From: "Vmb1" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: OBEs bad for religion? Date: 01 Oct 1999 17:49:02 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts010d04.sag-mi.concentric.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? ###### From: "Robert Moss" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:00:23 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7t43v3$omo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.68.248 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 938840867 25304 12.79.68.248 (2 Oct 1999 05:07:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 1999 05:07:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail Check Corinthians II for Paul's out-of-body experience (told coyly as the story of the man "caught up into the third heaven, whether in the body or out of it I know not). Mystical flights beyond the body have been absolutely central to living Christian spirituality, as to all living religions. Read Morton Kelsey, "God, Dreams and Revelation" on Judeo-Christian tradition, I.P.Couliano's "Out of this World" on visionary journeys from Gilgamesh to Einstein, and my own "Dreamgates". (Details of all three at my website www.mossdreams.com) Jung, the son of a disenchanted minister, once observed that organized religion exists to protect humanity from the direct experience of the sacred. Today, we are hungry for that direct knowledge of the spiritual world, and journeying beyond the body is one of the principal ways we attain it. In the process, we gain first-hand confirmation of a belief shared by Christianity and most other religions, which is that (because the soul can travel outside the body) it will survive the death of the body. Dream true! Robert www.mossdreams.com Vmb1 wrote >Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of >the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > > ###### Message-ID: <37F576F0.DD8710A4@Home.com> From: heaven eye Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 02:58:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 938833135 24.226.43.9 (Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:58:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:58:55 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Vmb1 wrote: > > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? Hmmm..Eventually go crazy? You'll have lots of company :) If you have faith, don't fear. If your heart is true, don't fear. If you fear, don't do it! TienYen ###### From: Lan Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Organization: collection60@hotmail.kom References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0b13 (PPC) X-Face: ('6#W3M0VcTo"48.W9C'HH[]}D;ZATZ;(K~h4&sqcUp(NpxUQKztt93LZ(hMQ fp[:%MK!c2S<7'Ix>7fum|@@+m;v]O}!`+Rg@pmO,1K@=D\|:tUx.1f}#!Jb>$v4!3B7 5y}=X\oO+7!v/`>7$0-n4I>9[D;$BlY)$hw#Yg|f&DLl"r-%v9Hi(-a&$CrP1/*V|6m] ?y"O*bT`sw@nd<_L!l2e>*95Q>&/A6B-)AW-#g/saJ|t/arNjaLt.0di4Fl Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.62.170 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 938865366 12338 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail In article <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net>, "Vmb1" wrote: >Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of >the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? That person was a regressive, ignore him/her for your benefit. -- My website: http://members.tripod.com/LanTheBoy Email: Anti-chaos. ICQ://26027485 |)>Sigh<(| ###### From: "sylvain.didelot" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:47:24 -0000 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Message-ID: <7t4rh3$cr6$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nancy-12-21.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 938864995 13158 164.138.110.21 (2 Oct 1999 11:49:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 1999 11:49:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail personnally,I am thiking that if god doesn't want let us fly , no one of us secced in ! OBE is a natural think and it's clear that a mind check up must be done before beginning as clear are you intention, as easy will be the flying french mulder Vmb1 a écrit dans le message : 7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net... > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > > ###### From: Leal Butler Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:58:32 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37F566C7.427A44E2@ihug.co.nz> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail I think you should tell that someone that they're neurotic and oughta get a life. If they're a good friend, maybe you could tell them that you talked to god, and god said it was okay with him/her, and god's sick and tired of [your friend] speaking on his/her behalf. Vmb1 wrote: > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? ###### From: Lenny Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 15:25:10 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 18 Message-ID: <37F57B16.2E3DBA34@ihug.co.nz> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <37F576F0.DD8710A4@Home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10-tnt5.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Oh. That's a nicer way to put it. heaven eye wrote: > Vmb1 wrote: > > > > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > > Hmmm..Eventually go crazy? > You'll have lots of company :) > > If you have faith, don't fear. If your heart is true, don't fear. If > you fear, don't do it! > > TienYen ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: 02 Oct 1999 21:06:50 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 39 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6ur9jdeg51.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "Vmb1" writes: > > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. According to whose definition of crazy? Simply contemplating doing it is sufficient in some peoples definitions. > Also, it is wrong to be out of the body According to whose definition of wrong? > and God doesn't want that. Which God? There are 100s of definitons of this word. It definitely is not for the God I believe in, but that is due to my interpretation of what the word means having no such thing as an concept of good or bad. (That is an God which consists of pure willpower and no experience, rather like an newborn child, learning through the existance of its subparts in the world, astral and physical). > What do you guys think? That OBE is definitely bad for _some_ religions. Anything that leads to personal experience and the trust into ones person is per definition bad for religions that are based on keeping the unwashed masses in uncritical reverence to their leaders and nicely following them lemming-like to the leaders definition of salvation. Democracy _is_ bad for dictators. But that does not mean it is bad for the person who has become set free. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: Haunter Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 09:45:52 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <37F636C0.73CC0CE3@castles.com> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <7t4rh3$cr6$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-892.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 I agree totally with you FM.(I think:) What kind of Gawd would it be that would create creatures like us who are very "driven" by curiosity and exploring every nook and cranny of our universe and our minds only to be told..."Sorry, can't do this..and oh yeah, while I'm thinking of it...don't do THAT either...ok, back to living and dying". It's ludicrous to think that "Gawd" is so petty and so controlling as to not wanting us to OOBE...I would assume that the original poster also believes the Old Testament to be a literal record of early life on the planet. Haunter "sylvain.didelot" wrote: > > personnally,I am thiking that if god doesn't want let us fly , no one of us > secced in ! > OBE is a natural think and it's clear that a mind check up must be done > before beginning > > as clear are you intention, as easy will be the flying > > french mulder > > Vmb1 a écrit dans le message : > 7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net... > > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my > body > > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > > > > ###### From: mdevereaux@webtv.net (Michael Devereaux) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1272-37F6BCD4-102@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR0SIcVFhq0o0apg6KXEtpMOsaR7AIUKWkHAlKK6IxOo/++h4DsIAEQGoo= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Tell the truth everyone - OBEs are bad for religion, because after you've had one, organized religion starts looking pretty pathetic. ###### From: RedDreamer@hotmail.com (Red Dreamer) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: 3 Oct 1999 00:52:23 -0700 Organization: May you all find what you seek Message-ID: <7t71vn$26sh@drn.newsguy.com> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-700.newsdawg.com Lines: 54 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn In article , John says... > >On 01 Oct 1999 17:49:02 PDT, "Vmb1" wrote: > >>Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >>again because I would eventually go crazy. > >There would be some truth to that statement. Most people who have OOB, >and other psychic experiences, are considered crazy. If having psychic >experiences bothers you then think twice about OOBs. > >>Also, it is wrong to be out of >>the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > >That would be his opinion of what God wants. He might be right. He >might be wrong. Do your own thinking. If he believes that OOBs are >wrong then he should be able to tell you why. In time you should know >enough to counter such ill informed opinions/statements. > >Regards, John. > Hi folks..... a personal recent experience of mine. I've had OOBE's as long as I can remember. Sleep paralysis, what ever you want to associate it with, as far back as I can remember it has happened fairly regularly, like at least once or twice a week, even under self inducement at times. A few months ago I had the oppurtunity to take on a second job on the side for money that was too hard to turn down. I work nights at my regular job. (I'm a night owl, what can I say?) So I took this day job on the side. It wrecked havoc on my sleep schedule, as you might imagine. My dreams became jumbled, where before I could remember my dreams in great detail, including the OOBEs I had. I took this past weekend off and had the oppurtunity to actually 'sleep' for an extended period (more than 4 hours) I had my first OOBE in quite some time. WOW! It was like an arm that had been amputated was suddenly there again. Part of 'me' that hadn't been there suddenly was again. I feel like all of the 'me inside of me' is there again. My wife was quick to notice it. I saw a smile on her face that I hadn' t seen in a while. A 'comfortable' smile when we were together. In my case, not going OOB might be construed as pushing me to the edge. Whatever it means or is, it's part of me. I've seen things that in the waking world would seem beyond the understanding of my mind, but in my OOBE seem not supernatural, but natural and comfortable, even the frightening things. Thanks for the ears. I've lurked for some time and thought this was maybe worth sharing. Red ###### Message-ID: <37F6D236.4D1B996D@Home.com> From: heaven eye Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <1272-37F6BCD4-102@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:40:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 938922046 24.226.43.9 (Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:40:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:40:46 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Michael Devereaux wrote: > > Tell the truth everyone - OBEs are bad for religion, because after > you've had one, organized religion starts looking pretty pathetic. To add to this point, organized *anything* starts to look a little feeble. Regards, TienYen ###### From: geddiea95@aol.com (G EddieA95) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Oct 1999 04:02:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991003000240.19654.00000040@ng-xb1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >>Also, it is wrong to be out of >>the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > If God did not want us to leave our human bodies, He would never tear us out of them! ###### From: "Ian Wilson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:56:54 GMT Organization: Death Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bf0d5c$b5e80fa0$b5d566cf@deathlord> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <7t43v3$omo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Hey Robert, Another good bible reference is John while he is in Spirit in Revelations... all his visions are typical of an OOBE. Cheers, Ian ###### From: "Ian Wilson" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 05:00:37 GMT Organization: Death Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bf0d5d$3b797b40$b5d566cf@deathlord> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!news.ndh.net!newsfeed.tli.de!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? It's definitely bad for most religions because it makes you realize that you've been lied too and suckered in to some cultural myth by replacing it with the truth through personal experience. Besides, tell your friend you can go directly to God and get it set straight while OOBE... ignore the middleman and all the huffle in between... plus it's a lot of fun! cheers, Ian ###### From: "Nikfit" Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip245.toronto6.dialup.canada.psi.net/154.5.72.245 References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <1272-37F6BCD4-102@newsd-622.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-TWRN-Tag: 938942416348 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <_cFJ3.2564$%62.48326@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 09:19:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 938942394 216.200.3.203 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 02:19:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 02:19:54 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Omdevereaux@webtv.net (Michael Devereaux) wrote: > Tell the truth everyone - OBEs are bad for religion, because after > you've had one, organized religion starts looking pretty pathetic. > Ok. So IYO, The Ten Commandments or The Golden Rule have nothing to do with OBE's?????????????? Keep an open mind! -Nikfit!!!!!! ...Right now I am living up to my name, shudda bought some smokes!! -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). ###### From: John Fitzsimons Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Message-ID: References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.524 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:01:02 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.22.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 938916058 203.87.22.122 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:00:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:00:58 EST Organization: Customer of Telstra Big Pond Direct Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail On 01 Oct 1999 17:49:02 PDT, "Vmb1" wrote: >Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >again because I would eventually go crazy. There would be some truth to that statement. Most people who have OOB, and other psychic experiences, are considered crazy. If having psychic experiences bothers you then think twice about OOBs. >Also, it is wrong to be out of >the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? That would be his opinion of what God wants. He might be right. He might be wrong. Do your own thinking. If he believes that OOBs are wrong then he should be able to tell you why. In time you should know enough to counter such ill informed opinions/statements. Regards, John. -- **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: rgross6162@aol.com (RGross6162) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Oct 1999 13:18:41 GMT References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991003091841.20505.00000050@ng-fr1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail What an interesting question, and one that's asked by many people. The key here is fear...fear of the unknown and fear because of the way the churches have controlled the people for eons. I can absolutely guarantee you, that once you learn the techniques to get out of the body your life will become more spiritual and meaningful each day. You will meet your teachers and guides, who chose to walk with you during this incarnation. You will discover how to find out why you came here on earth at this time, to this family, etc. Knowledge is power, and the churches don't want to share this knowledge because then they lose the power over the people. Thanks for your questions. Rose Ann ###### From: Gareth Whittock Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:16:14 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 9 Message-ID: <37F7571E.6BFCA25D@dial.pipex.com> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userbh14.uk.uudial.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 938956445 29247 62.188.142.233 (3 Oct 1999 13:14:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1999 13:14:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!peer.news.th.u-net.net!u-net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail I think this person is full of shit. just my 2 ecus Gareth Vmb1 wrote: > > Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body > again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of > the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Oct 1999 18:53:33 GMT References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991003145333.27015.00000128@ng-ft1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of >the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > Vmb1, I think that having OBE's brought out of Religion and into Spirituality. During my dreaming and out of body experiences i learned more about God than i ever did at Mass. These Altered States of Consciousness gave me different insight and perspective to the Creator and the Creation than my training in Catholicism. However, beiing Christian was a base for me and i did absorb many of the teachings. But i was not satisfied with Blind Faith and so i asked in prayer to understand the deepest meanings of Christ's Teachings. OB and other dream states have helped me to see these teachings much more clearly. If you are interested in Christianity (or are Christian) please reference "The Aquarian Gosple of Jesus the Christ" by Levi. I have found Jesus speaking of Reincarnation, Soul Travel, The Speed of Light, the Aura, Ages...and much much more. This book helped me affirm that OB is just one other way (or level) of experiencing God. I do consider myself Christian and honor Jesus as the Avatar of the Piscean Age. His message was one of Immortality and i do believe we are learning a means to immortality by learning how to continue our consciousness in our dreaming...and if we can do this, we may be able to continue our consciousness after death. After His death, Jesus came fully manifested in His Light Body and appeared before many of His followers and Teachers...he stayed for sone time, ate and drank and spoke of the higher realms...He had become the message he brought. Egyptian Religion also is about continuim of consciousness beyond dreath, this has been the theme of Religion. And so, now that we are finding a means to do this we are askiing oursleves: "Is this Religion?" "How does this effect my Religion?" My thought is that perhaps we are growing out of needing an organized form of spiritual laws and rules and into individual spirituality where we can count our own Integrity, Honor and Love to do the right thing, make the correct choices etc...And perhaps we could learn to count on these virtues in others as well. If we lived in a Society of people who could do this...well, the world would have to change for the better, simply based on our Virtue. Its awhile away but if we all begin with ourselves...it could happen. If you dont want to leave your body, dont. And if you cant, dont worry about it, there are infinite ways of finding God. If your just leaving your body for fun and your just along for the ride, ride on... chances are you wont miss the worlds around you. If youre really looking for something, put IT out there, The Universe is aching to answer you. We are paving a new road now, with this Dreaming and OBE...theres alot of questions and concerns...But like Galileo, we are being presented with a new idea that may not fly at first.And just like there was MORE to the make up of the World than previously thought, there is MORE to the make up of a human...than ever we imagined. God's has got a better Plan than ever we figured... if we allow it to unfold, letting our "expectations" fall away the treasure of heaven will appear right before our hungry eyes and it will grow right out of our lonely hearts. its there, i promise you, i can see it with my own eyes. jean galliano ###### From: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:55:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7t8fi7$r5k$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem4294967233.advice.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 938983815 27828 195.92.0.63 (3 Oct 1999 20:50:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 1999 20:50:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Vmb1 wrote in message <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net>... >Hi, someone very religious told me that I should avoid going out of my body >again because I would eventually go crazy. Also, it is wrong to be out of >the body and God doesn't want that. What do you guys think? > > Hi 'Vmb', Iagree with what has already been said. I believe that the purpose of our existence is the realization of who and what we are. Christ, Mohhamed, Buddha and other Realized Beings became incarnate to remind us of our 'beingright'. OBE is a natural way of realizing that we are, in essence, not are physical bodies; Knowing, instead of just believing . . . 'seek the truth, and the truth shall set you free'. Love carol ###### Message-ID: <37F7D43E.360EC11C@Home.com> From: heaven eye Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> <7t71vn$26sh@drn.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:01:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.226.43.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.on.home.com 938988088 24.226.43.9 (Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:01:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:01:28 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Red Dreamer wrote: > > > > Thanks for the ears. I've lurked for some time and thought this was maybe worth > sharing. > > Red Thanks, Red Dreamer, it *is* worth sharing. Cheers TienYen ###### From: "DreamWave" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:28:14 +0300 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN SERVERIN asiakas Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7tao29$ofg$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mmmcdlxxii.hdyn.saunalahti.fi X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.tele2.nl!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Ask your God for His opinion in this matter. ###### From: spc8452@aol.com (SPC 8452) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBEs bad for religion? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Oct 1999 05:32:07 GMT References: <7t3kpu$nc0@journal.concentric.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991016013207.17969.00000171@ng-ck1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Where in the bible did God prohibit OBE's? In fact, it is mentioned many times.