From: mparker001@home.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Hemi-Sync is Bogus Message-ID: <3802e933.7731914@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 67 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:59:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.24.38 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 939715168 24.8.24.38 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:59:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:59:28 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail It seems like the sellers of Hemi-Sync are strongly implying something that is not true. The issue is "binaural beating" which is the basis of their product. They are implying that what they call the binaural beating is a phenomena that isn't real, something that only the brain can perceive or creates, and only due to it's synchronizing via Hemi-Sync, or whatever. If fact, the beat experienced is a scientifically known phenomena that is properly referred to as the 'beat frequency'. Look it up in any college-level physics text, or online for that matter. The beat frequency is perceived whenever two sounds waves of slightly different frequencies are present. When their amplitudes coincide, they produce a third beat that rides on top of the two. This is not something that is just magically perceived by our mysterious mind. It is easily measured. See the following: At this site: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/bbapplet.html they state "A sound played in the left ear is heard as a single tone. A sound played in the right ear is also heard as a single tone. When played together the vibrato perceived is called binaural beating." You can use their own demo to verify what I say. First of all, it doesn't matter what ear the sounds are played to. Close one ear and you can still hear the beat frequency. Also, notice that the two sounds are of a slightly different tone, i.e. frequency. This is required to get the effect - I wonder why they failed to mention that? When the two tones are played together, they produce a beat frequency. Again, the brain is not creating this experience from combining the two sounds. Close one ear and you can still hear the beat frequency. Then, at this site, they are blatant: http://www.monroeinstitute.com/hemisync1.html "The audio-guidance process works by sending different sounds (tones) to each ear with stereo headphones. The two hemispheres of the brain then act in unison to "hear" a third signal-the difference between the two tones. This is not an actual sound, but an electrical signal that can only be perceived within the brain by both brain hemispheres working together." This is total bull. They tell the truth about the two sounds being different, but to say that the third signal, the beat frequency, is not an actual sound and can only be perceived by the brain when both hemi's work together is a total lie. It IS a sound and can be measured with an oscilloscope. Any animal with ears will hear it if it can hear the two underlying sounds. Beat frequencies are all around us. I can hear one now coming from my computer fan. Listen to the beat frequency when a twin prop plane starts up it's engines. After the first engine is started and fully running, the pilot will start the second. As the second engine approaches the same rmp as the first, you will start to hear a whow-whow-whow sound and slowly disappear as the second engine comes to match the first's rpm. That is a beat frequency. Close one ear, thereby deafening one hemisphere, and you will still hear the beat frequency. Cool! I just found the perfect site. Check this out, a demonstration of the beat frequency: http://hyperion.advanced.org/19537/Physics5.html So, it is quite obvious to me that the sellers of Hemi-Sync tapes are hoping that the laymen will be intrigued by the novelty of the beat frequency and get all excited and want to buy their products. From the look at all the advertisements posted to this newsgroup, I am certain that some of the retailers will be reading this - and maybe even moderating this newsgroup - so I do expect a good explanation for the blatant false advertising, because that's exactly what it is. Oh, do make sure you get your lawyer to write the response. ###### Message-ID: <380353D8.2A88875@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Reply-To: sculpt@privatei.com Organization: fractal in nature X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hemi-Sync is Bogus References: <3802e933.7731914@news> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 86 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:29:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.131.176.169 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 939742348 204.131.176.169 (Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:32:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:32:28 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Just thought I'd throw my two cents in here. Everything you are saying about BFO's is true and I don't dispute your claim, but I think you are over reacting because you are forgetting one very simply but important point. BFOs are caused by the summation of audio energy in air or by the summing of audio signals using an electronic audio summing circuit (mixer). The hemi sync relies on neither, but rather tries to create a BFO by mixing the perceived signals in the head whether that be by actual neural signal mixing, or by simply having the mind mix the signals. It seems to me a sound (no pun intended) method of creating BFOs in the mind. Now whether or not BFOs created by the brain will lead to OBEs is a whole other story. I've never tried HS before so I am not going to comment on it's value. Ken mparker001@home.com wrote: > It seems like the sellers of Hemi-Sync are strongly implying something > that is not true. The issue is "binaural beating" which is the basis > of their product. They are implying that what they call the binaural > beating is a phenomena that isn't real, something that only the brain > can perceive or creates, and only due to it's synchronizing via > Hemi-Sync, or whatever. If fact, the beat experienced is a > scientifically known phenomena that is properly referred to as the > 'beat frequency'. Look it up in any college-level physics text, or > online for that matter. The beat frequency is perceived whenever two > sounds waves of slightly different frequencies are present. When > their amplitudes coincide, they produce a third beat that rides on top > of the two. This is not something that is just magically perceived by > our mysterious mind. It is easily measured. See the following: > > At this site: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/bbapplet.html > > they state "A sound played in the left ear is heard as a single tone. > A sound played in the right ear is also heard as a single tone. When > played together the vibrato perceived is called binaural beating." > > You can use their own demo to verify what I say. First of all, it > doesn't matter what ear the sounds are played to. Close one ear and > you can still hear the beat frequency. Also, notice that the two > sounds are of a slightly different tone, i.e. frequency. This is > required to get the effect - I wonder why they failed to mention that? > When the two tones are played together, they produce a beat frequency. > Again, the brain is not creating this experience from combining the > two sounds. Close one ear and you can still hear the beat frequency. > > Then, at this site, they are blatant: > http://www.monroeinstitute.com/hemisync1.html > > "The audio-guidance process works by sending different sounds (tones) > to each ear with stereo headphones. The two hemispheres of the brain > then act in unison to "hear" a third signal-the difference between the > two tones. This is not an actual sound, but an electrical signal that > can only be perceived within the brain by both brain hemispheres > working together." > > This is total bull. They tell the truth about the two sounds being > different, but to say that the third signal, the beat frequency, is > not an actual sound and can only be perceived by the brain when both > hemi's work together is a total lie. It IS a sound and can be > measured with an oscilloscope. Any animal with ears will hear it if > it can hear the two underlying sounds. Beat frequencies are all > around us. I can hear one now coming from my computer fan. Listen to > the beat frequency when a twin prop plane starts up it's engines. > After the first engine is started and fully running, the pilot will > start the second. As the second engine approaches the same rmp as the > first, you will start to hear a whow-whow-whow sound and slowly > disappear as the second engine comes to match the first's rpm. That > is a beat frequency. Close one ear, thereby deafening one hemisphere, > and you will still hear the beat frequency. > > Cool! I just found the perfect site. Check this out, a demonstration > of the beat frequency: > http://hyperion.advanced.org/19537/Physics5.html > > So, it is quite obvious to me that the sellers of Hemi-Sync tapes are > hoping that the laymen will be intrigued by the novelty of the beat > frequency and get all excited and want to buy their products. From > the look at all the advertisements posted to this newsgroup, I am > certain that some of the retailers will be reading this - and maybe > even moderating this newsgroup - so I do expect a good explanation for > the blatant false advertising, because that's exactly what it is. Oh, > do make sure you get your lawyer to write the response. ###### From: "Denis Dhondt" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hemi-Sync is Bogus Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:53:43 +0200 Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7u0350$14v$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net> References: <3802e933.7731914@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: idialup191.gent.eunet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!newsr.Belgium.EU.net!not-for-mail -----Original Message----- From: mparker001@home.com Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Date: dinsdag 12 oktober 1999 9:59 Subject: Hemi-Sync is Bogus >It seems like the sellers of Hemi-Sync are strongly implying something >that is not true. The issue is "binaural beating" which is the basis >of their product. They are implying that what they call the binaural >beating is a phenomena that isn't real, something that only the brain >can perceive or creates, and only due to it's synchronizing via >Hemi-Sync, or whatever. If fact, the beat experienced is a >scientifically known phenomena that is properly referred to as the >'beat frequency'. Look it up in any college-level physics text, or >online for that matter. The beat frequency is perceived whenever two >sounds waves of slightly different frequencies are present. When >their amplitudes coincide, they produce a third beat that rides on top >of the two. This is not something that is just magically perceived by >our mysterious mind. It is easily measured. See the following: Of course, where two waves, like soundwaves, but also other waves, have a interference. But this waves can't interfere, because you have to ware headphones. The third wave is formed in your brain, not in the air, that is the difference. Friendly greetings, VRIENDELIJKE GROETEN Denis Dhondt Paranormal association: "Aura-Oasis vzw" - Belgium http://www.ping.be/aura-oasis/ Denis.Dhondt@ping.be (Dutch paranormal site in Dutch and English language) ###### From: Jax Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Hemi-Sync is Bogus Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 05:02:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 67 Message-ID: <7ubl96$aqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3802e933.7731914@news> <7u0350$14v$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.16.242.81 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Oct 17 05:02:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.16.242.81 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjgrabon Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail I have a more experiential viewpoint on this matter because I have 4 hemi-synch CD's. I am not that familiar with how they work (as ya all are) but they really don't do 'that' much. I have one entitled "Pain Control" which is the equivalent to a tylenol. My other one, is supposed to get you out of the body. I have experienced 'slight' altered states of consciousness and pretty decent relaxation with the CD's, which I cannot attain with any other drones, meditation music or music that claims to produce brain waves such as Theta. So, I feel that they are doing something, but I cannot see how people like Bruce Moen can go and write 2 great books based on where hemi- synch took him. If only there wasn't the annoying chatter of the narrator telling you what to do next, it'd be better. They are very expensive but it is a crutch. People need to learn to project using will power for someday, you won't have your hemi-synch CD to rely on. Peace & Love In article <7u0350$14v$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net>, "Denis Dhondt" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: mparker001@home.com > Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body > Date: dinsdag 12 oktober 1999 9:59 > Subject: Hemi-Sync is Bogus > > >It seems like the sellers of Hemi-Sync are strongly implying > something > >that is not true. The issue is "binaural beating" which is the basis > >of their product. They are implying that what they call the binaural > >beating is a phenomena that isn't real, something that only the brain > >can perceive or creates, and only due to it's synchronizing via > >Hemi-Sync, or whatever. If fact, the beat experienced is a > >scientifically known phenomena that is properly referred to as the > >'beat frequency'. Look it up in any college-level physics text, or > >online for that matter. The beat frequency is perceived whenever two > >sounds waves of slightly different frequencies are present. When > >their amplitudes coincide, they produce a third beat that rides on > top > >of the two. This is not something that is just magically perceived > by > >our mysterious mind. It is easily measured. See the following: > > Of course, where two waves, like soundwaves, but also other waves, > have a interference. But this waves can't interfere, because you have > to ware headphones. The third wave is formed in your brain, not in the > air, that is the difference. > > Friendly greetings, VRIENDELIJKE GROETEN > Denis Dhondt > Paranormal association: "Aura-Oasis vzw" - Belgium > http://www.ping.be/aura-oasis/ > Denis.Dhondt@ping.be > (Dutch paranormal site in Dutch and English language) > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: "raptor" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3802e933.7731914@news> <7u0350$14v$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net> <7ubl96$aqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Hemi-Sync is Bogus Lines: 77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:50:22 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.166.139 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 940466825 206.170.166.139 (Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:47:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:47:05 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail I believe that you are supposed to use a technique to induce an OOBE like projection. (See William Buhlman's book "Adventures Out of the Body") Listening passively to a CD or tape will not result in much. Just as active meditation is more helpful than passive styles. raptor Jax wrote in message <7ubl96$aqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I have a more experiential viewpoint on this matter because I have 4 >hemi-synch CD's. I am not that familiar with how they work (as ya all >are) but they really don't do 'that' much. I have one entitled "Pain >Control" which is the equivalent to a tylenol. >My other one, is supposed to get you out of the body. I have >experienced 'slight' altered states of consciousness and pretty decent >relaxation with the CD's, which I cannot attain with any other drones, >meditation music or music that claims to produce brain waves such as >Theta. >So, I feel that they are doing something, but I cannot see how people >like Bruce Moen can go and write 2 great books based on where hemi- >synch took him. If only there wasn't the annoying chatter of the >narrator telling you what to do next, it'd be better. >They are very expensive but it is a crutch. People need to learn to >project using will power for someday, you won't have your hemi-synch CD >to rely on. > >Peace & Love > > > > > > > >In article <7u0350$14v$1@news3.Belgium.EU.net>, > "Denis Dhondt" wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mparker001@home.com >> Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body >> Date: dinsdag 12 oktober 1999 9:59 >> Subject: Hemi-Sync is Bogus >> >> >It seems like the sellers of Hemi-Sync are strongly implying >> something >> >that is not true. The issue is "binaural beating" which is the basis >> >of their product. They are implying that what they call the binaural >> >beating is a phenomena that isn't real, something that only the brain >> >can perceive or creates, and only due to it's synchronizing via >> >Hemi-Sync, or whatever. If fact, the beat experienced is a >> >scientifically known phenomena that is properly referred to as the >> >'beat frequency'. Look it up in any college-level physics text, or >> >online for that matter. The beat frequency is perceived whenever two >> >sounds waves of slightly different frequencies are present. When >> >their amplitudes coincide, they produce a third beat that rides on >> top >> >of the two. This is not something that is just magically perceived >> by >> >our mysterious mind. It is easily measured. See the following: >> >> Of course, where two waves, like soundwaves, but also other waves, >> have a interference. But this waves can't interfere, because you have >> to ware headphones. The third wave is formed in your brain, not in the >> air, that is the difference. >> >> Friendly greetings, VRIENDELIJKE GROETEN >> Denis Dhondt >> Paranormal association: "Aura-Oasis vzw" - Belgium >> http://www.ping.be/aura-oasis/ >> Denis.Dhondt@ping.be >> (Dutch paranormal site in Dutch and English language) >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.