From: mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Blackholes? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1999 06:40:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990623024048.27702.00001172@ngol08.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Can we get hurt flying into blackholes? ###### From: "Emile Joubert" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:06:15 +0100 Organization: AT&T Communications Services Nederland B.V. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7kqt9l$r09$1@newsfeed1.att.nl> References: <19990623024048.27702.00001172@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.33.23.73 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!newsfeed1.att.nl!not-for-mail MHABON wrote in message <19990623024048.27702.00001172@ngol08.aol.com>... >Can we get hurt flying into blackholes? How about stars? what would happen if you tried to visit a site of extreme radiation like the sun? I would imagine that your dreambody would get blown away if you tried to get close. Black holes will cause a big woooosh and you will pop out somewhere in a nearby galaxy on a planet with walking vegetables and talking fish! -Emile ###### From: mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jun 1999 19:34:11 GMT References: <7kqt9l$r09$1@newsfeed1.att.nl> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990623153411.05313.00001559@ngol02.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <7kqt9l$r09$1@newsfeed1.att.nl>, "Emile Joubert" writes: > > >How about stars? what would happen if you tried >to visit a site of extreme radiation like the sun? > >I would imagine that your dreambody would get >blown away if you tried to get close. > >Black holes will cause a big woooosh and you will >pop out somewhere in a nearby galaxy on a planet >with walking vegetables and talking fish! > > > >-Emile > LOL. Yeah. Someone told me that her friend died astally and physically when her friend went to some military installations. I guess it wouldn't be good to be near radiation... ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Date: 24 Jun 1999 23:59:14 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 25 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7kqt9l$r09$1@newsfeed1.att.nl> <19990623153411.05313.00001559@ngol02.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) writes: > > I guess it wouldn't be good to be > near radiation... No problem. Joe McMoneagle actually one remote viewed the ignition of the Trinity nuclear bomb test (not knowing what the target site was). All of a sudden he felt himself being shifted fastly. After stopping he saw the mushroom clowd. Then at debriefing, after drawing what he had seen (it mached the bombs internal mechanisms) he was told what he had visited. An other visit to an nuclear powerstation being started the first time produced the same effect. Both stories can be found in his book Mind Treck. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Wizzard and Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Computer: toy that speeds work, so you have more time to play with it ###### From: mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jun 1999 01:20:59 GMT References: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990624212059.27463.00001956@ngol03.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin writes: >> >> I guess it wouldn't be good to be >> near radiation... > >No problem. Joe McMoneagle actually one remote viewed the ignition of >the Trinity nuclear bomb test (not knowing what the target site was). > >All of a sudden he felt himself being shifted fastly. After stopping >he saw the mushroom clowd. > >Then at debriefing, after drawing what he had seen (it mached the >bombs internal mechanisms) he was told what he had visited. > >An other visit to an nuclear powerstation being started the first time >produced the same effect. > > >Both stories can be found in his book Mind Treck. > > Interesting. I don't know if it would be appropriate, but how do you keep your self from having an OBE when trying to Remote View? L8R. ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:05:00 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <19990624212059.27463.00001956@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby23.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 25 Jun 1999 01:20:59 GMT, mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) wrote: >In article <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin > writes: < snip > >Interesting. I don't know if it would be appropriate, but how do you keep your >self from having an OBE when trying to Remote View? L8R. Keep your physical eyes open. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:43:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990628174337.05316.00002515@ngol02.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!europa.netcrusader.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail In article , johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) writes: > >On 25 Jun 1999 01:20:59 GMT, mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) wrote: > >>In article <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin >> writes: > >< snip > > >>Interesting. I don't know if it would be appropriate, but how do you keep >your >>self from having an OBE when trying to Remote View? L8R. > >Keep your physical eyes open. > >Regards, John. R U kidding, or do u really mean it? What about blinking? ###### NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1999062911472575767@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:47:25 +0100 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: J L Williams X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Subject: Re: Blackholes? References: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <19990624212059.27463.00001956@ngol03.aol.com> X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 930653690 161 194.247.47.23 Lines: 36 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail The message from johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words: > On 25 Jun 1999 01:20:59 GMT, mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) wrote: > >In article <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin > > writes: > > < snip > > >Interesting. I don't know if it would be appropriate, but how do you keep your > >self from having an OBE when trying to Remote View? L8R. > Keep your physical eyes open. Mmmmm.....well the times that I have tried to RV I have always closed my eyes......well nobody said different!!! Is that what I was doing wrong? ;-) Regards Jim Watch and pray, time hastes away. > Regards, John. > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:54:40 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <19990624212059.27463.00001956@ngol03.aol.com> <1999062911472575767@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby8.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:47:25 +0100, J L Williams wrote: >The message > from johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words: Hi Jim, < snip > >> >Interesting. I don't know if it would be appropriate, but how do you keep your >> >self from having an OBE when trying to Remote View? L8R. >> Keep your physical eyes open. >Mmmmm.....well the times that I have tried to RV I have always closed >my eyes......well nobody said different!!! Is that what I was doing wrong? ;-) Wrong ? Well, it all depends on what you were hoping to achieve. Having one's physical eyes closed increases the possibility of one going OOB, remote viewing, or both. If you were ONLY wanting the second option then my suggestion remains. One can also get the assistance of one's spirit guides/helpers in doing this as well. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Blackholes? Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:54:40 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9vB7NyIpNaI=FVZiDvfLTxki2Xo@4ax.com> References: <19990628174337.05316.00002515@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby8.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On 28 Jun 1999 21:43:37 GMT, mhabon@aol.com (MHABON) wrote: < snip > >What about blinking? "Normal" blinking shouldn't be a problem, as the duration of "eyes closed" compared to "eyes open" would be short, and a relatively small percentage of the whole. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003900.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1999070200521775767@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:52:17 +0100 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body From: J L Williams X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003900 Subject: Re: Blackholes? References: <6uemj1p8el.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <19990624212059.27463.00001956@ngol03.aol.com> <1999062911472575767@zetnet.co.uk> Lines: 58 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 930908057 161 194.247.47.23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail The message from johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) contains these words: > >> Keep your physical eyes open. > >Mmmmm.....well the times that I have tried to RV I have always closed > >my eyes......well nobody said different!!! Is that what I was doing wrong? ;-) > Wrong ? Well, it all depends on what you were hoping to achieve. When RV'ing I am hoping to see the targets situation/homestead and be able to relate it in a way that will reflect that persons perception of his/her place. > Having one's physical eyes closed increases the possibility of one > going OOB, remote viewing, or both. When trying to RV (I have always shut my eyes.......isn't ignorance bliss ;-)) my perception has always been from viewing at close quarters. That is that I was viewing it as if I was there but without the freedom of consciousness that an OBE allows. In each case that I have tried, with some reportable results (by that I mean I had a significant experience worthy of the groups attention) it was as if I was there but with restrictions on my vision to my immediate right. I could not scan to the right. I could not see to the right. Something held my head straight ahead. Also, the first attempt was a blue/white fractal based picture, the second an orange/white picture with a black/white final picture, and the last was in green and red fractal based picture. > If you were ONLY wanting the > second option then my suggestion remains. One can also get the > assistance of one's spirit guides/helpers in doing this as well. :-) I will have to try again and see what happens with my eyes open. I have asked for assitance from my guides but they are not showing their hands yet even if they are helping me. Regards Jim Watch and pray, time hastes away. > Regards, John. > > **************************************************** > ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. > / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 > \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm > v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ >