From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:04:32 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 85 Message-ID: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.dc.ad.0e X-Server-Date: 15 Dec 1999 04:55:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Hi folks!!!!!! It's been a while - eh? I didn't have much good stuff to post here after the last telephone conversation with my ex - so I thought it best to just stay away. The passion for life left me for quite some time. But now I'm back for a few short posts before I disappear again for a time. Early November I went on a job interview in a state I've been wanting to return to for 4.5 years. The interview went exceptionally well. A week later I was driving home from work and saw a spectacular fireball cross the sky right in front of me. It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my physical life. I knew, then, that I had gotten the job - even though a great deal of complications delayed the confirmation for another three weeks. I'm going home :-) No more snow. No more ice. No more shivering. No more Arctic winds singing sad and lonely songs on my balcony. No more going "splat" when I jump off the 16th floor while going OBE :-) The only thing I'm going to miss from this place is the view of Lake Erie's shoreline from so high up - but I think I'll get over it ;-) I can say that it has been "Hell" being up here. But I can't say that I haven't received spiritual benefits from this self imposed isolation. I've learned quite a bit - and I hope that some of you who have followed my journey have also learned something from me. I've not read this group for a couple of months. In fact, I unsubscribed from it very suddenly. If you are wondering - yes, I still practice OBE, but the emotional strains have brought some serious changes that don't result in many successes. I think it is a stage of "change" and have strong hopes of getting back into it even better than before. My practices have been directed toward reaching the "skimming" stage, reliably, 100% of the time. No sweat :-) I can do it EVERY single time within 15 minutes. Getting past the skim and the rapid heartbeat stage has obviously been associated with my emotional state - my next stage of learning. This is requiring a great deal of personal introspection and discipline - not self denial, but understanding and acceptance of the "right" way to think and live as a creative function of reality. I'm not as devoted as Padre Pio (my obvious mentor), but I am noting similarities to his experiences. The rapid, pounding heart, stage has become a great annoyance to me - when it once was not - it happens every time now. This was one of the complaints that Pio had. I didn't notice it in his writings before - because he wrote of it in a non-physical, religious, way. But it suddenly dawned on me that his description of the problem is virtually the same as my experience. It wasn't long after that when he stopped talking about those meditative problems and started to note a more reliable and clear OBE experience. Then he stopped talking and it was others who started talking about seeing him in distant places - i.e. bilocation.... I'm learning the truth of the words, "One cannot serve two masters." I've always known that the "Master" is within. You can only follow ONE of the many masters that dwell within you if you intend to have any solid direction in life - reality. No cheating - only one. And you must be true to that master within. You can't play with OBE and expect serious results while ignoring the singular reality of consciousness. Be sure to pick the right internal master... else you simply play with dreams. Once again, it comes back to the basics of which I occasionally lose sight. Spread LOVE. If you do this, the "ALL" will become available to you at any point and at any time. If you don't do this you will be operating as an individual - separate from the "ALL" - subject to a master that is limited to your own experience. In other words, your OBEs will rarely be little more than lucid dreams - even when accompanied by the intense sensations of separation - you will be surrounded by symbolic imagery if you do not hold dear to the truth of LOVE and the desire to spread it. That's just the way it works... I know what I am talking about. There is no more speculation. Unconditional LOVE exists as the singularity of omnipotence and omnipresence. In "LOVE" there is no space or time. This is not religion - this is a function of consciousness - and, therefore, the function of reality. There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. Bart ###### From: "Trish" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Lines: 100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: X-Trace: /wqpGWTMp6Fc2jgMshsSLigNu5borufSTH/Pm3mAaUtS+J6h9L/vC5dsCSE3cSLjGW7rSC0lStXN!XmFieadx0wGG/OE7xH55hBmprh7yRhpgdEowU34SV0JB9Jcs0s2Bpi5UQeYfuKNpk2TREVBy X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:06:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:06:56 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!195.224.165.20.MISMATCH!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!easynet-tele!easynet.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Bart wrote in message <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>... >Hi folks!!!!!! > >It's been a while - eh? > >I didn't have much good stuff to post here after the last telephone >conversation with my ex - so I thought it best to just stay away. The >passion for life left me for quite some time. > >But now I'm back for a few short posts before I disappear again for a time. > >Early November I went on a job interview in a state I've been wanting to >return to for 4.5 years. The interview went exceptionally well. A week >later I was driving home from work and saw a spectacular fireball cross the >sky right in front of me. It was one of the most incredible things I've >ever seen in my physical life. I knew, then, that I had gotten the job - >even though a great deal of complications delayed the confirmation for >another three weeks. > >I'm going home :-) No more snow. No more ice. No more shivering. No more >Arctic winds singing sad and lonely songs on my balcony. No more going >"splat" when I jump off the 16th floor while going OBE :-) The only thing >I'm going to miss from this place is the view of Lake Erie's shoreline from >so high up - but I think I'll get over it ;-) Good for you Bart. I'm really happy for you. Wish you the best. > >I can say that it has been "Hell" being up here. But I can't say that I >haven't received spiritual benefits from this self imposed isolation. I've >learned quite a bit - and I hope that some of you who have followed my >journey have also learned something from me. Very much so. Thank you. > >I've not read this group for a couple of months. In fact, I unsubscribed >from it very suddenly. If you are wondering - yes, I still practice OBE, >but the emotional strains have brought some serious changes that don't >result in many successes. I think it is a stage of "change" and have strong >hopes of getting back into it even better than before. My practices have >been directed toward reaching the "skimming" stage, reliably, 100% of the >time. No sweat :-) I can do it EVERY single time within 15 minutes. >Getting past the skim and the rapid heartbeat stage has obviously been >associated with my emotional state - my next stage of learning. This is >requiring a great deal of personal introspection and discipline - not self >denial, but understanding and acceptance of the "right" way to think and >live as a creative function of reality. > >I'm not as devoted as Padre Pio (my obvious mentor), but I am noting >similarities to his experiences. The rapid, pounding heart, stage has >become a great annoyance to me - when it once was not - it happens every >time now. This was one of the complaints that Pio had. I didn't notice it >in his writings before - because he wrote of it in a non-physical, >religious, way. But it suddenly dawned on me that his description of the >problem is virtually the same as my experience. It wasn't long after that >when he stopped talking about those meditative problems and started to note >a more reliable and clear OBE experience. Then he stopped talking and it >was others who started talking about seeing him in distant places - i.e. >bilocation.... > >I'm learning the truth of the words, "One cannot serve two masters." I've >always known that the "Master" is within. You can only follow ONE of the >many masters that dwell within you if you intend to have any solid direction >in life - reality. No cheating - only one. And you must be true to that >master within. You can't play with OBE and expect serious results while >ignoring the singular reality of consciousness. Be sure to pick the right >internal master... else you simply play with dreams. > >Once again, it comes back to the basics of which I occasionally lose sight. >Spread LOVE. If you do this, the "ALL" will become available to you at any >point and at any time. If you don't do this you will be operating as an >individual - separate from the "ALL" - subject to a master that is limited >to your own experience. In other words, your OBEs will rarely be little >more than lucid dreams - even when accompanied by the intense sensations of >separation - you will be surrounded by symbolic imagery if you do not hold >dear to the truth of LOVE and the desire to spread it. That's just the way >it works... > >I know what I am talking about. There is no more speculation. >Unconditional LOVE exists as the singularity of omnipotence and >omnipresence. In "LOVE" there is no space or time. This is not religion - >this is a function of consciousness - and, therefore, the function of >reality. > >There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. > >Bart Your posts never fail to leave me inspired Bart. Hope to converse again in the future. Trish ###### Message-ID: <38584DF3.54CAFB70@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Reply-To: sculpt@privatei.com Organization: fractal in nature X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 91 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:26:59 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.131.176.150 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 945311417 204.131.176.150 (Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:30:17 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:30:17 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Welcome back Bart. We've been doing our best to hold down the fort, but now it's break time!!!!! Yippeeeee. Ken Bart wrote: > Hi folks!!!!!! > > It's been a while - eh? > > I didn't have much good stuff to post here after the last telephone > conversation with my ex - so I thought it best to just stay away. The > passion for life left me for quite some time. > > But now I'm back for a few short posts before I disappear again for a time. > > Early November I went on a job interview in a state I've been wanting to > return to for 4.5 years. The interview went exceptionally well. A week > later I was driving home from work and saw a spectacular fireball cross the > sky right in front of me. It was one of the most incredible things I've > ever seen in my physical life. I knew, then, that I had gotten the job - > even though a great deal of complications delayed the confirmation for > another three weeks. > > I'm going home :-) No more snow. No more ice. No more shivering. No more > Arctic winds singing sad and lonely songs on my balcony. No more going > "splat" when I jump off the 16th floor while going OBE :-) The only thing > I'm going to miss from this place is the view of Lake Erie's shoreline from > so high up - but I think I'll get over it ;-) > > I can say that it has been "Hell" being up here. But I can't say that I > haven't received spiritual benefits from this self imposed isolation. I've > learned quite a bit - and I hope that some of you who have followed my > journey have also learned something from me. > > I've not read this group for a couple of months. In fact, I unsubscribed > from it very suddenly. If you are wondering - yes, I still practice OBE, > but the emotional strains have brought some serious changes that don't > result in many successes. I think it is a stage of "change" and have strong > hopes of getting back into it even better than before. My practices have > been directed toward reaching the "skimming" stage, reliably, 100% of the > time. No sweat :-) I can do it EVERY single time within 15 minutes. > Getting past the skim and the rapid heartbeat stage has obviously been > associated with my emotional state - my next stage of learning. This is > requiring a great deal of personal introspection and discipline - not self > denial, but understanding and acceptance of the "right" way to think and > live as a creative function of reality. > > I'm not as devoted as Padre Pio (my obvious mentor), but I am noting > similarities to his experiences. The rapid, pounding heart, stage has > become a great annoyance to me - when it once was not - it happens every > time now. This was one of the complaints that Pio had. I didn't notice it > in his writings before - because he wrote of it in a non-physical, > religious, way. But it suddenly dawned on me that his description of the > problem is virtually the same as my experience. It wasn't long after that > when he stopped talking about those meditative problems and started to note > a more reliable and clear OBE experience. Then he stopped talking and it > was others who started talking about seeing him in distant places - i.e. > bilocation.... > > I'm learning the truth of the words, "One cannot serve two masters." I've > always known that the "Master" is within. You can only follow ONE of the > many masters that dwell within you if you intend to have any solid direction > in life - reality. No cheating - only one. And you must be true to that > master within. You can't play with OBE and expect serious results while > ignoring the singular reality of consciousness. Be sure to pick the right > internal master... else you simply play with dreams. > > Once again, it comes back to the basics of which I occasionally lose sight. > Spread LOVE. If you do this, the "ALL" will become available to you at any > point and at any time. If you don't do this you will be operating as an > individual - separate from the "ALL" - subject to a master that is limited > to your own experience. In other words, your OBEs will rarely be little > more than lucid dreams - even when accompanied by the intense sensations of > separation - you will be surrounded by symbolic imagery if you do not hold > dear to the truth of LOVE and the desire to spread it. That's just the way > it works... > > I know what I am talking about. There is no more speculation. > Unconditional LOVE exists as the singularity of omnipotence and > omnipresence. In "LOVE" there is no space or time. This is not religion - > this is a function of consciousness - and, therefore, the function of > reality. > > There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. > > Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:38:15 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <839bs1$6u3$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.dc.ad.19 X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1999 00:30:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Gunnar Ljungstrand wrote in message <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se>... >As you may have seen, currently we have a bunch of skeptics here, so >things are somewhat messy in the NG right now. No matter, it will pass. Unfortunate. Hopefully I'll not permit my ego to get the better of me. After all, it isn't my responsibility to provide proof for someone who doesn't believe in their self. As a point of view, I know I exist. From their angle - they can't see it. That's not my fault - nor is it my problem. Bart ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:01:41 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <839d7v$ejk$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> <3857fc45.2084568@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.dc.ad.19 X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1999 00:54:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Julia Hawkes-Moore wrote in message <3857fc45.2084568@news.dial.pipex.com>... >On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:04:32 -0500, "Bart" >wrote: >>Hi folks!!!!!! >>>It's been a while - eh? > > Hello, Bart, you sound happy again! Happy - yes - quite. Unfortunately I just can't seem to shake my smartass attitude :-) Bart ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:01:50 +0100 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se> References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du218-93.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 945284389 1379 195.100.93.218 (15 Dec 1999 18:59:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 1999 18:59:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail Hi Bart. Long time no see! :-) Bart wrote: [snip] As you may have seen, currently we have a bunch of skeptics here, so things are somewhat messy in the NG right now. No matter, it will pass. Anyway, Best Wishes and, See you out there Bart... /Gunnar ---------------------------------------- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity ---------------------------------------- ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:40:27 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3857fc45.2084568@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userap14.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 945287940 25658 62.188.135.229 (15 Dec 1999 19:59:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 1999 19:59:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:04:32 -0500, "Bart" wrote: >Hi folks!!!!!! >>It's been a while - eh? Hello, Bart, you sound happy again! >There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. Indeed. Welcome back. Love from Julia. ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:58:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se> <839bs1$6u3$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Bart wrote in message <839bs1$6u3$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>... >Unfortunate. Hopefully I'll not permit my ego to get the better of me. >After all, it isn't my responsibility to provide proof for someone who >doesn't believe in their self. As a point of view, I know I exist. From >their angle - they can't see it. That's not my fault - nor is it my >problem. > Ah! Succint and never better said. Good to have you back again. Claire > > > ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:45:45 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 14 Message-ID: <839jg4$f7h$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se> <839bs1$6u3$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.dc.ae.a5 X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1999 02:41:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail claire wrote in message ... >Good to have you back again. > >Claire Why thank you, Claire. It's nice to be back. I hope you are doing okay. Bart ###### From: "carolisle" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:00:54 -0000 Lines: 117 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213-127.vip.uk.com Message-ID: <38583a80_1@news1.vip.uk.com> X-Trace: 16 Dec 1999 01:04:00 GMT, modem-213-127.vip.uk.com X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@vip.uk.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!news1.vip.uk.com!modem-213-127.vip.uk.com Hi Bart, So pleased you're back . . . really missed you. Hope things go well for you with your new home and job. I really enjoyed your post about Love. Thank you. Love carol Bart wrote in message news:83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net... > Hi folks!!!!!! > > It's been a while - eh? > > I didn't have much good stuff to post here after the last telephone > conversation with my ex - so I thought it best to just stay away. The > passion for life left me for quite some time. > > But now I'm back for a few short posts before I disappear again for a time. > > Early November I went on a job interview in a state I've been wanting to > return to for 4.5 years. The interview went exceptionally well. A week > later I was driving home from work and saw a spectacular fireball cross the > sky right in front of me. It was one of the most incredible things I've > ever seen in my physical life. I knew, then, that I had gotten the job - > even though a great deal of complications delayed the confirmation for > another three weeks. > > I'm going home :-) No more snow. No more ice. No more shivering. No more > Arctic winds singing sad and lonely songs on my balcony. No more going > "splat" when I jump off the 16th floor while going OBE :-) The only thing > I'm going to miss from this place is the view of Lake Erie's shoreline from > so high up - but I think I'll get over it ;-) > > I can say that it has been "Hell" being up here. But I can't say that I > haven't received spiritual benefits from this self imposed isolation. I've > learned quite a bit - and I hope that some of you who have followed my > journey have also learned something from me. > > I've not read this group for a couple of months. In fact, I unsubscribed > from it very suddenly. If you are wondering - yes, I still practice OBE, > but the emotional strains have brought some serious changes that don't > result in many successes. I think it is a stage of "change" and have strong > hopes of getting back into it even better than before. My practices have > been directed toward reaching the "skimming" stage, reliably, 100% of the > time. No sweat :-) I can do it EVERY single time within 15 minutes. > Getting past the skim and the rapid heartbeat stage has obviously been > associated with my emotional state - my next stage of learning. This is > requiring a great deal of personal introspection and discipline - not self > denial, but understanding and acceptance of the "right" way to think and > live as a creative function of reality. > > I'm not as devoted as Padre Pio (my obvious mentor), but I am noting > similarities to his experiences. The rapid, pounding heart, stage has > become a great annoyance to me - when it once was not - it happens every > time now. This was one of the complaints that Pio had. I didn't notice it > in his writings before - because he wrote of it in a non-physical, > religious, way. But it suddenly dawned on me that his description of the > problem is virtually the same as my experience. It wasn't long after that > when he stopped talking about those meditative problems and started to note > a more reliable and clear OBE experience. Then he stopped talking and it > was others who started talking about seeing him in distant places - i.e. > bilocation.... > > I'm learning the truth of the words, "One cannot serve two masters." I've > always known that the "Master" is within. You can only follow ONE of the > many masters that dwell within you if you intend to have any solid direction > in life - reality. No cheating - only one. And you must be true to that > master within. You can't play with OBE and expect serious results while > ignoring the singular reality of consciousness. Be sure to pick the right > internal master... else you simply play with dreams. > > Once again, it comes back to the basics of which I occasionally lose sight. > Spread LOVE. If you do this, the "ALL" will become available to you at any > point and at any time. If you don't do this you will be operating as an > individual - separate from the "ALL" - subject to a master that is limited > to your own experience. In other words, your OBEs will rarely be little > more than lucid dreams - even when accompanied by the intense sensations of > separation - you will be surrounded by symbolic imagery if you do not hold > dear to the truth of LOVE and the desire to spread it. That's just the way > it works... > > I know what I am talking about. There is no more speculation. > Unconditional LOVE exists as the singularity of omnipotence and > omnipresence. In "LOVE" there is no space or time. This is not religion - > this is a function of consciousness - and, therefore, the function of > reality. > > There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. > > Bart > > > > ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:57:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> <3857E59E.8C87FCD5@algonet.se> <839bs1$6u3$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> <839jg4$f7h$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Doing fine. Check out my new web page www.prismsofreality.com . Finally finished it. Claire Bart wrote in message <839jg4$f7h$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>... > >claire wrote in message ... > >>Good to have you back again. >> >>Claire > > >Why thank you, Claire. It's nice to be back. I hope you are doing okay. > >Bart > > > ###### Message-ID: <38595DE9.F6826DC0@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:47:21 +1100 From: Craig Shillington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: CH-CH-CH-CH-CHANGES!!! References: <83770a$cdk$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.12 X-Trace: 17 Dec 1999 11:40:56 +1000, 203.87.38.12 Lines: 124 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!nyc.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.12 Welcome back Bart. > It's been a while - eh? It seems like such a long time since I spoke to you last. Good excuse for a party or what!!!! ;-) > I didn't have much good stuff to post here after the last telephone > conversation with my ex - so I thought it best to just stay away. The > passion for life left me for quite some time. > > But now I'm back for a few short posts before I disappear again for a time. Hopefully not for too long. It really makes a difference you know. :-) > Early November I went on a job interview in a state I've been wanting to > return to for 4.5 years. The interview went exceptionally well. A week > later I was driving home from work and saw a spectacular fireball cross the > sky right in front of me. It was one of the most incredible things I've > ever seen in my physical life. I knew, then, that I had gotten the job - > even though a great deal of complications delayed the confirmation for > another three weeks. Congratulations. I will be doing the same thing in about a month. 10 yrs working nights is more than enough for me. > I'm going home :-) No more snow. No more ice. No more shivering. No more > Arctic winds singing sad and lonely songs on my balcony. No more going > "splat" when I jump off the 16th floor while going OBE :-) The only thing > I'm going to miss from this place is the view of Lake Erie's shoreline from > so high up - but I think I'll get over it ;-) Well, that balcony window really wasn't the best place to test if you were OOB or not anyway, was it. ;-) Now you just need to figure out how to stop splating into the sides of buildings. ;-) > I can say that it has been "Hell" being up here. But I can't say that I > haven't received spiritual benefits from this self imposed isolation. I've > learned quite a bit - and I hope that some of you who have followed my > journey have also learned something from me. > I've not read this group for a couple of months. In fact, I unsubscribed > from it very suddenly. If you are wondering - yes, I still practice OBE, > but the emotional strains have brought some serious changes that don't > result in many successes. I think it is a stage of "change" and have strong > hopes of getting back into it even better than before. My practices have > been directed toward reaching the "skimming" stage, reliably, 100% of the > time. No sweat :-) I can do it EVERY single time within 15 minutes. > Getting past the skim and the rapid heartbeat stage has obviously been > associated with my emotional state - my next stage of learning. This is > requiring a great deal of personal introspection and discipline - not self > denial, but understanding and acceptance of the "right" way to think and > live as a creative function of reality. You make it sound so easy Bart. I'm glad that you have had the time, taken the time, to dig so deep and do what needed to be done for yourself. I guess that 'abnormal' situations can help us in relating to our own spiritual growth. I had also done a little deeper searching a while back. It can be very straining and can open closets that you didn't know existed. It's nice to come through and know that you either have a little more understanding of who you are as opposed to who you thought you were, or how you can do things a little differently to make life a little easier to understand. Sometimes bad things happen to us for very specific reasons, IMO. Understanding more about that, makes us better people. > I'm not as devoted as Padre Pio (my obvious mentor), but I am noting > similarities to his experiences. The rapid, pounding heart, stage has > become a great annoyance to me - when it once was not - it happens every > time now. This was one of the complaints that Pio had. I didn't notice it > in his writings before - because he wrote of it in a non-physical, > religious, way. But it suddenly dawned on me that his description of the > problem is virtually the same as my experience. It wasn't long after that > when he stopped talking about those meditative problems and started to note > a more reliable and clear OBE experience. Then he stopped talking and it > was others who started talking about seeing him in distant places - i.e. > bilocation.... > > I'm learning the truth of the words, "One cannot serve two masters." I've > always known that the "Master" is within. You can only follow ONE of the > many masters that dwell within you if you intend to have any solid direction > in life - reality. No cheating - only one. And you must be true to that > master within. You can't play with OBE and expect serious results while > ignoring the singular reality of consciousness. Be sure to pick the right > internal master... else you simply play with dreams. Something, I am guessing, that comes with experience. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. :-) > Once again, it comes back to the basics of which I occasionally lose sight. > Spread LOVE. If you do this, the "ALL" will become available to you at any > point and at any time. If you don't do this you will be operating as an > individual - separate from the "ALL" - subject to a master that is limited > to your own experience. In other words, your OBEs will rarely be little > more than lucid dreams - even when accompanied by the intense sensations of > separation - you will be surrounded by symbolic imagery if you do not hold > dear to the truth of LOVE and the desire to spread it. That's just the way > it works... > > I know what I am talking about. There is no more speculation. > Unconditional LOVE exists as the singularity of omnipotence and > omnipresence. In "LOVE" there is no space or time. This is not religion - > this is a function of consciousness - and, therefore, the function of > reality. > > There is no greater science than the study and practice of LOVE. Whew! It's great to have you back. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au --