" I suppose. I'm going to repost a couple of my > experiences and you'll see what I mean. Thanks again. > Haunter ###### Message-ID: <3904DB86.9D047599@newelldesign.com> From: Ann Marie Newell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> <3904afc8.960583@news.dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 165 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:41:29 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.178.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 956619609 63.202.178.194 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:40:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:40:09 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!easynews!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39414 Hi there, Thank you for taking the time to send this rich response! > I tried to tell her that it was OK, that she still exists, > >albeit in a different form, and that she should try and find "the > >light.." All of this advice I was giving her was coming to me > >instinctually, since I have no formal training "astral counseling." : ) > > You did the right thing. These certainly sound like lost spirits, > people who have died but cannot accept the fact, so cling close to the > physical realm; many ghosts are like this. You could get involved with > spirit rescue work if you wished, although my Shaman pointed out > recently that if you begin this particular task you will never > complete it. I prefer to work with healing and comforting live people > to dead ones. If you prefer this too, you could do as I do by wishing > them well and passing them by, in search of characters who have more > information of interest to you. Thanks for telling me I did the right thing with this, it's funny because all the advice I had came without really thinking about it, it seemed very natural at the time.. Yes, about the lost spirits, that is really what it feels like. They seem to be lost, not wanting to accept that they have passed on. I agree that working with those who are still on "this plane" seems more appealing! I certainly don't mind communicating with them when they show up, and trying to help out if I can, but I don't really think it's something I would pursue actively.. I recently read an interesting book regarding shamanic rescue work, called "Soul Retreival." It is very fascinating.. I think it's great that you have a shaman to work with! > > Make yourself slippy and slip away from their grasp! They want > your vitality. The elemental spirits (air, water etc) are intrigued by > the energy of passing lightworkers and cling to them, lovingly. > I often have one or two clasping my knee or arm. They are not scary, > but they sap your energy. I give each one a task to perform and send > it busily on its way, glad to be of help to me. E.g. send the water > elemental to bring rain to Ethiopia. They leave happily enough, > although I did have one cling on sobbing for a while. Be loving but > firm, they are like simple little children. Wow, I really appreciate this advice.. What you said, "they want your vitality," is exactly how it feels to me. In fact, the one and only time I got one of them to communicate concretely with me, after asking over and over, "What do you want.." He finally said, very simply "I want to take your energy and use it for my own purposes." Needless to say I asked him to leave right away! It's a great idea to give them their own job to do! I have to look more into the "elemental spirits," as this is not something I'm too familiar with.. They *do* seem simple, and slow! When I finally got one of them to fly out my window, a very light, airy woman in a white dress, she was literally moving at a snails pace, not very eager to leave at all.. > Has anybody else done protection > >meditations that don't quite seem to work in the way you planned them > >to? > > I don't really bother with that stuff any more. As you say, > it makes little difference. Intent is all. If you are kind, loving and > focused, you will cope with all eventualities, as you have done. > Keep your aura clean and shiny (I use a pressure hose and brass polish > on mine once a week!) and your chakras zinging and you will be fine. > I appreciate your validating my suspicion that these protection rituals don't make much of a difference.. It's funny because I have so often read and heard about their importance! Yes, keeping the chakras clean and intent positive is so important. The OBE's I've had immediately after doing a chakra/energy cleaning meditation have been the best, most positive I have ever had.. I have also found that if I am having an OBE which isn't turning out to be very enjoyable, if I focus on the word and feeling of "love" everything can turn around, and the scenery can change in an instant! > > >I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > >come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > >comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the > >impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > >have this experience? > > My angel sulks and disappears for weeks sometimes, and only very > reluctantly revealed himself to me in the first place, two years ago. > He always appears to any healer working on me, and, interestingly, > always looks exactly the same and gives the same name to each healer, > even if I have never met that healer before! That is really interesting that your angel is reluctant too! And I thought that my spirit guide was unusual in how she only shows up every so often.. Perhaps it's because we really are here to learn and not have our hands held.. My spirit guide usually appears to me (although very, very infrequently) as a perfectly still and silent female buddha, really beautiful, almost like a statue, emanating positivity...), The one time she was actually mobile and active in front of me, it seemed that she was having trouble doing so because I think she resides in a very vibrationally "high" place.. It seemed she had to really slow herself down to get through to me.. It was almost like watching a television show that keeps getting cut out by static.. Her message to me was one of unconditional love. Very simple, and very reassuring.. > > Just work on getting to know your angel; you have to coax and > wheedle information out of them at first, I find. Meditate in a > darkened room and ask your angel to stand behind you. Ask him to move > away and closer until you develop the awareness of him. Use his hands > like gloves when you are giving healing; that way you channel the > divine power directly through him. This is a great idea, thank you for the advice! I would love to develop more of a relationship with her... I think from now on I will try developing more of a conscious relationship with her instead of repeating a mantra when I meditate (it also seems like more fun!) > > I get a lot of help at the moment from my spirit-animal, a jolly > creature who accompanies me and directs my path on Lower and Middle > World journeys. My angel generally appears during healings and when I > visit the Upperworld. > N.B. these are nothing to do with heaven and hell: they are more > the depths of the psyche and concealed emotions (Lower), The Astral or > area of imagination made manifest (Middle), and the very high > vibrational frequency of the Upper where angels and pure spirits > dwell. Yes, I have read a bit about the upper and lower worlds, I do know what you mean about them not having anything to do with heaven and hell.... I did one shamanic journey with a live drummer a number of years ago, and I was thrilled to meet my power animal! I have tried since then to use drumming tapes to get back to the lower worlds. I haven't had too much success, but I also haven't been too persistent in exploring it. I think I have only had a few glimpses of the upper worlds while I've been OBE, but what an impression they made upon me! > > Try a meditation to find your power animal; Speak aloud your intent > three times eg "I will visit the Lower World to meet my power animal." > Imagine yourself in a garden you know and feel safe in. A tunnel mouth > opens downwards; journey down there faster and faster; I often end up > descending in a lift (elevator). When you reach the bottom, walk until > you are in a small room with several doors. Choose a door and go > through it; on the other side you will see your animal. It will appear > in front of you, and as you turn you will also see it beside and > behind you, so it surrounds you in all four compass directions. Thanks for this advice.. It sounds like focusing the intent can really affect the journey.. When I have tried these journeys on my own I did not repeat an intent aloud, or even silently, I have a feeling that may make a big difference! > > Ask it to accompany you whenever you travel. At different times you > may collect a different power animal; for difficult work a whole zoo > of them may appear. That is so great! > You may meet the power animals of people you are > healing or of healers who are working on you. They are there to help > you complete the task you have declared your intent for. > You can cuddle them, too! Thanks again for all your advice, I really do appreciate it! Sincerely, Ann Marie ###### From: "Richard" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" Lines: 76 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:59:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.142.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 956627726 216.224.142.69 (Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:55:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:55:26 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39463 Ann Marie Newell wrote in message news:3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com... > Hi there, > > I've been reading this newsgroup for a few years (I post rather > infrequently).. Good to see you again. > Anyway, I have been having quite a lot of "visitors" lately when I have > OBEs.. Some of them seem to be lost, kind of sad, and confused. I > generally try to ask them questions, like "Did I create you with my own > thoughts? Are you somebody who is dreaming? Are you still alive? Why > are you here? Are you lost?.. etc.. etc.." One of the more > communicative spirits, who appeared to be a young woman, told me > something very interesting.. she said, "I came to you because I like > your light.." I asked if she was still alive, and she said "I think I > might be dead." I then asked if she knew how long she had been dead.. > She began crying, and seemed very upset.. I tried to reassure her that > if she was, in fact, passed on, that it was very good that she was aware > of it.. I tried to tell her that it was OK, that she still exists, > albeit in a different form, and that she should try and find "the > light.." All of this advice I was giving her was coming to me > instinctually, since I have no formal training "astral counseling." : ) I think we naturally know how to do things in this state that we do not have conscious memory of here and now. I have had a few times where things like this have happened. I remember accompanying one entity "up" the tunnel every one mentions, and shortly after we reached the top, noticing they were no longer with me. This was a very satisfying experience. I have also had experiences where those I knew who had recently died have come to me to tell me that they are still "there", and are OK. > I do "protection" meditations before I go to sleep, visualize myself > with white light, and request that if I go out of body, that only beings > who will help me will appear.. But I think that sometimes this > protection ritual doesn't quite take effect! In fact, recently, a > non-invited spirit told me, "You know, you sure have a lot of rules!!" > Well, I may have enumerated some rules before I went out of body, but > he, for one, wasn't listening! Has anybody else done protection > meditations that don't quite seem to work in the way you planned them > to? Pardon my snipping from time to time. . . I have never dealt with "protection" at all. Being a spontaneous projector also, it was never something I thought of doing. If it gives you comfort, then why not? But I have never had a problem in not doing it. > I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the > impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > have this experience? This varies also with me. It usually seems if I want to do something on my own, they will be there to try to persuade me to do something else. But if I seek them for something when they have nothing planned for me, I know I am alone at that point. > Thanks to anyone who read this, and I'd love to hear any input! > > Ann Marie > > -- Richard For Out of Body Links, try http://www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond Join the close to two million around the world searching for Extraterrestrial Intelligence at home. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ > ###### Message-ID: <2000042508050475767@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:05:04 +0100 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: J L Williams X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.25m 10003900 Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: deansgate.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 956646476 564 194.247.47.23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39392 The message <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> from Ann Marie Newell contains these words: > Hi there, Hi Ann Marie. > I've been reading this newsgroup for a few years (I post rather > infrequently).. I wanted to post some recent experiences and see if > anyone out there may have some advice or similar experiences they would > like to share.. > I've been having spontaneous OBEs for well over a decade. Please tell me your secret ;-) Lately, for > reasons I'm not sure of, they have been increasing in frequency and > intensity.. In one way I am pleased, and in another way I'm quite > tired, since as many of you know having OBEs are not exactly "restful" > ways to spend the night! Snipped> I have not had many but those I have had I have 'surfaced' (because I am already awake in obe) very refreshed as if I had my full sleep quota. > I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > come and help me. Yes so do I but....havent seen them yet. Perhaps one made his presence felt in another way. > More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. Same here. Perhaps I am just not sensitive enough. > I often get the > impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > have this experience? Hmmmm, yes. Too often. I think it's something to do with my guides not wanting to intervene, help too much, get involved, be bothered with me. That's if I have any at all. > Thanks to anyone who read this, and I'd love to hear any input! > Ann Marie Sorry not much of an input, more like commiserations really. Cheers Jim Watch and pray, time hastes away. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:20:39 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 120 Message-ID: <390550a4.6506360@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> <3904afc8.960583@news.dial.pipex.com> <3904DB86.9D047599@newelldesign.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: useran18.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 956651223 1256 62.188.135.35 (25 Apr 2000 08:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Apr 2000 08:27:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39435 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:41:29 -0700, Ann Marie Newell wrote: >Thank you for taking the time to send this rich response! No problem - you ask stimulating questions! >Thanks for telling me I did the right thing with this, it's funny because >all the advice I had came without really thinking about it, it seemed very >natural at the time.. Yes, about the lost spirits, that is really what it >feels like. They seem to be lost, not wanting to accept that they have >passed on. I agree that working with those who are still on "this plane" >seems more appealing! I certainly don't mind communicating with them when >they show up, and trying to help out if I can, but I don't really think it's >something I would pursue actively.. I recently read an interesting book >regarding shamanic rescue work, called "Soul Retreival." It is very >fascinating.. I think it's great that you have a shaman to work with! I have been doing a lot of Soul Retrieval work; both for myself and on behalf of my friends. It is very interesting and astonishingly beneficial. Quite easy to do' I taught myself from a book but my Shaman confirmed that I was doing it just right! Having had ME for 12 years, I was feeling very ill the other day, and meditated for about an hour, during which I did 15 SR trips. When I got up, my husband was most surprised; he had thought I was ill, but I seemed as well and healthy as he had ever seen me! >Wow, I really appreciate this advice.. What you said, "they want your >vitality," is exactly how it feels to me. In fact, the one and only time I >got one of them to communicate concretely with me, after asking over and >over, "What do you want.." He finally said, very simply "I want to take your >energy and use it for my own purposes." Needless to say I asked him to >leave right away! It's a great idea to give them their own job to do! I >have to look more into the "elemental spirits," as this is not something I'm >too familiar with.. They *do* seem simple, and slow! When I finally got >one of them to fly out my window, a very light, airy woman in a white dress, >she was literally moving at a snails pace, not very eager to leave at all.. Air elemental. I haven't seen these mentioned before in this ng; they do seem to cluster around healers and lightworkers, though. >I appreciate your validating my suspicion that these protection rituals >don't make much of a difference.. It's funny because I have so often read >and heard about their importance! Yes, keeping the chakras clean and intent >positive is so important. The OBE's I've had immediately after doing a >chakra/energy cleaning meditation have been the best, most positive I have >ever had.. True; my best experiences have all been after a healing session. Now I run through the chakras, cleansing and energising them before each meditation, daily. >I have also found that if I am having an OBE which isn't >turning out to be very enjoyable, if I focus on the word and feeling of >"love" everything can turn around, and the scenery can change in an instant! Good. I usually fly on the wings of love - literally, with my angel supporting me, and I have encountered very little which is not entirely positive and joyful. >That is really interesting that your angel is reluctant too! And I thought >that my spirit guide was unusual in how she only shows up every so often.. >Perhaps it's because we really are here to learn and not have our hands >held.. Could be. It is good for me to hear that other people have reluctant angels, too! This makes me feel kinder towards mine! >My spirit guide usually appears to me (although very, very >infrequently) as a perfectly still and silent female buddha, really >beautiful, almost like a statue, emanating positivity...), The one time she >was actually mobile and active in front of me, it seemed that she was having >trouble doing so because I think she resides in a very vibrationally "high" >place.. It seemed she had to really slow herself down to get through to >me.. It was almost like watching a television show that keeps getting cut >out by static.. Her message to me was one of unconditional love. Very >simple, and very reassuring.. Lovely, literally. >This is a great idea, thank you for the advice! I would love to develop >more of a relationship with her... I think from now on I will try >developing more of a conscious relationship with her instead of repeating a >mantra when I meditate (it also seems like more fun!) It is! I have had some extraordinary experiences with mine... Some quite private... ; ) >Yes, I have read a bit about the upper and lower worlds, I do know what you >mean about them not having anything to do with heaven and hell.... I did >one shamanic journey with a live drummer a number of years ago, and I was >thrilled to meet my power animal! I have tried since then to use drumming >tapes to get back to the lower worlds. I haven't had too much success, but I >also haven't been too persistent in exploring it. You don't need tapes although my Shaman uses them for his own meditations. But yes, a live drummer is really magical; I have told my Shaman that I will learn to drum for him, and he was very pleased. > I think I have only had a >few glimpses of the upper worlds while I've been OBE, but what an impression >they made upon me! When you go to the Upper world, you pass though a sort of veil or membrane at some point; a series of them if you go really high. This seems to filter out your own vibrations until you are as rarified as the angels, which makes you realise your own angelic and healing potential. >Thanks for this advice.. It sounds like focusing the intent can really >affect the journey.. When I have tried these journeys on my own I did not >repeat an intent aloud, or even silently, I have a feeling that may make a >big difference! I thought; oh, no, not more rules and regulations when my Shaman told me this, but yes, it does work. >Thanks again for all your advice, I really do appreciate it! Glad to be of help. Love from julia. ###### Message-ID: <3905CB41.ED065C82@newelldesign.com> From: Ann Marie Newell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:43:47 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.179.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 956680982 63.202.179.110 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:43:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:43:02 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39415 Hi, Thanks for responding! > All of this advice I was giving her was coming to me > > instinctually, since I have no formal training "astral counseling." : ) > > I think we naturally know how to do things in this state that we do not have > conscious memory of here and now. I have had a few times where things like > this have happened. I remember accompanying one entity "up" the tunnel > every one mentions, and shortly after we reached the top, noticing they were > no longer with me. This was a very satisfying experience. I have also had > experiences where those I knew who had recently died have come to me to tell > me that they are still "there", and are OK. > Yes, I think you are right about knowing how to do things naturally while OBE... That is wild that you were actually "in" the famed tunnel helping an entity.. In addition to this natural "knowing," I have also noticed that very often I get a sense of deja-vu while OBE.. For example, I'll be flying over a field, or town, and I'll think to myself, "Well, here I am again.." even when in my conscious mind I have no concrete, specific memory of having actually been there, it's just that somehow I know I've been there before... > > > I do "protection" meditations before I go to sleep, visualize myself > > with white light, and request that if I go out of body, that only beings > > who will help me will appear.. But I think that sometimes this > > protection ritual doesn't quite take effect! In fact, recently, a > > non-invited spirit told me, "You know, you sure have a lot of rules!!" > > Well, I may have enumerated some rules before I went out of body, but > > he, for one, wasn't listening! Has anybody else done protection > > meditations that don't quite seem to work in the way you planned them > > to? > Pardon my snipping from time to time. . . I have never dealt with > "protection" at all. Being a spontaneous projector also, it was never > something I thought of doing. If it gives you comfort, then why not? But I > have never had a problem in not doing it. I suppose it is sort of a comforting thing to do, but as I said, it doesn't always work very well! That's interesting that you project spontaneously also! > > > > I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > > come and help me. More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > > comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. I often get the > > impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > > have this experience? > > This varies also with me. It usually seems if I want to do something on my > own, they will be there to try to persuade me to do something else. But if > I seek them for something when they have nothing planned for me, I know I am > alone at that point. That's interesting, it sounds like they set up tasks for you to do while out-of-body? I do recall a few times when I was sort of "driven" silently while OBE to go visist and spend time with a couple of friends(although not told to do so by my spirit guide in a way that I could see her) , and my mother once, when I thought they needed some help.. Interestingly enough it turns out that each time this has happened, whomever I visited was going through something difficult! thanks again, Ann Marie ###### Message-ID: <3905CEC4.3328138D@newelldesign.com> From: Ann Marie Newell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: spirits and other astral "pals" References: <3904A138.DD431370@newelldesign.com> <2000042508050475767@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:58:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.202.179.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 956681880 63.202.179.110 (Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:58:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:58:00 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:39413 Hi there, > > > > I've been having spontaneous OBEs for well over a decade. > > Please tell me your secret ;-) Gosh, you know, I really wish that I could, but I don't even know what it is myself! For me, they just "happen.." It all started when I was about 16.. In all my years of OBEing I've never really tried to have one! It's gotten to the point where I just kind of "know" when I go to bed at night I'll probably stay in, or go out! Sometimes these days it happens even when I take an afternoon nap.. : ) > > > Lately, for > > reasons I'm not sure of, they have been increasing in frequency and > > intensity.. In one way I am pleased, and in another way I'm quite > > tired, since as many of you know having OBEs are not exactly "restful" > > ways to spend the night! > Snipped> > > I have not had many but those I have had I have 'surfaced' (because I > am already awake in obe) very refreshed as if I had my full sleep quota. That's so great, I'm happy for you! For me it is often the opposite, especially after what I like to call my OBE marathons (OBEs that last over an hour or two).. I usually feel dog tired! > > > > I also usually request, while I'm out-of-body, that my "spirit guides" > > come and help me. > > Yes so do I but....havent seen them yet. Perhaps one made his > presence felt in another way. > Yes, I think that's possible.. At time I have "heard" instructions, although not audible, coming from something that seems wise! One time that stands out in my mind was when I was OBE and I kept "hearing" the word "surrender.." When I finally did my OBE turned into a really tingly, fun, healing kind of experience! > > > More often than not, when I make this request, nobody > > comes along, at least in a form that I am aware of. > > Same here. Perhaps I am just not sensitive enough. > > > I often get the > > impression that I have to "figure it out on my own." Does anybody else > > have this experience? > > Hmmmm, yes. Too often. I think it's something to do with my guides > not wanting to intervene, help too much, get involved, be bothered > with me. That's if I have any at all. I'm really bet that you do have a guide (or guides!) I have a feeling that we all do, but it seems that not all of them like to be seen very often! : ) thanks, Ann Marie