From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Lines: 109 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:22:10 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 946122072 156.46.129.39 (Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:41:12 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:41:12 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com>... > > Well, I do like the 'elf-bowling' image, but mine was also oddly >compatible with your description: > I stuck a painting by my son (age 5) over the monitor. It was a >snowscene with white (rather greyish white actually) on black paper. >The scene is mostly black with blobs of 'snow' but on the top >mid-right portion of the screen (as the picture sat on it) there is a >rather vague snowman. No face etc, but a very definite squat >'bowling-pin' shape, or 'hourglass' (smaller at the top than bottom) >or broad 'shoe-pad' shape. > This fits closely with your assumption that you had one aural >message - 'bowling-pin' with Haunter's Elves, plus one greyish shape >in that exact location and very much that shape. So, I reckon HIT! Hello Julia and Haunter-dude! And a very Merry Christmas morning to you all on the NG! I am pleased with these results, and I also reckon "hit" albeit a subtle one! I _ know _ I went somewhere...and these are compatible! Of course, GH has probably ripped his Dr. Scholl's footpad off his monitor and thrown it violently across the room..... and now he ain't talkin'! hahahaha! :) > > The really curious thing, though, is that although I posted the >picture up at the time your operation was due, I forget to stick it up >at the actual time of your operation (oops, sorry!). But I intended to >do so... I feel that with healing, the intent is usually sufficient >even if the healer later forgets to actually perform the meditation. >So the same thing seems to have happened here! Perhaps my healing >intenetion to help you through a pain-free recovery tangled up with my >intenetion to stick the picture up.... or are the same processes >active? Oh, I believe so, yes. And I thank you for the "healing" and comforting vibes which you sent! Time is really irrelevent,...it's an emotional world "in there". What really happens, I believe, is that when I "search" for those messages, or "go" to a person,... I am actually connecting into your subconscious world! I am entering your own construct of emotions and getting the information there, maybe? Therefore, my asking "what is on the computer screen" to your own subconscious....brings forth that image, no matter "when" in real time it was posted there! The more I think about it, the more sense this makes to me. If we are actually connecting our "souls" at the subconscious level, that would explain alot of the difficulty of interpretation, wouldn't it? (by the way...it's 4:30 a.m. here,... and I've found I often get automatic "insights" about things just after waking up...that's why I'm giving this some credence!) ... Your mental construct of the world is unique to anyone else's, naturally. So therefore there is bound to be interpretation difficulties. I am seeing through "your" eyes at that moment...and my mind is comparing and sorting through images there, which are unfamiliar to my experience,...hence confusion! If the three of us connected at once....I can understand there would be quite a muddle! :) I can see how healing would work this way, too. The human body and psyche is very capable of healing itself...this is inherent in each of us. However, we put up mental blockages to our own healing processes, for various reasons. If the "healer" is actually melding with the subconsciousness of the "healee"...then they are merely helping to bridge those blockages by superimposing their own "circuit" (healthy in that particular area) over the other. They are acting as "jumper wires", so to speak. If this is the case though,....then I would expect to find that, say,... someone with cancer of the pancreas would be unable to heal another person with the same condition. Make sense? I'm rambling...I'll stop now. > > Well done, Bruce, I admire the great strength of will which >defeated the very strong anaesthaesia you were given. Thank you Julia. However, I don't really have a very strong sense of will-power, so I don't attribute it to that. If I did....I could stop smoking, eh? :) I have found that what it takes is confidence that something will happen...or, faith, if you will. Some may laugh about this...but, I had consulted my pendulum before going to have the surgery. It indicated that I would have some "recalled success" of getting OOB. And I was confident in that,...so, I did. In this manner, I probably actually gave my subconscious a "self-hypnotic" suggestion to go OOB, and remember! And I did. It said my discomfort wouldn't be nearly as bad as I feared.....it wasn't. It said I would become slightly sick to the stomach in recovery....I was. P.S.: it also said that Trish WAS my son, as you stated, Julia! Thanks! With strength of >will and training like that, eventually anaesthesia will be >unnecessary for operations... and perhaps strength of trained healers >will render the operations irrelevant as well. I have great hope for >the obeing human future! I agree. I feel that this is a "lost art" which mankind has forgotten, becomming too involved in the material world! The Aboriginies still practice this, however. There is a book you must read, Julia, about this! It was lent to me, but I have yet to obtain a copy. I believe it was called "Messages From Down-Under"??? Perhaps the Group can help, here. It is a must-read!!! Please do, if you haven't already! It's about a woman who goes on a "walk-about" in Australia with the Aboriginies...and her detailed experiences with them and their spirituality! > Wishing you happy healing! >Love from Julia. Thank-you once again! Sending Happy Thoughts back to you all....... Bruce D. Yager ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:08:39 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 154 Message-ID: <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: useraj67.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 946206627 25772 62.188.133.196 (26 Dec 1999 11:10:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 1999 11:10:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!eyre.news.uk.uu.net!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:22:10 -0600, "B.D. Yager" wrote: >Hello Julia and Haunter-dude! And a very Merry Christmas morning to you all >on the NG! I am pleased with these results, and I also reckon "hit" albeit >a subtle one! I _ know _ I went somewhere...and these are compatible! >Of course, GH has probably ripped his Dr. Scholl's footpad off his monitor >and thrown it violently across the room..... and now he ain't talkin'! >hahahaha! :) Mmmmm, the silence is deafening... >Oh, I believe so, yes. And I thank you for the "healing" and comforting >vibes which you sent! Time is really irrelevent,...it's an emotional world >"in there". What really happens, I believe, is that when I "search" for >those messages, or "go" to a person,... I am actually connecting into your >subconscious world! I am entering your own construct of emotions and >getting the information there, maybe? Therefore, my asking "what is on the >computer screen" to your own subconscious....brings forth that image, no >matter "when" in real time it was posted there! The more I think about it, >the more sense this makes to me. If we are actually connecting our "souls" >at the subconscious level, that would explain alot of the difficulty of >interpretation, wouldn't it? (by the way...it's 4:30 a.m. here,... and I've >found I often get automatic "insights" about things just after waking >up...that's why I'm giving this some credence!) ... Your mental construct >of the world is unique to anyone else's, naturally. So therefore there is >bound to be interpretation difficulties. I am seeing through "your" eyes at >that moment...and my mind is comparing and sorting through images there, >which are unfamiliar to my experience,...hence confusion! If the three of >us connected at once....I can understand there would be quite a muddle! :) Yes, that would fit with the telepathy I experience when I visit people, glimpsing images and emotions flashing through their minds as I connect with them. I still don't understand how I got so very accurate a vision of Jim Williams old curtains, though.... >I can see how healing would work this way, too. The human body and psyche >is very capable of healing itself...this is inherent in each of us. >However, we put up mental blockages to our own healing processes, for >various reasons. If the "healer" is actually melding with the >subconsciousness of the "healee"...then they are merely helping to bridge >those blockages by superimposing their own "circuit" (healthy in that >particular area) over the other. They are acting as "jumper wires", so to >speak. If this is the case though,....then I would expect to find that, >say,... someone with cancer of the pancreas would be unable to heal another >person with the same condition. Make sense? I'm rambling...I'll stop now. Hmmm, I'm not sure about this theory. Many beginner healers (as I was until quite recently) do make a direct link with the patient. They strengthen and reinforce the area of illness through their own bodies. They actually take on the pain which they are trying to heal, although usually in a lesser intensity. The patient's healing is rapid but the healer suffers the pain for several days. Thus, the healer rapidly tires, becomes ill, and is invaded by the patient's symptoms. I remember someone who was very depressed grabbing my hand and draining all my vitality one day. I became quite ill by glibly 'handing out healing' all over the place. This fits with the 'Noli Me Tangere' incident with Jesus (when a sick woman touched the hem of his robe and drained his energy - not sure of the reference, it is a long time since I read it). Many untrained or natural healers suffer 'burn out' beacouse they use their own resources of energy to act as the 'jump circuit' in this way.Thus, an untrained 'someone' with cancer of the pancreas would be unable to heal another person with the same condition as it would worsen their own health. However, for a healer who is trained or who has experienced the 'healing revelation' including Reiki training, the situation is entirely different. Many of the best healers are people who have been seriously ill; one of my own healers has survived two bouts of cancer. She works with Matthew Manning, one of world's most famous healers. He passes the healing power of the universe or the divine or of god (whatever the beholder believes) directly through his hands into the patient, who often collapses or is overcome with the power and intensity of the experience. His assistants then soothe and complete the jhealing process as Matthew passes on to the next patient in a circle of up to 60 people - all have whom have paid as much as they can afford for the process. As some patients arrive by private helicopter from abroad I expect that some people pay a great deal, poor ones pay what they can afford. The issue of paying for 'divine' healing is a very sticky one, and most healers operate a donations box. Interestingly, the most spiritually advanced people I have come across , like MM, AFAIK, have never applied for this much vaunted millon dollars, have sufficient wealth given to them, and have never been accused of fraud. Frustrating for the sceptics! The trained healer does use some protection techniques similar to the ones JF advocates. One uses 'Psychic Marigolds' (astral yellow washing-up gloves!) to protect herself from the patient's illnesses. Others (including myself) do not use their own hands, instead physically operating the astral hands of their angel or guardian. Reiki has its own system of defence structures, and some healers heal and cleanse one another when problems such as elemental spirits arise, attracted by the healer's energy channel. This can be done astrally, not directly, through meditation. The best protection is not to use your own body at all, but as MM does, to channel divine power staight through the open conduit of your own body, thus healing and revitalising two humans at once! I have myself learned to channel the divine power through meditation, and it is very potent indeed. But it is often person - specific, perhaps because one individual can comprehend some processes in a more effective way than another. For example, I do seem blessed with a gift for healing painful knees or elbows. I have laid hands on one man's swollen and painful knee, (uncured by doctors) watched the swelling subside, and seen him lay down his walking stick, and dance for the rest of the night! He was fine the next day. So if the 'someone' with cancer of the pancreas was a trained healer, they would in fact be able to heal another person with the same condition. So the question of how we tap into the Universe's own battery, instead of into that of another person, does arise. How is that working, then? >> Well done, Bruce, I admire the great strength of will which >>defeated the very strong anaesthaesia you were given. > >Thank you Julia. However, I don't really have a very strong sense of >will-power, so I don't attribute it to that. If I did....I could stop >smoking, eh? :) I have found that what it takes is confidence that >something will happen...or, faith, if you will. But Bruce, the 'confidence that something will happen...or, faith, if you will' IS willpower. That is how you stop smoking, or heal someone, or run a mile in 4 minutes. Willpower is powered by the divine. Accept that, and the world is your toy. Play with it wisely. >Some may laugh about >this...but, I had consulted my pendulum before going to have the surgery. >It indicated that I would have some "recalled success" of getting OOB. And >I was confident in that,...so, I did. In this manner, I probably actually >gave my subconscious a "self-hypnotic" suggestion to go OOB, and remember! >And I did. It said my discomfort wouldn't be nearly as bad as I >feared.....it wasn't. It said I would become slightly sick to the stomach >in recovery....I was. P.S.: it also said that Trish WAS my son, as you >stated, Julia! Thanks! Anyone who has actually tried dowsing and experienced the wave of surprise that it does actually work, won't laugh at it! From then on, the only limit is the dowser's imagination and powers of analysis. Scientists make very good dowsers, I hear... >With strength of >>will and training like that, eventually anaesthesia will be >>unnecessary for operations... and perhaps strength of trained healers >>will render the operations irrelevant as well. I have great hope for >>the obeing human future! > >I agree. I feel that this is a "lost art" which mankind has forgotten, >becomming too involved in the material world! The Aboriginies still >practice this, however. There is a book you must read, Julia, about this! >It was lent to me, but I have yet to obtain a copy. I believe it was called >"Messages From Down-Under"??? Perhaps the Group can help, here. It is a >must-read!!! Please do, if you haven't already! It's about a woman who >goes on a "walk-about" in Australia with the Aboriginies...and her detailed >experiences with them and their spirituality! Please do; I loved Bruce Chatwin's 'Songlines' so perhaps someone out there can track this book's title and author down for me, please. Love from Julia. ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Lines: 141 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:38:53 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 946302243 156.46.129.66 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:44:03 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:44:03 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Good morning Julia and Group! ................ Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com>... > Yes, that would fit with the telepathy I experience when I visit >people, glimpsing images and emotions flashing through their minds as >I connect with them. I still don't understand how I got so very >accurate a vision of Jim Williams old curtains, though.... I am not familiar with this one, Julia. Perhaps it was posted before I joined this NG? Or, my ISP has decided that this one wasn't for me! I've been having all sorts of trouble with it! I get answers to posts,...where I've never even seen the original! I have posts which disappear into never-never land which are only a couple days old! And, I'm getting cross-posts from another group that I could care less about! Sheesh. So, if I haven't answered some of you....rest assured that it's not intentional....I've just lost you! Sorry,...but don't know what to do about it! :( > >>speak. If this is the case though,....then I would expect to find that, >>say,... someone with cancer of the pancreas would be unable to heal another >>person with the same condition. Make sense? I'm rambling...I'll stop now. > > Hmmm, I'm not sure about this theory. > However, for a healer who is trained or who has experienced the >'healing revelation' including Reiki training, the situation is >entirely different. Many of the best healers are people who have been >seriously ill; one of my own healers has survived two bouts of cancer. >She works with Matthew Manning, one of world's most famous healers. >He passes the healing power of the universe or the divine or of god >(whatever the beholder believes) directly through his hands into the >patient, who often collapses or is overcome with the power and >intensity of the experience >Others (including myself) do not use their own hands, instead >physically operating the astral hands of their angel or guardian. >'someone' with cancer of the pancreas was a trained healer, they would >in fact be able to heal another person with the same condition. So the >question of how we tap into the Universe's own battery, instead of >into that of another person, does arise. How is that working, then? Whew! Well, I certainly can't argue with any of your statements, as this entire subject is quite out of my own expertise! I was merely pointing out the "mechanics" of the event as I speculated them, rather than the "methods" of the healings. And, I was only speculating those, also. But, it seems I have once again failed to do that clearly. Sorry. I don't disagree with you,...we're just talking about 2 different things again. :) Not important. As far a tapping into the Universal battery goes: IMO, we are all connected to it, and via that route are all connected to each other. It's not possible, IMO, to connect "directly" with another person without having that connection go through the Universal Consciousness, or "battery". > >>> Well done, Bruce, I admire the great strength of will which >>>defeated the very strong anaesthaesia you were given. >> >>Thank you Julia. However, I don't really have a very strong sense of >>will-power, so I don't attribute it to that. If I did....I could stop >>smoking, eh? :) I have found that what it takes is confidence that >>something will happen...or, faith, if you will. > > But Bruce, the 'confidence that something will happen...or, faith, >if you will' IS willpower. That is how you stop smoking, or heal >someone, or run a mile in 4 minutes. Willpower is powered by the >divine. Accept that, and the world is your toy. Play with it wisely. I cannot agree with you on this one, but perhaps it's only a matter of semantics. To me, willpower is a matter of keeping the "ego mind" in check... if I am physically and emotionally in desire of that next cigarette, then I call that "willpower" if I succesfully use my "mental mind" to say no, no, no,...and overcome that desire. If I say, ... I won't be late for work, I won't be late for work,... then it is willpower which gets my sorry butt in gear! However,... "faith" or "confidence" that something will happen is entirely a different thing! It is even deeper than a belief...it is a "knowing" without doubt, about something. As strong as if that "something" had already occurred in the physical realm. And when you have it,...then that "something" HAS to occur...because it already has! To have faith, is not to guess at something or hope for something....it is to "know" that it is so. It is strong enough to "move mountains" ! And you obtain it without practice or repitition. It just IS. So while I thank you for your compliments on my OOB while "under"... I cannot attribute that to willpower,...for I did not repeat to myself , I will, I will, I will.... I merely "knew" that I would.... without effort, prodding, nor practice. Do you see the difference? > > Anyone who has actually tried dowsing and experienced the wave of >surprise that it does actually work, won't laugh at it! From then on, >the only limit is the dowser's imagination and powers of analysis. >Scientists make very good dowsers, I hear... hahahahahha!!! Care to try it, John? :) > >>I agree. I feel that this is a "lost art" which mankind has forgotten, >>becomming too involved in the material world! The Aboriginies still >>practice this, however. There is a book you must read, Julia, about this! >>It was lent to me, but I have yet to obtain a copy. I believe it was called >>"Messages From Down-Under"??? Perhaps the Group can help, here. It is a >>must-read!!! Please do, if you haven't already! It's about a woman who >>goes on a "walk-about" in Australia with the Aboriginies...and her detailed >>experiences with them and their spirituality! > > Please do; I loved Bruce Chatwin's 'Songlines' so perhaps someone >out there can track this book's title and author down for me, please. >Love from Julia. Good news Julia...! I got in touch with my friend about the book, and here it is: "Mutant Message Down Under" by Marlo Morgan. Published in 1995 by Harper Collins. ISBN # 0-06-092631-7 This is listed as "fiction" for political purpose, but the author claims the book is non-fiction, nonetheless. Please obtain and read this! You just have to! Then, let me know what you thought of it... I know you will see yourself "walking in her experience"! B.D. Yager ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:54:37 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 118 Message-ID: <38677691.1794015@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userae59.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 946306593 11390 62.188.131.201 (27 Dec 1999 14:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 14:56:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:38:53 -0600, "B.D. Yager" wrote: >I am not familiar with this one, Julia. Perhaps it was posted before I >joined this NG? Or, my ISP has decided that this one wasn't for me! I've >been having all sorts of trouble with it! I get answers to posts,...where >I've never even seen the original! I have posts which disappear into >never-never land which are only a couple days old! And, I'm getting >cross-posts from another group that I could care less about! Sheesh. So, >if I haven't answered some of you....rest assured that it's not >intentional....I've just lost you! Sorry,...but don't know what to do about >it! :( Mmm, this would be Dejanews stuff. We all tried to visit Jim Williams house as he meditated us in. We aimed for a specific time period. We had to describe the room he was in. I was unable to meditate until a few minutes after he had left the target room. I described the layout and decor of the living room he had gone to sit in, the clothes he was wearing, the furniture of the room - all accurate except that I got an intense visual image of the pattern of his curtains. These were his old curtains, which had been replaced by his wife several weeks before by new ones.... So a very good hit marred by history! >Whew! Well, I certainly can't argue with any of your statements, as this >entire subject is quite out of my own expertise! I was merely pointing out >the "mechanics" of the event as I speculated them, rather than the "methods" >of the healings. And, I was only speculating those, also. But, it seems I >have once again failed to do that clearly. Sorry. I don't disagree with >you,...we're just talking about 2 different things again. :) Not >important. >As far a tapping into the Universal battery goes: IMO, we are all connected >to it, and via that route are all connected to each other. It's not >possible, IMO, to connect "directly" with another person without having that >connection go through the Universal Consciousness, or "battery". Undoubtably. >> But Bruce, the 'confidence that something will happen...or, faith, >>if you will' IS willpower. That is how you stop smoking, or heal >>someone, or run a mile in 4 minutes. Willpower is powered by the >>divine. Accept that, and the world is your toy. Play with it wisely. >> >I cannot agree with you on this one, but perhaps it's only a matter of >semantics. To me, willpower is a matter of keeping the "ego mind" in >check... if I am physically and emotionally in desire of that next >cigarette, then I call that "willpower" if I succesfully use my "mental >mind" to say no, no, no,...and overcome that desire. If I say, ... I won't >be late for work, I won't be late for work,... then it is willpower which >gets my sorry butt in gear! >However,... "faith" or "confidence" that something will happen is entirely a >different thing! It is even deeper than a belief...it is a "knowing" >without doubt, about something. As strong as if that "something" had >already occurred in the physical realm. And when you have it,...then that >"something" HAS to occur...because it already has! To have faith, is not to >guess at something or hope for something....it is to "know" that it is so. >It is strong enough to "move mountains" ! And you obtain it without >practice or repitition. It just IS. So while I thank you for your >compliments on my OOB while "under"... I cannot attribute that to >willpower,...for I did not repeat to myself , I will, I will, I will.... I >merely "knew" that I would.... without effort, prodding, nor practice. Do >you see the difference? Okay, I see what you mean. I have suffered from a debilitating illness for the last 12 years, M. E. (or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in the US). I have meantime become a wife and mother of two small boys, written a published novel and several stories, acted as editor of a newspaper, and run (virtually single-handed) an annual Folk Arts festival for 1000 people. It was not physical energy which made me get out of bed to do these things. It was willpower, gritting my teeth and getting up to get on with life, fortified with painkillers. So I know a lot about willpower and how it works. But I have been able to commit myself to these tasks (exhausting for a 'normal person' never mind an invalid) because I have had Faith that I can do these things. I 'know' that I can achieve the impossible, because my strength of will shall support me through it. So - to use your example - I knew that I would have the willpower to stop smoking when the time was right. When that day came (the day I saw my six-week old longed-for and fought-for first child wriggle on the hospital scan picture) I stopped smoking for good. No withdrawal, cravings or angst, the time was right for the phase of 'me being a smoker' to be over. As I knew it would be. If I even thought of having a cigarette, my willpower said, no, you don't need this. Any repeating of mantras (I will, I will, I will....) was not needed. I always knew that I would have a major illness half-way through my life, from the day I had my palm read as a 12 year old. The Gipsy Woman said that I would marry twice ("the first for love, the second for wisdom") lose several babies and then have two children (I lost four), have six careers (so far: architect, restaurant manager, publicity officer, teacher, writer, ...?), this major long-lasting illness (come to think of it, I should start getting better two years from now) and then I have a major life-task to perform, of which as yet I have no clue. (well, okay, a few small hints). But I do know that all the pain, grief, learning and struggle which I have fought through so far is all there to reinforce me for this final, grand duty. It will be hard work, but necessary. And every moment of it will be invigoratingly interesting! My willpower will support me through it all, I know. >> Anyone who has actually tried dowsing and experienced the wave of >>surprise that it does actually work, won't laugh at it! From then on, >>the only limit is the dowser's imagination and powers of analysis. >>Scientists make very good dowsers, I hear... >hahahahahha!!! Care to try it, John? :) Oooh, if only he had the courage.... >"Mutant Message Down Under" by Marlo Morgan. Published in 1995 by Harper >Collins. ISBN # 0-06-092631-7 This is listed as "fiction" for political >purpose, but the author claims the book is non-fiction, nonetheless. >Please obtain and read this! You just have to! Then, let me know what you >thought of it... I know you will see yourself "walking in her experience"! Aha, I have had this one recommended to me before. I will add it to my Must read list. Love from Julia. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:00:21 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38678c4b.1169847@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <38677691.1794015@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: usercb38.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 946310539 14721 62.188.150.205 (27 Dec 1999 16:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 16:02:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!do.de.uu.net!f.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:14:50 -0500, "lorz" wrote: >Just FYI great book Mutant Messages, she wrote a second book now too, I >have it at home and the name escapes me but if you do a search in amazon I'm >sure it will show up. Both good books! Hello, Lorene. I did shout for you to come to the Taj Mahal - did you get there? I hope you did. This Amazon I keep hearing about; is this a bookshop? Does it work in the UK? Do I have to give them my credit card number or do they do Switch? Is it safe to do so? How soon do they send the books? Are they reliable? What is their address? Love from Julia. ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <3867d259_2@news1.vip.uk.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Lines: 49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:03:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 946335863 156.46.129.167 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:04:23 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:04:23 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail carolisle wrote in message <3867d259_2@news1.vip.uk.com>... >> I am not familiar with this one, Julia. Perhaps it was posted before I >> joined this NG? Or, my ISP has decided that this one wasn't for me! I've >> been having all sorts of trouble with it! I get answers to posts,...where >> I've never even seen the original! I have posts which disappear into >> never-never land which are only a couple days old! And, I'm getting >> cross-posts from another group that I could care less about! Sheesh. So, >> if I haven't answered some of you....rest assured that it's not >> intentional....I've just lost you! Sorry,...but don't know what to do >about >> it! :( > >Hi BD Yager, > >Am having the same problems and have tried several ISPs . . . all UK >Freebies. Am so peed off with this that I am going to pay again. I would >love to have read the bit about Jim's curtains, didn't even know he'd posted >lately ('Hello Jim' if you actually see this post) Probably won't see it >myself. > >Hope you have recovered from the dental treatment, and it wasn't too >traumatic, > >Love carol > Hi Carol! Thanks for the best-wishes, and yeah.... I'm getting better everyday! I think I'll actually live! Well, since I'm in the good 'ole USA and having the same NG problems as you,... then I guess it's a universal glitch! With the millions of messages out there, it's probably just something we'll have to learn to live with, huh? Someone brought up the idea about doing another rendezvous at 2 a.m. on New Year's Eve.... (I think it was Julia?) Well kids,... I don't think that will work out toooo good. I have found that alcohol definately puts the dampers on my OOBE's!!! 'Course, maybe the whole night was an OOBE....who can tell??? :) B.D. Yager (Hey Carol,... my friends go right ahead and call me "Bruce". Feel free!) ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <38677691.1794015@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <8KS94.2722$_n6.979243@homer.alpha.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:35:29 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 946337796 156.46.129.167 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:36:36 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:36:36 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <38677691.1794015@news.dial.pipex.com>... >I described the layout and decor of the living room he had gone to sit >in, the clothes he was wearing, the furniture of the room - all >accurate except that I got an intense visual image of the pattern of >his curtains. These were his old curtains, which had been replaced by >his wife several weeks before by new ones.... So a very good hit >marred by history! Very good! I've had similar incidents where everything is nearly perfect (according to the material here-now) but some part of it is "out of time sequence". Such as those curtains. IMO, the reason we have that experience, and you'll notice that the one thing which "doesn't fit" is always very, very, clear and defined... is that it is a lesson being driven home for us, that "time" is irrelevent to the Astral! Every once in awhile we need to be reminded of that! I am sorry to learn of your illness,... I'm sure it's just a test! However, I can't really "see" myself smoke-free, until they start shoveling dirt on top of me! Don't know why,... but I truly enjoy it. Oh, well. >from now) and then I have a major life-task to perform, of which as >yet I have no clue. (well, okay, a few small hints). That final occupation of your's to come.... I'm going to guess, will have nothing to do with the commercial fishing industry? :) > Aha, I have had this one recommended to me before. I will add it to >my Must read list. > Love from Julia. Put it at the top Julia, put it at the top! Bruce ###### From: "carolisle" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:21:40 -0000 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: vip-209-14.vip.uk.com Message-ID: <3867d259_2@news1.vip.uk.com> X-Trace: 27 Dec 1999 20:55:53 GMT, vip-209-14.vip.uk.com X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!vip-209-14.vip.uk.com > I am not familiar with this one, Julia. Perhaps it was posted before I > joined this NG? Or, my ISP has decided that this one wasn't for me! I've > been having all sorts of trouble with it! I get answers to posts,...where > I've never even seen the original! I have posts which disappear into > never-never land which are only a couple days old! And, I'm getting > cross-posts from another group that I could care less about! Sheesh. So, > if I haven't answered some of you....rest assured that it's not > intentional....I've just lost you! Sorry,...but don't know what to do about > it! :( Hi BD Yager, Am having the same problems and have tried several ISPs . . . all UK Freebies. Am so peed off with this that I am going to pay again. I would love to have read the bit about Jim's curtains, didn't even know he'd posted lately ('Hello Jim' if you actually see this post) Probably won't see it myself. Hope you have recovered from the dental treatment, and it wasn't too traumatic, Love carol ###### From: "Floating" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <8IQ94.7598$vi5.198294@nnrp3.clara.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:17:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.152.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freeuk.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 946329476 212.126.152.92 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:17:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:17:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Hi All, > Yes, that would fit with the telepathy I experience when I visit > people, glimpsing images and emotions flashing through their minds as > I connect with them. I still don't understand how I got so very > accurate a vision of Jim Williams old curtains, though.... Yes, I also, like that theory, as I was trying to work out where I could have got the impression of Julia's Peter Pan video. Jim who? Never saw the post either! Regards Floating. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:43:00 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38688511.3596763@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <3867d259_2@news1.vip.uk.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: usercq52.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 946374302 2692 62.188.156.180 (28 Dec 1999 09:45:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 1999 09:45:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:21:40 -0000, "carolisle" wrote: >Am having the same problems and have tried several ISPs . . . all UK >Freebies. Am so peed off with this that I am going to pay again. I would >love to have read the bit about Jim's curtains, didn't even know he'd posted >lately ('Hello Jim' if you actually see this post) Probably won't see it >myself. Hi, Carol, don't panic about Jim's curtains. Try Dejanews - it happened about nine or ten months ago, as part of a group trip out. We had another (smaller!) invasion of sceptoics and so several people wanted to try a 'scientific' test and all visit Jim's room at a specified time-frame. I don't get many posts myself, so this seems to be a general problem, everyone complains, all over the world, of the same thing! We need Neil Franklin here, as he comprehends this ISP thingummy, plus has collected all the interesting newsgroup experiences in the past! Love from Julia. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:02:33 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38688a19.4883876@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <38677691.1794015@news.dial.pipex.com> <8KS94.2722$_n6.979243@homer.alpha.net> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userbr45.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 946375475 3412 62.188.146.238 (28 Dec 1999 10:04:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 1999 10:04:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:35:29 -0600, "B.D. Yager" wrote: >Very good! I've had similar incidents where everything is nearly perfect >(according to the material here-now) but some part of it is "out of time >sequence". Such as those curtains. IMO, the reason we have that >experience, and you'll notice that the one thing which "doesn't fit" is >always very, very, clear and defined... is that it is a lesson being driven >home for us, that "time" is irrelevent to the Astral! Every once in awhile >we need to be reminded of that! Tempus Fugit... >That final occupation of your's to come.... I'm going to guess, will have >nothing to do with the commercial fishing industry? :) Now if I said that was 100% certain, I would be guaranteed to end up in charge of an Icelandic fish packery, so excuse me if I don't commit myself just now! Love from Julia. ###### From: "carolisle" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <77p84.2310$_n6.816693@homer.alpha.net> <386243c6.3581824@news.dial.pipex.com> <3865e73f.3311373@news.dial.pipex.com> <3867d259_2@news1.vip.uk.com> Subject: Re: B.D. Yager - Operation Target Results Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:04:14 -0000 Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <386935e3_2@news2.vip.uk.com> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.194.174 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.250.101.2 X-Trace: 28 Dec 1999 22:12:53 GMT, 10.250.101.2 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!10.250.101.2 > > > >Hi BD Yager, > > > >Am having the same problems and have tried several ISPs . . . all UK > >Freebies. Am so peed off with this that I am going to pay again. I would > >love to have read the bit about Jim's curtains, didn't even know he'd > posted > >lately ('Hello Jim' if you actually see this post) Probably won't see it > >myself. > > > >Hope you have recovered from the dental treatment, and it wasn't too > >traumatic, > > > >Love carol > > > > > > Hi Carol! Thanks for the best-wishes, and yeah.... I'm getting better > everyday! I think I'll actually live! Well, since I'm in the good 'ole USA > and having the same NG problems as you,... then I guess it's a universal > glitch! With the millions of messages out there, it's probably just > something we'll have to learn to live with, huh? > > Someone brought up the idea about doing another rendezvous at 2 a.m. on New > Year's Eve.... (I think it was Julia?) Well kids,... I don't think that > will work out toooo good. I have found that alcohol definately puts the > dampers on my OOBE's!!! 'Course, maybe the whole night was an OOBE....who > can tell??? :) > > B.D. Yager > (Hey Carol,... my friends go right ahead and call me "Bruce". Feel free!) > Hi Bruce, You're right about the alcohol and OBE as far as I'm concerned, though the problem this Christmas has been coughing with 'flu; I might just as well forget it for the time being! But I'm really determined to improve my consciousness control in the new century (or centuries at my speed) to make these rendezvous - I think they are a fantastic idea. Glad you're on the mend . . . have a drink for me New Year, at this rate I'll probably still be moaning in bed. Love carol