From: "Vmb1" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Visit Heaven/God? Date: 26 Sep 1999 07:57:25 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7slc8l$q4c@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts013d25.sag-mi.concentric.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Hello. This is probably a stupid question, but can you go out of your body to travel to Heaven and visit God? ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Visit Heaven/God? Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Sep 1999 18:10:34 GMT References: <7slc8l$q4c@chronicle.concentric.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990926141034.19800.00001512@ng-ce1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >Hello. This is probably a stupid question, but can you go out of your body >to travel to Heaven and visit God? Vmb1, Im going to take some time to respond to you query because i feel there is so much misconception... especially about God! Poor God, everywhere and nowhere all at the same time! My first thought is; You dont have to leave your body to experience God. And if you are leaving your body, at some point you will put it together that God exists within and without you. When we leave our bodies, many times we experience what we call "vibrations" this is in fact the perception of the spinning of our atomic or molecular structures... we are feeling it. When we feel this enough times we begin to realize that everyThing is spinning at its most deepest level...and between the spinning (that is, between the nucleus and the electrons) there is SPACE. This is very important to recognize. I am not a physicist but i do know that there is a wide gap of space between the electron and the nucleus of an atom. Therefore, and get a grasp on this, WE ARE MOSTLY SPACE. If you look around at the world and try to percieve the Creation with an eye for this you will realize just how Holy and Majestic the Creation and the World are. When you have this realization you will see that the power of God is in fact everywhere.Spinning things into form to be percieved by other things... We are standing in the midst of Heaven, if only we could see it! The Earth is a most wonderful Heaven! Everything we need is magically here, even water falls from the sky, great trees grow from tiny seeds into magnicent forests, and food comes right out of the dirt! Hiow do we think these things are happening? Sure we have divided it all up into subjects of Science but it was all happening before we dared to disect and attempt to decipher it. It would all happen with or with out human presence on this planet. I dont know about anyone else but when vegtables form in my garden i am always amazed at how a tomatoe seed knows how to grow a tomatoe plant and a pepper seed a pepper plant etc.. Where do we think we are?.We are on a ball floatiing and being hurled thru space!! On this world the God has made us Master of all other forms, it is up to us if we add to the creation or deplete and destroy it. God is Everywhere is not just a saying, it is the soul of the Truth. Look around yourself as you walk thru your day and see if you can find anything that could exist without God, without rain, without sun... We are blind most of our lives and it is very difficult to awaken to these facts. Yes and it will change your everyday ideas about how you do things but to see God within the creation will give you more reverance for the world, yourself, the community etc... Once i saw Jesus in a dream, It was the day he was riding into Jeruselem...(Palm Sunday, the first one) I was in the crowd and watched with much interest and awe... When His donkey reached me he slid from its back and approached me. He looked me straight in the eyes, "Do you believe in Heaven?,He asked. I was stunned and stood dumbfounded for a moment but then i realized i was standing in the presence of Jesus... And i knew that wherever He was, He was in Heaven. "Im standing beside you, Lord, I said, "I must Be In Heaven". From the day of this dream i always knew that God has given us the Heaven, and we are its Maintainers. It is up to us whether we make Hell of it or not. This is The Garden, and we are the Gardeners... everythning we do either adds to the Creation or take away from it REMEMBER: There is at least one light in the Universe for which each of us is ultimately responsible, the light of your own soul. With every life, you have a chance to find it. And if you can find it, it wll shine like a beckon, adding more Light to and furthering the Creation. Yes, i have vistited God, daily.. jean galliano ###### From: "sylvain.didelot" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Visit Heaven/God? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:05:13 -0000 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7sljst$56d$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <7slc8l$q4c@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nancy-2-112.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 938365661 5325 164.138.8.112 (26 Sep 1999 17:07:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 17:07:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail that depend of what you are calling heaven, in fact, one théoric law of the OBE experiment is to have capacity to join people who's got the same vibration of you, visit the heaven should be possible but i thinking with the help of a ' angel ' but for god I thinking not exept if your are an angel to ! but never forget that god is in you at each time ! french mulder Vmb1 a écrit dans le message : 7slc8l$q4c@chronicle.concentric.net... > Hello. This is probably a stupid question, but can you go out of your body > to travel to Heaven and visit God? > > ###### From: Gunnar Ljungstrand Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Visit Heaven/God? Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:54:31 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37EE79F7.1B1654CA@algonet.se> References: <7slc8l$q4c@chronicle.concentric.net> <19990926141034.19800.00001512@ng-ce1.aol.com> Reply-To: dervak@algonet.se NNTP-Posting-Host: du177-27.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 938375603 26122 195.100.27.177 (26 Sep 1999 19:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Sep 1999 19:53:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail GALLIANOJ wrote: [snipped in order to be able to post] > Yes, i have vistited God, daily.. > jean galliano Beautiful, Jean. Thanks. See you out there... /Gunnar ###### From: geddiea95@aol.com (G EddieA95) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Visit Heaven/God? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Sep 1999 11:20:50 GMT References: <19990926141034.19800.00001512@ng-ce1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990927072050.20399.00002336@ng-fc1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > We are standing in the midst of Heaven, if only we could see it! The >Earth is a most wonderful Heaven! I agree with you that this world is wonderful, but no place that death exists could possibly be "Heaven."