From: "Bahamut" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> Subject: Re: Thought Creation Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:19:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.184.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 943827541 24.112.184.107 (Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:19:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:19:01 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > Yes indeed I do believe this to be so. IMO, we tend to stick to a > humanoid body while out because we feel so comfortable with such a > body and we are so used to having one, that it takes little effort > or concentration to keep one formed. :-) It comes natural, you could > say. I also believe that it is possible to take on any other shape > that one desires while astral and to also project any shape to > others that we may encounter while astral. In this way, not only I wonder if when meeting another person while astral travelling we look as we do in reality, or we look more as we picture ourselves inside our head (which is bound to be almost chariciturish)? > that is we are a part of our consciousness, so that anything we do > while OOB, will remain there for as long as we have a consciousness. I have heard a few theories along these lines. That the astral realm is actually build by our thoughts in a manner. While travelling in a real-time OBE you are very close to the actual physical earth, but you can travel higher up in the astral plane then that and end up in not-quite-so physical realms. The way it might work is the longer something a stood somewhere and the more that somebody has thought about it, the longer it stays around in whatever part of the astral realm you are in. This might explain why when you are out, a piece of furniture in your house might be different. It could have belonged to a previous tennant. Of course, this is all just theoretical, based on the personal observations of a few people. > This is something I want to test out with my partner, but I seem to > be having a little difficulty getting out lately, so that will have > to wait for a while. Another techinque to try when out again, I don't know if you've heard about it, is 'virtual-reality projection'. It's sound pretty simple. Put a poster up in your room with a light on it so it's pretty much flat-lit all over. When you project, float your conciousness slower towards it, keeping your thoughts blank, and float right into it. Apparently sometimes you actually can enter an environment that is exactly like the poster. You trick your subconcious (much more creatively powerful than your conciousness, but obviously less accessible) into believing that you have actually entered this world. I wish I could apply some personal experience to this, but that will have to wait! Arlo ###### Message-ID: <3841BC68.66FAB8BF@Home.com> From: TienYen Organization: none that I know of X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:33:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 943831990 24.226.43.9 (Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:33:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:33:10 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Hi Bahamut Bahamut wrote: > Another techinque to try when out again, I don't know if you've heard about > it, is 'virtual-reality projection'. It's sound pretty simple. Put a poster > up in your room with a light on it so it's pretty much flat-lit all over. > When you project, float your conciousness slower towards it, keeping your > thoughts blank, and float right into it. Apparently sometimes you actually > can enter an environment that is exactly like the poster. You trick your > subconcious (much more creatively powerful than your conciousness, but > obviously less accessible) into believing that you have actually entered > this world. > > I wish I could apply some personal experience to this, but that will have to > wait! Just as an aside, have you seen the movie "What Dreams May Come"? Robin Williams dies (at the beginning - I'm not giving anything away) and his spirit creates an afterlife based on a painting originally done by his wife. I found it a pretty interesting movie. Cheers, TienYen ###### Message-ID: <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:16:37 +1100 From: Craig Shillington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.111 X-Trace: 30 Nov 1999 10:51:03 +1000, 203.87.38.111 Lines: 98 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news9-gui.server.ntli.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.111 Hi Arlo. > > > Yes indeed I do believe this to be so. IMO, we tend to stick to a > > humanoid body while out because we feel so comfortable with such a > > body and we are so used to having one, that it takes little effort > > or concentration to keep one formed. :-) It comes natural, you could > > say. I also believe that it is possible to take on any other shape > > that one desires while astral and to also project any shape to > > others that we may encounter while astral. In this way, not only > > I wonder if when meeting another person while astral travelling we look as > we do in reality, or we look more as we picture ourselves inside our head > (which is bound to be almost chariciturish)? I personally believe that we can change ourselves to be representative of anything we wish, in appearance that is. I also believe that there is no way that we can hide what we really are towards others we meet astrally. Nothing about us will be secret in this way. > > that is we are a part of our consciousness, so that anything we do > > while OOB, will remain there for as long as we have a consciousness. > > I have heard a few theories along these lines. That the astral realm is > actually build by our thoughts in a manner. While travelling in a real-time > OBE you are very close to the actual physical earth, but you can travel > higher up in the astral plane then that and end up in not-quite-so physical > realms. The way it might work is the longer something a stood somewhere and > the more that somebody has thought about it, the longer it stays around in > whatever part of the astral realm you are in. This might explain why when > you are out, a piece of furniture in your house might be different. It could > have belonged to a previous tennant. Of course, this is all just > theoretical, based on the personal observations of a few people. Yes I believe this also. The more we think about something, the more energy we give it, so that it can be represented in the astral state for longer. In this way, even if a piece of furniture has been moved, we may still pick up on it's etheric energy while OOB and believe we actually saw it there. I believe I have actually done this during a trip to see a friend overseas. When reporting to her what I had seen, I mentioned a tree out the front of her house. When she read this, she commented on how they had a tree there up until a year earlier, then they cut it down and all that remained was a stump. Yet I still *saw* it as a full tree there. I think the same can be said for objects that will be placed in particular places in the future also. Somehow, the etheric energy for those objects has been placed there before them, whether through someone thinking about putting the object in question there, and thus giving it it's energy or maybe by somehow being able to sometimes sense future time while astral I don't know. > > This is something I want to test out with my partner, but I seem to > > be having a little difficulty getting out lately, so that will have > > to wait for a while. > > Another techinque to try when out again, I don't know if you've heard about > it, is 'virtual-reality projection'. It's sound pretty simple. Put a poster > up in your room with a light on it so it's pretty much flat-lit all over. > When you project, float your conciousness slower towards it, keeping your > thoughts blank, and float right into it. Apparently sometimes you actually > can enter an environment that is exactly like the poster. You trick your > subconcious (much more creatively powerful than your conciousness, but > obviously less accessible) into believing that you have actually entered > this world. Yes, again, this is something I wish to try, but once again; why would you need a light on it so that it was illuminated? Maybe because that is a part of your belief system, that you need to light the physical object so that (in your own mind) it will be more easily seen when projecting. Most of my OBE's have happened in darkness, yet I could *see* as clear as if it were daytime. At the same time, I knew I was OOB and that it was night time, yet often when I pass through my window it is daytime outside. Go figure. ;-) > I wish I could apply some personal experience to this, but that will have to > wait! Hopefully soon you will be Arlo. The more you want, the easier it becomes, but at least you are doing a lot of questioning in the mean time, you are thinking about this alot, I'll even bet that you are starting to form your own opinions about a lot of it too now. :-) All this will be taken into account *by you* when you achieve an OOB state, it even helps or hinders you while trying. Keep up the practice, stay confident and keep reading and questioning. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- Message-ID: <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:16:37 +1100 From: Craig Shillington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.111 X-Trace: 30 Nov 1999 10:51:03 +1000, 203.87.38.111 Lines: 98 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news9-gui.server.ntli.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.111 Hi Arlo. > > > Yes indeed I do believe this to be so. IMO, we tend to stick to a > > humanoid body while out because we feel so comfortable with such a > > body and we are so used to having one, that it takes little effort > > or concentration to keep one formed. :-) It comes natural, you could > > say. I also believe that it is possible to take on any other shape > > that one desires while astral and to also project any shape to > > others that we may encounter while astral. In this way, not only > > I wonder if when meeting another person while astral travelling we look as > we do in reality, or we look more as we picture ourselves inside our head > (which is bound to be almost chariciturish)? I personally believe that we can change ourselves to be representative of anything we wish, in appearance that is. I also believe that there is no way that we can hide what we really are towards others we meet astrally. Nothing about us will be secret in this way. > > that is we are a part of our consciousness, so that anything we do > > while OOB, will remain there for as long as we have a consciousness. > > I have heard a few theories along these lines. That the astral realm is > actually build by our thoughts in a manner. While travelling in a real-time > OBE you are very close to the actual physical earth, but you can travel > higher up in the astral plane then that and end up in not-quite-so physical > realms. The way it might work is the longer something a stood somewhere and > the more that somebody has thought about it, the longer it stays around in > whatever part of the astral realm you are in. This might explain why when > you are out, a piece of furniture in your house might be different. It could > have belonged to a previous tennant. Of course, this is all just > theoretical, based on the personal observations of a few people. Yes I believe this also. The more we think about something, the more energy we give it, so that it can be represented in the astral state for longer. In this way, even if a piece of furniture has been moved, we may still pick up on it's etheric energy while OOB and believe we actually saw it there. I believe I have actually done this during a trip to see a friend overseas. When reporting to her what I had seen, I mentioned a tree out the front of her house. When she read this, she commented on how they had a tree there up until a year earlier, then they cut it down and all that remained was a stump. Yet I still *saw* it as a full tree there. I think the same can be said for objects that will be placed in particular places in the future also. Somehow, the etheric energy for those objects has been placed there before them, whether through someone thinking about putting the object in question there, and thus giving it it's energy or maybe by somehow being able to sometimes sense future time while astral I don't know. > > This is something I want to test out with my partner, but I seem to > > be having a little difficulty getting out lately, so that will have > > to wait for a while. > > Another techinque to try when out again, I don't know if you've heard about > it, is 'virtual-reality projection'. It's sound pretty simple. Put a poster > up in your room with a light on it so it's pretty much flat-lit all over. > When you project, float your conciousness slower towards it, keeping your > thoughts blank, and float right into it. Apparently sometimes you actually > can enter an environment that is exactly like the poster. You trick your > subconcious (much more creatively powerful than your conciousness, but > obviously less accessible) into believing that you have actually entered > this world. Yes, again, this is something I wish to try, but once again; why would you need a light on it so that it was illuminated? Maybe because that is a part of your belief system, that you need to light the physical object so that (in your own mind) it will be more easily seen when projecting. Most of my OBE's have happened in darkness, yet I could *see* as clear as if it were daytime. At the same time, I knew I was OOB and that it was night time, yet often when I pass through my window it is daytime outside. Go figure. ;-) > I wish I could apply some personal experience to this, but that will have to > wait! Hopefully soon you will be Arlo. The more you want, the easier it becomes, but at least you are doing a lot of questioning in the mean time, you are thinking about this alot, I'll even bet that you are starting to form your own opinions about a lot of it too now. :-) All this will be taken into account *by you* when you achieve an OOB state, it even helps or hinders you while trying. Keep up the practice, stay confident and keep reading and questioning. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "Bahamut" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Subject: Re: Thought Creation Lines: 85 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:00:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.184.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 943959645 24.112.184.107 (Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:00:45 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:00:45 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > I personally believe that we can change ourselves to be > representative of anything we wish, in appearance that is. I also This would all be an interesting set of experiments if OBE where more common and induced with greater ease and frequency... Of course, things will be as they are! > this during a trip to see a friend overseas. When reporting to her > what I had seen, I mentioned a tree out the front of her house. When > she read this, she commented on how they had a tree there up until a > year earlier, then they cut it down and all that remained was a > stump. Yet I still *saw* it as a full tree there. I think the same Very cool. What came to mind when I read this was how tree's are usually a focus for children and adults, although more for children who have no quams about climbing around in them or swinging from them, etc. If this tree had been there for a while and it was a fairly lonely tree on the property, it probably got a lot of attention: people catching the sound of the fall leaves rattling in the wind, sitting under it's shade, climbing it, etc. All this thought energy no doubt strengthed it's thought-form in the astral dimension. I realize now that there are some things in my apartment that are there, but I don't really pay much attention to. I'm curious if these objects will still be around once I'm out. I know that this isn't a very nice thought, but if a new home you move into had a lot of nasty energy generated in it by the previous tenets (abusive husband/parents, a murder or what not) you would pick up on anything there when you are Out? Would you pick up any 'bad vibes'? > been placed there before them, whether through someone thinking > about putting the object in question there, and thus giving it it's > energy or maybe by somehow being able to sometimes sense future time Some liturature I have read points out the fact that for all we know, the future has an infinate number of possibilities, nothing is set in stone. (BTW, have you ever heard of "The Future Wind"?) So indeed, if your wife/girlfriend has been thinking about painting the walls a certain color for a long time, but never gotten around to it, you might actually see it when your are OOB. > easily seen when projecting. Most of my OBE's have happened in > darkness, yet I could *see* as clear as if it were daytime. At the Again, I am only taking the word of others at this point. =) Perhaps just to be certain that it looks completely flat-lit with no hot-spots that would make your subconcious realize that it's trying to be tricked? I really don't know.. > same time, I knew I was OOB and that it was night time, yet often > when I pass through my window it is daytime outside. Go figure. ;-) Interesting! It's more of a sense of what time of day it is than an actual visual indicator.. hmm.. > Hopefully soon you will be Arlo. The more you want, the easier it > becomes, but at least you are doing a lot of questioning in the mean > time, you are thinking about this alot, I'll even bet that you are Oh, when I get onto a subject, I get easily drawn in and it becomes my focus. Sometimes this passion only happens for a short while, but I'm determined not to let my mind get distracted by another interesting subject! This forum has been great. Many times already I've seen questions asked by newcomers and they receive very encouraging, thoughtful respones from many people. I'm glad I've found another place on the internet that hasn't been touched by greed or filled with selfish, withdrawn people! > starting to form your own opinions about a lot of it too now. :-) > All this will be taken into account *by you* when you achieve an OOB > state, it even helps or hinders you while trying. Keep up the > practice, stay confident and keep reading and questioning. :-) As always! :) I'm TRYING my best to keep an open mind about all of this. As in other areas of my life I'm trying to apply the motto "no expectations", something that I've had somewhat of a problem with. Expecting things to be a certain way when they usually are not. It would definately be to my benefit to really engrain that motto into myself. Thanks for the encouragement! Take care, Arlo ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:41:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Bahamut wrote in message ... >> I personally believe that we can change ourselves to be >> representative of anything we wish, in appearance that is. I also > >This would all be an interesting set of experiments if OBE where more common >and induced with greater ease and frequency... > Here's some more fuel for the fire. I thought I heard somewhere of people who thought they were reincarnations of people and when they found a photo of the person in question they looked very much like them. It seems our bodies are a direct reflection of our energetic makeup (mind/emotions/spirit). >Of course, things will be as they are! > >> this during a trip to see a friend overseas. When reporting to her >> what I had seen, I mentioned a tree out the front of her house. When >> she read this, she commented on how they had a tree there up until a >> year earlier, then they cut it down and all that remained was a >> stump. Yet I still *saw* it as a full tree there. I think the same > >Very cool. What came to mind when I read this was how tree's are usually a >focus for children and adults, although more for children who have no quams >about climbing around in them or swinging from them, etc. If this tree had >been there for a while and it was a fairly lonely tree on the property, it >probably got a lot of attention: people catching the sound of the fall >leaves rattling in the wind, sitting under it's shade, climbing it, etc. All >this thought energy no doubt strengthed it's thought-form in the astral >dimension. I realize now that there are some things in my apartment that are >there, but I don't really pay much attention to. I'm curious if these >objects will still be around once I'm out. I've moved a lot and I always had trouble moving into a new house, waking up and seeing odd furniture and the like: the old owner's furniture and stuff, I presume. It can get very eerie walking around a house that way. However, after a few weeks to a month the images would fade and be replaced by my own furnishings. > >I know that this isn't a very nice thought, but if a new home you move into >had a lot of nasty energy generated in it by the previous tenets (abusive >husband/parents, a murder or what not) you would pick up on anything there >when you are Out? Would you pick up any 'bad vibes'? > Yes. It's good to clear a home energetically when you move in. You can do this by imagining light around the recesses of the home. It's good to do this at your place of work as well. You'd be amazed what you find out when you do this. I first starting working at a new job and I all of a sudden came down with a bad cough for over a month. First two weeks I didn't pay attention because I never seem to get sick long. By the third week I realized something was wrong. The fourth week I began my clearing exercises all around the building, my office and to various people that WERE NOT SICK. There were only two or three that seemed to be in perfect health and I thought it was rather peculiar with the rest of us suffering. So, I decided to "douse" them with light as I was beginning to suspect a "psychic" cause to all our misfortune. Sure enough, a week after I started doing this, my "cold" went away. It took two more weeks to clear my office space. Another couple of weeks and other people were getting better. Finally the end result of those people that weren't sick? They left the company in a bid to undermine the entire company. They left "sooner" than they would have left according to what some told me, but the reasoning there, I'm not sure. Good riddance, they caused lots and lots of trouble for the rest of us. In actuality they had been causing trouble during the time we were all sick, but no one had discovered it yet. On some subconscious level though I'm certain we all knew what was coming. People may say the illnesses just ran their course. However they weren't illnesses they were symptoms like a bad cough that wouldn't go away, severe acne, fatigue etc. As soon as those people left everyone felt better. It isn't just the energy of sick and disturbed minds that affect. Everyone has an effect on everyone else, energetically speaking. Claire ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:44:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail One other note, when one of them came to tell me they were leaving, I had this burst of "INSIGHT" and realized exactly at that moment how all three tied together and what they were up to. I blurted it out and you never saw someone run so fast from my office! It soon became common knowledge when it was disclosed by senior management that what I had said was true. Curious, no? Claire ###### From: "claire" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:37:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!newsfeed.tli.de!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail No. I didn't mean to imply that. They would have to be into black magic to do that. I meant to state that if you are doing negative things, whether people are aware of it consciously or not, they are aware of it on some other level. Your energies mix and you pick it up on an energetic level. In this case, it's possible that's what was causing the "symptoms" in the workplace before the actual event took place. It's a theory of mine, since I've noticed patterns this way. Much like people who get sick were thinking negative thoughts long before the illness took hold. The reason the man didn't hang around was because when I stated: "Hey! Now I now what's going on!" and said it, it wasn't exactly an honorable thing to do, and I think he was just uncomfortable he couldn't deny it. They had wanted us to figure it out AFTER everyone left, not before. Claire Bahamut wrote in message ... >"claire" wrote: > >> It isn't just the energy of sick and disturbed minds that affect. >> Everyone has an effect on everyone else, energetically speaking. > >Do you believe that these people were somehow purposes spreading bad energy >around, as you refer to them as a group and they seemed scared when you >figured out what was going on... > >Arlo > > ###### From: "Bahamut" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Subject: Re: Thought Creation Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:28:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.184.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 944134092 24.112.184.107 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:28:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:28:12 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail "claire" wrote: > It isn't just the energy of sick and disturbed minds that affect. > Everyone has an effect on everyone else, energetically speaking. Do you believe that these people were somehow purposes spreading bad energy around, as you refer to them as a group and they seemed scared when you figured out what was going on... Arlo ###### From: "Bahamut" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Subject: Re: Thought Creation Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:48:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.184.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 944171291 24.112.184.107 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:48:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:48:11 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail "claire" wrote: > The reason the man didn't hang around was because when I stated: "Hey! > Now I now what's going on!" and said it, it wasn't exactly an honorable > thing to do, and I think he was just uncomfortable he couldn't deny it. They > had wanted us to figure it out AFTER everyone left, not before. :) I think that you could probably use the statement "Hey! Now I now whats going on / what you're up to!" and get anybody scared about something that they had done.. :) Arlo ###### Message-ID: <38482A35.3090785@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 07:38:13 +1100 From: Craig Shillington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Thought Creation References: <2KX%3.22309$V4.413904@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3840583E.77A0085@the.end.of.the.message> <%4Z%3.22347$V4.419886@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> <3841792C.73D98CCE@the.end.of.the.message> <3842FB45.4D2CB6DA@the.end.of.the.message> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.58 X-Trace: 4 Dec 1999 09:31:16 +1000, 203.87.38.58 Lines: 173 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.58 Hi Arlo. > > > I personally believe that we can change ourselves to be > > representative of anything we wish, in appearance that is. I also > > This would all be an interesting set of experiments if OBE where more common > and induced with greater ease and frequency... > > Of course, things will be as they are! I have done this in a way, sort of, I think. ;-) When visited my friend overseas OOB. I was OOB, there was a point where she stopped what she was doing, looked straight at me and smiled. The smile was a smile of acknowledgement, you know the sort. I feel I somehow made her feel my presence subconsciously. That is, she had no idea that I was in her locale, but still she looked right into my eyes and smiled. When I asked her about this in an email, she said she had no idea that I was there, but that she'd sometimes think about me and smile. Now, whether or not *I* made her feel my presence by somehow projecting myself at her, making her perceive me as being there, I will never know, but this has made me think that there are probably a lot of ways that we can represent ourselves to others while we are OOB. > > this during a trip to see a friend overseas. When reporting to her > > what I had seen, I mentioned a tree out the front of her house. When > > she read this, she commented on how they had a tree there up until a > > year earlier, then they cut it down and all that remained was a > > stump. Yet I still *saw* it as a full tree there. I think the same > > Very cool. What came to mind when I read this was how tree's are usually a > focus for children and adults, although more for children who have no quams > about climbing around in them or swinging from them, etc. If this tree had > been there for a while and it was a fairly lonely tree on the property, it > probably got a lot of attention: people catching the sound of the fall > leaves rattling in the wind, sitting under it's shade, climbing it, etc. All > this thought energy no doubt strengthed it's thought-form in the astral > dimension. I realize now that there are some things in my apartment that are > there, but I don't really pay much attention to. I'm curious if these > objects will still be around once I'm out. Trees are very spiritual objects IMO. :-) Not that that has much to do with this discussion. ;-) I do believe that our thoughts about physical objects do indeed project into the astral, giving the physical objects an astral form from our thoughts. This may or may not be the reason why we perceive some things more easily than others. > I know that this isn't a very nice thought, but if a new home you move into > had a lot of nasty energy generated in it by the previous tenets (abusive > husband/parents, a murder or what not) you would pick up on anything there > when you are Out? Would you pick up any 'bad vibes'? My guess is probably yes. But again it would depend on how you perceive what this energy represents to you also. That is, what do you believe? If you believed the house was haunted, then quite possibly if you got OOB, you may perceive some things as a result of having that belief. > > been placed there before them, whether through someone thinking > > about putting the object in question there, and thus giving it it's > > energy or maybe by somehow being able to sometimes sense future time > > Some liturature I have read points out the fact that for all we know, the > future has an infinate number of possibilities, nothing is set in stone. > (BTW, have you ever heard of "The Future Wind"?) So indeed, if your > wife/girlfriend has been thinking about painting the walls a certain color > for a long time, but never gotten around to it, you might actually see it > when your are OOB. Yes I have heard about these theories as well. Haven't really put a lot of thought into them myself though. No, I haven't read 'The Future Wind', I'll jot that down for the next time I'm at the library. :-) That is quite possible, but I feel that our personal thoughts would far outweigh the thought forms of others while we are OOB. By that I mean, even if my wife was thinking about painting the walls blue and I got OOB without knowing she was thinking about this and looked at the colours of the wall, I would interpret what I saw based on my personal feelings, or on what I recall them to have looked like, based on my belief system and physical perceptions, upon returning to the physical and thinking about what I saw. (Confused???) ;-) > > easily seen when projecting. Most of my OBE's have happened in > > darkness, yet I could *see* as clear as if it were daytime. At the > > Again, I am only taking the word of others at this point. =) Perhaps just to > be certain that it looks completely flat-lit with no hot-spots that would > make your subconcious realize that it's trying to be tricked? I really don't > know.. I guess if you believe that the painting/poster/picture needs to be lit, I would suggest you do that, as you may have a difficult time struggling with your own beliefs while OOB to actually focus enough on the painting. That is, if you believe it should be lit and you don't, you may not even perceive that it is there when you get out, because you will know it's not illuminated. Plus, illuminating the object prior to separation would be giving you a goal for when you do separate and thus help you to stay focused while you are out. :-) > > same time, I knew I was OOB and that it was night time, yet often > > when I pass through my window it is daytime outside. Go figure. ;-) > > Interesting! It's more of a sense of what time of day it is than an actual > visual indicator.. hmm.. You know, that is it exactly. When I separate, I get OOB from my sleeping self at night, I KNOW it is night time. So I'm in my room and it is light enough to see, but I KNOW it is night time. But, if I KNOW it's night time, why do I sometimes end up in the day light when I leave the house? Maybe it is day time as perceived from my point of view, only while I'm in my room I am tricking myself into thinking it is night time because that's how it is in the physical. Dunno. Sometimes it is night time when I leave the house as well. Most of the time when I am OOB, there seems to be a slight haze or mist, yet at the same time, everything is extremely crystal clear and sharply focused. I can't explain that. > > Hopefully soon you will be Arlo. The more you want, the easier it > > becomes, but at least you are doing a lot of questioning in the mean > > time, you are thinking about this alot, I'll even bet that you are > > Oh, when I get onto a subject, I get easily drawn in and it becomes my > focus. Sometimes this passion only happens for a short while, but I'm > determined not to let my mind get distracted by another interesting subject! > This forum has been great. Many times already I've seen questions asked by > newcomers and they receive very encouraging, thoughtful respones from many > people. I'm glad I've found another place on the internet that hasn't been > touched by greed or filled with selfish, withdrawn people! I think the quality of the postings here, always makes up for the shortcomings of being a public forum. People come and go, with the exception of a handful of people who really believe that they can make a difference here. Being able to talk about this openly and not be ridiculed is one of the greatest strengths of this type of NG. It brings about compassion, closeness and understanding between people who are searching for answers to their own questions. > > starting to form your own opinions about a lot of it too now. :-) > > All this will be taken into account *by you* when you achieve an OOB > > state, it even helps or hinders you while trying. Keep up the > > practice, stay confident and keep reading and questioning. :-) > > As always! :) I'm TRYING my best to keep an open mind about all of this. As > in other areas of my life I'm trying to apply the motto "no expectations", > something that I've had somewhat of a problem with. Expecting things to be a > certain way when they usually are not. It would definately be to my benefit > to really engrain that motto into myself. Yes, that is more true, when doing this, than you probably understand. :-) If you have no expectations, then *anything* is possible. If nothing ever happens, you have lost nothing at all. Because you weren't expectant. If you continually expect things to happen, you'll always think you are missing or have lost something. Much like some others who have posted to the group recently. ;-) Be aware of what may be possible, but never expect that things will just happen. Actually, a lot of my OBE's have taken place when I have least expected them to. :-) All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au --