From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:36:12 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: p58-curassow-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net 937438398 12245 194.168.122.238 (15 Sep 1999 23:33:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1999 23:33:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news3-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail I knew that despite my husbands treatment I was going to lose him while our daughter was still a baby. He died less than 3 weeks after her first birthday of epilepsy, he had just turned 22. I had many dream visits from him afterwards, he showed me visions of stuff that was going to happen in the future all of which came true. He showed me where he was, he took me down a futuristic looking hallway, everything was bright white, floor, ceiling, walls, doors, he could'nt take me into his personal room for some reason, he said it was'nt allowed but he was settling in ok and had made some friends, he said it was a tempory place only but I should'nt worry about him. I had many visits over several years, he was truly earthbound for a while and I helped him to move on, I have no contact with him anymore but I get the feeling he's incarnated again. Donna. Craig Shillington wrote in message <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message>... > > >lovesoutherncalifornia wrote: >> >> In color with all senses alive and vibrant, even as a child. Although, about >> two months ago, I began a dream in color, and my friend, who is deceased, was >> in the dream. He suddenly came forward in full color, and the rest of the >> dream faded to grey, and kept running in the distance behind him. He stepped >> right out of the dream and remained in color while he spoke to me about how he >> was dead, and he laughed (I "told" him I OBE and he said "yeah I know, I've >> seen you") I am taking this to be a contact by him because that is exactly how >> it felt. Has this happened to anyone else? > >Yes, not as dramatic as yours though. Shortly after an uncle of mine >died, I had a dream in which he appeared, looked at me and gave me a >knowing smile, then disappeared again. The feeling I got from him from >that dream was one of happiness, like he was just telling me that he had >moved on and was happy now. :-) That feeling remained within me for >days. :-) > >All the best >Craig >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### Message-ID: <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:37:38 +1000 From: Craig Shillington Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.59 X-Trace: 18 Sep 1999 10:19:24 +1000, 203.87.38.59 Lines: 40 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.59 Hi Donna, > > I knew that despite my husbands treatment I was > going to lose him while our daughter was still a baby. > He died less than 3 weeks after her first birthday of epilepsy, he had just > turned 22. > I had many dream visits from him afterwards, he showed me visions of stuff > that was going to happen in the future all of which came true. > He showed me where he was, he took me down a futuristic looking hallway, > everything was bright white, floor, ceiling, walls, doors, he could'nt take > me into his personal room for some reason, he said it was'nt allowed but he > was settling in ok and had made some friends, he said it was a tempory place > only but I should'nt worry about him. > I had many visits over several years, he was truly earthbound for a while > and I helped him to move on, I have no contact with him anymore but I get > the feeling he's incarnated again. That is so very moving Donna, thank you for sharing that with the group. Do you find that this sort of interaction helped with your mourning over his death, or did you find yourself mourning after you had helped him to move on from his earthbound state of existence? What you have experienced with your husband is one of the main reasons I became so interested in OBE's in the first place, I long to be able to help people move on after they have departed from this physical existence. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:23:07 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 68 Message-ID: <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-230-virgin1.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net 937675484 28825 212.250.195.5 (18 Sep 1999 17:24:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 1999 17:24:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!btnet-feed2!btnet-peer!btnet!news3-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Hi Craig, Yes, I think it did help being able to retain contact with him in that way. He gave me a lot of proof that we exist without a physical body. He needed to move on for his own sake, helping was not a decision I made easily as I liked him being around. He made his presence known physically as well as astrally. One of the first contacts I had with him astrally was over a telephone, his voice was distant and weak and we kept losing the connection but he got stronger very quickly. I knew he was clinging to the earth plane and I was probably responsible for keeping him around, I felt guilty for sending him away, even though I knew it was the right thing to do. I mourned his loss more when he was truly gone, but we knew that we both had to move on. All the best Donna. Craig Shillington wrote in message <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message>... > > >Hi Donna, >> >> I knew that despite my husbands treatment I was >> going to lose him while our daughter was still a baby. >> He died less than 3 weeks after her first birthday of epilepsy, he had just >> turned 22. >> I had many dream visits from him afterwards, he showed me visions of stuff >> that was going to happen in the future all of which came true. >> He showed me where he was, he took me down a futuristic looking hallway, >> everything was bright white, floor, ceiling, walls, doors, he could'nt take >> me into his personal room for some reason, he said it was'nt allowed but he >> was settling in ok and had made some friends, he said it was a tempory place >> only but I should'nt worry about him. >> I had many visits over several years, he was truly earthbound for a while >> and I helped him to move on, I have no contact with him anymore but I get >> the feeling he's incarnated again. > >That is so very moving Donna, thank you for sharing that with the group. >Do you find that this sort of interaction helped with your mourning over >his death, or did you find yourself mourning after you had helped him to >move on from his earthbound state of existence? What you have >experienced with your husband is one of the main reasons I became so >interested in OBE's in the first place, I long to be able to help people >move on after they have departed from this physical existence. > >All the best >Craig > > >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1999091910584175767@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:58:41 +0100 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: J L Williams X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 937735235 12559 194.247.47.23 Lines: 24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail The message <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> from "honey" contains these words: > I knew he was clinging to the earth plane and I was probably responsible for > keeping him around, I felt guilty for sending him away, even though I knew > it was the right thing to do. > I mourned his loss more when he was truly gone, but we knew that we both had > to move on. > All the best > Donna Thank you for posting an uneasy but *lovely* topic. It is something that many of us have yet to experience from our partner's point of view and I am sure your post will help. I do hope that you are able to move on as well as him. I hope that your experience can help me and any others reading this if we have to go through it ourselves. -- Regards Jim Watch and pray, time hastes away! ###### From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:54:08 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Message-ID: <7s2fh0$cft$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <1999091910584175767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35-cuckoo-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 937738592 12797 194.168.59.215 (19 Sep 1999 10:56:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 1999 10:56:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 35 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!news3-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Thanks, I have definitly moved on and I do hope that none of you need to go through this so soon in life as I did but time does heal, as does knowing it does'nt all end there. Thanks for your replies. Donna. J L Williams wrote in message <1999091910584175767@zetnet.co.uk>... >The message <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> > from "honey" contains these words: > > > >> I knew he was clinging to the earth plane and I was probably responsible for >> keeping him around, I felt guilty for sending him away, even though I knew >> it was the right thing to do. >> I mourned his loss more when he was truly gone, but we knew that we both had >> to move on. >> All the best >> Donna > >Thank you for posting an uneasy but *lovely* topic. It is something >that many of us have yet to experience from our partner's point of >view and I am sure your post will help. >I do hope that you are able to move on as well as him. >I hope that your experience can help me and any others reading this >if we have to go through it ourselves. >-- >Regards >Jim >Watch and pray, time hastes away! > ###### From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:16:49 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 104 Message-ID: <7s35sn$n0g$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27-spoonbill-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net 937761495 23568 194.168.74.27 (19 Sep 1999 17:18:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Sep 1999 17:18:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news3-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Craig Shillington wrote in message <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message>... > > >Hi Donna, > >> Yes, I think it did help being able to retain contact with him in that way. >> He gave me a lot of proof that we exist without a physical body. >> He needed to move on for his own sake, helping was not a decision I made >> easily as I liked him being around. > >I can understand how difficult it must have been for you to help him >move on, when you had been presented with such a wonderful experience in >being able to still have that contact with him even after he had >departed this physical life. That would be a decision that I would find >so very hard to make, wanting to still have that contact, knowing that >what you had was extremely precious, yet understanding at the same time >that he needed to move on to be able to continue to grow spiritually. > >> He made his presence known physically as well as astrally. >> One of the first contacts I had with him astrally was over a telephone, his >> voice was distant and weak and we kept losing the connection but he got >> stronger very quickly. > >Did you have a feeling that this was going to happen Donna? I mean, were >you utterly surprised with the first contact you had with him after he >had passed on? Or were you somehow prepared? I can't even begin to >imagine the joy which must have filled your heart with this first >meeting. Did he understand fully what had happened to him at that stage? Despite the fact that people don't often die of epilepsy I had a feeling deep down that it would happen, I lived very much on my nerves and suffered severe panic attacks as a result, during this time I was drawn to a sign near where I lived that said spiritualist church, I had never heard of that but was compelled to go inside and ask what it was all about, I found that it was something that shared my own deep rooted beliefs and began to attend the open circle evenings. My own abilities developed 10 fold. I had been staying at my mums when he died (she was sick ) he died on a Wednesday morning and I had last seen him on the Sunday, On the Saturday evening I said to myself that if I never saw him again at least this time together would have been perfect. When the phone call came on the wednesday I was hysterical as soon as my mum picked it up, I just knew he was gone, I was not in the least suprised by all the contact we had after because I already believed in such things, but I was elated that it all happened so soon. I seem to remember that he was'nt fully aware for a while that he was physically gone, he would seem to follow my daily activities when our daughter started school a couple of years later he would come by to see what she had done that day, I would show him her drawings and discuss life in general with him, he would let me know when he was unhappy or happy about stuff. He did seem confused for the first 6 or 8 months after he died, he was'nt very happy. For 3 weeks the air in my living room was so thick you could see and feel it, people would come to visit and I would tell them to go in there and tell me what they noticed and they were all amazed by this phenomena. Well he died in 1986, a long time ago now. He was wrong about one thing though, as a kid I had some nasty indian ink tattoos on my arms and was waiting to have them removed before he died, he said I would regret the scars and they would look worse than the tattoos, I had them removed after he died and I was in the living room when he appeared, cross legged in the air floating by the window, he started to give me the, told you so lecture and was a little upset that i'd gone ahead and had it done, I told him I was glad i'd done it and the scars were definitly preferable to me. Ok he said, well I did say i'd have something to say about it if you done it, if your happy that's fine with me. > >> I knew he was clinging to the earth plane and I was probably responsible for >> keeping him around, I felt guilty for sending him away, even though I knew >> it was the right thing to do. >> I mourned his loss more when he was truly gone, but we knew that we both had >> to move on. > >I'm sure you know in your heart that one day you will be able to see him >again. :-) You have been truly blessed Donna, hold those experiences >close to you. Thankyou Donna. > >All the best >Craig > >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### Message-ID: <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:53:13 +1000 From: Craig Shillington Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.26 X-Trace: 19 Sep 1999 23:36:31 +1000, 203.87.38.26 Lines: 50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsgate.tandem.com!uunet!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.26 Hi Donna, > Yes, I think it did help being able to retain contact with him in that way. > He gave me a lot of proof that we exist without a physical body. > He needed to move on for his own sake, helping was not a decision I made > easily as I liked him being around. I can understand how difficult it must have been for you to help him move on, when you had been presented with such a wonderful experience in being able to still have that contact with him even after he had departed this physical life. That would be a decision that I would find so very hard to make, wanting to still have that contact, knowing that what you had was extremely precious, yet understanding at the same time that he needed to move on to be able to continue to grow spiritually. > He made his presence known physically as well as astrally. > One of the first contacts I had with him astrally was over a telephone, his > voice was distant and weak and we kept losing the connection but he got > stronger very quickly. Did you have a feeling that this was going to happen Donna? I mean, were you utterly surprised with the first contact you had with him after he had passed on? Or were you somehow prepared? I can't even begin to imagine the joy which must have filled your heart with this first meeting. Did he understand fully what had happened to him at that stage? > I knew he was clinging to the earth plane and I was probably responsible for > keeping him around, I felt guilty for sending him away, even though I knew > it was the right thing to do. > I mourned his loss more when he was truly gone, but we knew that we both had > to move on. I'm sure you know in your heart that one day you will be able to see him again. :-) You have been truly blessed Donna, hold those experiences close to you. All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### Message-ID: <37E7E823.1E90A7B3@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:18:43 +1000 From: Craig Shillington Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> <7s35sn$n0g$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.78 X-Trace: 22 Sep 1999 08:13:56 +1000, 203.87.38.78 Lines: 86 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!lax.uu.net!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.78 Hi Donna. > >Did you have a feeling that this was going to happen Donna? I mean, were > >you utterly surprised with the first contact you had with him after he > >had passed on? Or were you somehow prepared? I can't even begin to > >imagine the joy which must have filled your heart with this first > >meeting. Did he understand fully what had happened to him at that stage? > > Despite the fact that people don't often die of epilepsy I had a feeling > deep down that it would happen, I lived very much on my nerves and suffered > severe panic attacks as a result, during this time I was drawn to a sign > near where I lived that said spiritualist church, I had never heard of that > but was compelled to go inside and ask what it was all about, I found that > it was something that shared my own deep rooted beliefs and began to attend > the open circle evenings. > My own abilities developed 10 fold. Sometimes I believe that things happen for a reason. The reasons don't always fit in with what we want, but they still happen all the same. It seemed that you were preparing yourself well in advance. This made you a stronger person in preparation for what you were going through at the time and what was yet to come. How often we find what we are looking for, that inner strength (most of the time), right when we need it most. > I had been staying at my mums when he died (she was sick ) he died on a > Wednesday morning and I had last seen him on the Sunday, On the Saturday > evening I said to myself that if I never saw him again at least this time > together would have been perfect. :*) > When the phone call came on the wednesday I was hysterical as soon as my mum > picked it up, I just knew he was gone, I was not in the least suprised by > all the contact we had after because I already believed in such things, but > I was elated that it all happened so soon. > I seem to remember that he was'nt fully aware for a while that he was > physically gone, he would seem to follow my daily activities when our > daughter started school a couple of years later he would come by to see what > she had done that day, I would show him her drawings and discuss life in > general with him, he would let me know when he was unhappy or happy about > stuff. > He did seem confused for the first 6 or 8 months after he died, he was'nt > very happy. Was he mostly unhappy that his physical life was now gone? That he couldn't share that with you and your daughter the way he did? > For 3 weeks the air in my living room was so thick you could see and feel > it, people would come to visit and I would tell them to go in there and tell > me what they noticed and they were all amazed by this phenomena. > Well he died in 1986, a long time ago now. > He was wrong about one thing though, as a kid I had some nasty indian ink > tattoos on my arms and was waiting to have them removed before he died, he > said I would regret the scars and they would look worse than the tattoos, I > had them removed after he died and I was in the living room when he > appeared, cross legged in the air floating by the window, he started to give > me the, told you so lecture and was a little upset that i'd gone ahead and > had it done, I told him I was glad i'd done it and the scars were definitly > preferable to me. Hmmmm, sounds so much like you two actually continued on a happy *normal* life together for a little while after his death. :-) What was it that finally made you both understand that he would have to move on Donna? If I were in that situation I would never want it to end. That must have been an awfully painful decision for you to make. :-( All the best Craig -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:45:57 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 113 Message-ID: <7satm3$nmb$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> <7s35sn$n0g$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E7E823.1E90A7B3@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16-cuckoo-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net 938015235 24267 194.168.59.196 (22 Sep 1999 15:47:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Sep 1999 15:47:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Craig Shillington wrote in message <37E7E823.1E90A7B3@the.end.of.the.message>... >Hi Craig, > >>Sometimes I believe that things happen for a reason. The reasons don't >always fit in with what we want, but they still happen all the same. It >seemed that you were preparing yourself well in advance. This made you a >stronger person in preparation for what you were going through at the >time and what was yet to come. How often we find what we are looking >for, that inner strength (most of the time), right when we need it most. > This is very true, I have alway's believed everything happens for a reason, even what appears to be the worst situation has something positive within. It certainly made me a much stronger person having been through this experience. >> I had been staying at my mums when he died (she was sick ) he died on a >> Wednesday morning and I had last seen him on the Sunday, On the Saturday >> evening I said to myself that if I never saw him again at least this time >> together would have been perfect. > >:*) > >> When the phone call came on the wednesday I was hysterical as soon as my mum >> picked it up, I just knew he was gone, I was not in the least suprised by >> all the contact we had after because I already believed in such things, but >> I was elated that it all happened so soon. >> I seem to remember that he was'nt fully aware for a while that he was >> physically gone, he would seem to follow my daily activities when our >> daughter started school a couple of years later he would come by to see what >> she had done that day, I would show him her drawings and discuss life in >> general with him, he would let me know when he was unhappy or happy about >> stuff. >> He did seem confused for the first 6 or 8 months after he died, he was'nt >> very happy. > >Was he mostly unhappy that his physical life was now gone? That he >couldn't share that with you and your daughter the way he did? > He was in shock for a while, he went over very suddenly, we had often talked in life about, what if he died, he used to joke about coming back to haunt me and I told him that I did'nt want to wake up in the middle of the night to find him sitting on the end of my bed as that would scare me, I told him, anything but that. He did miss being here but I think it was hard for him to let go while I was sad and it was easier to stay close to what he knew. >> For 3 weeks the air in my living room was so thick you could see and feel >> it, people would come to visit and I would tell them to go in there and tell >> me what they noticed and they were all amazed by this phenomena. >> Well he died in 1986, a long time ago now. >> He was wrong about one thing though, as a kid I had some nasty indian ink >> tattoos on my arms and was waiting to have them removed before he died, he >> said I would regret the scars and they would look worse than the tattoos, I >> had them removed after he died and I was in the living room when he >> appeared, cross legged in the air floating by the window, he started to give >> me the, told you so lecture and was a little upset that i'd gone ahead and >> had it done, I told him I was glad i'd done it and the scars were definitly >> preferable to me. > >Hmmmm, sounds so much like you two actually continued on a happy >*normal* life together for a little while after his death. :-) > It felt very much like that, I would talk about him as if he were still here as he was, just not in the way that many others were able to comprehend. > > >What was it that finally made you both understand that he would have to >move on Donna? If I were in that situation I would never want it to end. >That must have been an awfully painful decision for you to make. :-( > I just knew, I can't explain it, we discussed it, he seemed to know that he had to move on too, he said he would'nt be able to see me so often when he did, he did'nt want to go, I prayed for him and I spiritually cleansed my home. Then there started to be very long gaps between visits, months at a time, he would just let me know he was around and then he just stopped completely a couple of years ago. I sometimes regretted it as I liked knowing he was there, but I know I did the right thing. All the best Donna. >All the best >Craig > > >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > > ###### Message-ID: <37EAC030.954ABDB1@the.end.of.the.message> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:05:04 +1000 From: Craig Shillington Organization: Deja Vous X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> <7s35sn$n0g$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E7E823.1E90A7B3@the.end.of.the.message> <7satm3$nmb$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.87.38.86 X-Trace: 24 Sep 1999 12:16:20 +1000, 203.87.38.86 Lines: 107 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!uunet!pao.uu.net!nap-ns1!203.87.38.86 Hi Donna, > >>Sometimes I believe that things happen for a reason. The reasons don't > >always fit in with what we want, but they still happen all the same. It > >seemed that you were preparing yourself well in advance. This made you a > >stronger person in preparation for what you were going through at the > >time and what was yet to come. How often we find what we are looking > >for, that inner strength (most of the time), right when we need it most. > > > This is very true, I have alway's believed everything happens for a reason, > even what appears to be the worst situation has something positive within. > It certainly made me a much stronger person having been through this > experience. Yes, indeed. IMO, this is what makes us stronger, the ability to be able to see the positive aspects in even seemingly overwhelmingly negative situations. The ability to be able to climb back up out of any pit we fall in, always finding someway to climb out, rather than sitting in the bottom of it, not trying. Even if we slip back down on the way out, we don't give up, we keep trying. I think this reflects a lot in peoples abilities in attempting to continue with OBE's. Some people tend to try but get frustrated so easily and basically just give up. It's easy to do, so much harder (and character building) when you seem to take two steps forward and one back, most of the time, but persist. :-) > >Was he mostly unhappy that his physical life was now gone? That he > >couldn't share that with you and your daughter the way he did? > > > > He was in shock for a while, he went over very suddenly, we had often talked > in life about, what if he died, he used to joke about coming back to haunt > me and I told him that I did'nt want to wake up in the middle of the night > to find him sitting on the end of my bed as that would scare me, I told him, > anything but that. > He did miss being here but I think it was hard for him to let go while I was > sad and it was easier to stay close to what he knew. > > >> For 3 weeks the air in my living room was so thick you could see and feel > >> it, people would come to visit and I would tell them to go in there and > tell > >> me what they noticed and they were all amazed by this phenomena. > >> Well he died in 1986, a long time ago now. > >> He was wrong about one thing though, as a kid I had some nasty indian ink > >> tattoos on my arms and was waiting to have them removed before he died, > he > >> said I would regret the scars and they would look worse than the tattoos, > I > >> had them removed after he died and I was in the living room when he > >> appeared, cross legged in the air floating by the window, he started to > give > >> me the, told you so lecture and was a little upset that i'd gone ahead > and > >> had it done, I told him I was glad i'd done it and the scars were > definitly > >> preferable to me. > > > >Hmmmm, sounds so much like you two actually continued on a happy > >*normal* life together for a little while after his death. :-) > > > > It felt very much like that, I would talk about him as if he were still here > as he was, just not in the way that many others were able to comprehend. > > > > > >What was it that finally made you both understand that he would have to > >move on Donna? If I were in that situation I would never want it to end. > >That must have been an awfully painful decision for you to make. :-( > > > > I just knew, I can't explain it, we discussed it, he seemed to know that he > had to move on too, he said he would'nt be able to see me so often when he > did, he did'nt want to go, I prayed for him and I spiritually cleansed my > home. > Then there started to be very long gaps between visits, months at a time, he > would just let me know he was around and then he just stopped completely a > couple of years ago. > I sometimes regretted it as I liked knowing he was there, but I know I did > the right thing. Have you got diary entries of all the experiences that you two have shared Donna? I really feel that other people who are going through something similar to what you have could learn from your experiences. Even those of us who could never understand just how it must have been for you to go through something like this could learn so much! I hope, if you don't find the exchange too personal, that you could share some of your experiences with the group from time to time when you feel it would be relevant. :-) Thank you for being so open about discussing this very personal issue Donna, very much appreciated by myself. All the best Craig. -- The sure way to make a thing impossible- -is to think it so. --- Franklin To respond, delete _nospam_ scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au -- ###### From: "honey" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: COLOR OR B&W???? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:21:27 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 150 Message-ID: <7sh4lu$2hb$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <9231-37D2E10E-74@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990907160514.27480.00005625@ng-bh1.aol.com> <37D8233C.1E09CEAE@the.end.of.the.message> <7rpabu$bul$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E2B4A2.D0CAD75B@the.end.of.the.message> <7s0hss$s4p$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E4B289.1F2540FA@the.end.of.the.message> <7s35sn$n0g$1@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net> <37E7E823.1E90A7B3@the.end.of.the.message> <7satm3$nmb$1@nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net> <37EAC030.954ABDB1@the.end.of.the.message> NNTP-Posting-Host: p02-rhea-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient13-gui.server.virgin.net 938219006 2603 194.168.72.122 (25 Sep 1999 00:23:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 1999 00:23:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail Craig Shillington wrote in message <37EAC030.954ABDB1@the.end.of.the.message>... > > >Hi Donna, > >> >>Sometimes I believe that things happen for a reason. The reasons don't >> >always fit in with what we want, but they still happen all the same. It >> >seemed that you were preparing yourself well in advance. This made you a >> >stronger person in preparation for what you were going through at the >> >time and what was yet to come. How often we find what we are looking >> >for, that inner strength (most of the time), right when we need it most. >> > >> This is very true, I have alway's believed everything happens for a reason, >> even what appears to be the worst situation has something positive within. >> It certainly made me a much stronger person having been through this >> experience. > >Yes, indeed. IMO, this is what makes us stronger, the ability to be able >to see the positive aspects in even seemingly overwhelmingly negative >situations. The ability to be able to climb back up out of any pit we >fall in, always finding someway to climb out, rather than sitting in the >bottom of it, not trying. Even if we slip back down on the way out, we >don't give up, we keep trying. I think this reflects a lot in peoples >abilities in attempting to continue with OBE's. Some people tend to try >but get frustrated so easily and basically just give up. It's easy to >do, so much harder (and character building) when you seem to take two >steps forward and one back, most of the time, but persist. :-) > I like nothing better than to embrace each negative moment and find the hidden light within. It is so much better not to have to fear. It has taken a lot of big dark hole escaping to reach this state of awareness. > >> >Was he mostly unhappy that his physical life was now gone? That he >> >couldn't share that with you and your daughter the way he did? >> > >> >> He was in shock for a while, he went over very suddenly, we had often talked >> in life about, what if he died, he used to joke about coming back to haunt >> me and I told him that I did'nt want to wake up in the middle of the night >> to find him sitting on the end of my bed as that would scare me, I told him, >> anything but that. >> He did miss being here but I think it was hard for him to let go while I was >> sad and it was easier to stay close to what he knew. >> >> >> For 3 weeks the air in my living room was so thick you could see and feel >> >> it, people would come to visit and I would tell them to go in there and >> tell >> >> me what they noticed and they were all amazed by this phenomena. >> >> Well he died in 1986, a long time ago now. >> >> He was wrong about one thing though, as a kid I had some nasty indian ink >> >> tattoos on my arms and was waiting to have them removed before he died, >> he >> >> said I would regret the scars and they would look worse than the tattoos, >> I >> >> had them removed after he died and I was in the living room when he >> >> appeared, cross legged in the air floating by the window, he started to >> give >> >> me the, told you so lecture and was a little upset that i'd gone ahead >> and >> >> had it done, I told him I was glad i'd done it and the scars were >> definitly >> >> preferable to me. >> > >> >Hmmmm, sounds so much like you two actually continued on a happy >> >*normal* life together for a little while after his death. :-) >> > >> >> It felt very much like that, I would talk about him as if he were still here >> as he was, just not in the way that many others were able to comprehend. >> > >> > >> >What was it that finally made you both understand that he would have to >> >move on Donna? If I were in that situation I would never want it to end. >> >That must have been an awfully painful decision for you to make. :-( >> > >> >> I just knew, I can't explain it, we discussed it, he seemed to know that he >> had to move on too, he said he would'nt be able to see me so often when he >> did, he did'nt want to go, I prayed for him and I spiritually cleansed my >> home. >> Then there started to be very long gaps between visits, months at a time, he >> would just let me know he was around and then he just stopped completely a >> couple of years ago. >> I sometimes regretted it as I liked knowing he was there, but I know I did >> the right thing. > >Have you got diary entries of all the experiences that you two have >shared Donna? I really feel that other people who are going through >something similar to what you have could learn from your experiences. >Even those of us who could never understand just how it must have been >for you to go through something like this could learn so much! I hope, >if you don't find the exchange too personal, that you could share some >of your experiences with the group from time to time when you feel it >would be relevant. :-) Yeah sure, I'll share what I can. I don't have everything recorded, though I probably have some written notes from dreams. I have the vivid memories of it all, like it was only yesterday. Take care Donna. > >Thank you for being so open about discussing this very personal issue >Donna, very much appreciated by myself. > >All the best >Craig. > >-- >The sure way to make a thing impossible- > -is to think it so. --- Franklin > >To respond, delete _nospam_ >scrappy@_nospam_netconnect.com.au >-- > >