Reply-To: "Jamie Bond" From: "Jamie Bond" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Charter/Moderator Lines: 4 Organization: Double Oh Seven X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 03:07:41 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.103.17.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-01.sprint.ca 943867149 209.103.17.225 (Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:19:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:19:09 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Does this newsgroup have a charter? If so, where can I get a copy to read. Is there a moderator for this newsgroup? If so, who is s/he? ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Charter/Moderator Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:39:29 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 23 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6u4se3n4zy.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Jamie Bond" writes: > > Does this newsgroup have a charter? No written one. Generally the regulars define the style here: - reports of experiences - questions of techniques - general philosophical speculation > If so, where can I get a copy to read. Above few lines are all there is. > Is there a moderator for this newsgroup? If so, who is s/he? No. This is an unmoderated group. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: John M Price PhD Subject: Re: Charter/Moderator Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Organization: his very own desk! X-Connection: C-Ker-mit 5A(191) 32 bit for OS/2 (usually) X-Operating-System: OS/2 - Warped of course. X-Clamation: Wow. X-Hale: only. X-PGP-Key: ftp://ftp.calweb.com/users/j/jmprice/pgp-key-john-m-price User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-STABLE (i386)) NNTP-Posting-Host: web1.calweb.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: web1.calweb.com Message-ID: <38443fb9_2@news.calweb.com> Date: 30 Nov 1999 13:20:57 -0800 X-Trace: 30 Nov 1999 13:20:57 -0800, web1.calweb.com Lines: 323 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.calweb.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!calwebnntp!calwebnnrp!web1.calweb.com!jmprice In alt.out-of-body article Jamie Bond wrote: : Does this newsgroup have a charter? If so, where can I get a copy to read. : Is there a moderator for this newsgroup? If so, who is s/he? No moderator. Here is the control message set from UUNET: ====== begin control message file ====== From gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Tue Sep 15 07:42:33 1992 Control: newgroup alt.out-of-body Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Path: rpi!usc!wupost!gumby!destroyer!uunet!think.com!spdcc!gnosys!gst From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) Subject: newgroup alt.out-of-body Message-ID: <1992Sep15.072759.29984@gnosys.svle.ma.us> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:27:59 GMT Approved: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Lines: 133 PLEASE ALIAS THE alt.oobe NEWSGROUP ON YOUR SYSTEM TO alt.out-of-body. The alt.oobe newsgroup will cease to exist once alt.out-of-body has been firmly established. Thanks! Background: This newgroup message for alt.out-of-body is being sent based on a very lengthy and carefully carried out procedure which determined that a fairly sizable number of people would like to have such a newsgroup. After some discussion in alt.dreams which indicated there was a desire for new newsgroup to discuss out of body experiences, I summarily created a newsgroup called "alt.oobe" on 22 July. Later that same day, I received a couple of messages informing me that I should have discussed the subject in alt.config first. I immediately sent out an article, cross-posted to the new alt.oobe and alt.config which called for a period of discussion, to be followed by a formal vote, where the question of a name for a new newsgroup would be decided by a simple majority. A "Call for Votes" was subsequently issued, and a voting period announced. That voting period lasted from 21 August, when the CFV article was posted until 5 September, two weeks later. One week was allowed for any challenges to be issued or suggestions to be offered. The main result of this week's wait was the suggestion that I request administrators to alias alt.oobe to alt.out-of-body, to catch any postings to the old newsgroup after it is destroyed by the rmgroup message I plan to issue in a few weeks time. (During the nearly two months of alt.oobe's existence, it has become a popular forum for regular discussion of the out of body topic, with postings coming from all over the world.) Following is a listing of the votes which were cast. The column headings represent the newsgroup names (1=alt.oobe, 2=alt.out-of-body, 3=alt.consciousness.out-of-body, 4=alt.paranormal.out-of-body). Numbers alongside names indicate which choice that newsgroup represents for each voter (e.g., Benn voted for alt.consciousness.out-of-body as his first choice, and alt.oobe as his second choice): 1 2 3 4 no access.digex.com!bkobb Benn Kobb 2 1 ae.ge.com!news_for Paul Joslin 1 atlantis.cs.orst.edu!kruegek 1 cc.curtin.edu.au!svenning 1 code3.code3.com!aaronl Aaron Langevin 1 cs.joensuu.fi!jlavi Jarkko Lavinen 1 cs.yale.edu!warren-matthew Matthew S. Warren 1 dadd.ti.com!alanj Alan Jones 1 2 dsd.mentorg.com!garyk Gary Kaminski 1 eagle.wesleyan.edu!jtulli Jude 2 1 3 eng.sun.com!James.Mangin James Mangin 1 eng.sun.com!Szu.Sun Szu-Cheng Sun 1 engin.umich.edu!carney Kelly Lynn Carney 2 1 ere.umontreal.ca!mcnichol Andre McNichols 2 1 gnosys.svle.ma.us!gst Gary Trujillo 2 1 3 gte.com!ai!tomf Tom Fawcett 1 gte.com!seb3 1 gvl.unisys.com!markw Mark H. Weber 1 hasler.ascom.ch!hedlund Hedlund M. 1 hplb.hpl.hp.com!rik Richard Beckett 1 1 iastate.edu!adwright 1/2 1/2 iis.ethz.ch!kiwi Rene Mueller 1 informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de!dittmann Rainer Dittmann 1 kolob.byu.edu!eggettj James L. Eggett 3 2 1 kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!sloane Bob Sloane 1 lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au!int766m S Malnovic 1 3 2 lux.latrobe.edu.au!9125113g Mitch Davis 1 massey.ac.nz!S.P.Pandey Surya P. Pandey 1 morwyn.uucp!root Forrie Aldrich 1 mprgate.mpr.ca!spani Leonard Spani 1 netcom.com!tomrice Tom R. Rice 1 2 nsma.arizona.edu!bill Bill Skaggs 1 ntb.ch!milsom Paul Milsom 1 opus.sim.es.com!bseagull Brad Seagull 1 pail.rain.com!ralex Randy Alexander 1 pap.univie.ac.at!schreib Erich Schreiber 1 phys.physics.ucf.edu!jep Jason Epel 1 plxsun.plx.com!thomas Thomas Leibold 2 1 prodigal.psych.rochester.edu!ken Ken Shenkman 2 1 psuvm.psu.edu!srk8 Kumar 1 raven.alaska.edu!mike Mike Kienenberger 2 1 rpi.edu!aultj Jim Ault 1 sdf.lonestar.org!bryce Bryce Hamm 1 sim.es.com!khatch 1 tamzeus.bitnet!wdb3926 Dan 2 1 3 tcad05.intel.com!bongalon Ben Bongalon 1 triton.mathcs.carleton.edu!brosked David Broske 1 tsoft.sf-bay.org!bbs.techie Robert Mc Daniel 1 u.washington.edu!mtakacs Tak 2 1 u.washington.edu!pul Arbaline 1 ucl.ac.uk!ucsatsd Big Bad Bob 2 1 usit.uio.no!o.e.aurbakken 1 uu.psi.com!wisper!sherman Peter Sherman 1/2 1/2 uunet.uu.net!pseudo!mjn Murray Nesbitt 1 uunet.uu.net!uhura1!bryan Bryan Curnutt 1 virginia.prpa.philips.com!yen Yen C. Lee 1 wam.umd.edu!angelai Angela I. 1 wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu!lazarus Bart -Laz- Smith 1 xstacy.enet.dec.com!jlundon James A. Lundon 1 yfn.ysu.edu!ae553 David Jameson 1 (Anonymous Voter) 1 (Anonymous Voter) 1 [ Note: The votes designated as "1/2" represent those who voted for two newsgroups, but did not indicate which was their first preference. ] The totals I get are: choice first second third 1. alt.oobe 14-16 9-11 1 2. alt.out-of-body 23-25 3-5 1 3. alt.consciousness.out-of-body 5 3 2 4. alt.paranormal.out-of-body 11 0 3 5. (no new newsgroup) 6 As I indicated previously, the plan was to accept the votes of those who did not vote for either of the first ranked two choices, which are alt.oobe and alt.out-of-body, and add them in. Doing so only gives alt.out-of-body one more vote (that of Jim Eggett, who did not vote for either of the two top- ranked names as a first choice). That means that there are actually between 24 and 26 votes for alt.out-of-body. The uncertainty caused by the two votes in the "1/2" category doesn't make a difference, since even conceding both votes as first-choice votes for alt.oobe gives a score of 15 for alt.oobe to 24 for alt.out-of-body. -- Gary S. Trujillo gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Somerville, Massachusetts {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst From gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Tue Oct 13 05:01:02 1992 Control: newgroup alt.out-of-body Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,control Path: rpi!think.com!spdcc!gnosys!gst From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) Subject: newgroup alt.out-of-body Message-ID: <1992Oct13.063506.15912@gnosys.svle.ma.us> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:35:06 GMT Approved: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Lines: 144 This is another newgroup message for alt.out-of-body, since a recent maliciously-generated control message attempted to destroy alt.out-of-body by requesting that it be aliased to alt.oobe. The correct request is: PLEASE ALIAS THE alt.oobe NEWSGROUP ON YOUR SYSTEM TO alt.out-of-body. Please delete alt.oobe if it still exists on your system and ignore any and all requests to alias alt.out-of-body to any other name. Thanks. Background: This newgroup message for alt.out-of-body is being sent based on a very lengthy and carefully carried out procedure which determined that a fairly sizable number of people would like to have such a newsgroup. After some discussion in alt.dreams which indicated there was a desire for new newsgroup to discuss out of body experiences, I summarily created a newsgroup called "alt.oobe" on 22 July. Later that same day, I received a couple of messages informing me that I should have discussed the subject in alt.config first. I immediately sent out an article, cross-posted to the new alt.oobe and alt.config which called for a period of discussion, to be followed by a formal vote, where the question of a name for a new newsgroup would be decided by a simple majority. A "Call for Votes" was subsequently issued, and a voting period announced. That voting period lasted from 21 August, when the CFV article was posted until 5 September, two weeks later. One week was allowed for any challenges to be issued or suggestions to be offered. The main result of this week's wait was the suggestion that I request administrators to alias alt.oobe to alt.out-of-body, to catch any postings to the old newsgroup after it is destroyed by the rmgroup message I plan to issue in a few weeks time. (During the nearly two months of alt.oobe's existence, it has become a popular forum for regular discussion of the out of body topic, with postings coming from all over the world.) Following is a listing of the votes which were cast. The column headings represent the newsgroup names (1=alt.oobe, 2=alt.out-of-body, 3=alt.consciousness.out-of-body, 4=alt.paranormal.out-of-body). Numbers alongside names indicate which choice that newsgroup represents for each voter (e.g., Benn voted for alt.consciousness.out-of-body as his first choice, and alt.oobe as his second choice): 1 2 3 4 no access.digex.com!bkobb Benn Kobb 2 1 ae.ge.com!news_for Paul Joslin 1 atlantis.cs.orst.edu!kruegek 1 cc.curtin.edu.au!svenning 1 code3.code3.com!aaronl Aaron Langevin 1 cs.joensuu.fi!jlavi Jarkko Lavinen 1 cs.yale.edu!warren-matthew Matthew S. Warren 1 dadd.ti.com!alanj Alan Jones 1 2 dsd.mentorg.com!garyk Gary Kaminski 1 eagle.wesleyan.edu!jtulli Jude 2 1 3 eng.sun.com!James.Mangin James Mangin 1 eng.sun.com!Szu.Sun Szu-Cheng Sun 1 engin.umich.edu!carney Kelly Lynn Carney 2 1 ere.umontreal.ca!mcnichol Andre McNichols 2 1 gnosys.svle.ma.us!gst Gary Trujillo 2 1 3 gte.com!ai!tomf Tom Fawcett 1 gte.com!seb3 1 gvl.unisys.com!markw Mark H. Weber 1 hasler.ascom.ch!hedlund Hedlund M. 1 hplb.hpl.hp.com!rik Richard Beckett 1 1 iastate.edu!adwright 1/2 1/2 iis.ethz.ch!kiwi Rene Mueller 1 informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de!dittmann Rainer Dittmann 1 kolob.byu.edu!eggettj James L. Eggett 3 2 1 kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!sloane Bob Sloane 1 lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au!int766m S Malnovic 1 3 2 lux.latrobe.edu.au!9125113g Mitch Davis 1 massey.ac.nz!S.P.Pandey Surya P. Pandey 1 morwyn.uucp!root Forrie Aldrich 1 mprgate.mpr.ca!spani Leonard Spani 1 netcom.com!tomrice Tom R. Rice 1 2 nsma.arizona.edu!bill Bill Skaggs 1 ntb.ch!milsom Paul Milsom 1 opus.sim.es.com!bseagull Brad Seagull 1 pail.rain.com!ralex Randy Alexander 1 pap.univie.ac.at!schreib Erich Schreiber 1 phys.physics.ucf.edu!jep Jason Epel 1 plxsun.plx.com!thomas Thomas Leibold 2 1 prodigal.psych.rochester.edu!ken Ken Shenkman 2 1 psuvm.psu.edu!srk8 Kumar 1 raven.alaska.edu!mike Mike Kienenberger 2 1 rpi.edu!aultj Jim Ault 1 sdf.lonestar.org!bryce Bryce Hamm 1 sim.es.com!khatch 1 tamzeus.bitnet!wdb3926 Dan 2 1 3 tcad05.intel.com!bongalon Ben Bongalon 1 triton.mathcs.carleton.edu!brosked David Broske 1 tsoft.sf-bay.org!bbs.techie Robert Mc Daniel 1 u.washington.edu!mtakacs Tak 2 1 u.washington.edu!pul Arbaline 1 ucl.ac.uk!ucsatsd Big Bad Bob 2 1 usit.uio.no!o.e.aurbakken 1 uu.psi.com!wisper!sherman Peter Sherman 1/2 1/2 uunet.uu.net!pseudo!mjn Murray Nesbitt 1 uunet.uu.net!uhura1!bryan Bryan Curnutt 1 virginia.prpa.philips.com!yen Yen C. Lee 1 wam.umd.edu!angelai Angela I. 1 wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu!lazarus Bart -Laz- Smith 1 xstacy.enet.dec.com!jlundon James A. Lundon 1 yfn.ysu.edu!ae553 David Jameson 1 (Anonymous Voter) 1 (Anonymous Voter) 1 [ Note: The votes designated as "1/2" represent those who voted for two newsgroups, but did not indicate which was their first preference. ] The totals I get are: choice first second third 1. alt.oobe 14-16 9-11 1 2. alt.out-of-body 23-25 3-5 1 3. alt.consciousness.out-of-body 5 3 2 4. alt.paranormal.out-of-body 11 0 3 5. (no new newsgroup) 6 As I indicated previously, the plan was to accept the votes of those who did not vote for either of the first ranked two choices, which are alt.oobe and alt.out-of-body, and add them in. Doing so only gives alt.out-of-body one more vote (that of Jim Eggett, who did not vote for either of the two top- ranked names as a first choice). That means that there are actually between 24 and 26 votes for alt.out-of-body. The uncertainty caused by the two votes in the "1/2" category doesn't make a difference, since even conceding both votes as first-choice votes for alt.oobe gives a score of 15 for alt.oobe to 24 for alt.out-of-body. -- Gary S. Trujillo gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Somerville, Massachusetts {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst -- Gary S. Trujillo gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Somerville, Massachusetts {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst ======= end control message ======= -- John M. Price, PhD jmprice@calweb.com Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP! Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683 Syndicate Section III - Number 1 Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them. - Steve Eley