From: "Silver Blade" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Who needs proof? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:02:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> Reply-To: "Silver Blade" NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-31.orange-shoulder-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 937612942 2160 62.137.49.31 (18 Sep 1999 00:02:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 00:02:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my opinion is this: I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic anyway. I mean, OOBE is simply a definition of the experience. In or out-of body, it doesn't make a difference! The main thing is that THEY EXIST. At the end of our lives, we'll find out WHAT they really are. If there's life after death, and it's like an OOBE, then OOBEs *are* OOBEs. If not, we'd better enjoy them while we can! Basically, my point is, to all those skeptics who say "it's not real, it's all in the mind", WHO CARES? At the end of the day, it's an experience, whether it's real or not, it feels good! I hope others agree with me on this one. -Andrew ###### From: "Reice Sosoe" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Who needs proof? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:24:19 +0100 Organization: BT Adastral Park, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7rvst0$qpq$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.146.128.227 X-Trace: pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk 937653984 27450 132.146.128.227 (18 Sep 1999 11:26:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@axion.bt.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 11:26:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bt !not-for-mail Hi Silver Blade > I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my > opinion is this: > > I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic > anyway. I mean, OOBE is simply a definition of the experience. In or out-of > body, it doesn't make a difference! The main thing is that THEY EXIST. > > At the end of our lives, we'll find out WHAT they really are. If there's > life after death, and it's like an OOBE, then OOBEs *are* OOBEs. If not, > we'd better enjoy them while we can! > > Basically, my point is, to all those skeptics who say "it's not real, it's > all in the mind", WHO CARES? At the end of the day, it's an experience, > whether it's real or not, it feels good! > > I hope others agree with me on this one. > -Andrew > > I couldn't agree more! :) -- Yours, Reice Sosoe --------------------- ICQ# 48763621 E-Mail : reice_sosoe@hotmail.com ###### From: Gareth Whittock Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Who needs proof? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:52:37 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37E3ED85.B2491ABA@dial.pipex.com> References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userbg98.uk.uudial.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 937684241 19476 62.188.142.218 (18 Sep 1999 19:50:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 19:50:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Yes I agree I also have sceptical friends but ultimately our whole lives are subjective. Our senses give us an INTERPRETATION of "reality" and our experiences are further coloured by moods and diposition/personality. Enjoy and learn from your REAL out of body experiences. All the best, Gareth Silver Blade wrote: > > I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my > opinion is this: > > I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic > anyway. I mean, OOBE is simply a definition of the experience. In or out-of > body, it doesn't make a difference! The main thing is that THEY EXIST. > > At the end of our lives, we'll find out WHAT they really are. If there's > life after death, and it's like an OOBE, then OOBEs *are* OOBEs. If not, > we'd better enjoy them while we can! > > Basically, my point is, to all those skeptics who say "it's not real, it's > all in the mind", WHO CARES? At the end of the day, it's an experience, > whether it's real or not, it feels good! > > I hope others agree with me on this one. > -Andrew ###### From: Lan Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Who needs proof? Organization: collection60@hotmail.kom References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0b11 (PPC) X-Face: ('6#W3M0VcTo"48.W9C'HH[]}D;ZATZ;(K~h4&sqcUp(NpxUQKztt93LZ(hMQ fp[:%MK!c2S<7'Ix>7fum|@@+m;v]O}!`+Rg@pmO,1K@=D\|:tUx.1f}#!Jb>$v4!3B7 5y}=X\oO+7!v/`>7$0-n4I>9[D;$BlY)$hw#Yg|f&DLl"r-%v9Hi(-a&$CrP1/*V|6m] ?y"O*bT`sw@nd<_L!l2e>*95Q>&/A6B-)AW-#g/saJ|t/arNjaLt.0di4Fl Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:29:18 +0100 Message-ID: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.63.202 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 937686596 16942 194.112.32.19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail In article <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Silver Blade" wrote: >I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my >opinion is this: > >I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic >anyway. I mean, OOBE is simply a definition of the experience. In or out-of >body, it doesn't make a difference! The main thing is that THEY EXIST. > >At the end of our lives, we'll find out WHAT they really are. If there's >life after death, and it's like an OOBE, then OOBEs *are* OOBEs. If not, >we'd better enjoy them while we can! > >Basically, my point is, to all those skeptics who say "it's not real, it's >all in the mind", WHO CARES? At the end of the day, it's an experience, >whether it's real or not, it feels good! they are real. Its another REALITY. if you noticed, things in this reality exist whether you had anything to do with it or not. You could die and the world would go on unchanged. Same goes for the OOBE realm. Its a reality. -- My website: http://members.tripod.com/LanTheBoy Email: Anti-chaos. ICQ://26027485 |)>Sigh<(| ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Who needs proof? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:13:35 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 62 Message-ID: <7s41n6$8ds@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <37E3ED85.B2491ABA@dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh40-57.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 19 8:13:10 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Andrew and Gareth and anybody else... Life is all in the mind. Without the mind, there would be no physical experience... I find it laughable (maybe sad) that so many humans wish to discredit their existence as conscious beings - simply because their "minds" cannot comprehend "consciousness". The "mind" is a machine. "Consciousness" exists beyond the machine. The "mind" is incapable of acknowledging "consciousness". It just doesn't work that way. Gareth - you are correct. But perhaps you may wish to look at it from the opposite perspective. Awareness is at the top of the ladder. Mind is a body - a machine that awareness limits Itself into. Emotion is a body that the Mind finds separation from other Minds. The Physical is yet another body that the Mind fits into in order to explore the ALL from an individual point of view. Skeptics are best left alone with their situation. It is not your duty to attempt to change their point of view unless they turn to you for greater understanding. Creation is gradually becoming more aware of Itself - your skeptic friends don't have any say in the matter. Bart Gareth Whittock wrote in message <37E3ED85.B2491ABA@dial.pipex.com>... >Yes I agree >I also have sceptical friends but ultimately our whole lives are >subjective. Our senses give us an INTERPRETATION of "reality" and our >experiences are further coloured by moods and diposition/personality. >Enjoy and learn from your REAL out of body experiences. > >All the best, > >Gareth > >Silver Blade wrote: >> >> I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my >> opinion is this: >> >> I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic >> anyway. I mean, OOBE is simply a definition of the experience. In or out-of >> body, it doesn't make a difference! The main thing is that THEY EXIST. >> >> At the end of our lives, we'll find out WHAT they really are. If there's >> life after death, and it's like an OOBE, then OOBEs *are* OOBEs. If not, >> we'd better enjoy them while we can! >> >> Basically, my point is, to all those skeptics who say "it's not real, it's >> all in the mind", WHO CARES? At the end of the day, it's an experience, >> whether it's real or not, it feels good! >> >> I hope others agree with me on this one. >> -Andrew ###### From: pirmoser@pcug.org.au (The SnowBaron) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Who needs proof? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:05:48 GMT Organization: I am very organised, thankyou Reply-To: pirmoser@pcug.org.au References: <37dcf2c3.0@servizi.aznet.it> <7rukqe$23g$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <37E3ED85.B2491ABA@dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts97.pcug.org.au Message-ID: <37e58892.0@newshost.pcug.org.au> Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!newshost.pcug.org.au!ts97.pcug.org.au Gareth Whittock wrote: >Enjoy and learn from your REAL out of body experiences. snips ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The TRUTH'S are different for everybody and everybody has to find their own truth's. What is true on one level is true on all. Our experiences are very personal and most of us do not talk about them, except on a forum such as this. I don't talk about my experiences to my friend or wife. Baraka Bashad, Salaam, Shalom, Namaste, Peace. Frank ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, snips >> I have a friend who also says that OOBEs are all in the mind. However, my >> opinion is this: >> >> I believe that OOBEs are real. And even if they are not, they are fantastic