From: Aldous Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Too scared to continoue! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:50:21 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 51 Message-ID: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uvo1-122.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: www.univie.ac.at 946813364 183204 131.130.231.122 (2 Jan 2000 11:42:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-adm@news.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 11:42:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29239 Hi all! Yesterday it seemed i had the first attempt for an OBE. Actually i experimented the last weeks with LD, but didn't expect my body to respond so fast on my training. (which is, when i review the situation, quite silly to wonder about, because my body always reacted very fast on mental training - seems i am predestined) Anyway, what i wanted to say: I concentrated on starting to set my mind to have a lucid dream tonight, speaking to me that i am calm, imagine a scenery, changing objects, etc. etc - as I normally do when preparing for LD: Anyway, then it started. I began adding sounds to my scenery, but in contrast to my normal accoustic experiences, those sounds yesterday where extremely intense. It was like if I would stand inside my brain and listen to sounds that came from everywhere around me. Everything happened very fast. Then i fell completely into a black scene, with sounds, extremely intense sounds, only. Then the vibration started. I heard the vibrations, and somehow my whole body began to shake. This was quite disturbing for me, because it was just yesterday that i started to read about OOBE in alt.out-of-body and on the web. And i really felt how my body started to separate from my physical body. I mean, i am not sure about this one, thats why i write into that newsgroup to ask you if this is the beginning of an OBE. I was so terribly scared that i immediatly jumped out of bed and touched my body if i am still in it, and looked to my bed, if my body lies in there, and i am OOB. - i wasn't :) Anyway, then i said 'come on alex' and went back to bed, but exactly the same happend. Vibrations all over my body, very dark scenery when i closed my eyes, intense sounds. - I jumped up again, much more scared. This happened another 3 times, then i decided to watch a bit TV in order to let this feeling pass. Now in the morning i hate myself for this, maybe i missed a great opportunity... I am not sure if this was just some very very strange mental state which i connected to OOBE because i read about it just minutes before i went to bed, or if this really could have been an OOBE. Another question i have, because my ISP just allows me to read messages about 1 week old in all newsgroups - so if this question was asked thousends times before (which i guess), i beg your pardon - are there any riscs?. (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i am too stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) Thank you very much for reading this have nice dreams Alex -- aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria ###### From: "lorz" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:13:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.205.144 X-Trace: news4.atl 946830280 216.77.205.144 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:24:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:24:40 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29222 Hi Alex ugh welcome to the club, haha. I know the feeling exactly! I am still doing my best to get past that whole "fear" thing. There are a lot of theories on where the fear stems and I am sure you will hear some in reply from the NG. I tend to believe, in my opinion... that the feeling of intense fear and evil is from manifested from within and is just another obtacle to get over to get to the good stuff of enjoying the OOBE. Fear of the unknown can be very strong. I am going to keep trying to get past it when it happens to me. I wish you luck. Lorene -- All too often, when people talked about learning, they wanted you to see things their way. ---L.E. Modesitt, Jr. Aldous wrote in message news:386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net... > Hi all! > > Yesterday it seemed i had the first attempt for an OBE. > Actually i experimented the last weeks with LD, but didn't expect my > body to respond so fast on my training. (which is, when i review the > situation, quite silly to wonder about, because my body always reacted > very fast on mental training - seems i am predestined) > > Anyway, what i wanted to say: > I concentrated on starting to set my mind to have a lucid dream tonight, > speaking to me that i am calm, imagine a scenery, changing objects, etc. > etc - as I normally do when preparing for LD: > Anyway, then it started. I began adding sounds to my scenery, but in > contrast to my normal accoustic experiences, those sounds yesterday > where extremely intense. It was like if I would stand inside my brain > and listen to sounds that came from everywhere around me. Everything > happened very fast. > Then i fell completely into a black scene, with sounds, extremely > intense sounds, only. > Then the vibration started. I heard the vibrations, and somehow my whole > body began to shake. This was quite disturbing for me, because it was > just yesterday that i started to read about OOBE in alt.out-of-body and > on the web. > And i really felt how my body started to separate from my physical body. > I mean, i am not sure about this one, thats why i write into that > newsgroup to ask you if this is the beginning of an OBE. > I was so terribly scared that i immediatly jumped out of bed and touched > my body if i am still in it, and looked to my bed, if my body lies in > there, and i am OOB. - i wasn't :) > Anyway, then i said 'come on alex' and went back to bed, but exactly the > same happend. Vibrations all over my body, very dark scenery when i > closed my eyes, intense sounds. - I jumped up again, much more scared. > This happened another 3 times, then i decided to watch a bit TV in order > to let this feeling pass. Now in the morning i hate myself for this, > maybe i missed a great opportunity... > > I am not sure if this was just some very very strange mental state which > i connected to OOBE because i read about it just minutes before i went > to bed, or if this really could have been an OOBE. > > Another question i have, because my ISP just allows me to read messages > about 1 week old in all newsgroups - so if this question was asked > thousends times before (which i guess), i beg your pardon - are there > any riscs?. (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i > am too stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) > > Thank you very much for reading this > have nice dreams > Alex > -- > aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 18:30:29 +0100 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 78 Message-ID: <386F8B35.D9DF149D@algonet.se> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu81-253.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: zingo.tninet.se 946834233 17972 195.163.253.81 (2 Jan 2000 17:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 17:30:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29219 Hi Alex, Aldous wrote: > > Hi all! [snip] > Then i fell completely into a black scene, with sounds, extremely > intense sounds, only. Then the vibration started. I heard the > vibrations, and somehow my whole body began to shake. This was quite > disturbing for me, because it was just yesterday that i started to > read about OOBE in alt.out-of-body and on the web. The vibes, yes. Not everyone who goes OOB gets them but many do. They can be very intense indeed; they have been likened to electric shocks, the roar of a jet engine, or being in a sandstorm. If you are unprepared for them they can be quite frightening, and they are usually accompanied by bodily paralysis. Generally their intensity lessens with time as you become accustomed to them. > And i really felt how my body started to separate from my physical > body. I mean, i am not sure about this one, thats why i write into > that newsgroup to ask you if this is the beginning of an OBE. It sure sounds like it. > I was so terribly scared that i immediatly jumped out of bed and > touched my body if i am still in it, and looked to my bed, if my body > lies in there, and i am OOB. - i wasn't :) > Anyway, then i said 'come on alex' and went back to bed, but exactly > the same happend. Vibrations all over my body, very dark scenery when > i closed my eyes, intense sounds. - I jumped up again, much more > scared. This happened another 3 times, then i decided to watch a bit > TV in order to let this feeling pass. Now in the morning i hate myself > for this, maybe i missed a great opportunity... Maybe you did, but I am certain you will have many more. > I am not sure if this was just some very very strange mental state > which i connected to OOBE because i read about it just minutes before > i went to bed, or if this really could have been an OOBE. > > Another question i have, because my ISP just allows me to read > messages about 1 week old in all newsgroups (Methinks you should ask your ISP what possible reason they can have for that. Defeats the entire purpose of the Usenet.) > - so if this question was asked thousands of times before (which i > guess), i beg your pardon - are there any risks?. Possibly, but IMHO they seem not to be very great, at least. I have done this hundreds of times in more than 5 years, and have *never* been in a situation that really was dangerous. Sure I have been afraid, but only a very few times in the beginning. Others in the NG have done OBEs for much longer than me, too. > (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i am too > stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) Unfortunately, I donīt know the current situation in regards to FAQs. Anyone else? > Thank you very much for reading this > have nice dreams > Alex See you out there... /Gunnar ---------------------------------------- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity ---------------------------------------- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: 02 Jan 2000 23:09:21 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6uhfgw2kj2.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <386F8B35.D9DF149D@algon et.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 946850961 1484 10.0.3.2 (2 Jan 2000 22:09:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 22:09:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29247 Gunnar Ljungstrand writes: > > Aldous wrote: > > > > > > Another question i have, because my ISP just allows me to read > > messages about 1 week old in all newsgroups > > (Methinks you should ask your ISP what possible reason they can have for > that. Defeats the entire purpose of the Usenet.) Disk space limits. Usenet produces 10 GBytes daily. So many ISPs kill anything older than 3/5/7 days. The official term is to expire posts. My ISP also does so on 7 days. > > (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i am too > > stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) > > Unfortunately, I donīt know the current situation in regards to FAQs. > Anyone else? No FAQs here. The group actually has none. There exists an OOB FAQ: http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html For the newsgroup try my "Best of" alt.out-of-body archive: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.out-of-body/ -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: "Vangelis Pantazis" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:17:39 +0200 Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Lines: 16 Message-ID: <84olur$313k$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <386F8B35.D9DF149D@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: vdp032.ath02.cas.hol.gr X-Trace: ulysses.noc.ntua.gr 946854683 99444 195.97.2.33 (2 Jan 2000 23:11:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntua.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 23:11:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.ntua.gr!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29288 Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message news:386F8B35.D9DF149D@algonet.se... > > (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i am too > > stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) > > Unfortunately, I donīt know the current situation in regards to FAQs. > Anyone else? > Try at http://www.commonlink.com/users/dc360/obe/default.html It's a little bit messed up, but you can get these faqs in plain text(I think 8 of them!) ###### From: "rbwalton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:19:06 -0800 Organization: Smart Lines: 60 Sender: rbwalton@freewwweb.com@*@216-224-146-238.stk.jps.net Message-ID: <84ouml$88a$3@news.smartworld.net> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <386F8B35.D9DF149D@algonet.se> <84olur$313k$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-224-146-238.stk.jps.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!attbtf!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29290 Or here is another. . . Out of Body FAQ http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html What you describe sounds all too familiar to me when I was starting. At this point. . . it seems to want you to have the experience. What is "it"? That one is hard to say. . .When I started it happened to me the same way. The vibrations would start, I would fight out of it only to have it return again. I would fight out of it and it would return again. . . 3-4 times in a night, and then the next night or so nothing. And then the next night 4-5 times. The only way I could deal with it was making a decision to not fight out of it the next time it would start. The not sleeping was having a worse impact on me than any fear I had from the experience. Of course, this is easy for me to say now so many years later. You still have to deal with what ever is causing your fear. For me, confronting the experience and trying to learn to live with it did the trick. Whether what I saw at this time was real or imagination, the experiences continue to this day. And I no longer fear them. This is not to say that it can not still startle me from time to time when I am not prepared or aware of what is coming. . . But the fear is gone. Nothing hurt me then, nothing hurts me now. It is such a intertwined part of my life, I can not imagine my life with out the experience at this point. But if it stopped tomorrow, that would be fine to because it has had such an impact on me in the many years it has happened. It has been enough up till now. The rest is a bonus at this point. -- Richard I have two ISP's with inconsistent news servers. If you really want to make sure I see your response, Email direct is best. Thanks. Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Join over one million searching for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com Vangelis Pantazis wrote in message news:84olur$313k$1@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr... > > Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message > news:386F8B35.D9DF149D@algonet.se... > > > > (if you can point me to faqs i would be very happy, maybe i am too > > > stupid, but i didn't find any faqs about OBE on the web so far) > > > > Unfortunately, I donīt know the current situation in regards to FAQs. > > Anyone else? > > > Try at http://www.commonlink.com/users/dc360/obe/default.html > It's a little bit messed up, but you can get these faqs in plain text(I > think 8 of them!) > > > ###### From: Aldous Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:06:34 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 65 Message-ID: <3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uvo-110.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: www.univie.ac.at 946911538 113994 131.130.230.110 (3 Jan 2000 14:58:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-adm@news.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2000 14:58:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29305 Hi! Thank you for all your answers. I can guess now what things i can do. It funny though. I actually wanted to learn LD, and now I end up with OOBE. Interesting. Anyway, what i wanted to say: Yesterday I had it again. This time, i was a bit more prepared - i read for about 5 hours i think, just about OOBE techniques, and so on. My main interest was in "how can i get back to my body, once i am out", because i was terribly scared that i somehow have to be in a ghost-like state for the rest of my life, just because i missed to learn how to get back to my poor body. That would be a bummer :) I finally found an online book of [i forgot the name of the author] who wrote that it is just necessary that you are a bit scared, and you immediately get back to your body. Thats very good to hear. Anyway, I started to relax, and i didn't have to do much and the vibrations started again. But not in the same way as two days ago. First of all, it started very slowly. My physical accoustic abilities were very very intense, not as two days ago, where my physical accoustics seemed to have shut off, and my inner accoustic experiences were intense. I heard everything, but (i am not sure about the factor) 4 or 5 times more intense than normal. I have lots of plants in my room, and suddenly a leaf went down from one of them, "crashing" on some other - alread fallen - leaves on the ground. On the "impact" of this leaf i felt this sound on my whole body, i did have not just accoustic impressions but my whole body reacted in a very intersting and intensive way to feel. Actually I would compare this state yesterday to experiences i made with cannabies. But i haven't smoked it for about 5 years, so this was for sure not the reason for this experiences. Furthermore i felt extreme heat on my skin. I don't know why that could be. (anyone experience similar things?) Well, anyway, then when the vibrations where very intense, i started to try to let my body go and fly. I've read a message in this newsgroup where someone described his way of going out of the body as "vampire style". I thought that'd be funny, so i tried that, and i really felt that i was about 10 cm out of my body already. But then, again, i realized what i was doing, and suddenly was scared to death again and stopped immediately. It wasn't so much the fear of the unknow, but the heat i felt, and that i felt how i lost the control over my physical body. I am scared to death to feel the paralysis. I don't know why. I have always been a hypochondriac person, although it got better rescently, thats i think a reason why i am so scared. Some years ago for example, i felt my heart stop working, and then later, i was very sure i had a stroke, and so on. I was always very proficient in thinking i will die in 2 seconds. To your information, i am 19, and if i think in a rational way, the possiblity that i have stroke and a heartattack is very low, but.. yeah, i guess thats the suffering of an hypochondriac. But maybe using OOBE i can get over this pathologic part of mine. anyway thanks again for reading have nice dreams Alex -- aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria ###### From: "carolisle" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:41:52 -0000 Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <38712b7b_2@news2.vip.uk.com> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.194.174 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.250.101.2 X-Trace: 3 Jan 2000 23:06:37 GMT, 10.250.101.2 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!10.250.101.2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29327 Aldous wrote in message news:3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net... > > But then, again, i realized what i was doing, and suddenly was scared to > death again and stopped immediately. > It wasn't so much the fear of the unknow, but the heat i felt, and that > i felt how i lost the control over my physical body. I am scared to > death to feel the paralysis. I don't know why. > I have always been a hypochondriac person, although it got better > rescently, thats i think a reason why i am so scared. Some years ago for > example, i felt my heart stop working, and then later, i was very sure i > had a stroke, and so on. I was always very proficient in thinking i will > die in 2 seconds. > To your information, i am 19, and if i think in a rational way, the > possiblity that i have stroke and a heartattack is very low, but.. yeah, > i guess thats the suffering of an hypochondriac. But maybe using OOBE i > can get over this pathologic part of mine. > > anyway > thanks again for reading > have nice dreams > Alex > -- > aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria Hi Alex, The 'being scared' question comes up often, so you're not alone, (many of us have been there, and go there again sometimes!) With regards to physical fears of heart attack etc. it's important to remember that the racing heartbeat is not your physical heart but the corresponding chakra. Sorry I'm a bit late responding, but I've been thinking about what I'm most afraid of . . . what scares me witless! A lifetime as an automaton, responding only to physical stimuli. Several lifetimes locked in a self perpetuating prison of 'belief system'. Inflicting mental and physical hurt and suffering on my fellow men and women because I'm not listening for the voice of my own soul and am being led by the brain-dead. To become so deaf to my heart that I can condone the endless persecution of animals in laboratory experiments. etc. etc. . . When I consider the alternatives to searching within, the living in zombified flatland, I am afraid, very afraid . . . So for me, whatever's out there (or in here) I've got to keep looking. Something inside me would go bonkers with boredom if I didn't anyway. Sounds to me as though you're doing very well, don't worry, and all the best with the wonderful adventures that lie ahead of you, Love carol ###### From: "rbwalton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:55:58 -0800 Organization: Smart Lines: 80 Sender: rbwalton@freewwweb.com@*@216-224-147-37.stk.jps.net Message-ID: <84rks2$6mj$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-224-147-37.stk.jps.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone2.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29344 Aldous. . . This on-line book that says fear is necessary to come back to your physical body. . . This is not a good way to think of it. Fear will bring you back to physical awareness, but simply thinking of your body will also do it. The one complaint I have about my own experiences aside from there not being enough of them, is that they do not last long enough. But fear has nothing to do with the length of time I spend "out". And I rarely think of my body while out. The experience just fades away on its own. It is like it takes a lot of concentrated effort to maintain the experience, and after a while you rest, and it is over. For me at this point, I return to physical awareness and the "vibration" is still there for another attempt. I have also noticed an extreme hearing. It is like at the particular awareness level you are in during the early stages hearing is very acute. And I have noticed a link between hearing a sound and the beginning of the wave of vibrations. Fear of permanent paralysis. . . From what I hear, it is a natural thing for the body to become paralyzed temporarily while you are asleep. The difference for you is that you are not asleep when this is happening, so you have to deal with the sensations with your awake mind. It is still a temporary thing. I have never heard of anyone suffering a permanent disability from sleeping. :^) This is no different. For me the loss of sleep from my original fear was far worse impact on me than anything that I experienced once I made it out. Even in this early stage. Once you can get past this, it will be easy. And you will wonder why it was ever something you were afraid of. Again, easy for me to say now. -- Richard Out of Body FAQ http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/obe-faq.html I have two ISP's with inconsistent news servers. If you really want to make sure I see your response, Email direct is best. Thanks. Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Join over one million searching for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com Aldous wrote in message news:3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net... > Hi! > > Thank you for all your answers. > I can guess now what things i can do. It funny though. I actually wanted > to learn LD, and now I end up with OOBE. Interesting. > > Anyway, what i wanted to say: > Yesterday I had it again. This time, i was a bit more prepared - i read snipped > But then, again, i realized what i was doing, and suddenly was scared to > death again and stopped immediately. > It wasn't so much the fear of the unknow, but the heat i felt, and that > i felt how i lost the control over my physical body. I am scared to > death to feel the paralysis. I don't know why. > I have always been a hypochondriac person, although it got better > rescently, thats i think a reason why i am so scared. Some years ago for > example, i felt my heart stop working, and then later, i was very sure i > had a stroke, and so on. I was always very proficient in thinking i will > die in 2 seconds. > To your information, i am 19, and if i think in a rational way, the > possiblity that i have stroke and a heartattack is very low, but.. yeah, > i guess thats the suffering of an hypochondriac. But maybe using OOBE i > can get over this pathologic part of mine. > > anyway > thanks again for reading > have nice dreams > Alex > -- > aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria ###### From: Ann Marie Newell Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Too scared to continoue! Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:36:37 -0800 Organization: Ann Marie Newell Design Lines: 124 Message-ID: <38722FA0.81447019@newelldesign.com> References: <386F3B7D.8FA50697@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> <3870BAFA.498AEBCD@_kein_spam_blackbox.net> Reply-To: am@newelldesign.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:29334 Hi there, Aldous wrote: > Hi! > > Thank you for all your answers. > I can guess now what things i can do. It funny though. I actually wanted > to learn LD, and now I end up with OOBE. Interesting. > > Anyway, what i wanted to say: > Yesterday I had it again. This time, i was a bit more prepared - i read > for about 5 hours i think, just about OOBE techniques, and so on. My > main interest was in "how can i get back to my body, once i am out", > because i was terribly scared that i somehow have to be in a ghost-like > state for the rest of my life, just because i missed to learn how to get > back to my poor body. That would be a bummer :) I can understand your fear, but I want to tell you that I would be very surprised if you weren't able to very easily get back into your body. All I need to is "think" about waking up when I'm astral traveling to get right back in. It's an easy technique, and doesn't require anything fancy like "rolling back into your body".. In my opinion, I don't think anything like that is necessary. I think Robert Monroe said something along the lines that "in this world, thought equals reality." This statement has been confirmed in almost all of my astral experiences! > > I finally found an online book of [i forgot the name of the author] who > wrote that it is just necessary that you are a bit scared, and you > immediately get back to your body. Thats very good to hear. > You don't even have to "get scared" to get back into your body! You can very pleasantly, happily get back into it as well! > > Anyway, I started to relax, and i didn't have to do much and the > vibrations started again. But not in the same way as two days ago. > > First of all, it started very slowly. My physical accoustic abilities > were very very intense, not as two days ago, where my physical > accoustics seemed to have shut off, and my inner accoustic experiences > were intense. > I heard everything, but (i am not sure about the factor) 4 or 5 times > more intense than normal. > I have lots of plants in my room, and suddenly a leaf went down from one > of them, "crashing" on some other - alread fallen - leaves on the > ground. > On the "impact" of this leaf i felt this sound on my whole body, i did > have not just accoustic impressions but my whole body reacted in a very > intersting and intensive way to feel. > Actually I would compare this state yesterday to experiences i made with > cannabies. But i haven't smoked it for about 5 years, so this was for > sure not the reason for this experiences. > Furthermore i felt extreme heat on my skin. I don't know why that could > be. (anyone experience similar things?) > The "volume" often goes up, both in visual and auditory abilities while in the astral plane, It can often be very fun! > > Well, anyway, then when the vibrations where very intense, i started to > try to let my body go and fly. I've read a message in this newsgroup > where someone described his way of going out of the body as "vampire > style". I thought that'd be funny, so i tried that, and i really felt > that i was about 10 cm out of my body already. > > But then, again, i realized what i was doing, and suddenly was scared to > death again and stopped immediately. > It wasn't so much the fear of the unknow, but the heat i felt, and that > i felt how i lost the control over my physical body. I am scared to > death to feel the paralysis. I think that the reason you are feeling it (the paralysis) so intensely is precisely because you are afraid of feeling it. After I had had the vibrations and paralysis more times than I could count, I realized it wouldn't kill me, and then adopted a "what the hell" attitude and finally relaxed into it. At that moment all the unpleasantness stopped. And at the time I had NO idea what an out of body experience even was! You are really one step ahead of the game because you realize what is going on and are educating yourself. Now, years later, the vibrations usually take the form of a nice soft hum for me, and zoom, out of body! > I don't know why. > I have always been a hypochondriac person, although it got better > rescently, thats i think a reason why i am so scared. Some years ago for > example, i felt my heart stop working, and then later, i was very sure i > had a stroke, and so on. I was always very proficient in thinking i will > die in 2 seconds. I think that OBEs often happen naturally to people who are really sensistive and I have read that people who OBE often have a very sentient, nervous temprament. Maybe this all goes along with the package! In my teen years I also had fears of "sudden death." They took the form of anxiety attacks that have really diminished as I've gotten older. In fact, having OBEs has proven to me on a personal level that I exist apart from my body, therefore death is no longer so scary... > > To your information, i am 19, and if i think in a rational way, the > possiblity that i have stroke and a heartattack is very low, but.. yeah, > i guess thats the suffering of an hypochondriac. But maybe using OOBE i > can get over this pathologic part of mine. I started having OBEs when I was 16, and now well over a decade later, after having at least one or two every couple of weeks since them I'm still totally fine and healthy. Experiencing all of this for yourself, seeing how by lowering and finally eradicating your fear level will totally change your astral experiences is a wonderful experience!! sincerely, Ann Marie Newell > > > anyway > thanks again for reading > have nice dreams > Alex > -- > aldous@blackbox.net, Vienna, Austria