From: "Jake Clayton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:05:23 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.46.12.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 929484195 203.46.12.118 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:03:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:03:15 EST Organization: Customer of Telstra Big Pond Direct Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail I don't believe that OBE's are real. I have been trying for many months now but still have no luck. Could someone either tell me if they are real or not and if they are real. How do you do it? I want maximum detail in how you do it and how you know if your doing it. Please. Let me be an astral surfer too. From Jake ###### From: markspam@networktel.net.spam (mark) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Message-ID: References: Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:49:03 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.245.27.82 X-Trace: news1.atlantic.net 929501366 208.245.27.82 (Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:49:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:49:26 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news1.atlantic.net!ahoy.pen.net!user I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... In article , "Jake Clayton" wrote: > I don't believe that OBE's are real. That... Is why you fail. > I have been trying for many months now but still have no luck. Could someone > either tell me if they are real or not and if they are real. How do you do > it? I want maximum detail in how you do it and how you know if your doing > it. Please. Let me be an astral surfer too. > From Jake Take out the second spam only. ###### From: "Bart" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:47:14 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7k73cl$4u1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: clv-oh42-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 15 9:49:57 PM CDT 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news Jake Clayton wrote in message ... >I don't believe that OBE's are real. >I have been trying for many months now but still have no luck. Could someone >either tell me if they are real or not and if they are real. How do you do >it? I want maximum detail in how you do it and how you know if your doing >it. Please. Let me be an astral surfer too. >From Jake I'm sorry I don't have enough time to write a book for you right now. I can only offer the following: OBE deals with many many many states of consciousness. Every one of them are real - but they don't necessarily match with other states in accordance with the state that one normally dwells in. The physical is only one state - it is not real in accordance with other states - just as many nonphysical states will not match with the physical. So... stepping out of your body is hardly what you would expect it to be like - because you are not in the physical anymore. A voluntarily induced OBE includes all your emotions, personal pride, and mental patterns all mixed together. This is some pretty hefty stuff to weed through when not being filtered by the physical. Is it real? Of course it is real because it is an experience of consciousness. Does it compare to the physical? That would depend on how much discipline you have over your being in order to see things as they really are. Bart ###### From: "Ol' Bab" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:14:16 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.2.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rochester.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 929546142 24.93.2.216 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:15:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:15:42 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Rochester NY Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Just to chime in a slightly different angle: Successful OBEers are said by Sylvia Browne's spirit guide to be people who "majored" in this training before their current incarnation. Without this prior training, I gather, you haven't a hope. On the other hand, your intensity of interest may indicate that you have had the training, (maybe not enough?) Maybe it takes several cycles.... Ol' Bab Jake Clayton wrote in message ... >I don't believe that OBE's are real. >I have been trying for many months now but still have no luck. Could someone >either tell me if they are real or not and if they are real. How do you do >it? I want maximum detail in how you do it and how you know if your doing >it. Please. Let me be an astral surfer too. >From Jake > > ###### From: gallianoj@aol.com (GALLIANOJ) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1999 14:47:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990616104700.25280.00000135@ng-cm1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail > >I don't believe that OBE's are real. >I have been trying for many months now but still have no luck. Could someone >either tell me if they are real or not and if they are real. How do you do >it? I want maximum detail in how you do it and how you know if your doing >it. Please. Let me be an astral surfer too. >From Jake Hi Jake, OBE's are real. But it is very difficult to just begin by OBing. Out of Body is a state of awareness either aquired by practice and meditation or inspired by a profound awakening or epiphany. One must begin at the beginning. How are you at 'dream recall'? This is my suggestion...get good at remembering what dreams you do have. Be religious about it. Clear and Bless your sleep space by whatever means you believe (some people burn sage or incense, pray or encircle their area with an mental image of light...some simply ask the spiritual guardains to watch over them). Ask the Universe for dreams, specifically that will tell you where you need to begin. Record your dreams as if they were all profound messages for your inner source. Attempt to interpret them. When you have sufficiently raised you awareness to remember your night dreams then begin exercises that will cause you to become conscious within your dreams...(like Castanada's looking for his hands in his dreams). Check out the book 'Conscious Dreaming' by Robert Moss, lots of good practices and shared experiences in there. One step at a time. OBE is a state of Astral Awareness...We are like children in the astral zones, that is why we need guides and guardians. One wouldnt expect a child to walk and talk from the womb. There are stages of growth. Other senses required (and aquired) during the process of learning to dream and to raise your awareness enough to percieve an OB while it is happening. It is like raising your very frequency ... to see with 'cat eyes' and to listen with 'dog ears' ... I am certain that we leave our bodies all the time, at most every level of dreaming. The tricks are; remembering it, catching it while it is happening..or learning how to set up the circumstances that could possibly induce OBE. good luck, jean ###### From: "Sue Allen" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:30:05 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.190.18.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@alpha.net X-Trace: homer.alpha.net 929563809 206.190.18.249 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:10:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:10:09 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail I'm still laughing over this one!! Sue mark wrote in message ... >I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... > wrote: > >> I don't believe that OBE's are real. > >That... Is why you fail. > ###### From: "rbwalton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:10:26 -0700 Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.221.218 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.221.218 Message-ID: <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net> X-Trace: 17 Jun 1999 02:10:52 -0700, 209.239.221.218 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.tvd.be!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.239.221.218 Sue Allen wrote in message news:BwT93.150$WH3.68632@homer.alpha.net... > I'm still laughing over this one!! > > Sue > > > mark wrote in message ... > >I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... > > > wrote: > > > >> I don't believe that OBE's are real. > > > > >That... Is why you fail. > > > It seems I have heard that advice from a certain Jedi master. . . "But Joda, I can't lift that huge ship out of the swamp. . . " "that is why you fail" . As much as this sounds like hollywood advice, it may be true. If you do not believe you can do it, or you think this is not real, then you will fail. I had no choice but to believe it when it started happening to me. I tried for years to believe it was not really happening, or that the things I saw were not real. I can say that they have just as much reality as my perceptions as I sit here typing this. It is not the same perception, but it is just as real to me. -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com ###### From: "Lee W" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <9xT93.11146$To2.220833@nnrp3.clara.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:10:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.92.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 929563845 195.8.92.172 (Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:10:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:10:45 BST Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Hi Jake, Ive been trying for nearly a year now but no success. I have had more Lucid Dreams and vivid dreams so its not been all bad. Be patient, it takes longer for some people than others. If they arent real it must be a conspiracy by thousands of people. They cant all be lying :) -- Remember, to fly is not to walk, and to walk is not to fly Regards, Lee. ###### From: "d" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net> Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 73 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:10:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.245.24.87 X-Trace: news1.atlantic.net 929668312 208.245.24.87 (Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:11:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:11:52 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news1.atlantic.net!not-for-mail heh. I couldn't stop myself. It was from right after Yoda "lifted" the ship out of the swamp. Luke was amazed and said, "I don't believe it." Yoda: "That is why you fail" Anyway, i'm glad nobody took offense or anything. I'm not really one to talk, as I haven't successfully OBE'd yet. I'm pretty sure I'm getting close. I do believe it can be done, and have acheived the vibrational state a couple of times... The most significant one was when I became lucid during the first several seconds of a dream, and just laid down on the floor of "where I was" and went into the vibrational state. I was sooo close, but I had my hands resting on my hip bones, and that seemed to keep me down. Does that make ANY sense? I think fear/excitement had something to do with it too, but I'm just not sure. At the very least, I'm remembering my dreams almost every night. So I think I'm makeing progress. :) rbwalton wrote in message <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net>... > >Sue Allen wrote in message >news:BwT93.150$WH3.68632@homer.alpha.net... >> I'm still laughing over this one!! >> >> Sue >> >> >> mark wrote in message ... >> >I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I don't believe that OBE's are real. >> > >> >> >That... Is why you fail. >> > >> > > >It seems I have heard that advice from a certain Jedi master. . . >"But Joda, I can't lift that huge ship out of the swamp. . . " > >"that is why you fail" . > >As much as this sounds like hollywood advice, it may be true. If you do not >believe you can do it, or you think this is not real, then you will fail. > >I had no choice but to believe it when it started happening to me. I tried >for years to believe it was not really happening, or that the things I saw >were not real. I can say that they have just as much reality as my >perceptions as I sit here typing this. It is not the same perception, but >it is just as real to me. > > >-- >RBWalton > >Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . >www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ > >Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ >To respond, delete #nospam# >rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com > > > > > > > ###### From: "d" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net> Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <07ha3.116$df5.70070@news1.atlantic.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:17:23 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.245.24.87 X-Trace: news1.atlantic.net 929668668 208.245.24.87 (Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:17:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:17:48 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news1.atlantic.net!not-for-mail One more thing... I have been reading a bit more lately and am seeing that people seem to think that relying on the vibrational state is more difficult... William Buhlman's Adventures Beyond the Body is the only book I've read so far, and it seems to talk heavily about it... Would I as a beginner havve more luck with Robert Bruce's treatise on Astral Projection? Thanks, mark rbwalton wrote in message <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net>... > >Sue Allen wrote in message >news:BwT93.150$WH3.68632@homer.alpha.net... >> I'm still laughing over this one!! >> >> Sue >> >> >> mark wrote in message ... >> >I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I don't believe that OBE's are real. >> > >> >> >That... Is why you fail. >> > >> > > >It seems I have heard that advice from a certain Jedi master. . . >"But Joda, I can't lift that huge ship out of the swamp. . . " > >"that is why you fail" . > >As much as this sounds like hollywood advice, it may be true. If you do not >believe you can do it, or you think this is not real, then you will fail. > >I had no choice but to believe it when it started happening to me. I tried >for years to believe it was not really happening, or that the things I saw >were not real. I can say that they have just as much reality as my >perceptions as I sit here typing this. It is not the same perception, but >it is just as real to me. > > >-- >RBWalton > >Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . >www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ > >Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ >To respond, delete #nospam# >rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com > > > > > > > ###### From: spicyjem@aol.comnospam (Jeff Mash) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:58:16 GMT References: <07ha3.116$df5.70070@news1.atlantic.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990618125816.25149.00000705@ng-ff1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >One more thing... I have been reading a bit more lately and am seeing that >people seem to think that relying on the vibrational state is more >difficult... William Buhlman's >Adventures Beyond the Body is the only book I've read so far, and it seems >to talk heavily about it... Hi there, There are many people who feel that they have to feel these vibrations before they have an OBE. This is not always the case, so it is best if you don't be so concerned with them. One of the main reasons why many people bring them up is that they want you to be prepared IN CASE it does happen. It can be very shocking if you are not prepared. But this doesn't mean that it will happen all the time. For example, I almost never feel any of these voilent vibrations. When I am about to go OBE, I just feel my body expand, and a pressure shift in my head. > Would I as a beginner havve more luck with >Robert Bruce's treatise on Astral Projection? As a beginner, I would look into any OBE source, including Bruce, Monroe, and Peterson. The more you read up on the subject, the more you will be focused on having an OBE. One of the greatest techniques to help induce an OBE is to have a strong desire and intent! Keep smiling! <3 Jeff Mash <3 To email me, remove the "nospam" in the address. Need a laugh? Go to http://www.vertigy.com/jokemail "There's nothing to fear except fear itself...Oh...plus rejection and physical harm!" ###### From: "raptor" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net> <07ha3.116$df5.70070@news1.atlantic.net> Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? Lines: 82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:26:25 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.166.164 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 930029139 206.170.166.164 (Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:25:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:25:39 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail I also read William Buhlman's book and I'm reading again for the second time. I've not had a full blown OOBE but I've experienced the vibrational state after reading half of his book. I heard a rushing sound which jarred me back into my normal state of consciousness twice. It was astounding to experience this and frustrating that I wasn't brave enough to let it happen. I also experience sleep paralysis many times throughout my life and I'm trying to use this to achieve an OOBE state. I welcome comments. Take care. Vince d wrote in message news:07ha3.116$df5.70070@news1.atlantic.net... > One more thing... I have been reading a bit more lately and am seeing that > people seem to think that relying on the vibrational state is more > difficult... William Buhlman's > Adventures Beyond the Body is the only book I've read so far, and it seems > to talk heavily about it... Would I as a beginner havve more luck with > Robert Bruce's treatise on Astral Projection? > > Thanks, > > mark > rbwalton wrote in message <3768bb9c@news1.jps.net>... > > > >Sue Allen wrote in message > >news:BwT93.150$WH3.68632@homer.alpha.net... > >> I'm still laughing over this one!! > >> > >> Sue > >> > >> > >> mark wrote in message ... > >> >I'm sorry, but i just have to say it... > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> I don't believe that OBE's are real. > >> > > >> > >> >That... Is why you fail. > >> > > >> > > > > > >It seems I have heard that advice from a certain Jedi master. . . > >"But Joda, I can't lift that huge ship out of the swamp. . . " > > > >"that is why you fail" . > > > >As much as this sounds like hollywood advice, it may be true. If you do > not > >believe you can do it, or you think this is not real, then you will fail. > > > >I had no choice but to believe it when it started happening to me. I tried > >for years to believe it was not really happening, or that the things I saw > >were not real. I can say that they have just as much reality as my > >perceptions as I sit here typing this. It is not the same perception, but > >it is just as real to me. > > > > > >-- > >RBWalton > > > >Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . > >www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ > > > >Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home > >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ > >To respond, delete #nospam# > >rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ###### Message-ID: <37740659.1F52AA18@best.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:44:41 -0700 From: Neil Godbole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: OBE'S Are real???? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.13.28.229 X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 930350704 214 198.13.28.229 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!do.de.uu.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail Ol' Bab wrote: > Just to chime in a slightly different angle: Successful OBEers are said by > Sylvia Browne's spirit guide to be people who "majored" in this training > before their current incarnation. Without this prior training, I gather, you > haven't a hope. On the other hand, your intensity of interest may indicate > that you have had the training, (maybe not enough?) Maybe it takes several > cycles.... Of course there is no way to qualify that claim, but I have noticed that certain people are just more drawn to having projections then others. For me, I "led" myself to a lucid dreaming book one random day, and for some reason, found it extremely interesting and exciting. From then on, my life has changed. If you really want to have an OOBE and can't and are frustrated, try a) writing down ALL your dreamsd you may remember. Do this until you can remember a fair amount every night (more than 1). Practice playing with hypnagogia, that state just before losing awareness, right before what sleep "experts" call your first 90 minute delta cycle. If you feel yourself falling asleep, raise yourself back out of it. Keep nodding in and out and eventually, if you desire an OOBE, you may reach that state of awarenss coupled with total relaxtion, that allows conscious projection. I personally think that our 90 min cycle of delta sleep at the beginning of our sleep cycle is when our body naturally projects for the first time in the night (usually). If we can coax our subconscious into taking "us" along for the ride, we will have a fully conscious OOBE. -neil