From: "Josh" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: The truth as I see it Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 02:52:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.52.27 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 943584779 216.208.52.27 (Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:52:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:52:59 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail I want to have OBE's. I see that it is possible, but I must validate for myself by actually experiencing it. Please do not fault me for not being able to experience one. Please try to help me. Now for my plan. This is an offer to all of you to join me in changing the world. Who of you feel that civilization and society have become a spreading disease on the face of this world? Who of you want a change? I am ready to begin the change. The total collapse of civilization will have to take place. Then, and only then can the new way of life emerge. You can all help. Join the crusade of collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com Change is a natural part of this universe Josh Keyes ###### Message-ID: <383E1C8A.6F5C56E8@ameritech.net> From: BJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: The truth as I see it References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:37:14 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.179.162.8 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 943594391 199.179.162.8 (Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:33:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:33:11 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Personally, I'd like to start with changing myself first and worry about the rest of the planet later on :-). Josh wrote: > > I want to have OBE's. I see that it is possible, but I must validate > for myself by actually experiencing it. Please do not fault me for not > being able to experience one. Please try to help me. > > Now for my plan. This is an offer to all of you to join me in changing > the world. Who of you feel that civilization and society have become a > spreading disease on the face of this world? Who of you want a change? I > am ready to begin the change. The total collapse of civilization will have > to take place. Then, and only then can the new way of life emerge. You can > all help. Join the crusade of collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com > > Change is a natural part of this universe > Josh Keyes ###### Message-ID: <383E21B8.695AD99B@Home.com> From: TienYen Organization: none that I know of X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: The truth as I see it References: <383E1C8A.6F5C56E8@ameritech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:56:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 943595806 24.226.43.9 (Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:56:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:56:46 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail BJ wrote: > Personally, I'd like to start with changing myself first and worry about > the rest of the planet later on :-). Agreed. It's a bummer to jump into a river to save someone from drowning...and then realize you don't know how to swim. ;> ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: The truth as I see it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:08:35 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 943625542 156.46.129.60 (Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:12:22 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:12:22 CST Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Josh wrote in message ... > Now for my plan. This is an offer to all of you to join me in changing >the world. Who of you feel that civilization and society have become a >spreading disease on the face of this world? Who of you want a change? I >am ready to begin the change. The total collapse of civilization will have >to take place. Then, and only then can the new way of life emerge. You can >all help. Join the crusade of collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com I think you've missed the point, Josh. We are with you, and will help you if we can with your attempts to have an OOBE. But this last paragraph of your's sounds a bit radical, for one. All change comes from within! To change the world.... change yourself! You will affect others in the same manner. The ultimate pyramid scheme...that works! Human souls on the road through spiritual evolution, make society in this physical world what it is today. Society is EXACTLY where it is meant to be! Take your eyes from the physical world,... and place them inward and onward to the spiritual ! B.D. Yager ###### From: "Josh" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: The truth as I see it Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:01:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.52.170 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 943632103 216.208.52.170 (Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:01:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:01:43 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail the plan is a radical one, but if you guys have an open mind about OBE's, then please have an open mind about the "Change". Mother Earth is tired of being pummeled and raped. Some of us have heard the call to self destruct. It is time to rid the world of the disease we have created. Josh Keyes Join the collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com ###### From: "Floating" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: The truth as I see it Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <8tB%3.146$4a5.3721@nnrp4.clara.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:47:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.151.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freeuk.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 943645636 212.126.151.135 (Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:47:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:47:16 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Hi Josh, But don't you think the world is changing anyway, and if people don't change then that's the whole point of free will. The subject of OBEs and Lucid Dreams are much more well known and discussed now than they were 30 years ago, and who knows what advances will be made in 200 years. IF we do 'pummel' and rape' the 'Mother Earth' isn't it up to us to face the consequences of our own decision making,i.e.: 'reap what you sow', the law of karma etc? Anyway, I'm sure I read in one of the Seth books, about the existence of probable future worlds, where you mayd find a 'pummelled and raped' type world or a Heaven on Earth type world. I wonder if anyone who is an advanced OBE'er or Lucid Dreamer has visited such worlds? Floating. Josh wrote in message news:H9y%3.67488$up3.105015@news21.bellglobal.com... > the plan is a radical one, but if you guys have an open mind about OBE's, > then please have an open mind about the "Change". Mother Earth is tired of > being pummeled and raped. Some of us have heard the call to self destruct. > It is time to rid the world of the disease we have created. > > Josh Keyes > > Join the collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com > > > ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: The truth as I see it Date: 27 Nov 1999 00:18:56 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 56 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6upuwwhme7.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Josh" writes: > > I want to have OBE's. I see that it is possible, but I must validate > for myself by actually experiencing it. Good. > Please do not fault me for not > being able to experience one. Please try to help me. I would not fault you for not yet having experienced one (I have not either). But for claiming to not being able? No, that is defeatism. The surest way to fail is to believe you will fail. > Now for my plan. This is an offer to all of you to join me in changing > the world. I am doing that, daily, piece by piece. In Mails, Usenet, Job, ... > Who of you feel that civilization and society have become a > spreading disease on the face of this world? Who of you want a change? Definitely. Both. > The total collapse of civilization will have > to take place. Then, and only then can the new way of life emerge. Oh no! Not annother deluded one! Destruction has never produced somethong better. Just made things worse. Try: "Gulivers Travels" by Jonathan Swift. It is over 200 years old, but that point already was known then. > You can > all help. Join the crusade of collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com No. I will help: by providing escape routes, by giving people an alternative to continueing downwards. > Change is a natural part of this universe The universe is blind. Being killed by an avalanche is change. But sentient beings should aim at making the changes improvemens, not destuction. Give, don't take. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: Lissa Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: The truth as I see it Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:05:23 -0800 Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38436922.498AC299@uclink4.berkeley.edu> References: Reply-To: meleigh@no_spam.uclink4.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: has-96-66.reshall.berkeley.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: agate.berkeley.edu 943942020 7683 169.229.96.66 (30 Nov 1999 06:07:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 1999 06:07:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!agate.berkeley.edu!agate!not-for-mail Oh lord. I thought you were joking with all that junk. Are you serious? That's absolutely frightening. Josh wrote: > the plan is a radical one, but if you guys have an open mind about OBE's, > then please have an open mind about the "Change". Mother Earth is tired of > being pummeled and raped. Some of us have heard the call to self destruct. > It is time to rid the world of the disease we have created. > > Josh Keyes > > Join the collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com ###### From: "B.D. Yager" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <38436922.498AC299@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: The truth as I see it Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <_fM04.119$Og.31391@homer.alpha.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:48:42 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.46.129.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 943951994 156.46.129.63 (Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:53:14 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:53:14 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail Hi Lissa... yeah, I think the guy's a real case! Scared me, too! I even wondered if maybe somebody should call the FBI ! :) B.D. Yager Lissa wrote in message <38436922.498AC299@uclink4.berkeley.edu>... >Oh lord. I thought you were joking with all that junk. Are you serious? >That's absolutely frightening. > >Josh wrote: > >> the plan is a radical one, but if you guys have an open mind about OBE's, >> then please have an open mind about the "Change". Mother Earth is tired of >> being pummeled and raped. Some of us have heard the call to self destruct. >> It is time to rid the world of the disease we have created. >> >> Josh Keyes >> >> Join the collapse at josh_keyes@hotmail.com >