From: "Mary" <mary.sweeney1@virgin.net>
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I had a dream last night which i have just remembered whilst reading the
posts and seeing people's names......i dreamt about Garrison Hilliard!!  I
was with a group of people and they mentioned his name, and i started
shouting that i knew him, i think i may have been with some people from my
Tae Kwon Do club (?!) - i'm sorry, i can't remember much more.  But would i
count this as a dream or a nightmare?  ;-)

Onto something else now.....I have never had much success when it comes to
oob'ing, i don't know if it's due to lack of concentration (i'm going to
start yoga to help me with meditation and concentration), i'm not doing the
right things, not disclipined or what.  But i have always have very long and
vivid dreams, which led me to find out about the dreams newsgroups and then
this one.  I had a dream about six months ago, back in May i think, where i
floated into my parent's room, and they were both lying on top of the bed,
but they couldn't see me.  I went over to my mother and held my hands over
her lower abdominal area and i heard her say to my father she could feel
heat in that area, but of course, as they couldn't see me, they did not know
where it was coming from.  My mother has had ovarian cancer.  Then i moved
round to my father and did the same thing, and he said that he could feel
heat in that area too.  He has had bowel cancer.  I think this must have
been a dream because i don't remember leaving my body, and my parents were
actually in Australia at the time.  When they came back i asked my mother if
anything like this had happened, and she said no, she hadn't felt heat or
anything like that.  But i'm wondering if this means i have the potential to
heal or what.

The reason i writing all of this is because back in December, i dreamt my
mother was ill, she was in hospital, and i remember seeing some sort of
incision, just a vague image, then looking on a door and seeing the words
'lonely mary savant', and going into a room to look for my mother, but the
bed was empty, and when i went into another room, i found two cousins of
mine nursing a baby and they said she was gone.  I woke up and started
crying, and because i was at uni, i phoned later that day to see if she was
alright.  It turned out she had been unwell all that night, and the next day
went into hospital.  She has bowel cancer, and next Thursday goes into
hospital to have an operation to have the mass removed and then she has
chemotherapy.  She could either have had just chemotherapy, or surgery and
chemotherapy, and she is in the latter group.  I'm worried because i saw an
incision in the dream and then the dream ended badly.

The dream i had back in May also makes me wonder if there's any way i can
help her.  I have been asking my angel or spirit guide (who i don't know if
i've met yet even!) before i go to sleep if i can help heal her, but so far,
nothing has happened.

So, finally, i come to my request.  Is there anyone in the group who has
healed someone through a dream, and how did they reach this state?  I feel
that i have to try, but i don't know quite how to do this.  Or is there
anyone who can leave their body and then heal?  I've been trying to leave my
body so that i can go and do like i did in this dream, go and see if i can
heal her, but nothing has been happening.  Or, can anyone here leave their
body and then get someone else 'out', because i seem to be having trouble
even getting anywhere near the state to exit.  This is a serious and sincere
request for help from anyone here on this ng.

--Mary.

######

From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore)
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:40:55 -0000, "Mary" <mary.sweeney1@virgin.net>
wrote:
>I had a dream last night which i have just remembered whilst reading the
>posts and seeing people's names......i dreamt about Garrison Hilliard!!  I
>was with a group of people and they mentioned his name, and i started
>shouting that i knew him, i think i may have been with some people from my
>Tae Kwon Do club (?!) - i'm sorry, i can't remember much more.  But would i
>count this as a dream or a nightmare?  ;-)

  You could do either if you were seriously deluded....  :)

>Onto something else now.....I have never had much success when it comes to
>oob'ing, i don't know if it's due to lack of concentration (i'm going to
>start yoga to help me with meditation and concentration), i'm not doing the
>right things, not disclipined or what.  But i have always have very long and
>vivid dreams, which led me to find out about the dreams newsgroups and then
>this one. 

  Yes, I have always had long and vivid dreams, during which I
generally had to save the world fromsome disaster or other.
Exhausting. But only dreams, thank goodness. It is when you realise
that you are dreaming, and that you can change aspects of your dream
(lucid dreaming) or when you suddenly 'receive' an entirely alien and
'different' type of dream, perhaps with a message from an absent or
dead friend.... Then things start to get interesting...
 
> I had a dream about six months ago, back in May i think, where i
>floated into my parent's room, and they were both lying on top of the bed,
>but they couldn't see me.  I went over to my mother and held my hands over
>her lower abdominal area and i heard her say to my father she could feel
>heat in that area, but of course, as they couldn't see me, they did not know
>where it was coming from.  My mother has had ovarian cancer.  Then i moved
>round to my father and did the same thing, and he said that he could feel
>heat in that area too.  He has had bowel cancer.  I think this must have
>been a dream because i don't remember leaving my body, and my parents were
>actually in Australia at the time.  When they came back i asked my mother if
>anything like this had happened, and she said no, she hadn't felt heat or
>anything like that.  But i'm wondering if this means i have the potential to
>heal or what.

  Of course you have the potential to heal. Anyone who has the
potential to love, empathise with and care for other people is a
healer. Once you recognise that, you can begin to learn how to deliver
the most effective and powerful healing possible. 

>The reason i writing all of this is because back in December, i dreamt my
>mother was ill, she was in hospital, and i remember seeing some sort of
>incision, just a vague image, then looking on a door and seeing the words
>'lonely mary savant', and going into a room to look for my mother, but the
>bed was empty, and when i went into another room, i found two cousins of
>mine nursing a baby and they said she was gone.  I woke up and started
>crying, and because i was at uni, i phoned later that day to see if she was
>alright.  It turned out she had been unwell all that night, and the next day
>went into hospital.  She has bowel cancer, and next Thursday goes into
>hospital to have an operation to have the mass removed and then she has
>chemotherapy.  She could either have had just chemotherapy, or surgery and
>chemotherapy, and she is in the latter group.  I'm worried because i saw an
>incision in the dream and then the dream ended badly.

   This would not be an unexpected incident to a healer. Your mother
was ill and in need of healing, so you tried to find her and heal her.

  The inscription is important, Mary: "Lonely Mary savant." Savant is
french for 'to know' and also for the 'Idiot Savant' the wise fool, or
the blessed innocent. Someone to whom things happen. Mary knows that
she will be lonely soon. If you expect the worse, it will be no shock
to you; but if you can deliver healing and love and comfort to the
most lonely and frightened person around at the moment (your mother)
you will both feel that you did 'try to help' because of the love you
share. Many Hospices and hospitals welcome healers to the bedsides of
the dying; the healing helps ease the transition between one world and
the next. Why are you not by her bedside now?

>The dream i had back in May also makes me wonder if there's any way i can
>help her.  I have been asking my angel or spirit guide (who i don't know if
>i've met yet even!) before i go to sleep if i can help heal her, but so far,
>nothing has happened.

  Yes, your requests have been answered. Your angel took you to the
bedside of your parents, and to search for your mother. Your angel has
made you aware that you have the potential to become a healer. Your
angel has alerted you to the self-awareness that your mother may die
soon. Thank your angel, who has come to answer your cry for help: 
now learn more about your angel during meditation, and work with their
virtue and strength to heal your mother, others, and yourself.

>So, finally, i come to my request.  Is there anyone in the group who has
>healed someone through a dream, and how did they reach this state?  I feel
>that i have to try, but i don't know quite how to do this.  Or is there
>anyone who can leave their body and then heal?  I've been trying to leave my
>body so that i can go and do like i did in this dream, go and see if i can
>heal her, but nothing has been happening.  Or, can anyone here leave their
>body and then get someone else 'out', because i seem to be having trouble
>even getting anywhere near the state to exit.  This is a serious and sincere
>request for help from anyone here on this ng.

  A dream state is a valid one from which to begin healing, and you
are already aware that these particular 'dreams' have been entirely
different from an 'everynight kind of dream' . You have already begun
instinctively to use the same healing processes as any 'professional'
healer - laying on hands and letting heat flood into the affected
area, or in the case of inflammation, drawing heat out. This can be
done on the Astral just as it can be done in person. Doing it 'in real
life' is better, I find, as you can work on other auric layers than
just the astral, and also your patient is better able to engage in
dialogue about the process! But some people are too far away, too
infectious, or too resistant to the idea and so astral healing can
fulfill an important need. 
    When I do Astral healing, I either call the patient into my astral
workroom, or float over their bedsides and heal them there. You can
learn to do this too. Most people are aware of the healing, even if
they only report an unusually deep and refreshing sleep.
   I will copy out a recent post of mine about healing, which should
answer many of your initial questions:

   Many beginner healers (as I was until quite recently) do make a
direct link with the patient. They strengthen and reinforce the area
of illness through their own bodies. They actually take on the pain
which they are trying to heal, although usually in a lesser intensity.

   The patient's healing is rapid but the healer suffers the pain for
several days. Thus, the healer rapidly tires, becomes ill, and is
invaded by the patient's symptoms. I remember someone who was very
depressed grabbing my hand and draining all my vitality one day. 
I became quite ill by glibly 'handing out healing' all over the place.

   This fits with the 'Noli Me Tangere' incident with Jesus (when a
sick woman touched the hem of his robe and drained his energy - not
sure of the reference, it is a long time since I read it). Many
untrained or natural healers suffer 'burn out' beacouse they use their
own resources of energy to act as the 'jump circuit' in this way.Thus,
an untrained 'someone' with cancer of the pancreas would be unable to
heal another person with the same condition as it would worsen their
own health.
   However, for a healer who is trained or who has experienced the
'healing revelation' including Reiki training, the situation is
entirely different. Many of the best healers are people who have been
seriously ill; one of my own healers has survived two bouts of cancer.
    She works with Matthew Manning, one of world's most famous
healers. He passes the healing power of the universe or the divine or
of god (whatever the beholder believes) directly through his hands
into the patient, who often collapses or is overcome with the power
and intensity of the experience. His assistants then soothe and
complete the healing process as Matthew passes on to the next patient
in a circle of up to 60 people - all have whom have paid as much as
they can afford for the process. As some patients arrive by private
helicopter from abroad I expect that some people pay a great deal,
poor ones pay what they can afford. 
  The issue of paying for 'divine' healing is a very sticky one, and
most healers operate a donations box. Interestingly, the most
spiritually advanced people I have come across , like Matthew Manning,
as far as I know, have never applied for this much vaunted Randi's
million dollars, have sufficient wealth given to them, and have never
been accused of fraud. Frustrating for the sceptics!
  The trained healer does use some protection techniques similar to
the ones John Fitzsimons advocates in this newsgroup. One puts on
'Psychic Marigolds' (astral yellow washing-up gloves!) to protect
herself from the patient's illnesses. Others (including myself) do not
use their own hands, instead physically operating the astral hands of
their angel or guardian. Reiki has its own system of defence
structures, and some healers heal and cleanse one another when
problems such as elemental spirits arise, attracted by the healer's
energy channel. This can be done astrally, not directly, through
meditation. The best protection is not to use your own body at all,
but as Matthew Manning does, to channel divine power straight through
the open conduit of your own body, thus healing and revitalising two
humans at once! 
   I have myself learned to channel the divine power through
meditation, and it is very potent indeed. But it is often
person-specific, perhaps because one individual can comprehend some
processes in a more effective way than another. For example, I do seem
blessed with a gift for healing painful knees or elbows. I have laid
hands on one man's swollen and painful knee, (uncured by doctors)
watched the swelling subside, and seen him lay down his walking stick,
and dance for the rest of the night! He was fine the next day. So if
the 'someone' with cancer of the pancreas was a trained healer, they
would in fact be able to heal another person with the same condition.

    So the question of how we tap into the Universe's own battery,
instead of into that of another person, does arise. 

   I hope that this is of help. Now that you have realised that you
have the power to heal, you can begin the long, arduous and
fascinating journey towards an entirely new goal. You will discover a
great deal about yourself along the way. Enjoy the trip!
 Good luck, Julia.

######

From: "dorothy dunne" <dorthd@televar.com>
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Hello Mary,

Yes, it sounds as though you have the ability - or potential ability - to
heal. I had a similar experience, though my circumstances are much
different. To begin with, I'm an experienced OBEer and have been for many
years. In addition, I have the attitude that it is not necessarily my place
to attempt healings because in my understanding of illnesses and other
traumas, there is some *reason* - on a soul level - that the individual is
going through that experience and unless the person comes to me asking for
help, then I am content to know that the wheels of the universe are running
smoothly without any undue interference from me.

That said, there was at least one instance when I helped in a healing. One
night, I got very sleepy around 9:30. It was unusual because I'm a bit of a
night owl ordinarily. Well, I gave in to my sleepiness and went to bed. As
soon as my head hit the pillow I was out of my body and soon ended up at my
parents' old house where I grew up. I was surprised to find my mother there
(at the time she was living in an apartment) and even more surprisingly, mom
could see me and recognized me.  Without thinking about it at all, I told
her that we were leaving. Facing her, I encircled her with my arms around
her upper body and we flew out of there. Once out of the house, I circled
around and wondered what the heck I was doing and only thought that I should
take her "home". (namely, where my body was. A little irrational in
retrospect !). Just then, I looked up and saw an amazing sight. A beautiful
iridescent cloud of bubbles that grew and shifted in a most amazing manner.
Mom disappeared and I found myself back in my body and feeling quite worried
about my mother. I even asked my husband after describing the experience the
next morning if he thought she may have died the night before. I reasoned
that I could have been shipping her off to heaven!   :-)  At the time she
had cancer of the larynx and had pretty much decided that she *was* ready to
die!

Nevertheless, mom's cancer did go into remission and she lived another 3
years
or so. It is my belief that on some level, mom or her angels knew that she
had 'unfinished business', wanted to buy some time and found a way, through
me, to get the job accomplished. I really feel that my part in it was pretty
small, and that I agreed on some super(?), un(?)conscious level to help out.

BTW, my mother's name was Mary, too.  :-)
Anyway, I hope this little anecdote helps you sort through your feelings.
Please email me if you like.

Dorothy.

Mary <mary.sweeney1@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:854mup$iu$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net...
> I had a dream last night which i have just remembered whilst reading the
> posts and seeing people's names......i dreamt about Garrison Hilliard!!  I
> was with a group of people and they mentioned his name, and i started
> shouting that i knew him, i think i may have been with some people from my
> Tae Kwon Do club (?!) - i'm sorry, i can't remember much more.  But would
i
> count this as a dream or a nightmare?  ;-)
>
> Onto something else now.....I have never had much success when it comes to
> oob'ing, i don't know if it's due to lack of concentration (i'm going to
> start yoga to help me with meditation and concentration), i'm not doing
the
> right things, not disclipined or what.  But i have always have very long
and
> vivid dreams, which led me to find out about the dreams newsgroups and
then
> this one.  I had a dream about six months ago, back in May i think, where
i
> floated into my parent's room, and they were both lying on top of the bed,
> but they couldn't see me.  I went over to my mother and held my hands over
> her lower abdominal area and i heard her say to my father she could feel
> heat in that area, but of course, as they couldn't see me, they did not
know
> where it was coming from.  My mother has had ovarian cancer.  Then i moved
> round to my father and did the same thing, and he said that he could feel
> heat in that area too.  He has had bowel cancer.  I think this must have
> been a dream because i don't remember leaving my body, and my parents were
> actually in Australia at the time.  When they came back i asked my mother
if
> anything like this had happened, and she said no, she hadn't felt heat or
> anything like that.  But i'm wondering if this means i have the potential
to
> heal or what.
>
> The reason i writing all of this is because back in December, i dreamt my
> mother was ill, she was in hospital, and i remember seeing some sort of
> incision, just a vague image, then looking on a door and seeing the words
> 'lonely mary savant', and going into a room to look for my mother, but the
> bed was empty, and when i went into another room, i found two cousins of
> mine nursing a baby and they said she was gone.  I woke up and started
> crying, and because i was at uni, i phoned later that day to see if she
was
> alright.  It turned out she had been unwell all that night, and the next
day
> went into hospital.  She has bowel cancer, and next Thursday goes into
> hospital to have an operation to have the mass removed and then she has
> chemotherapy.  She could either have had just chemotherapy, or surgery and
> chemotherapy, and she is in the latter group.  I'm worried because i saw
an
> incision in the dream and then the dream ended badly.
>
> The dream i had back in May also makes me wonder if there's any way i can
> help her.  I have been asking my angel or spirit guide (who i don't know
if
> i've met yet even!) before i go to sleep if i can help heal her, but so
far,
> nothing has happened.
>
> So, finally, i come to my request.  Is there anyone in the group who has
> healed someone through a dream, and how did they reach this state?  I feel
> that i have to try, but i don't know quite how to do this.  Or is there
> anyone who can leave their body and then heal?  I've been trying to leave
my
> body so that i can go and do like i did in this dream, go and see if i can
> heal her, but nothing has been happening.  Or, can anyone here leave their
> body and then get someone else 'out', because i seem to be having trouble
> even getting anywhere near the state to exit.  This is a serious and
sincere
> request for help from anyone here on this ng.
>
> --Mary.
>
>

######

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Mary wrote in message <854mup$iu$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net>...
>I had a dream last night which i have just remembered whilst reading the
>posts and seeing people's names......i dreamt about Garrison Hilliard!!  I
>was with a group of people and they mentioned his name, and i started
>shouting that i knew him, i think i may have been with some people from my
>Tae Kwon Do club (?!) - i'm sorry, i can't remember much more.  But would i
>count this as a dream or a nightmare?  ;-)
>
    I don't know, was he charming in your dream or was he more like a broken
tape machine? Hee, hee. I remember when I was having my dry spell and
everyone wanted to go to some place on the full moon, I forget where they
were meeting this time, I laughed myself to sleep thinking that on the the
very oddest chance I made it out I was going to have a hard time not going
there pulling him out of his body and forcing him to "crash" the party that
supposedly didn't exist. Of course, it didn't happen but I found the thought
incredibly amusing in a devilish sort of way. Of course, it isn't something
I recommend as it would surely backfire in terms setting yourself up for a
similar event in the future. And more than likely he would find the
experience "terrifying" which isn't what you'd want to aim for. Maybe, next
time we should "invite" Garrison to come along? Hee, hee. Sorry, I can't
help it. The thought of him out-of-body denying the experience every minute
and spouting his gibberish while he's out of body is INCREDIBLY AMUSING to
me. Okay, I know I have a warped sense of humor.

>So, finally, i come to my request.  Is there anyone in the group who has
>healed someone through a dream, and how did they reach this state?

   You can radiate healing energies in dreams, whether the person heals is
not up to us. You can see your own state of health while out-of-body and
choose to try and clear it or you can ignore it and get worse.

I feel
>that i have to try, but i don't know quite how to do this.  Or is there
>anyone who can leave their body and then heal?  I've been trying to leave
my
>body so that i can go and do like i did in this dream, go and see if i can
>heal her, but nothing has been happening.  Or, can anyone here leave their
>body and then get someone else 'out', because i seem to be having trouble
>even getting anywhere near the state to exit.  This is a serious and
sincere
>request for help from anyone here on this ng.
>
   You do not need to go out-of-body to direct healing energies to anyone.
You can pray for their healing, you can visualize thier healing and you can
send positive thoughts thier way. Put her on a prayer list. There have been
studies done that show this helps send healing their way.

>--Mary.
>
>