From: FruityPaste@webtv.net (Fruity Paste) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: new group Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:54:10 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 44 Message-ID: <13423-38415E32-11@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-5425-1668 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRIzNET6rpuO7cMPxXfsb7FBRenLAIVAK1QtkUEb5IxaWCNNvdrfJ4Vkg14 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=darkseagreen Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail --WebTV-Mail-5425-1668 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is there. what do you guys think??? Karolina --WebTV-Mail-5425-1668 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit "Work like you don't need the money, dance like nobody is watching, and love like you have never been hurt. ." --WebTV-Mail-5425-1668-- ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Date: 28 Nov 1999 23:19:25 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 80 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6ur9haz2c2.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <13423-38415E32-11@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 FruityPaste@webtv.net (Fruity Paste) writes: > > hi everyone, except garrison. :-) > i was thinking, what would everyone think > if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. That would be a mailing list, not a newgroup. Note that I am on 3 such lists and actually run the machine one of them is on (an office mate runs the list content). > Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting > and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. > all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to > bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... Good for the nerves, but bad for spontanity. The problem consists of the "filtered out" bit requiring that all posts go to a person (the moderator) who then has to kill/accept them. So they all stay laying in that persons mailbox, until they are online the next time. So it is not possible to discuss at more than 1 answer per online session of the moderator. In all cases where this has been done, it has resulted in delays and so a lack of the spontanity that makes Usenet news so good. The best recommendation I can give you is to simply ignore the bad posts. They are part of life, just like rude people are. Turn them a blank eye. I do not know if a WebTV has an killfile/auto-delete feature to delete them before you even get to see em. But I would assume it to have one (the software is an adaption of IE4, which has such feature). > every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read > something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is > there. That can also be done with news (and is being done). For alt.o-o-b try: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.out-of-body/ Note that I only store "good" threads, that is them that add new and usefull stuff (in a sense the archive is moderated, not the discussion). > what do you guys think??? A good intention, which in the real world simply does not fly. > > > > autostart="true"> A request: could you lose the HTML in your posts? It makes a big mess on my (and many other) newsreader. On some newer ones it even starts up new windows for each HTML post. Both are annoying. I know that it is possible to switch off HTML on an WbTV, because I have seen HTML-less posts from WebTV Users. But I do not know how to do it, as I have never seen an WebTV (they do not exist in this country). Yours... -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ alt.out-of-body (and alt.ascii-art, alt.folklore.computers, rec.arts.books.tolkien, lugs@lugs.ch mailing list) archivar since 2 years ###### Message-ID: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> From: TienYen Organization: none that I know of X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: new group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:41:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 943828906 24.226.43.9 (Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:41:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:41:46 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail For some reason, I couldn't reply directly to this post, so I had to copy/paste etc. - hope I got the whole thing. hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. 1) I would sign up 2) the 'stress-free' environment *might* encourage a few more people all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is there. what do you guys think??? Karolina 3) I have a problem with 'filtering'. Nasty posts don't bother me. The only thing that does bother me is looking back & seeing I've written something inappropriate. Democratic forums (fori?) must necessarily include opposing points of view. "Work like you don't need the money, dance like nobody is watching, and love like you have never been hurt. ." I like this quote; where's it from? Best wishes, TienYen ###### Message-ID: <3841AFA7.E4762013@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:41:43 +1100 From: Craig Shillington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group References: <13423-38415E32-11@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.106 X-Trace: 29 Nov 1999 11:47:12 +1000, 203.87.38.106 Lines: 41 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.106 Hi Karolina, > hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think > if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. > Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting > and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. > all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to > bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... > every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read > something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is > there. what do you guys think??? It's a good idea if you want to be able to censor messages and keep bandwidth down, but I don't believe we have the right to ignore anyone the right to be able to express their personal opinions here. Okay, sometimes these things get out of hand when some become more childish in their attitudes about posting, but we need to simply ignore those posts or lodge complains to the respective ISP's if we feel we are being harassed. Isp's have user *codes of conduct* pages where you can view the do's and don'ts of the respective ISP's. If you feel a poster is behaving in such a way to not be obliging of the ISP's code of conduct, you can lodge a formal complaint with the ISP. If they get enough complaints, they will do something about it. Just as they have the right to talk here, we have the right to complain if we feel they are acting improperly. No, I don't feel that we have the right to exclude anyone from expressing themselves as long as they do so in a civilized and understanding way. Just my thoughts ...... All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: pirmoser@pcug.org.au (The SnowBaron) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:07:41 GMT Organization: I am very organised, thankyou Reply-To: pirmoser@pcug.org.au References: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts117.pcug.org.au Message-ID: <384307e9.0@newshost.pcug.org.au> Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!newsfeed.icl.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!newshost.pcug.org.au!ts117.pcug.org.au Hello TienYen; It was written be a self enlightened Soul. Baraka Bashad Frank ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, * "Work like you don't need the money, dance like nobody is *watching, and love like you have never been hurt. ." *I like this quote; where's it from? *Best wishes, *TienYen ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Dec 1999 19:24:07 GMT References: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991221142407.20843.00000682@ng-fb1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > > >For some reason, I couldn't reply directly to this post, so I had to >copy/paste etc. - hope I got the whole thing. > > >hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think >if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. >Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting >and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. > >1) I would sign up >2) the 'stress-free' environment *might* encourage a few more people > >all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to >bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... >every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read >something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is >there. what do you guys think??? >Karolina Karolina, I think it is a fine idea, i would cooperate How do we start? jean galliano ###### From: Bob Bruhin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:42 -0500 Organization: Delaware Valley Pagan Network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3860209E.FE5AEC95@dvpn.org> References: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> <19991221142407.20843.00000682@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp6.blackbox1-mfs.netaxs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: GALLIANOJ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netaxs.newsread.com!usenet This is relatively easy these days. Feel free to let me know if you need any help getting started. GALLIANOJ wrote: > > > > > > >For some reason, I couldn't reply directly to this post, so I had to > >copy/paste etc. - hope I got the whole thing. > > > > > >hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think > >if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. > >Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting > >and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. > > > >1) I would sign up > >2) the 'stress-free' environment *might* encourage a few more people > > > >all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to > >bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... > >every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read > >something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is > >there. what do you guys think??? > >Karolina > > Karolina, > I think it is a fine idea, i would cooperate > How do we start? > jean galliano -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Bruhin bruhinb@dvpn.org President, Delaware Valley Pagan Network http://www.dvpn.org/~dvpn/ ###### From: midnight@worldchat.com (midnight) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Message-ID: <3861d89b.20776898@news.worldlinx.com> References: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> <19991221142407.20843.00000682@ng-fb1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.137.135 X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 945805913 205.210.137.135 (Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:51:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:51:53 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail On 21 Dec 1999 19:24:07 GMT, gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) wrote: >>>hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think >>if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. >>Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting >>and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. >> >>1) I would sign up >>2) the 'stress-free' environment *might* encourage a few more people >> >>all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to >>bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... >>every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read >>something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is >>there. what do you guys think??? >>Karolina For those that wish, there is already a mailing list in existance having to do with this topic already. It is sponsored by the Monroe Institute (of Robert A. Monroe fame). It is called "VML", for Voyager Mailing List. If anyone is interested in joining this group (already 500 members strong and growing) of other friends interested in OBE' s and related topics let me know via PEM, and I will sent the instructions for subscribing to you. The list is not moderated, but troublemakers will find themselves unsubscribed relativly quickly anyways!!! ALso, if you like the more personal touch, there is a Voyagers IRC channel as well. It is accessable through any "DALnet" server. The name of the channel is #TMIVoyagers . IRC is case sensitive, so any deviation from that exact spelling ( #TMIVoyagers) will put you somewhere else. The channel is not that active as of late, but all are welcome anytime. It would be interesting to get together to discuss our experiences "live", don't you think??? Evenings are the most active.....between 9pm and 1am (EST) is the busiest time for the channel. If nobody is there, hang around a few minutes to see who shows up! Hope to see you there!! (I am generally on there around midnight EST or so) Rick ###### Message-ID: <386036B3.C2BB4179@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group References: <83pbf2$96d$2@news.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:23:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp45.ts7-2.newportnews.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:23:59 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Garrison Hilliard wrote: > > I agree... go somewhere reality doesn't have to confront you at all! "Run > away, run away" sayeth the oobe'ers! You were beat up as a kid weren't you? -- http://www.scinomaly.org : Science outside the norm. ###### From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 03:07:06 GMT Organization: AlteredState Imaging/Psi App/WCS Lines: 13 Message-ID: <388b4020.495577010@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <83pbf2$96d$2@news.efn.org> <386036B3.C2BB4179@visi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-544.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 LOL!! Yeah, reminds me of the kid who'd bring a note to gym asking that he not be required to "shower" with the rest of the kids..heheeh Haunter On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:23:59 GMT, John Garrison wrote: >Garrison Hilliard wrote: >> >> I agree... go somewhere reality doesn't have to confront you at all! "Run >> away, run away" sayeth the oobe'ers! > >You were beat up as a kid weren't you? ###### Message-ID: <38604895.23A5AF1E@visi.net> From: John Garrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: new group References: <3841B05C.70FEEBDE@Home.com> <19991221142407.20843.00000682@ng-fb1.aol.com> <38604675_2@news.calweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 03:40:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp45.ts7-2.newportnews.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:40:19 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail John M Price PhD wrote: > > In alt.out-of-body article <19991221142407.20843.00000682@ng-fb1.aol.com> GALLIANOJ wrote: > :> > :> > :>For some reason, I couldn't reply directly to this post, so I had to > :>copy/paste etc. - hope I got the whole thing. > :> > :> > :>hi everyone, except garrison. i was thinking, what would everyone think > :>if i started an e-mail based newsgroup that you had to sign up for. > :>Everything actually related to obe or just stories that are interesting > :>and you wanted to share could be shared in a stress free invironment. > :> > :>1) I would sign up > :>2) the 'stress-free' environment *might* encourage a few more people > :> > :>all nesty critisism would be filtered out so you wouldn't even have to > :>bother. Does that sound like a good idea. and then on top of that... > :>every single one of the messeages can be stored so that if you read > :>something a long time ago and you want to go back and find it.. it is > :>there. what do you guys think??? > :>Karolina > > : Karolina, > : I think it is a fine idea, i would cooperate > : How do we start? > > Someone has to go to eGroups and establish it. You can have it open for > reading by the world, and postable only by subscribed, if yuo are that > intereseted in controlling the on-topic content. > > http://www.egroups.com > > I have heard bad things about, but have never been on a list from > onelist.com. You might also want to try topica at http://www.topica.com They host the mailing list for my PowerPak Game Programming Library and are a very good service. I didn't say anything before though as I am already subscribed to more than one mailing list and don't want to be forced out of this newsgroup because guys like Garrison feel the need to annoy the group on a regular basis. -- http://www.scinomaly.org : Science outside the norm.