From: "Compaq" Subject: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:20:44 +0100 Lines: 11 Organization: Compaq X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.46.180.32!cpmsnbbsa04!cpmsnbbsa05 Can anyone advise me how to meet dead friends/relatives when having oobe's. I have tried shouting the names and shooting up higher into the other realms but all I see is the 'beings' of that particular plane. Is there a way ? Thanks ###### From: "rbwalton" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body References: Subject: Re: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:27:04 -0700 Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.137 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.46.137 Message-ID: <375f816e@news1.jps.net> X-Trace: 10 Jun 1999 02:12:14 -0700, 209.142.46.137 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!news-west.eli.net!news1.jps.net!209.142.46.137 Compaq wrote in message news:OoiHxbss#GA.259@cpmsnbbsa05... > Can anyone advise me how to meet dead friends/relatives when having oobe's. > I have tried shouting the names and shooting up higher into the other realms > but all I see is the 'beings' of that particular plane. > > Is there a way ? > > Thanks > > > On my only few experiences with this, it was the deceased who contacted me. In two cases it was within a few weeks of passing. In the third, it was after 3 years or so. In each event, the experience was confirming to me that they were fine where they now were. I might put in the suggestion that the reason you are not finding them is that they might have moved on to what they now need to do. IMO your trying to contact them may be disrupting what they now need to focus on. If contact is to be made, it would be better to let them do it on their terms, and in the time frame that they require. I will see you out there. . -- RBWalton Visit this web page for some useful OOB links. . . www.angelfire.com/ca/onestepbeyond/ Join the search for Intelligent Life in the Universe at home http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To respond, delete #nospam# rbwalton@#nospam#bigfoot.com ###### From: "Robert Moss" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:13:28 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7jn08e$btk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.167.94 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928973902 12212 12.79.167.94 (10 Jun 1999 00:18:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:18:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail This is a very important question. For starters, I think it's helpful to frame your intention as clearly as possible. In my workshops, when we embark on conscious dream journeys to meet the departed, we generally formulate a twofold intention (1) to have timely and helpful communcation, IF APPROPRIATE and (2) to visit the departed on the levels of reality they now inhabit. Our departed are sometimes "unavailable" because they are fully engaged in new activities - or have moved on to a new dimension (perhaps a new life experience). Sometimes they are encountering transitional difficulties and may need help from us to find the right path. I think you know already that they are not "dead" except in the sense that they no longer have physical bodies. (We, the living, are spirits that have bodies...) You'll find guidance on all of this in Part 3 of my book "Dreamgates", and details of my Death workshops at my website, www.mossdreams.com All good dreams Robert Compaq wrote in message ... >Can anyone advise me how to meet dead friends/relatives when having oobe's. >I have tried shouting the names and shooting up higher into the other realms >but all I see is the 'beings' of that particular plane. > >Is there a way ? > >Thanks > > > > ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:22:50 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <7jn08e$btk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby16.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!blackbush.xlink.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:13:28 -0400, "Robert Moss" wrote: < snip > >generally formulate a >twofold intention (1) to have timely and helpful communcation, IF >APPROPRIATE Yes, nice to see you say that. The way I generally express this with my students is to use the words "If it is for my/their highest spiritual good." Sometimes thinking about deceased friends etc. draws them back to the physical and slows down their progression. >and (2) to visit the departed on the levels of reality they now >inhabit. I would suggest using the words "highest *appropriate* plane." The friend may have moved to a higher plane than the physical person is comfortable visiting. Sometimes a discarnate needs to lower their vibrations so that they are dimensionally closer. Kind of like meeting someone half way. >Our departed are sometimes "unavailable" because they are fully engaged in >new activities - or have moved on to a new dimension (perhaps a new life >experience). Yes, an incarnation, not necessarily back on earth. >Sometimes they are encountering transitional difficulties and >may need help from us to find the right path. < snip > Yes, another very important point you make. Love/light/healing to the discarnate person is best, for a while, before making any attempt to contact them IMO. Regards, John. ###### From: Claire Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:49:22 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <929227762.679.74@news.remarQ.com> References: <7jn08e$btk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.85.229.10 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:49:22 GMT X-Trace: 929227762.679.74 XYIU5UYJDE50AC655C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: >On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:13:28 -0400, "Robert Moss" > wrote: > >>and (2) to visit the departed on the levels of reality they now >>inhabit. > >I would suggest using the words "highest *appropriate* plane." The >friend may have moved to a higher plane than the physical person is >comfortable visiting. Sometimes a discarnate needs to lower their >vibrations so that they are dimensionally closer. Kind of like meeting >someone half way. > I recently read in a book on Soul Rescue that there are fewer and fewer deep trance mediums because the energies on earth are higher and people from other realities can meet us halfway now. I'm not sure what this means. Why is it beneficial to meet us halfway instead of just coming all the way back? I understand that for soul rescue a departing spirit may need a medium to get that last foot on earth experience, but when we are talking about people who are already over, why bother? How does OBE tie into this discussion? There seems to be a link with the deep trance medium, but I'm not sure what the difference is between a deep trance medium and a telepathic medium. Why bother with an intermediary if you can just go OBE and meet them in the astral plane? Isn't it safer to leave your body and meet them than to have them enter a mediums body to talk to them? Claire ###### From: johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Meeting The Dead ? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:29:44 GMT Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia Lines: 91 Message-ID: References: <7jn08e$btk$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <929227762.679.74@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilby17.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.507 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news2.melbpc.org.au!not-for-mail On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:49:22 GMT, Claire wrote: >johnf@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote: >>On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:13:28 -0400, "Robert Moss" >> wrote: >>>and (2) to visit the departed on the levels of reality they now >>>inhabit. >>I would suggest using the words "highest *appropriate* plane." The >>friend may have moved to a higher plane than the physical person is >>comfortable visiting. Sometimes a discarnate needs to lower their >>vibrations so that they are dimensionally closer. Kind of like meeting >>someone half way. > I recently read in a book on Soul Rescue that there are fewer and >fewer deep trance mediums because the energies on earth are higher and >people from other realities can meet us halfway now. I'm not sure what >this means. I would expect that it means that the current earth energies are not as heavy (low) as they have been in the past. >Why is it beneficial to meet us halfway instead of just coming >all the way back? A huge benefit. Do you think clearly/positively when you are happy/joyous (high vibration) etc ? Or when feeling miserable/depressed (low vibration) ? Guides of the light want to pass on positive/constructive/healing ideas/thoughts etc. It is much easier for them to do this if they and the recipient are on higher levels (compared to the physical vibration). >I understand that for soul rescue a departing spirit may >need a medium to get that last foot on earth experience, but when we are >talking about people who are already over, why bother? I don't understand what your question is here. >How does OBE tie into this discussion? There is more positive benefit to people to OBE to higher planes. >There seems to be a link with the deep trance >medium, but I'm not sure what the difference is between a deep trance >medium and a telepathic medium. Whether one used a telepathic, or deep trance, medium depends on what one is trying to achieve. >Why bother with an intermediary if you can >just go OBE and meet them in the astral plane? Two of the major reasons are : (1) A trance medium can communicate with groups of people, many/all of whom may not have any conscious recall of their OOB discussions with their guides. (2) Even if one can go OOB it doesn't follow that one visits/knows how to visit higher planes. > Isn't it safer to leave >your body and meet them than to have them enter a mediums body to talk to >them? Are you talking about "guides" entering a medium's body or "earthbound" people doing so ? I have already mentioned the former. In the latter situation, if one is earthbound then it is much easier to avoid people (that are there to assist one) if one is NOT in a physical body. Some people spend years earthbound refusing to believe people who are OOB telling them that they are (physically) dead. Five minutes in a physical body can convince such a person that they are no longer physical (i.e. in "their" own body anymore). Particularly where a male is in a female medium's body and vica versa. 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