From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:26:08 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip060.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 929651283 1791 195.191.80.60 (17 Jun 1999 20:28:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1999 20:28:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.caspur.it!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Hi all folks! I'm from Italy. I'm not new to this newsgroup. I read for the first time about Obe in september 1998, then I tried to have my own experiences in astral projection. After two months of practice I reached some result. I had health problems in the next months and I wasn't able to have any experience since then. My question is: is it possible that something happened during my Obes causing this loss of energy that I feel all over my body? Is it possible that I don't remember such a scaring experience? All I remember is the separation from my body during the night and a great feeling of scare. I 'm not depressed or stressed but I feel very tired and have a terrible pain in the left side of my body !! Many specialists visited me since then but they didn't find any plausible cause to the pain. A psychologist told me that I've no particular problem. Personally I think that my health conditions are not related to the Obe so I'm still searching the origin of my bad conditions. I'd like to know what you think about this and if some of you have ever had similar problems. MOKA ###### From: Richard Probst Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:45:49 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 25 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <37697A9D.39C6@airmail.net> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> Reply-To: richp123@airmail.net Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Jun 17 17:45:54 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !YaQ=1k-Wce$tp# (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. On the negative side, I'm experiencing physical weakness. When I first started about two years ago, I would be so weak that I couldn't walk down a flight of stairs (and I'm in my twenties and in good health). However, that has improved quite a bit since then. There's also been problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard about what day it is. I often feel like I'm not completely here, if that makes sense. OK, enough complaining. On the plus side, my dream recall has increased dramatically. I used to be the kind of person that would remember two or three dreams a year. Now, I remember two or three A DAY! This alone has amazed me to no end. Dreams are also much more vivid; I somehow seem more conscious of my physical life in them. I have better creative abilities, too. Complex problems are easier for me to tackle. I'm not a hundred percent sure that these symptoms are a result of OBE's, but the coincidence seems too much. They started immediately after I began projecting. But, I find that doing something physical, like going for a walk or jog, helps quite a bit. I don't feel afraid to try OBE's as a result of these problems. Like I said earlier, things are getting better, and the good side-effects outweigh the bad. ###### From: hg7491 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:09:57 +0200 Organization: University of Giessen, Germany Lines: 13 Message-ID: <376AA795.7784EAEB@mni.fh-giessen.de> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-80.hrz.uni-giessen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de To: MOKA Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!c4.hrz.uni-giessen.de!usenet Hi MOKA, I have not much experience in oobe but it sounds to me like you have activated energy in your body that causes pain. Maybe the book "Tao Yoga" written by Mantak Chia can be helpful. There you find detailed descriptions about how to handle the energy. I strongly recommend to stop all things that have to do with oobe, meditation etc. (at least for a while) I hope that helps you a bit further. Norbert ###### From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:36:15 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7kee9a$ng8$1@news.flashnet.it> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip035.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 929741930 24072 195.191.80.35 (18 Jun 1999 21:38:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:38:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.caspur.it!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Hi Richard. >I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have >experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. >There's also been >problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have >also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard >about what day it is. It's the same for me! >On the plus side, my dream recall has increased >dramatically. I used to be the kind of person that would remember two >or three dreams a year. Now, I remember two or three A DAY! This alone >has amazed me to no end. Dreams are also much more vivid; I somehow >seem more conscious of my physical life in them... The strange thing is that my dreams are much more vivid and so I can notice all the incongruences into them; I often say in my dreams : This is really impossible!! This was enough to become lucid 5 months ago but now it is impossible 'couse I continue to perceive me as in the real life and not in a dream. MOKA. ###### From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:38:31 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7keec6$nhh$1@news.flashnet.it> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376AA795.7784EAEB@mni.fh-giessen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip035.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 929742022 24113 195.191.80.35 (18 Jun 1999 21:40:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:40:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.caspur.it!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Thanks for your advice Norbert. Moka. ###### From: Ricardo Ragaz Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:42:25 +0200 Organization: Swisscom IP+ (post doesn't reflect views of Swisscom) Lines: 79 Message-ID: <376ABD40.744A49BC@pop.agri.ch> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.28.159.185 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pollux.ip-plus.net 929742155 14456 212.28.159.185 (18 Jun 1999 21:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ip-plus.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:42:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!not-for-mail MOKA wrote: > Hi all folks! > > I'm from Italy. > I'm not new to this newsgroup. I read for the first time about Obe in > september 1998, then I tried to have my own experiences in astral > projection. After two months of practice I reached some result. > I had health problems in the next months and I wasn't able to have > any > experience since then. > > My question is: is it possible that something happened during my Obes > causing this loss of energy that I feel all over my body? > Is it possible that I don't remember such a scaring experience? > All I remember is the separation from my body during the night and a > great > feeling of scare. > I 'm not depressed or stressed but I feel very tired and have a > terrible > pain in the left side of my body !! > Many specialists visited me since then but they didn't find any > plausible > cause to the pain. A psychologist told me that I've no particular > problem. > Personally I think that my health conditions are not related to the > Obe so > I'm still searching the origin of my bad conditions. > I'd like to know what you think about this and if some of you have > ever had > similar problems. > > MOKA Hello MOKA I read with interest your problem and I made similar experiences. I think that this is a phenomenon that happens, when one goes out of the normal reality level up to a much much higher level and gets contact to very high or strong energies, which one doens't know about. To me it happened at times, that I got much more energy on all levels when I came back into my body, but other times I felt also much weaker when I was back in my body, so that it really depends what beings or energy-sources you contact while you are out of the body. It is also so that your body can have had bad experiences in the past with the person leaving the body, which happend every time when one had a big accident or when the body was left in an earlier death. Because these incidents are very heavy it is possible, that the body pulls in some earlier bad incidents and so hinders one in the future to leave or get out of him very easily. So the fealing of fear or the big pain feelings are basically just a stimulation in the present time of past bad and heavy incidents, which the body or the person is afraid it would happen again. One solution for this is, to find out in ones past or in the bodys past incidents, which where heavy and connected with pain and fear and discharge them mentally, and then your energy should come back. Very often the big pain comes from the inabilty of the person to really reenter his body and take again full control of him and so is somehow stuck outside the body. The solution of this is to find incidents where you or your body had problems to get out of somewhere or to get back into some place, or thing. Doing this for a while should discharge these energies and allow you to get back fully into your body again and also having the ability to leave him again without back repercussions. In daily life you could handle or get a betterment by getting more connected to the physical universe, by doing sports, manual work etc.this should help you to get better back to the physical universe and into your body. There is a lot more to say about this, but I leave it for the moment and hope you can get a betterment of your problems with my suggestions. love Ricardo ###### From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 23:43:40 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7keelr$nkh$1@news.flashnet.it> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376AA795.7784EAEB@mni.fh-giessen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip035.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 929742331 24209 195.191.80.35 (18 Jun 1999 21:45:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:45:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.caspur.it!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Thanks for your advice Norbert. MOKA ###### From: Claire Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:46:35 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <929796395.470.41@news.remarQ.com> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.85.229.27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:46:35 GMT X-Trace: 929796395.470.41 XYIU5UYJDE51BC655C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail Richard Probst wrote: >I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have >experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. > >On the negative side, I'm experiencing physical weakness. When I first >started about two years ago, I would be so weak that I couldn't walk >down a flight of stairs (and I'm in my twenties and in good health). >However, that has improved quite a bit since then. There's also been >problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have >also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard >about what day it is. I often feel like I'm not completely here, if >that makes sense. > >OK, enough complaining. On the plus side, my dream recall has increased >dramatically. I used to be the kind of person that would remember two >or three dreams a year. Now, I remember two or three A DAY! This alone >has amazed me to no end. Dreams are also much more vivid; I somehow >seem more conscious of my physical life in them. I have better creative >abilities, too. Complex problems are easier for me to tackle. > >I'm not a hundred percent sure that these symptoms are a result of >OBE's, but the coincidence seems too much. They started immediately >after I began projecting. But, I find that doing something physical, >like going for a walk or jog, helps quite a bit. I don't feel afraid to >try OBE's as a result of these problems. Like I said earlier, things >are getting better, and the good side-effects outweigh the bad. Richard Probst wrote: >I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have >experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. > >On the negative side, I'm experiencing physical weakness. When I first >started about two years ago, I would be so weak that I couldn't walk >down a flight of stairs (and I'm in my twenties and in good health). >However, that has improved quite a bit since then. There's also been >problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have >also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard >about what day it is. I often feel like I'm not completely here, if >that makes sense. Yes, it does. You are not grounding yourself or closing up psychically after your experiences. You really are still not fully back. > >> >I'm not a hundred percent sure that these symptoms are a result of >OBE's, but the coincidence seems too much. They started immediately >after I began projecting. But, I find that doing something physical, >like going for a walk or jog, helps quite a bit. I don't feel afraid to >try OBE's as a result of these problems. Like I said earlier, things >are getting better, and the good side-effects outweigh the bad. The reason the physcial exercise works is that it grounds you. You need to earth your energies. What you are experiencing is a imbalance in the chakras, in that your higher chakras are used to OOB, and when you come back you fail to shut down properly. Your lower, earth chakra is not pulling the energy down and "grounding you" here, so you leak energy, you lose concentration, and you feel floaty sometimes. Visualized energy coming down your head, down your spinal cord, down to the earth chakra which is near your coccyx and rooting you into the earth through your legs. That should ground you. You should probably learn to close down the overactive chakra as well but you would need to know which one you are using to get out. Most likely the third eye chakra but I've been pulled out from my chest at times. You might consider doing some polarity therapy work to help you similate some of the feelings you are having during a session and learning how to properly balance the energy and shut down. Although, each praticioner is different, but I know I could help you with this, I am just not certified yet. And this is just my opinion anyway from different areas of learning I've picked up. Hope it's helpful. Claire ###### From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:46:20 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7kge3t$3s6$1@news.flashnet.it> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376ABD40.744A49BC@pop.agri.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip151.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 929807293 3974 195.191.80.151 (19 Jun 1999 15:48:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 1999 15:48:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!news.caspur.it!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Ricardo Ragaz wrote in his message <376ABD40.744A49BC@pop.agri.ch>... >So the fealing of fear or the big pain feelings are basically just a >stimulation in the present time of past bad and heavy incidents, which >the body or the person is afraid it would happen again. > >One solution for this is, to find out in ones past or in the bodys past >incidents, which where heavy and connected with pain and fear and >discharge them mentally, and then your energy should come back. >Very often the big pain comes from the inabilty of the person to really >reenter his body and take again full control of him and so is somehow >stuck outside the body. What do you mean? Do you think that a part of my astral body has remained out of my physical body or what? Do you refer to a mental condition in which we can see a partial separation from reality ? You and Richard Probst give me the same advice to do physical activities; I'll do it. Thanks! MOKA ###### From: Aura Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:28:55 -0500 Organization: Blilly Lines: 39 Message-ID: <376D7937.8AE8D5B5@mailhub-2.spirit-lake.k12.ia.us> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> Reply-To: billy@blen.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-in112.spirit-lake.k12.ia.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail Richard Probst wrote: > I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have > experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. > > On the negative side, I'm experiencing physical weakness. When I first > started about two years ago, I would be so weak that I couldn't walk > down a flight of stairs (and I'm in my twenties and in good health). > However, that has improved quite a bit since then. There's also been > problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have > also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard > about what day it is. I often feel like I'm not completely here, if > that makes sense. > > OK, enough complaining. On the plus side, my dream recall has increased > dramatically. I used to be the kind of person that would remember two > or three dreams a year. Now, I remember two or three A DAY! This alone > has amazed me to no end. Dreams are also much more vivid; I somehow > seem more conscious of my physical life in them. I have better creative > abilities, too. Complex problems are easier for me to tackle. > > I'm not a hundred percent sure that these symptoms are a result of > OBE's, but the coincidence seems too much. They started immediately > after I began projecting. But, I find that doing something physical, > like going for a walk or jog, helps quite a bit. I don't feel afraid to > try OBE's as a result of these problems. Like I said earlier, things > are getting better, and the good side-effects outweigh the bad. I have had these exact same things happen to me. The lose of concentration and just feeling drained of energy a lot of the time. I also have the same greatly increased dream recall. I run 3-7 miles a day, and haven't noticed that it helps at all. Whatever you are doing wrong, I must be doing the same thing. -Joe Demonte ###### Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <7kee9a$ng8$1@news.flashnet.it> From: dromero@roanoke.infi.net (Douglas J. Romero, MD) X-Newsreader: Ink Spot 1.20 for Newton Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.42.39.249 X-Trace: typ21b.nn.bcandid.com 930285301 196.42.39.249 (Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:35:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:35:01 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:35:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ21b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail In message <7kee9a$ng8$1@news.flashnet.it>, "MOKA" wrote: > > Hi Richard. > > >I think that's very interesting that you brought that up. I myself have > >experienced physical changes as a result of my OBE's. > >There's also been > >problems with my ability to concentrate and to remember things. I have > >also lost much of my sense of time, and I often have to think very hard > >about what day it is. > > > It's the same for me! > > > >On the plus side, my dream recall has increased > >dramatically. I used to be the kind of person that would remember two > >or three dreams a year. Now, I remember two or three A DAY! This alone > >has amazed me to no end. Dreams are also much more vivid; I somehow > >seem more conscious of my physical life in them... > > > The strange thing is that my dreams are much more vivid and so I can notice > all the incongruences into them; I often say in my dreams : This is really > impossible!! This was enough to become lucid 5 months ago but now it is > impossible 'couse I continue to perceive me as in the real life and not in a > dream. > > MOKA. > > Maybe you should take a break. See if it helps. -- Douglas J. Romero, MD University of Virginia Salem-Roanoke Psychiatry Program ###### From: "MOKA" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:27:08 +0200 Organization: Customer of Flashnet S.p.A. - http://www.flashnet.it Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7l32l0$ll5$1@news.flashnet.it> References: <7kee9a$ng8$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip142.pool-310.flashnet.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 930418144 22181 195.191.80.142 (26 Jun 1999 17:29:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 1999 17:29:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!not-for-mail Douglas J. Romero, MD ha scritto nel messaggio ... >In message <7kee9a$ng8$1@news.flashnet.it>, "MOKA" >Maybe you should take a break. See if it helps. > >-- >Douglas J. Romero, MD >University of Virginia >Salem-Roanoke Psychiatry Program > A break in my life? MOKA ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:04:50 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376AA795.7784EAEB@mni.fh-giessen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby23.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!bignews.mediaways.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:09:57 +0200, hg7491 wrote: >I strongly recommend to stop all things that have to do with oobe, meditation >etc. >(at least for a while) >I hope that helps you a bit further. >Norbert Good advice. Smart of you to recognise that other things, such as meditation, can produce exactly the same situation. For exactly the same reasons. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:04:52 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9Rp2NxxXwqs=VaiRCOH0Hsc5BJM@4ax.com> References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376ABD40.744A49BC@pop.agri.ch> <7kge3t$3s6$1@news.flashnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby23.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:46:20 +0200, "MOKA" wrote: >Ricardo Ragaz wrote in his message <376ABD40.744A49BC@pop.agri.ch>... >> inabilty of the person to really >>reenter his body and take again full control of him and so is somehow >>stuck outside the body. >What do you mean? Do you think that a part of my astral body has remained >out of my physical body or what? That is quite a common situation and one of the major reasons for "psychic (energy) draining". < snip > >You and Richard Probst give me the same advice to do physical activities; >I'll do it. That should help, but there are other things that can help as well. After setting up psychic protection you can concentrate on radiating light outwards from your physical centre. This helps dissolve/clear energies/entities that may be blocking your total (appropriate) return. At the same time you can ask for assistance from your spirit guides of the light to get better psychic/physical alignment. Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/ ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Health problems and OBE !! Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:04:54 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <7kbloj$1nv$1@news.flashnet.it> <376D7937.8AE8D5B5@mailhub-2.spirit-lake.k12.ia.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby23.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:28:55 -0500, Aura wrote: Hi Joe, < snip > >I have had these exact same things happen to me. The lose of concentration >and just feeling drained of energy a lot of the time. I also have the same >greatly increased dream recall. I run 3-7 miles a day, and haven't noticed >that it helps at all. 3-7 miles a day ? That is probably your problem. The distance/ regularity. People who run regularly, and/or a reasonable distance, tend to put very little "conscious" effort into what they are doing. They can go into "automatic" and in fact be daydreaming while running. A (lack of) focus ! It isn't a case of needing to do something "physical" to become more earthed. It is a case of having an increased focus on the physical activity/world. Do something "physical" that you are inexperienced/bad at. Then you will need to (physically) concentrate on your physical activity. :-) Regards, John. **************************************************** ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia. / Oz \ johnf@melbpc.org.au, Fidonet 3:632/309 \_,--.x/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/welcome.htm v http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/