Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: munester@hushmail.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Message-ID: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> Subject: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:32942 Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get some info/literature on OBE for newbies? ###### Message-ID: <389F8348.4739@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.103.34.8 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 949977889 207.103.34.8 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:44:49 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:44:49 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 02:44:49 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:32719 munester@hushmail.com wrote: > > Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get > some info/literature on OBE for newbies? Info/literature that appeals to skeptics, or to believers? The latter is much easier to come by. ###### From: d0c@aol.com (D0C) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Feb 2000 04:21:32 GMT References: <389F8348.4739@not-here.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000207232132.01371.00000044@ng-fa1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:32872 William Buhlman's book "Adventures beyond the body" is good. He starts out a skeptic and gives a good account of his experience. ###### Message-ID: <389F9EA1.60B4@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. References: <389F8348.4739@not-here.net> <20000207232132.01371.00000044@ng-fa1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.103.34.8 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 949984889 207.103.34.8 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:41:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:41:29 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:41:29 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:32761 D0C wrote: > > William Buhlman's book "Adventures beyond the body" is good. He starts out a > skeptic and gives a good account of his experience. Harary and Weintraub's "OBEs in 30 Days" is also not bad if you're looking for something that isn't too far "out there," but I don't know if it's still in print or not. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. Date: 08 Feb 2000 22:53:03 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6uhffj1hvk.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 950046783 848 10.0.3.2 (8 Feb 2000 21:53:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2000 21:53:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:33016 munester@hushmail.com writes: > Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get > some info/literature on OBE for newbies? On the Web try these: http://www.winternet.com/~rsp/obebook.html Out of Body Experiences http://www.execpc.com/~mholmes/do-obe/do-obe.html Astral Projection/OOBE Course by Don DeGracia http://www.tower.net.au/~rsb/treatise.html Treatise on Out of Body Experience All three contain techniques for trying it yourself. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Unix Wizzard, Hacker, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, Mystic Computer: toy speeds work, you have more time to play with it ###### From: John Fitzsimons Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:06:06 +1100 Organization: Optus Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ocmax2-196.dialup.optusnet.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.mpx.com.au 950357160 3631 198.142.35.196 (12 Feb 2000 12:06:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@optusnet.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 12:06:00 GMT X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.12.0 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.540 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mpx.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:33431 On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:30 -0500 (EST), munester@hushmail.com wrote: >Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get >some info/literature on OBE for newbies? Go to a library. Regards, John. -- **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:633/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: Janice Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:46:08 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38A5E2B0.4C08@not-here.net> References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: async108.starlinx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:33442 John Fitzsimons wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:30 -0500 (EST), munester@hushmail.com wrote: > > >Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get > >some info/literature on OBE for newbies? > > Go to a library. One book you might want to look for while you're in the library (or have them order for you through interlibrary loan) is Susan Blackmore's "Beyond the Body." It's reasonable enough to appeal to skeptics. ###### Message-ID: <38A6FF6B.BB0D004@sympatico.ca> From: midnight Reply-To: b4midnight@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> <38A5E2B0.4C08@not-here.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:01:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.249.203 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 950468512 206.172.249.203 (Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:01:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:01:52 EST Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:33457 Janice wrote: > John Fitzsimons wrote: > > > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:30 -0500 (EST), munester@hushmail.com wrote: > > > > >Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get > > >some info/literature on OBE for newbies? > > > > Go to a library. > > One book you might want to look for while you're in the library (or have > them order for you through interlibrary loan) is Susan Blackmore's > "Beyond the Body." It's reasonable enough to appeal to skeptics. Two other books you might want to read (although they have less appeal to the skeptics) are "Journeys Out Of The Body" by Robert A. Monroe, and "Adventures Beyond The Body" by William Buhlman. Both are good reading, and give you two different opinions on the cause and effect of the Out Of Body Experience. Rick ###### Message-ID: <38A71429.6C28@not-here.net> From: Janice X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Where can a skeptic get some basic info. References: <33284cb5ed60987863f1b1bffaa1e87d@hushmail.com> <38A5E2B0.4C08@not-here.net> <38A6FF6B.BB0D004@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.103.34.8 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 950473726 207.103.34.8 (Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:28:46 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:28:46 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:28:51 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:33436 midnight wrote: > > Janice wrote: > > > John Fitzsimons wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:03:30 -0500 (EST), munester@hushmail.com wrote: > > > > > > >Where can a skeptic (a curious skeptic not of the troll variety) get > > > >some info/literature on OBE for newbies? > > > > > > Go to a library. > > > > One book you might want to look for while you're in the library (or have > > them order for you through interlibrary loan) is Susan Blackmore's > > "Beyond the Body." It's reasonable enough to appeal to skeptics. > > Two other books you might want to read (although they have less appeal to > the skeptics) are "Journeys Out Of The Body" by Robert A. Monroe, and > "Adventures Beyond The Body" by William Buhlman. > Both are good reading, and give you two different opinions on the cause and > effect of the Out Of Body Experience. > > Rick If you're going for the classics, then be sure to pick up Oliver Fox's "Astral Projection."