Message-ID: <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Reply-To: sculpt@privatei.com Organization: fractal in nature X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Here's a trick to prevent blindness while OBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:15:53 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.131.176.162 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 938582319 204.131.176.162 (Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:18:39 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:18:39 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Hi Everyone. Sorry I haven't been around for awhile, my life has been wrapped up with work and in finding a new girlfriend and that doesn't leave much time for anything else. But anyway, I just wanted to report on a discovery I made today. I had an OBE this morning that lasted about an hour. It was wonderful. But when I first separated I had trouble seeing. Much of my loss of sight and control seemed to be part of the whole right side of my astral body, as if the right side of my face was covered in a thick mud (covering one of my eyes) and the right side of my body was feeling covered as well making me feel weird enough that it was interfering with me becoming lucid. I've had problems seeing on several of my more recent OBEs and I've been wondering what could possibly be causing the problem. Then it struck me like a ton of bricks. Get this. It was caused because I was lying on the right side of my body and my face was pressed into the pillow. This sensation against my skin was enough to transform into a real problem on my astral body manifesting itself as mud and screwing with the eyesight on my right side. I've been projecting more from my side recently, since that's how I like to sleep and it's been causing these sight problems. When I used to project more from my back I didn't have such a problem. Now as it turns out I found a way to counteract the problem without actually having to project while lying on the back, so all you side sleeping OBEers can just stay that way. This method may sound kind of (really) stupid, but it works. After you separate, make an effort to turn your phys-bod over in the bed. You won't actually be turning your physical body of course, but you will be turning the image of your physical body. If you have difficulty getting to your bed (which I did) it turns out you don't need to even do that. There is a substitute trick you can do that's very strange (which is what I ended up doing.) Look for an "icon" that represents your physical body, (sort of a voodoo doll effect). The icon in my case (please don't laugh) was a telephone, but I'm sure it could be just about any object that's lying around your room. You'll know it when you see it. Then turn it over as if it was your physical body. The icon not only represents your physical body in bed, but for some odd reason that I don't understand at all, while on the astral plane the icon actually *is* your physical body lying in bed. (If you've ever experienced this "irrational" type of thinking while astral before then you probably know what I'm talking about here). Once you turn it over, then bingo, your sight clears right up. There is something even better than this however. It turns out that if you take this icon (if you found it in a shadow) and move it to a well lit area, such as the sun or even just a street lamp, then it seems to increase your clarity tenfold and makes it infinitely easier to stay out longer. It's a wonderful trick and seems to be amazingly powerful. You don't even need to be next to the icon. For example, my icon was out on the back deck of the house I was in, under the streetlamp. Suddenly I started to lose lucidity. I quickly ran outside to check on the phone and someone had knocked it into the bushes. I grabbed it and held it up to the light, and my lucidity came right back and I was able to stay out for at least another half hour. (after asking everyone to *please* leave the phone alone). Don't ask me why it works or why you actually believe something like a rock or a telephone is really you when using your astral mind, but it seems to work and that's good enough for me. It turns out I could probably have stayed out much longer than I did, but my phys-bod was fighting a bad back cramp all night and I could feel something was wrong while I was out. I started to get sick to my stomach in my astral form, and so I waved goodbye to everyone and voluntarily returned. Sure enough I was in pretty bad pain once I got back, so it's a good thing I decided to return. (I'm ok now). By the way, I think I finally made it to a new level this morning. It was really grand. Ken ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comnospam (Jeff Mash) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Here's a trick to prevent blindness while OBE NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Sep 1999 06:53:02 GMT References: <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990929025302.20766.00004230@ng-fm1.aol.com> Lines: 29 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >But anyway, I just wanted to report >on a discovery I made today. > [SNIP OBE account] >By the way, I think I finally made it to a new level this morning. It >was really grand. Ken, Thanks for sharing that wonderful account with us. I know for me, astral sight has always been a problem, and I only started to "see" on my last few OBE's. I never attributed it to the actual position of my phys-bod, but now you give me something to think about. I also need to try the "icon" technique to maintain lucidity. Thanks for sharing these astral tips. Together with all of our input, we can learn so much and help increase our OBE experiences! <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "nospam" in the address. Need a laugh? Go to http://www.myjokemail.com "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" ###### NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1999092907331475767@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:33:14 +0100 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: J L Williams X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Subject: Re: Here's a trick to prevent blindness while OBE References: <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> Lines: 64 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 938599743 25061 194.247.47.23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail The message <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> from The Original Ken contains these words: > Hi Everyone. Sorry I haven't been around for awhile, my life has been > wrapped up with work and in finding a new girlfriend and that doesn't > leave much time for anything else. But anyway, I just wanted to report > on a discovery I made today. Welcome back Ken and congrats? ;-) > I had an OBE this morning that lasted about an hour. You make it sound so easy, I make it sound so difficult ;-( > It was wonderful. Good :-) > But when I first separated I had trouble seeing. That is really interesting, I wonder how that insight came about. > For example, my icon was out on > the back deck of the house I was in, under the streetlamp. Suddenly I > started to lose lucidity. I quickly ran outside to check on the phone > and someone had knocked it into the bushes. I grabbed it and held it up > to the light, and my lucidity came right back and I was able to stay out > for at least another half hour. (after asking everyone to *please* > leave the phone alone). OR ELSE! ;-) > Don't ask me why it works or why you actually > believe something like a rock or a telephone is really you when using > your astral mind, but it seems to work and that's good enough for me. > It turns out I could probably have stayed out much longer than I did, > but my phys-bod was fighting a bad back cramp all night and I could feel > something was wrong while I was out. I started to get sick to my > stomach in my astral form, and so I waved goodbye to everyone and > voluntarily returned. Hmmmm, common sense here. > Sure enough I was in pretty bad pain once I got > back, so it's a good thing I decided to return. (I'm ok now). Good, I get back pain if I remain in one position too long. > By the way, I think I finally made it to a new level this morning. It > was really grand. Now that would also be interesting to hear. > Ken -- Thanks for sharing. Regards Jim Watch and pray, time hastes away! ###### Message-ID: <37F2D98B.3CC812D1@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Reply-To: sculpt@privatei.com Organization: fractal in nature X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Here's a trick to prevent blindness while OBE References: <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> <1999092907331475767@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 106 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:31:23 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.131.176.136 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 938662450 204.131.176.136 (Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:34:10 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:34:10 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail J L Williams wrote: > The message <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> > from The Original Ken contains these words: > > > But when I first separated I had trouble seeing. > > > > That is really interesting, I wonder how that insight came about. Quite naturally. There was a little bit of the experience that vanished from my memory as soon as I returned and I tried in vain to recall it, but somewhere between attempting to approach my phys-bod and holding this telephone in my hand there was a morphing of one to the other (but not really). In other words, at that moment, my phys-bod became the phone in my hand (to be treated with as much respect), but without losing any of it's original identity *at all*. Like I mentioned earlier, that phone in my hand *was* my phys-bod, not just a representation of it. This identity remained through the whole OBE and was quite normal and easy to comprehend at the time. As soon as I returned however I was startled at the seeming silliness of the connection. Also, I did not choose the phone, but rather the phone made itself known to me during the transformation. (this really *does* sound silly, but such is the nature of OBE and I like to think that *nothing* is unimportant or silly when examining situations regarding OBEs since any one of these can lead to an important discovery about the nature of our awareness that hasn't been thought of before (did I explain myself out of that one :)). Perhaps you've had a dream where you saw a puppy and it started talking to you, and it seemed quite natural while it was happening, but upon awakening you laughed out loud. Same thing. > > By the way, I think I finally made it to a new level this morning. It > > was really grand. > > Now that would also be interesting to hear. I'm afraid it was more of a sensory and introspective experience than one with a good plot, so I'm going to refrain from posting it. But if you're interested, here's an excerpt: "At one point, I was looking up at the clear night sky. The city lights didn't drown it out at all. I was looking for a constellation that I might recognize in order to determine if I was at least near our own solar system, but the sky was completely unrecognizable. There was not even a hint of a milky way cluster which would have at least put me in the same galaxy. I had already determined that I was pretty far away from home base while talking to some of the people I met earlier and this just confirmed it. I noticed some objects in the sky that looked to me to be distant galaxies, but close enough that the clusters of colors where plainly visible. Several would swell in intensity and then settle back down. I inquired to someone that was standing next to me if the objects were galaxies and they said "Oh no, those are the minds of the gods." I didn't know what he meant, but I didn't have to wait very long to find out. One of the objects swelled to about 10 times the size of our moon and had a shimmering, transparent, silky look to it as if it were a circular Aurora Borealis. It was much more intense however and demanded attention. There was quite a crowd around me and the object was making quite a stir. Two more of the distant lights swelled soon after the first and followed it's lead. Several people in the crowd were aware of what was going on and indicated to the others to "make way" that "the gods are coming". The first object dropped out of the sky and as it was falling morphed into a large transparent image of a human. It was hundreds of feet tall as it descended, silky and wavering, colorful and transparent. A beautiful and powerful sight. As it descended further it solidified into an actual human form. A woman with red hair partially braided, a shawl around her shoulders, a warm smile, and an aura of sheer elegance and warmth. Two men descended the same way behind her, one holding a staff. Many in the crowd had obviously witnessed this before and it was also apparent that this was not something to be feared but enjoyed. The woman eventually approached and passed me without stopping but as she did she touched her fingertips to mine and said "You are a kind soul, a gentle soul." Her eyes looked into mine for the duration of the remark. Her touch broke with mine and she continued on through the crowd with many following her. To say I was taken back would be an understatement." Later on just before I left, I was walking with someone whom I had gotten to know a little while I was there. I found the exchange to be interesting so I'll post some of that as well. "I was walking up the sidewalk with this person and I was telling him that I needed to leave soon because I was feeling a little ill and I believed that my physical body might be in a bit of trouble and needed some attention. He laughed a little bit and said that I was talking nonsense, that if I thought I was just going to vanish in front of his eyes, then I was surely out of my mind. I realized the ridiculous nature of my comment and agreed with him that I most likely would not vanish, but then added that without a doubt my consciousness would soon be leaving this place in a few moments and that would be it for me here. We continued to talk a little more about what I meant and what I thought would be happening, that perhaps he would not even notice that I had gone at all but just continue to joke about my comments to my face long after I had already left. I gathered some people around and thank them for the good time, backed off while I waved good-bye (yes, it was slightly emotional) and transported back." Ken > Regards > Jim > Watch and pray, time hastes away! ###### Message-ID: <37F2DAC1.1E581C0B@privatei.com> From: The Original Ken Reply-To: sculpt@privatei.com Organization: fractal in nature X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Here's a trick to prevent blindness while OBE References: <37F1A089.C7FF691A@privatei.com> <19990929025302.20766.00004230@ng-fm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:36:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.131.176.136 X-Trace: wormhole.dimensional.com 938662756 204.131.176.136 (Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:39:16 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:39:16 MDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!wormhole.dimensional.com!not-for-mail Hi Jeff, Jeff Mash wrote: > Thanks for sharing that wonderful account with us. I know for me, astral sight > has always been a problem, and I only started to "see" on my last few OBE's. I > never attributed it to the actual position of my phys-bod, but now you give me > something to think about. I hope it leads to some helpful methods and insight for you. Your mileage of course may vary. > I also need to try the "icon" technique to maintain lucidity. Thanks for > sharing these astral tips. Together with all of our input, we can learn so > much and help increase our OBE experiences! I agree. In time all of these seemingly unrelated techniques and occurrences will begin to make sense. With luck this knowledge will eventually avalanche and what is now a mystery will just be second nature to our descendants. Ken > > > <3 Jeff Mash <3 > To email me, remove the "nospam" in the address. > > Need a laugh? Go to http://www.myjokemail.com > > "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical > harm!"